At the 2003 Super Bowl XXXVII in San Diego legendary attorney Johnnie Cochran joined Nestor on Radio Row to discuss the first year of the NFL Rooney Rule and where the league was headed in hiring minorities in positions of leadership.
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SPEAKERS
Johnnie Cochran, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:00
Welcome back Budweiser sports forum live on a Wednesday weโre in San Diego itโs all brought to you by our friends at Toyota Convention Center beautiful outside cruddy inside I wish our outside next Superbowl weโre going to do this from the veranda here in the Embarcadero. But fortunately for us, lots of guests lots of press releases Winslow moon to join Cochran and Cyrus Mehri at press briefing in San Diego. Weโre now joined by legendary attorney and if I ever get into trouble for anything that I do here with the FCC or otherwise, I will be hiring Johnnie Cochran Jr. Cyrus Mehri partner also here to discuss the state of Minaya minority hiring in the NFL. Let me first start by saying that My dear friend, Marvin Lewis, broke through the barrier last week got the job in Cincinnati. I hate him for it because heโs in our division. Heโs probably going to want to beaten us a few times before itโs all over with. But we all know that there are some issues here. And I am Latino myself and I, you know, Iโve seen a little bit with the issues in the media or whatever. Iโm Venezuelan heritage. So you know, so my whole little, little close, little close to home. And I want to talk to you fellas about a Johnny welcome, Cyrus Welcome. How are you gentlemen?
Johnnie Cochran 01:03
Itโs great to meet you. And we salute and applaud Marvin Lewis, I think youโll do a great job there. I mean, I wish he could have gone to a team with a little better record, but I think he finally got a serious interview and got hired, and I think heโs gonna turn that franchise around. Well, I
Nestor Aparicio 01:16
think the one problem that weโre seeing right now is weโve had some coaches who have a little pigmentation in their skin whoโve been successful. Theyโve only been a couple of them. And you know, if it smells like, you know, it is in Danny on, you know, unbelievable track record, Minnesota have problems. Theyโre still not hired. Marvin was the last to get in the door. Thereโs some other qualified candidates that still havenโt gotten in the door. But Tony Dungy got a job right away. Thatโs great. But you know, I hate to to focus on it take any moment of my show to focus on the color of oneโs skin. But college football they like to three guys that got jobs willing and takes over Notre Dame turns the program around right away. Itโs all going to open doors just like 20 years ago, 17 years ago, Doug Williams opened some doors right here in San Diego with the Super Bowl.
Johnnie Cochran 02:04
Yeah, and I happen to be at that game and it was a great thing for the quarterback and then for so long the NFL had these skill positions where they didnโt think people of color could really performing them, you know, then you middle linebacker quarterback center.
Nestor Aparicio 02:15
Well, Harris is our you know, as my guy and ball, and Shaq had to deal with all that stuff coming
Johnnie Cochran 02:21
in the Rams he played for the Rams? Sure him. Yeah, heโs amazing. But we think that thereโs been some progress, not nearly enough. But we I think we calling attention to it. I think the NFL has been fairly responsive. Thereโs a new process than did Mr. Rooneyโs committee came up with if they follow that process, I think you see a Marvin Lewis hired. But in Jacksonville, they didnโt follow the process. In Dallas, when they hired Parcells. They didnโt really follow the process. And weโre hoping that San Francisco will follow the process. Thatโs the future of the league. We think they follow the process. Sorry.
