It’s up to Nestor’s friends and sponsors to keep him honest. Our pal Bill Cole of Cole Roofing and Gordian Enegry grills Nestor about what he really expects from the Orioles this offseason with new ownership and a team full of young stars waiting on better pitching. And fans waiting on some kind of honest and authentic communication.
Nestor Aparicio and Bill Cole discuss the state of the Baltimore Orioles and the expectations for the offseason. Nestor expresses frustration over the team’s lack of fan engagement, highlighted by 10,000 empty seats during playoffs, and criticizes the new ownership’s approach. He emphasizes the need for transparency and community involvement, contrasting it with the previous Angelo family ownership. Bill acknowledges the challenges and the importance of independent media in providing critical yet constructive feedback. They also touch on the broader issues of community investment and the role of local businesses in supporting Baltimore’s sports teams.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Maryland crab cake tour, Cole roofing, tech service, Orioles owner, solar energy, community involvement, Super Bowl week, empty seats, fan engagement, media criticism, ticket prices, Birdland membership, corporate support, Baltimore history, sports radio
SPEAKERS
Nestor Aparicio, Bill Cole
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore and Baltimore positive. You know, I just realized I’m not wearing my coal roofing gear. You just have to pretend that I didn’t break the mug. A couple of months ago, we were out doing the Maryland crab cake tour before the holidays, and it’s been great. And spiked eggnog with Marcella and rasig Nick the Greek Dara bungen over at Cocos and then Dan Rodricks and my cousin by marriage, John shields sat down and talked about the proper Feast of the Seven Fishes for the Italians on on Christmas, as well as sauerkraut and kielbasa for the the Polish Venezuelan guys like me over at gundawg. All of it was brought to you by the Maryland lottery. Fade lease still up. Amicis. Don’t tell anybody they don’t have a crab cake. But I’m having the crab cake tour there anyway, because I love them, and it’s a little Italy. And by the way, it’s the most popular stop. When I offered people you want to come to fadelies, you want to meet me at Costas, they all picked amicis on a Tuesday. So we’ll be in amicis next Tuesday, and then we will be at Costas on Wednesday, and I’m trying to wrangle Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Gina shock to come back home to Dundalk. So if you see Gina shock running around drug city, say, hey, Gina, do an Esther show next week. I’m just kidding. I love Gina. I gotta get up with her. John Allen’s not doing the show, by the way, because he’s out doing touring, and he’s been really busy on the road. You’ve been busy as well as Bill Cole from cole roofing and Gordian energy, not so busy that he couldn’t sponsor the wnst tech service that is now alive and well. And by the way, kudos on that. Every time it comes up I see Cole roofing. But more than that, when I’m out, people come up to me. They’re like, you turn the tech service back home. Thank God. I’m like, don’t, don’t. Thank God. Take no coal. Yeah, there you go.
Bill Cole 01:46
Yeah. I’m glad to see the tech service. That’s good to be back. You know, it’s fun.
Nestor Aparicio 01:51
Well, I mean, sometimes when it’s an injury, when it’s the player decided to not play last week, right? Like, I mean, I don’t know. Man, you and I going back and forth from me thinking about running for mayor. And the years we’ve been doing this and community and charity. And by the way, I’m doing my cup of Super Bowl again, Super Bowl week. I’m setting up school stuff. Dr Anthony Jenkins from Coppin, one of our great partners, is going to be a big part of that. Danna faidley, so we’re all like, good things are happening, but it’s been a wacky year, if you and I don’t get together at the end of this, from the bridge to Trump to just in a general sense that what happened with this murder and a Baltimore connection to this and the CBM family that just from a weird thing, you’ve been gone six weeks. I’ve met the Orioles owner, since the last time you and I got together, you just like, evaporated after the Orioles got eliminated. I mean, did you go away to, like, think about things.
