Ever since he saw them at the Baltimore Civic Center in February 1980, former music critic Nestor Aparicio has been chasing Styx around the country. JY has been a recurring character on his radio show for three decades. This one was a “mirror, mirror on the wall” segment. And the pic is from 1996 backstage at Merriweather Post Pavilion.
Nestor Aparicio reminisces about his long-standing fandom of Styx, recalling his first concert in 1980 and the band’s evolution over 33 years. He discusses the band’s sold-out Pier Six show and their longevity, noting their resilience through various musical eras and the departure of Dennis DeYoung. James Young (JY) reflects on the band’s success, their reunion in 1995, and the challenges of maintaining a five-member partnership. They also touch on the band’s live performances, the impact of “Renegade” at Steelers games, and the band’s relationship with REO Speedwagon. JY expresses admiration for the Ravens’ Super Bowl win and discusses the band’s future plans.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Styx concert, Pier Six, sold out, band history, reunion tour, live act, Dennis DeYoung, musical conflicts, fan expectations, nostalgia tour, Super Bowl performance, Ravens fans, Bears preview, White Sox, Blackhawks
SPEAKERS
James JY Young, Nestor Aparicio
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Nestor Aparicio 00:00
Mean, and I hope I have this potted up loud enough, and there it is. So we’ll have some fun with this. It is 9am you’re listening to w, N, S T, Towson, Baltimore, and I’ve had a I’ve had a long run with this band. Back on February 5, 1980 I attended my first real rock and roll concert I was 11. I told my mom I wanted to see the sticks band, but I always thought it should be spelled s, t, I, C, K, s, because that’s the way sticks was spelled when I was 11, and then I had to discover the river and the mysticism and the crystal ball and the pieces of eight. But it was cornerstone that was the cornerstone in 1980 and 33, years later, Styx is playing at Pier six tonight. I’d love to tell you tickets are readily available, but they’re not. It’s kind of like really sold out. And I’m sure there’ll be lots of boats in the harbor or boats on the river in this case. And I think I’ve done enough sticks ranting here to at least make JY laugh. I was introduced to JY through chips. Enough of enough’s enough. And I’ll give JY my my best chips enough impersonation as I bring him on too. That’s him singing. He’s not Miss America. He might be Mr. America. Hey, JY, how’s it going there, brother, what’s going on?
James JY Young 01:24
Hello, Brother,
Nestor Aparicio 01:25
what’s going on? How are you, man,
James JY Young 01:27
8I’m great. I’m absolutely great,
Nestor Aparicio 01:29
you know what? And I’m going to be really, really honest. I wasn’t going to call your band manager. I wasn’t going to call Terry, who does your PR. I was just going to let this thing go. I live about three blocks in the pier. I wasn’t going to hit you up for tickets. I wasn’t gonna bang you to get on the show. And then I realized I was filling in this morning, and you were in town today, and Terry hit me, and I’m like, because I like leaving you guys alone. I literally, I love you guys. You were the my first love, my first band, and I’ve taken so many pictures. I’ve seen you in 50 states. I bugged you for tickets. You don’t need to put up with me anymore, you know, and and here you are and getting out of bed and doing this Good morning. How are you?
James JY Young 02:07
I’m great. I absolutely great on
Nestor Aparicio 02:09
the road again. Wait, wait, you guys get a Toriel 90. I mean, did you really think back in 1980 when you’re playing the Baltimore Civic Center, that you would still be doing this 30 it wasn’t there. There was a thought that this had to end when you were 40, when you were 25 right? Well, I
8James JY Young 02:25
mean, who was saying in my generation, hope I die before I get old? And I think that, you know, we’ve seen all the, you know, the the apart from Elvis, you know, most of those bands and the Beatles day Park Five, kind of, kind of, you know, they all fell by the wayside when the psychedelic era came in. And then that all fell by the wayside. And and the classic rock fell by the wayside, really. In 1991 grunge came in. And 1994 1994 I thought this was, you know, that we had, that was all over for us. And then I see, you know, in 1995 we get the band back together and find a manager who says, you know, just make this, make this an event, and put Tickets on sale, and they will come. And indeed, they did come in 15, 20,000 people a night in 1996 for our reunion tour, we did a DVD of it, and we’ve been going out on the road every year since then, and it’s virtually impossible to get new music played, but the demand for us is a live act. It just continues to grow so it’s, it’s crazy good, not the same as it used to be, but nothing is. And unlike some of my NFL playing buddies, who you know that, you know you get to be. I mean, how Ray Lewis with 36 was he 37 when he finally called it quits? I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s a long run for a football player, but for me, in my early 60s, it’s pretty crazy good.