02:49
Yeah, the key is that weโd like to see that each owner strongly has agreed or strongly agreed to interview at least one minority candidate. But the key is how that gets carried out. We saw in Jacksonville is really that dichotomy between the good old boy system and the fair competition principles weโve been advocating, because just this past week, you can compare what happened with Cincinnati, they interviewed five candidates, they interviewed two minority candidates. Marvin Lewis emerged as a front runner, they brought in Mike Mularkey to give him another chance to interview and Mark Marvin Lewis prevailed down in Jacksonville, the Wayne Weaver went from looking for an offensive coach with a head coaching experience to saying Iโm gonna look at a defensive coordinator. He flew down to the Senior Bowl where all the coaches were but only interviewed one Jack Del Rio he never interviewed Ted controlling never youโd love he Smith. He didnโt have a level playing field. How do they how do the fans of Jacksonville, all the players in Jacksonville know the best man was chosen? When they when the owner went in with blinders on
Nestor Aparicio 03:41
by like, they call me nasty? Itโs not because I gave him a rough time. Itโs because I asked the tough questions in it. And, you know, if they if they want to hire someone, whatโs the difference between giving lip service if Iโm weighing Weaver? Yeah, Iโll interview a black guy, Iโll bring him down. We know weโre not gonna hire. I think New England did that with Marvin Lewis. Matter of fact, I think buffalo did that with Marvin Lewis. And to me thatโs, thatโs as embarrassing as it is not hiring someone, if youโve clearly youโre wasting someoneโs time by interviewing them, just to say we interviewed a guy of color. So we had a level playing field, even if itโs not, if itโs if they want to hire white guy, theyโre going to no matter how much you guys kick and scream, or have a press conference, John.
Johnnie Cochran 04:19
And I think that, you know, I think that there is some merit to what youโre saying. But we we donโt happen to believe that these people are these owners are sham artists. I think thereโs a lot of concern, these interviews will be just plain Sham, Mike Brown, they didnโt have any blacks in that organization at all. But they got they went through this process. He got an interview, he competed. And I got to believe that then given the history of Cincinnati, and that franchise, that he was the best guy and he emerged and thatโs different than all the other times and youโre right, a guy could go through a sham and I would hope that we wonโt have that if they if that happens. And we see that you know, thereโs always thereโs always a possibility litigation is nasty. That is a possibility. And I donโt think they want that you know, and I think it is a possibility clear
Nestor Aparicio 05:00
We in Baltimore know about the NFL in litigation because we love football team for 13 years. And, you know, we donโt want to go through that either. Kellen Winslow is one of the guys that is in line with you with this. And I remember when his his boy was gonna go to college, he made no bones about it, his boy, he wanted his boy to go to college where a coach had pigmentation in his skin. And I, I thought that was kind of sad. But I thought at the end of that is sort of the examiner and I said, Well, thereโs only two or three guys, maybe heโs just making a point here, and maybe as a guy who has the profile to make such a point. And letโs be honest, this league is 80% upwards of African Americans in this league. And at some point you got to stand up and say, whatโs going on just smells funny. And even if youโre going to put a face on to something here that seems like itโs fair and I all I want is fair.
Johnnie Cochran 05:45
So we talked about it being fair, and you gotta be judged by your abilities and your ability to carry as far as they should go and not you shouldnโt be held back by some artificial glass ceiling because youโre not part of the old boys club. Thatโs what weโre saying
Nestor Aparicio 05:57
with you guys. What are you hoping to have happen youโre because the Wayne Weaver thing is done that the milk has been spilled the the power cells thing, and I donโt think anybody if you want to question Sherry, and thereโs a process and so he hired the best candidate in Bill Parcells. But right now to my eyes, the best candidate out there is Danny green, and he hasnโt gotten that crack yet. And use look at the track record. Look it up. Thatโs all you need to do. Right? And you can see that that that thatโs there. What are you hoping to accomplish by bringing attention not only on my radio show, youโre doing a radio circuit here and at a press conference, Iโm sure youโll be on SportsCenter and all that stuff. What are you hoping to accomplish beyond awareness is any everybody in the NFL weโre aware, we kind of look at the sidelines and see why you look at a field see black,
Johnnie Cochran 06:37
we think that as the we approach the Superbowl, this is a real critical time that Mr. Tagliabue will be speaking to the state of the NFL on Friday, we hoping that he will address these issues and the progress theyโve made, or the lack of progress has been made, and the future of the League. He starts at the top. If he endorses his as he has endorsed these changes, itโs going to make a big difference. And I think itโs important, what can
Nestor Aparicio 06:59
the players do? And how much do you lobby the players to try to step up because I mean, individually nothing together just like winning the Super Bowl, the the African American players in this league could create some change by simply coming to the forefront on this issue.