Bill Cole 02:48
I’ve been trying to get out of the depressive hole I was in because of that. No, yeah, no. I think for me, it tends to be that rush from everybody comes back from summertime, and you gotta get stuff done before Thanksgiving, because after Thanksgiving, nobody’s really paying any attention. So no, it’s been good and busy. And, you know, lots of people want to understand solar so I spent a lot of time explaining how it works. And there’s never a shortage of roofs that are in disrepair and need to get fixed. And we roofs
Nestor Aparicio 03:30
aren’t interesting, though, no, but you know what I mean? Like, they’re not a conversation. Solar is this wild conversation. Roofs are like, you know, like it’d be like me talking about radio, nobody, but podcasting. Oh, well, you’re a podcaster, you know? It’s funny.
Bill Cole 03:45
That is interesting. But, like, roofs are really boring right up until the point where they start leaking and Oh,
Nestor Aparicio 03:53
then you gotta know, oh, it’s not level five. I had that one little area where there was a seam, all the stuff you’ve taught me being my body the last 25 you know, yeah.
Bill Cole 04:02
So when that happens, then all of a sudden it’s, you know, the number one priority. So we do, you know, our guys and people really enjoy helping people, whatever, solving problems. So it’s been busy, fun, you know, good stuff. I
Nestor Aparicio 04:16
got a whole list of things to talk about with you. The Orioles ravens leadership
Bill Cole 04:21
College, about the owner. Tell me about Mr. Rubenstein. Oh,
Nestor Aparicio 04:24
that’s where you want to go, right, from
Bill Cole 04:26
afar. From afar, I find him to be a very interesting character, like the stuff he does with the, you know, history of the United States. And, I mean, he’s how much
Nestor Aparicio 04:38
he knows about dead presence. And, like, oh, and the Magna Carta and, right? Yeah, yeah.
Bill Cole 04:43
Baltimore guy, so, like, that’s cool, right? Yeah,
Nestor Aparicio 04:47
I don’t I’m not in disagreement. I’m just the columnist from the Baltimore Sun or the Baltimore banner, or what the guy that is. Jeff taking calls. I mean, I’m thinking about anybody in the history of the media here, in 40 years of doing what I’m doing, my qualifications, not my credentials, my qualifications to do this are, I am one of the top 510, 2100, pick yours. Number one historian of Oriole baseball that you will find that’s still alive, who witnessed it, who saw it, who was there for everything? My my last name, the reason I exist on the planet, the reason I live here, is because my Venezuelan cousin came here and brought his cousin Here I am, so, you know. So I have a little bit of a different association to it, like a weird way, and building a sports radio station, and being here from the beginning. So I’m not coming at it in any and with any animus. You know what I mean, like and I and to be treated that way by his people, as I was nine months ago. I’m starting. I I’m 56, years old. I’m not coming at this like an 18 year old kid in Dundalk who got his feelings hurt, or like I run a business. You’re a CEO. I’m a CEO. We spend time around smart people. Smart people listen to this show and are involved, right? And I and for the life of me, I walk into any room, anywhere I am, and there’s no one, whether it’s a elected official, a CEO. I went to the events down that your dear friend threw down at at the center center stage earlier in the month Baltimore, whether it’s GBC Baltimore development like I talked to all of these people, and they all freely want to come on a show like this and talk about what they do. The sports teams don’t want any part of that and part of that $600 million of welfare both of these franchises have gotten. They both have had different leadership changes on the Raven side, on the Orioles side, they are at the tenderloin of everything that builds and grows the city. And I went to a cop and event down at center club the other night, a holiday event with Dr Jenkins, our partners. You hear the games here and you see the stuff we do in West Baltimore. He said something really poignant that I got to get out of him at fates. He’s like something about West Baltimore that we don’t run from West Baltimore. We are West ball. You know, we like, we like we we’re here. Why? I don’t run from Baltimore, East Baltimore. I’m in the city three days a week. I’m in faith leagues today. So there’s a point for me where the teams, because there’s no criticism from Bal Jay Z, these corporately owned, out of town, things that have a semi local head, that there is no invest there. There’s just no there to do anything other than cheer for them, and there’s no questions, and there’s no real press conferences, and they throw a guy like me out after four