Nestor Aparicio 03:45
You know, I put a bunch of crazy pictures up on Facebook and Twitter over the last 15 hours, since I realized you were coming on the show. And I actually had to get out of bed this morning and do morning radio for Drew who’s golfing today. Good luck drew with your tournament. And you know, the minute I put stuff up, and I know you get this, and you may want to, you know, I ask questions to athletes who blow off questions. The first thing is, you know, where’s Dennis, which Dennis from the band, and I saw behind the music, and it’s been 20 years now, and I guess you’ll just get that forever. And I don’t know what the stock answer is, but I always think to myself, I started this radio station 15 years ago, and I’ve had the part ways with guys, and I still get emails about that, and I still get that on my Facebook page, and people don’t understand. I think it’s amazing, like, when I go see rush that those three guys still love each other and get along the way they do. Because I don’t have the same friends I had in high school. I don’t have the same friends I have when I was in my 20s, you know, and keeping businesses together and bands together and people together. I can’t think of anything harder than being in that, that marriage, and then I go watch the Eagles DVD and see everything that they’ve been through over 40 years and still making great music. It really is. I mean, it’s, it’s a tough spotlight to be in, and it’s a tough business. I would think, as you said, you thought you had five times it wasn’t going to happen. Been in your ear. You know, how do you deflect that? Or how do you even answer that? And I think Lawrence Gowan does such a great job in the band that I don’t want to say I forgot about Dennis, but I saw Dennis last year, and I see you this year, and it’s all good, and as long as everybody’s happy and playing the music and having a good time tonight, isn’t that what it’s really about? You know, I
James JY Young 05:17
look McCartney goes on, does his own thing, and Lennon and Harrison are not around, and Ringo is out with his own band at age 72 he’s in the best shape of his life. He’s he’s having a great old time out there. And he puts together great, you know, sort of all star bands that surround him. And they’re both happy. They’re both not dealing with the drama of of the band interactions, and you talked about marriage, how many two way marriages end in divorce? 50% so to keep a five way marriage together. I mean, the odds are far more difficult. And when I was a Mormon, not just kidding, the the you know, it’s Dennis. Dennis, the young and incredibly talented guy. We did some great work together. He and I were always we shared a love of sports and we shared a love of wanting to be successful, but our musical tastes were there was a middle ground where they sort of coincided to a point. But I think Dennis really sort of reworked himself to sort of resonate more with me, because I was more cutting edge guy when, when I joined up with these guys and and then he became more and more his mainstream self, and then pretty soon his, you know, musical theater side came out. And, you know, we just he’s he’s doing what he wants to do, and he really doesn’t want to do what we’re doing to the extent we’re doing it. So we’re doing 110, shows a year, and he’s out there on his own doing maybe 3040, shows a year. And I mean, if we were together, he might only be able to survive 70. So we’re doing twice as many shows with two sticks entities out there on the road, and we all still share in the record royalties, and we continue to sell the catalog stuff. And so, I mean, he’s happy, I presume, I’m sure he’d like to be back with us for a few bit, but we just got such a great thing going here, and we have, there’s a brand new chemistry, and it’s been almost 15 years, and I love my band mates, and Dennis hated being on the road, and we love being on the road. So it’s a matter of, this is where we’re at now, and I truly wish him well, but I don’t see any reunion in the future. I don’t see McCartney and Ringo getting night together. I don’t see Dennis and sticks getting met together. You
Nestor Aparicio 07:36
8know what’s funny is I went out to see, you know, Mick and Keith, and I paid my former $400 and went out to see the stones, you know, a couple three months ago. And you know, they’re even bringing guys back from 30 years ago to play songs, yeah. So, you know, I think, from a fans perspective, you want people to get along. And then there’s the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where, you know, David Lee Roth got back together with, you know, but I just really do find it amazing, don’t you? Don’t you have some appreciation for that relationship that you still have with the guys in the band, that it’s amazing. Because when I go see rush to think that those three guys have never broken it up, but you two now, you know, 35 years still the same guys, that is so unique, it’s so hard to do. And Aerosmith, right? Well, they put different guys in the band, Crespo and du fey were in the band for five years, and they had their their moments of, you know, the Toxic Twins and all that stuff, but it’s so hard. And I think that there’s an appreciation for relationships that the fans don’t really understand, you know, and I guess they they can’t, because everybody wants it the way it used
James JY Young 08:37
to be. It’s not their job or their duty to try and understand the dynamics of what it is to be in an artistic partnership. But because there was conflict, I think we wrote some great music collectively back and for you know, and recorded and produced some great records back in the 70s and early 80s. And it was because of the inner conflicts, or the conflicts between us in a way that I think the music was forced even to a higher level, and it might be otherwise, and but those, those were agonizing years in terms of trying to coexist.