07:16
What youโre gonna see in Cincinnati are players are going to respond to Marvin Lewis because they know the battles he had to he had to wage and what struggles he overcame. To get to that position,
Nestor Aparicio 07:25
I saw a writer say that, that theyโre gonna play harder for black coach, and they will like, thatโs kind of sad. I mean, thatโs a thatโs a sad, negative,
07:32
but I donโt know, if itโs because of black and white, they know that the best person emerged in that city, you can say that in Jacksonville, you canโt say that when the owner had blinders on, had a narrow focus didnโt have a broad vision, when he went down to seem to the Senior Bowl, how are the players gonna know the best guy was chosen?
Johnnie Cochran 07:49
I think youโre gonna see guys, though, I think really, you are going to see guys who really will give her all because of the history of a Marvin Lewis and what heโs gone through, you know what a good guy is. And he Plus, heโs gonna have a great defense there. And when it all starts with the defense, we clearly so weโre going to see what happens. And we hope that the league will endorse what weโre trying to do here, as they have thus far and put some teeth in the product and the whole process and make it work.
Nestor Aparicio 08:09
Youโd rather see this be a friendly thing than an acrimonious thing we certainly would have.
08:14
Absolutely and one thing weโre going to call on today is for more diversity in the front officeโs and in the coordinator ranks particularly offensive coordinator by requiring that diverse candidates a right in your town is Shaq Harris, who is one of the top
Nestor Aparicio 08:27
people I got the test release. This morning. It either says heโs going out to Seattle, now heโs talking to Seattle,
08:32
right. And there are a number of top front office positions that are vacant right now. James Harris is the only minority candidate wherever heโs been interviewed. Letโs expand it. Letโs give a Harris a shot. Letโs give some other guys a shot. Letโs open the door. So thereโs fair competition. There are a lot of teams, Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs that donโt have theyโre totally lily white, they donโt have a person of color anywhere in a position of authority in the field. Right. What does that say when youโre in a city like Miami?
Nestor Aparicio 08:59
What does it say about college football, you know, youโre picking on the NFL or college football or 250 jobs, not 32. I mean, what college football has done to me is way more disgraceful than anything the NFL is done. When the NFL is legitimately I think trying to give it a go.
09:15
But the NFL is Americaโs game when they can show some leadership. The Rooney plan is a good solid plan, but it comes up to execution. Just like you can have a good game plan on Sunday but you donโt have good execution. Right now the execution has been mixed. Weโd like it to be robustly brought about and fully carried out by the owners and college said
Johnnie Cochran 09:33
get off the hook thatโs down the road. All right.
Nestor Aparicio 09:35
Well let you go man, I saw you on TV all during the OJ thing. Many people mentioned OJ every day of your life.
Johnnie Cochran 09:40
I hear it very often but not much of that is the first time today. No no one of the guys said something about it. You said he believed okay.
Nestor Aparicio 09:47
Everybody gets your 15 minutes I donโt answer youโll always be the OJ got
09:53
a lot more than Oj I want to
Nestor Aparicio 09:54
point this out Johnnie Cochran is wearing purple Thatโs a perfect thatโs the color of Aquarius. Thatโs the color of the Ravens. And we shall return you guys, Johnnie Cochran and Osiris Mayer. Thanks very much. Good luck with your press conference. Good luck with your issues over there. Give my best to Warren Moon and weโll step back take a break for 115 70 Back for more the Budweiser sportswear brought to you by Toyota Live from San Diego.