decades, and nobody says anything, but I still think those questions are being asked every minute of every day on my timeline, and I could be a real prick Billy, and pull up right now my Facebook and just pull up the word Orioles yesterday, literally, because they’re trying to get money from season ticket holders. And I don’t think no, it’s the algorithm or whatever, but I see people, and there are far less people that are in the Birdland club than have ever been in the Birdland club. And Katie Griggs inherited the 10,000 empty seats, which I brought up with the owner. I made one mistake with the owner, and I also hit a target with the owner in my 75 seconds that I talked to him, maybe 90 seconds. Was less than two minutes that I talked to him. There was a line, you know, I wasn’t trying to be a jerk. I was just trying to say, hello. Oh,
Bill Cole 08:49
that’s that’s how it goes with him. And it’s like a receiving line, like everybody stands in line. I’ll
Nestor Aparicio 08:57
tell you about that. If you’re dude, if you’re getting into this with me because you want to get its Christmas in school, because people have been asking me, and I don’t, I don’t have any public line other than what the temperature the public is. And I would say, I said this to Angelo’s. I said this to David Modell, I’m just a thermometer, dude. I stick my thermometer into the meat of the city, whether it’s at the 15th floor the the center club, at COP and a cop and event, or whether it’s at fadelies The next day, or whether it’s at amicis next week, or whether it’s in Dundalk, or whether it’s this Nacho mom is closing down. Which crazy mothers? Crazy. You know, so things that are going on in the community that really hit my soul and hit my timeline, the Orioles and the Birdland thing are one of 100 things that hit my timeline. But when they do, their people are pissed off and they’re like, they’re trying to raise my money. They want more money from me for less. Stuff. What about the television? What about the games? What about the leadership? And someone on the timeline wrote the meanest thing I can think, and it wasn’t me, and I read it last night in the car my wife was driving home. Literally, I’m just reading my timeline, and I screenshot it, and someone in the peanut gallery, again, I was the one taking the phone calls, which is why Angelo hated me. I was I was I heard their complaints, and I would take their complaints to management say, What do you think of this? Like it was like a mailbag, and they didn’t want to hear it, and they still don’t want to hear it, and they still don’t want to be nice or say hello or come on the show and tell me about their burglar membership and tell me about Help me. Help you. You know, so someone in the timeline wrote bill. It’s almost like the Angelos family never left. Just in regard to free agency, we’re going to chase Juan soda, but we’re not going to get him Blake’s native all the I mean, so players and where the payroll is really going to be, and where they think Cole roofing is going to give them $425,000 next year for an advertising package and a skybox. And, you know, like they need a lot of that from a lot of royal farms and wises and banks. And, I mean, I, I always say the old WBL model was Provident Bank, Mercantile Bank, First National Bank. You know, it’s like all of these banks that spot and the colleges and the hospitals and whatever that lifted the Orioles to the Cal Ripken Brooks Robinson heights that lift the Ravens every day in the, you know, north of Grumman, and the people that support the ravens and buy sky boxes and like all of the stuff that goes on there, and the league is so fat, the NFL, so fat baseball, has to figure it out. And my observations, Bill, were that the night before the election, I would and this is how long it’s been since you and I mean you and I haven’t chatted since literally October. Bill Cole is our guest. By the way, Cole roofing, one of our great partners and friends, Beth fellow, had a speaker series, otherwise called the Stanley Penn speaker series. And like I knew Stanley Penn from Penn Pont, Pontiac MC Dundalk, right down the street from me, so one of the Endowment Foundation for the temple and for the synagogue is that every year they do a speaker. They every year it’s the Stanley pen thing. So this wasn’t like a special David stopping by. This was he was the speaker in an ongoing thing where for years and years they’ve done this thing. He was the selected person. He made time to come do it. And, um, very young rabbi, beautiful speech. I had been in the room before, incidentally. And Mark REM I mean, I was greeted by there were 100 people in the room I knew, and they all came up, gave me love. Dave Warshawski, just a lot of people were there that I knew, and they’re