Nestor Aparicio 09:11
You know, you talk about those years in the 70s and stuff. And I guess Springsteen would be another guy I could bring in, because when I went to see Springsteen three, four years ago, he went into that wave that you guys kind of started, in some ways, doing the whole album. You know, he was doing, Born to Run one night and, you know, and wild and innocent one night, you know, born to USA one night. You guys went and did the Grand Illusion of piece eight. I saw you at the theater down at the Hippodrome a couple years ago. Loved it. I’ve seen the DVD of it and all that stuff. But that whole nostalgia for doing those songs, watching you do those songs that I haven’t literally listened to since spinning literally the phonograph, you know, watch it drop the needle and pray, as Bruce Springsteen would sing it, to learn those songs again, must have been kind of fun for you.
James JY Young 09:58
It was, it was fun. On some levels, it was a heck of a lot of work on another level, but in in hindsight, I mean, it was, it was a great exercise for us to put ourselves through, and it actually made me a better guitar player, and it made this a better band. And it, you know, we actually, you know, dusted off some what turned out to be gems that music written 30 years ago, but seems perfectly timely today, and maybe even more so than it was then. So it’s been, it was a great thing to kind of freshen the live act up and just put a different spin on. And there’s a great DVD, which finally has been aired on Palladian VH, one classic here, and, you know, starting three, four months ago. So I
8Nestor Aparicio 10:40
would love to talk to you about these catalogs and put it together, because I’ve been to, you know, Fauci over 1000 concerts. I mean, you remember me from back in the music critic days and in the 80s and all that stuff. And I mean, God, I think I’ve seen you guys 40 or 50 times alone, let alone all the other bands that I love that I’ve seen so many times. But you know, as a fan, you pay the money, you come to the show, you want to hear the hits as an artist. And I think artists, and I’ve learned this when you were in your 40s and maybe early 50s, there was some, not just you, but bands in general, always wanted to get the new music out, because they were still writing music that they felt was relevant. The fans are like, you know, play Come sail away, you know, give me crystal ball. Give me the old stuff. And then I think now maybe over the last 10 years, when I go to see sting, it’s a greatest hit show. When I go to see the stones, it’s a greatest hit show because you’re paying top dollar, you’re out there, everybody’s waited weeks, months, years, driven, taking the night off, got the sitters, or the grand sitters, in some cases, some cases, they’re bringing the kids. Now, how compelled Do you feel to have to play a greatest hit show at this point in the how many people tonight will be seeing you for the first time? Probably not that many. But I love hearing the obscure stuff. But some fans just, you know, don’t bore us. Get to the course, right? Well, there’s,
James JY Young 11:54
there’s, there’s, you know, we start the show with with some very well known music. And then we, then we dig much deeper in the middle of the show. And then we ended up, you know, with, you know, five, you know, home run songs. And so we still, we still like to dig deep. And if there was new music, it would find its way in there. And eventually there’s going to be, but it, I mean, as you say, people want to come out and hear this soundtrack to their glorious, miss, bent youth. And there’s, there’s a lot of sticks music we don’t perform, but some people might want to hear like Babe and Mr. Roboto. Particularly, we don’t play the softer side and the quirky side kind of stay away. We’re, this is a hard rock and, you know, side of the band that’s going to be on stage with myself and Tommy shot tonight, along with the rest of them. And so people we I try to give them, we try to hit, you know, people want to hear Renegade and Come sail away, too much time on my hand. People
Nestor Aparicio 12:56
here do not want to hear Renegade. Stop, right? Let’s go into sports right now, I
James JY Young 13:01
8guess, I guess maybe in certain small pockets, renegade doesn’t want to be heard. But this is a pocket right here. Got another ring last year. I think that people could could leave before we play the last song. Okay,
Nestor Aparicio 13:14
so, so let’s, let’s get to this. Because the three things that I’ve been getting on my Facebook page when I put up these moldy, oldie pictures of you and I back when we were younger men, and is, you know, where’s Dennis? Love the band, you know, pick a song. I love a song, whatever. And it’s those bastards played red that they’re Steeler fans there. And I’m like, no, they’re actually Bears fans. And I don’t even know how the hell that happened, but I’ll tell you this, JY, and this is God’s on. I’m in that ravens locker room all the time and after, and we’ve beaten Pittsburgh up there a couple of times. The these 22 year old African American football players that listen to hip hop and Jay Z and you know when T PAIN whenever they’re listening to they don’t know who you are. They don’t know that song, but they know it now. And honestly, to the Ravens players that have been around. Terrell Suggs loves that song now, because it fires him up. You know, I mean, like, I’ve had several ravens guys say to me, we love hearing that up. He said, as much as the towels come out and they think it fires them up. If you’ve been a raven for 5678, years and you’ve walked off the field having lost playoff games up there. The Ravens players love that song. Now, the fans here hate it, but the Ravens players have, have, have, you know, they’ve, they’ve met their oppressor. But how did that thing happen up there? Because I don’t think you guys had anything to do with it. No,
James JY Young 14:38
honestly, I our manager, Charlie, who you’ve met, called me up one day and and said, there’s a playoff game, and I don’t know it was, this was back 10 years ago, and said, you know, the mother bleep and Steelers they just played, played renegade on the television broadcast. We heard it there, in hindsight. Children, and we were shocked, because no one, you know, No one warned us in advance that they were doing this. But, I mean, I like to think there was a buddy of mine who was a program director in Buffalo at rock station, and he moved down to Pittsburgh, and he was kind of in his at his peak. John McGann was his name and and he was at his peak. And so a
Nestor Aparicio 15:19
Bills fan is at the heart of this Steeler thing. Don’t tell me that. Well, I
8James JY Young 15:23
don’t know if, well, I mean, he was a sticks fan. And I the fact that he was born in Victor, New York, I suppose, made him
Nestor Aparicio 15:30
a bill fan. And it can’t be that bad if he was a six fan. He’s all right, you know? I
James JY Young 15:34
mean, he played, he played six music to death in 1978 we sold out two shows there back then, I think because we had a friend in the program director spot him, he just talked us up. And and Renegade, who, when I first started out, I could have guitar, guitar solos too long, but then it wound up there was like a battle of the band sting the rock radio station did back then. And Renegade, kind of, kind of one beat defeated everything for almost a month on that station. That just became a huge song there. And then it kind of faded away. And then 30 and then 30 years later, some guy at, you know, Heinz Field, decides to just put it up there. And then they got people fired up. And then the Steelers came back to win a game and and they haven’t used it ever since. And I know Charlie, our managers from Pittsburgh originally, and and he’s friends with the ownership over there, and they said there and they said there was, there was a movement afoot to try and change, change that song about five years ago. And they said, No, change that song. So
Nestor Aparicio 16:29
8we have that in Baltimore with, thank God I’m a country boy for Orio games. It started in 1979 and 34 years later. Thank God I’m a country boys played every single night in the seventh inning, and when they tried to take it away, because Angelo’s hated it like he hates everything that the Orioles fans wanted. The fans demanded it to come back, and it came back, and it’s, I mean, John Denver has been dead 15 years. They’re still playing it, and I think that’ll be played forever. I think you you’re good for life. I think the Steelers will play that song forever. Well,
James JY Young 16:54
it’s part of the fan experience. And you know, what are you gonna do? We had nothing. I mean, we made help make the song popular with with by creating that record and by having a dear friend, the program director. Siege is my is my judgment, how it became. So everybody in Pittsburgh knew the song. So when somebody put it up there, everyone recognized and kind of responded to it. But it was, it was definitely somebody that worked, you know, at Heinz Field for the Steelers, and decided to try it one night, and it just worked like gangbusters, and they come back to win. So it’s, it’s been, you know, just kind of took out a life of its own, that moment, to just only grown from
Nestor Aparicio 17:32
there. JY, I mean, you know, we’re friends. Do you have to really just go there and put a jersey on and sing? It’s, I mean, do you have to go that far, but they have to invite you in, and do you have to, like, be a special guest to the Steelers when you’re there? Hey, we
James JY Young 17:44
played. We the first time the Ravens won the Super Bowl, and Brandon Stokely got behind Jason seahorn and Dilfer threw the pass. Hold on.