like, What are you doing here? And I’m like, Rubenstein speaking, and it’s free. Greg ash invited me. Bruno Sammartino. He knows who he knows. He sent me a Facebook note in the middle of a football game on a Sunday. He’s like, Hey, David ribbits, I speaking, do you want to come? And I’m like, sure, you know. Like, sure, I’ll come, you know. So I went over and I sat and listened to he did the 30 to 40 minute speech that he gives about his life that I think he’s given 100 times, right, right? I’m a kid from Baltimore. Dad was a postman. Went to city, very, sort of, I don’t want to say faux humble, whatever, just sort of self effacing, sort of very like, you know, I didn’t mean to become a billionaire. It just sort of happened, you know, the story, right? I went here and failed. I worked for Jimmy Carter. Failed. I went failed. I wasn’t good enough to be a lawyer, but, like, he went through all of this, right? What his mother expected from him, and got a lot of laughs, because he’s in a Jewish synagogue, and he was, you know, it was fun, right? Then he sat with the rabbi who performed my role, which was interviewing him, right? And it was very, you know, Speaker Series, right? So, and the questions were sort of baked into the here, the five or six things we’re going to talk about, right? My couple of observations for you, if we’re just, by the way, dude, we did our Christmas party, you and me at Nacho mamas last year. Were we going to do it this year? I don’t know. We got to do it at Nacho mamas, because they don’t close till the end, till January. We got to do it. I’m just thinking, like, if you and I were having fajitas, and you would ask me this, I would tell you this. There were a few really interesting observations. One, he doesn’t know anything about baseball that like, and I’m not being mean, he’s just been busy making money. Steve Bucha always said, Put the 10,000 hours in. By the way, I figured out I put 250,000 hours into this, into being a sports media host, but I did the math on that. So the 10,000 hours that you put into doing what you need to do, you. He admitted on stage that he went to 38 baseball games this year, and he said that was 38 more than he’d been to the last 50 years. Wow. And I thought to myself, that would be like me buying an opera and trying to get caught up, or me buying a rugby team and not even knowing the rules and trying to get caught up. I’m convinced he knows the rules of baseball. I’m convinced he might have watched baseball as a kid. I’m convinced he wants to be famous. Thought this was a good way to make money. Thought this was a good way to, you know, fire up a 74 year old ego and checkbook and do something that I think he really believes is philanthropic, which is bring people into the city and write checks on behalf of the Orioles. And what the Orioles can do is more powerful than what a guy named Rubenstein can do the brand of it. You know what I mean, like that that has this cachet. And I think if I sat with him, that’s what I would maybe get out of it. Um, yeah, he’s not moving here and beating the streets and bringing people back. He’s going to zoom in do one of these sittings for hundreds of people, either like a political thing, where you have to pay to be there, or he’s going to give hats out at the stadium and they’re going to take pictures of it. But he’s not going to be a mover and shaker in what free agent to sign? I’m not convincing like he would have bought the Washington Nationals. He admitted that he was going to do something with Ted Lee owns us. He didn’t he, and he, and he had a chance to buy the Orioles he knew John angelos, whom he has a lot of respect for. So my interaction with him, and this, honestly, Bill, I’m um, would it make me a bad journalist, a bad citizen, a bad guy to say, I’m not really seeking out another handshake with him or a picture or selfie or have him sign my baseball or whatever. You know what I mean. Like, I’m just not, like, I don’t I stood in line peacefully behind a dozen people who all wanted to take pictures, and they had baseballs. They wanted sign they just wanted to say hello. It really was a greeting line, right? Like he was on the stage in the in the in the same stage that Don Felder saying heavy metal on which I loved. And, you know, people just really respectfully filed out. It wasn’t like there were three, 400 people there, and there were probably 30 who wanted to, like, say hello, in some way, a lot of older folks, it was the night before the election. It was, you know, nine o’clock at night by the time it was busted off people just when it ended, they left and but most of them and I went down and I waited because I didn’t want a selfie. I wanted the interaction. And I said, Mr. Roopstein. I said, Nestor Aparicio. I said, my cousin, literally just like this. My cousin played in for the Orioles Luis Aparicio. Oh, yeah, yeah. I said, Yeah, you referenced him. Said, I appreciate that, that he was one of your favorite players, that when you think of him, I said, I’ve owned a sports radio station here for for almost 44 years, and you know, I’d like to have a relationship. We’ll call Chris Ullman. I said, Okay, didn’t read the letter. Know that much, and so I said to him, I said, I you know everything I said to Chris Ullman, I said to him, I said, there’s been a lot of trauma here. And I said, and I didn’t I should have mentioned the letter. I should have said I wrote you a letter. I hope you read it. I did not say that to him. I wish I would have that’s my regret. But I did say to him, there’s been a lot of trauma here, and I with the old ownership, and I got swept up in that. And I said, I just want you to know, I you know, I want what’s good for you and for the city. I love the baseball team. I love the Orioles. And I said, but there’s 10,000 empty seats that you saw in the playoffs. That’s the trauma. And I said, I’d like to help you with that. And he moved on to the next person in line. He
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didn’t even respond. He didn’t even respond. He just like, he didn’t say, like,
Nestor Aparicio 18:56
if I see in the old days with the Orioles to talk
Bill Cole 18:59
to you, I would have said something along the lines of, that’s very kind of you. We have a lot of people working on that it’s really important to us, and I appreciate the interest, and I would have moved on. And, I mean, that’s to be dismissive, but yeah, he wasn’t
Nestor Aparicio 19:14
being handled. I’m being honest with you. I think he got in his car and drove up, you know what? I mean, like, from where he was, I he had no security in a temple, which is their security in every restaurant I walk into. Now that it’s just like there was serious security at the temple, right? Other than that, there was no, I mean, you you get when you walk in the building, it’s, there’s metal detectors, right? Like, so there’s none of pokey, pokey going on, but usually, and this is what I would say to him, and this is what I would say to you, or anyone who loves me or knows me, or or waits in line to come say hello to me, and and like, which has happened, thankfully. And I’m, you know, like, people do sort of gather to speak and like, right? I try to. Nice to everybody, right? So I didn’t want to come at him in that way. I would just say that for for me, I the acknowledgement of what they’re doing corporately, across the board, and I guess that falls to Katie Griggs now, right? Like she’s the new she’s going to be the head of this. It has not been nearly as visible over the last 60 days as it needs to be in an off season. And I don’t mean spending money and doing stuff. I just mean, like, in a general sense of it needs to look and feel different. And I’ve written that, and when Mr. Rubenstein moved on from me, on the on the days, I just moved on. And I thought, okay, you know, like, I’m not trying to influence people and win friends. I’m just trying to be, like, helpful. And everything I said to Chris Allman is, I said, we all want the same things. That’s the thing I said to both of them. We all want the same things. We want the team to be vibrant. I mean, I remember it being vibrant like this, and I think being the thermometer out on the street and feeling it, I I’m not. I think they had a they’ve had a golden chance here as a takeover, to take over, and I don’t think it’s gone well, yeah, I mean, I and I’m not being that’s not for me. I didn’t. I don’t care whether it goes well for me. I’m just seeing, selling more tickets, selling more enthusiasm, signing players, getting in, feeling new, feeling fresh. Where’s Cal Ripken? Where’s the players, where’s gunner, it’s the opposite. And like, we’re up on Christmas, and now it’ll be January, and that’ll be spring training, and we’re back to who’s going to the ballpark, whatever. And that that worries me, Billy, it does. Everybody
Bill Cole 21:53
took the call. I think everybody approached it with the same optimism that you just described, right like Cal took the call, Sure, I’ll do some commercials. Sure I’ll come down. Is there a plan? Is it sustainable? You know, are we really changing the trajectory? You know, I listening to you talk Nestor like you have a very deep appreciation for the need of independent media and and I’m just going to pull us out of like the Orioles specifically, but, but I do want to try and understand your perspective, because, you know, you mentioned a while ago, b, a, l, or J, Z, or whoever it is, right? Like, the only message that is allowed to be said is, you know, positivity and, like, support for the teams.