8Nestor Aparicio 17:53
A minute. You’re getting excited. Stop, now. Stop now. You know, I just posted a picture up of that, and it’s funny, you would say that because of all these crazy things I’ve been through with you guys and how incredibly kind you’ve been to me, and I’ll go into that in a minute, but, and I’ll go into that right now and just say, you know, I camped out for concert tickets for you guys on the Kilroy tour. I begged my parents to get me tickets. I begged my step brother to drive me down to the Capitol center on the Paradise Theater tour when I was 13 to go to the shows and all that stuff. You guys have just been awesome people and great people to know. And it’s really neat when you know you sort of idolize people, when you get to know them and they turn out to be great people as well. So that’s my compliment for you. But that particular night before the Super Bowl, I came down the elevator, and I walked into the elevator at the Tampa Hyatt, and Tommy Shaw’s in the elevator. And I looked at him, and I’m like, What are you doing? He’s like, What are you doing? And I you know, and like, and I’m like, my team’s gonna win the Super Bowl tomorrow. He’s like, Yeah, I know we’re playing. And we took a picture, and I just put it up on Facebook a little while ago. And it’s so random that I would just bump into Tommy Shaw the night before the Ravens win the Super Bowl. And you guys were part of that, that that was a thrill for you. I remembered you guys thinking, when you get invited to do a Super Bowl now, you know, they’re bringing in, you know, Beyonce and whoever else. But, I mean, I love me some Tom Petty and some who, and some Bruce and at the you know, I guess Bon Jovi will do it at some point. But for you to get invited to Super Bowl that that’s about as big as it gets, right?
James JY Young 19:19
No, it was phenomenal for me, of the huge NFL fan that I am, to actually be down there, and, you know, be on the field at the Super Bowl, and be in the hotel just running into, you know, NFL Hall of Famer after NFL Hall of Famer as you’re walking through the halls in the lobby of the hotel, and and, and to go to Radio row where, I mean, you, you been San Diego Two years later, you sat me down with Don King. I mean, that’s, I haven’t
Nestor Aparicio 19:43
put that picture up yet. I’m way. I’m gonna put that one up. Mr. America and Miss America together. Is that great? Perfect, man. Well, we’ve, it’s been great. You know, I haven’t seen you in eight years because I haven’t bugged you guys because I’ve just, I’m trying to not bug you guys because I. Just, I feel like, you know, I don’t want to be that guy, but the last time I saw you, I was randomly in Chicago for a Ravens game. I took the press box elevator up to steal food. I had all my gear on because I was going to go sit in the rain, and the five of you were sitting in the press box in Chicago. And I’m like, the hell are you doing here? You’re like, we’re singing the national anthem. And I’m like, I mean, it’s random how this sticks. Thing has worked for me through a lifetime, but you’re a Bears fan, right? You know, give me a little bears preview.
James JY Young 20:29
8I have no idea if we have an offensive line or not, and if we don’t have an offensive line and we don’t have a team,
Nestor Aparicio 20:38
true, that’s it. That’s all you’re going to say. Jay Cutler, are you pro Cutler or Anthony Cutler?
James JY Young 20:43
I think he overrated. I think he’s a twerp on television. I think he’s, you know, the dumb little injuries he subjected himself to after, I mean, the one you know, where he hurt himself trying to tackle a guy after an interception which turned into a pick six. It was like, You idiot,
Nestor Aparicio 21:05
idiot, Spoken like a true fan, Jay. Why? You
8James JY Young 21:09
know, I mean, and he just, he does not seem, I’ve never met the guy, and it may just be that he’s, you know, on camera, he gets a little weird. Some people don’t know what to say on camera. It’s
Nestor Aparicio 21:21
also diabetic, and my wife’s diabetic, so I have so much respect for a guy, you know, shooting up on the sidelines and needles testing and all that stuff. And so, I mean, I That being said, I
James JY Young 21:30
so maybe he’s got a blood sugar problem, and I didn’t know that. Okay,
Nestor Aparicio 21:34
8yeah, well, I mean, I think that that’s been used for his emotional outbursts, you know. And being married to a diabetic, I know a little bit about that. Anybody has a diabetic in their life, but that’s been something that has been talked about on that way. But I do agree with you. I watch him on TV and think, you know, that’s not what leaders do. That’s not what I feel the same way about Phillip rivers, and it’s funny here. For years, JY Flacco just took nothing but flack about not being that guy, not being the Screamer, not being the pointer, not being the emotional slam the helmet. You know, after throwing a pick, he would go to the sidelines and be not emotional about it, and all he did was take grief about not being that guy. So I think, from a fan’s perspective, no matter what they do, if they perform, we love them, and if they don’t, we’re looking for whatever reaction, and we’re going to criticize the reaction.