Nestor Aparicio 22:53
And I guess you’re going to be Katie Griggs and go on PAL and take phone calls and not talk about the 10,000 empty seats in the playoff games you’re really and not having a real answer for that. You know what I mean like? And I would just and I’ve said this every minute since less than you and I got together, it bothered me to see the empty seats and all they’ve done is hate me for 20 years as a citizen. Is someone that invested in downtown as someone that’s last name’s Aparicio. It hurt me on behalf of Brooks Robinson. It hurt me on behalf of Earl Weaver. It hurt me as a citizen. And it needs to hurt somebody there. You know what I mean? It needs to bother TJ Brightman, Greg Bay, whoever’s running the place, needs to say that’s not we that didn’t we need to do better, and in every way, we need Nestor and his wife there. We need Bill Cole there and his kids. We need to get them off the soccer ball and get them on the softball diamond. And, you know, like I don’t, there’s just a Herculean I’m not saying this is a small thing that Katie Griggs has taken on, and I’ll continue to be respectful to her to the point where, when I shake her hand, and she walks the other way and gets handled by their PR in a way that Mr. Rubenstein didn’t and I didn’t press it, you know what I mean? Like, I didn’t reporter him and go back with a million questions in the middle of a synagogue, I was just trying to shake the man’s hand and let him know that I cared, and I did, but I didn’t point out that I wrote him a letter, because the letter real. I read the letter again the other day just to make sure that I was where I needed to be. And I just gave the facts of like, how I he said, Call Chris Ullman. And I’m like, Okay, you want my Chris almond story? Here it is. I like, there it is. And he whistles beautifully. And I’m sure he’s a great corporate communications guy. He’s a nice professor, but these are not Baltimore people, no offense, and I don’t want to sound like Charlie Ekman, but they’re not Baltimore people. And at some point, Baltimore people are going to be the people that rescue the Orioles and rescue everything in Baltimore. I
Bill Cole 24:54
don’t, I don’t know that we have, like, a monopoly on the people. Who are able to save the things in Baltimore? My only question
Nestor Aparicio 25:03
is, in order to save the Orioles, you have to come to Baltimore. Can? We can agree on that? Right? Yes, I totally
Bill Cole 25:08
agree with that, right? Well, then if the answer to all the things you’re saying is we have to change the messaging around the Orioles and that the brand needs to be positive, and everything that needs to be said is positive, if that’s the tactics that they’re choosing to use,
Nestor Aparicio 25:25
right? And that mister Angelo’s never existed. No, all of it.