James JY Young 22:20
I mean, he should be called Mr. Playoffs, because if anyone would have thought the Ravens would have done in the playoffs what they did after the Giants came in here and and handed the Ravens their hat at home somewhere in November last year,
Nestor Aparicio 22:32
it was Broncos. But go, yeah, it was Broncos, yeah. Well, Giants did too
James JY Young 22:38
at some point late in the season. And I go, I just thought, you know, I didn’t think the Ravens had a prayer and, and he just didn’t throw a pick. Steady as she goes, boom, boom, boom, defense with Ray back, you know, all of a sudden, you know, elevated. Just their emotional game in which, you know, they just, they their mojo, working through the whole thing. And, you know, Jeremy running that the kickoff back that was the dagger that killed him. And as much as it seemed like that power outage was going to hurt him in the Super, I mean, they just, they, you know, they, they didn’t, you know. I mean, I go back back to 2000 and and one when they when they shut out the Cowboys at home. You know that reminded me the 85 bears who shut out the Cowboys in Dallas, 44 and nothing with a backup quarterback. I said, you can shut out the Cowboys. You can win the Super Bowl. And as I was on them right after that, I said, the ravens are going to win the Super Bowl.
8Nestor Aparicio 23:36
JY, whatever you do tonight when you take the stage, say something nice about the Ravens before you play Renegade, just find a minute to just, you know what I mean, like make sure everybody’s at peace tonight, and we can have a wonderful ending to what I’m sure is going to be a great night. Ario speed wagging out on the road with you. Your boy, Kevin Cronin, who always loved my cousin, you know, every time he sees me, talks 59 Go Go socks with me all the time. How do guys in REO doing all right? Everything good. There
James JY Young 24:04
are great arias. We’ve done a number of shows with them. Set an attendance record of the Iowa State Fair just couple weeks ago. So we’re doing good
Nestor Aparicio 24:11
you guys do things together where you do a song or two and or just two separate sets. These days, there’s one
James JY Young 24:17
8tour where we did get together and get out and do that but, but typically they do their so we do ours and we go our separate ways. Who
Nestor Aparicio 24:24
comes first? Who comes second? Tonight? Tonight,
James JY Young 24:27
it’s reo. We’ll play first and we close the show.
Nestor Aparicio 24:30
Perfect, man. I love you. I miss you. It’ll be great to see you and catch up with you. You’re in the home of the world champions here today. James Young, make sure you tell Tommy and Lawrence all the other guys. We’ll see him tonight. Thanks for getting out of bed early this morning and spend a couple minutes with Hey, it’s been a few years since I want, I want you to tip your cap for the White Sox, even though they stink right now awfully. I know what a White Sox fan you were, that that must have been fun. And obviously in Chicago, with the way the hockey teams played and all that stuff, there’s
8James JY Young 24:58
been hawks, the Hawks over. Really lit it up the last few years, and that’s been a great thing. There
Nestor Aparicio 25:03
is hope is in there, after having a crappy owner for a couple of decades, that you can, you know, the kid took over. And, I mean, that’s a hell of a story for Chicago, for Blackhawks fans, what happened there? Because the exact same story would happen our baseball team being taken over by creep who owns the team, who destroys everything, and they are also better. Now, it’s all good, but the Blackhawks, to me, were always that inspirational thing that, you know, even the teams at the bottom because of who owns the team, that thing got fixed there. I mean, he that guy was the most hated guy in Chicago, for sure, right words,
James JY Young 25:32
yeah, it, it. You know, the ownership does play a huge role, and the mindset of ownership plays a huge role. It can’t fix everything, but it can. It can certainly create a fertile soil for a team to grow big in, you know, and
Nestor Aparicio 25:50
8must have been great for you be a White Sox fan and actually get a chance to celebrate, right? I mean long suffering. So hey, man, have a great show tonight. Can’t wait to see you guys. Hey, add Lorelei into the descent for me tonight, if you can. All right,
James JY Young 26:07
thanks, Jay. We may have another surprise for you instead. Really, okay,
Nestor Aparicio 26:10
I like surprises. Just, just say World Champions a lot tonight, and we’ll forget about the whole renegade thing, I promise. Thanks. JY, take care. Appreciate it. There he goes. JY from Styx, long time friend and a really cool.