Bill Cole 25:29
We’re not going to mention anything about the bad, because we need to get the story to say everything is good. And if we convince everyone that everything is good, then they will come. The question I have is okay, if that’s the tactic, right, that leaves no room for criticism, because that’s that’s ruining the brand that we’re trying to create. We don’t have time for any negative questions. Everything is positive, positive, positive. If that is, that’s why
Nestor Aparicio 25:59
I got thrown out of the demi you can hear Chad Steele in the press conferences saying, No more questions about the quarterback, and me saying, well, in Chicago, you know, so like, I I’m with you. How do
Bill Cole 26:10
you okay? So if that is the tactic that they are choosing to use, how do you push back on that and say, Well, no, because the reason that won’t work is because the fan base is smart enough to see through your BS. The pricing is so high that the people you’re talking to to buy are sophisticated enough to see through your BS, like, like, they just are. They
Nestor Aparicio 26:38
had a real promise of playoffs selling a corporate guy like you $125 playoff ticket that was then being offered for $15 the day of the game. And I heard it. I was at the Beaumont that night. Everybody at the bar was like, how much did you pay? How much did you pay? Like, I can’t believe tickets were 15 or 20 bucks, and I got snookered into paying a buck and a quarter, and there were 10,000 empty seats. Like, I heard a lot of that. And that is, Look, man, I haven’t heard people talking about the Orioles much at all in the last 20 years, right? Like, literally, it is the problem that they have. And they’ve brought in someone who, when I looked her up on LinkedIn, I offered her a link. We have three mutual connections in the whole world before she came here, Katie Griggs, and I’m thinking, I know everybody in the city. For better or worse, I’ve had three or four, like, literal sports executive types who’ve done PR, who’ve done marketing, say me, I should be the first one they make up with, like, just give them a pass and let them come in. How much harm could he? Like, I’m not here to to knock China over. You know what I mean? Like, I’m not. I’m really not. I’m literally here with a notebook as a 56 year old citizen, an FCC license holder, a man who’s employed people, who’s had a wife almost die twice, a guy who’s got a 40 year old kid, you think I’m here to be bar stool sports and be an ass like, I’m here literally to say, what are you doing with the $600 million how are, what are you really going to do with the payroll? You really playing small market? You’re going to play that game, sell it to me, tell me why you’re small market, and I’ll write that down and sell it out to the people. But you’re not going to tell me what to write. And if, the presupposition is that everything I’m going to write has to be positive and you’re going to throw me out, then just don’t bother letting me in. I mean, I don’t know what else to say at this point, other than you have 10,000 empty seats in your upper deck. And I’m not being a jerk asking questions about that. I am being I love you and I want you to get better. I’m challenging you to say, what’s the strategy, other than throwing people like me out, right? But what other strategies do you have to get people in? And I’m more concerned about their media than anything else. By the way, I’m more concerned about just getting your kids watching the game on TV, so they might want to
Bill Cole 28:59
go, right, but understand that the actual sea change, tidal wave, societal move, whatever you want to call it, that you’re actually fighting against, is this concept. And you’ll you know, you know this all too well because of the brief but impassioned discussions we have about Donald Trump, like, if they say it enough, it must be true, because social media is a, you know, revolving door of an echo chamber, right, where people only hear the things that they want to hear. So that is a tactic, right? That is an actual strategy that some blame on like the Russian Putin,
Nestor Aparicio 29:41
but that’s not filling it up. And anybody that knows anything about sports knows that it’s the criticism that sold it period. That’s, I think, and whether and the gambling part of it. But you have a whole different avenue, right with gambling. But
Bill Cole 29:56
we have to come up. We actually have to come up with the kryptonite. Of this, right? Because everyone in power continues to do this. They don’t need to be held accountable, because the echo chambers in their universe can just make it true, and we haven’t. No one has figured out a way to break through that and say, Well, no, actually, you need neutral. You need both sides of every discussion. You need to talk about those things, because we are actually intellectual human beings, and we know that not everything was great about the Orioles,
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but obviously,
Nestor Aparicio 30:32
I’ll leave it at this, and because you do have to go and I love you. Bill Cole, Cole, roofing, we don’t get together often enough. Happy holidays. Please get me a mug. The little one, not the biggest on my list. Thank you. Santa would like, you know, that’s all I want for that, and good texts on Oriole news from cole roofing. But Trump said last week, and I don’t hear much of what he says, and I don’t really need to hear another word he says, quite frankly, but he said something that in in a in an interview wound up on my social media where he somebody said, Did you lose the election? Or you lost the election? You lost the election. It’s a fact. He lost the election in 2020 and he said, That’s your opinion. And I think now that is just where we are. So the fact that the Orioles lost for five years and nobody’s going just my opinion, the fact that the ticket prices are too much. That’s just my opinion. The fact that putting games on Friday nights on Apple TV, where nobody can find them or care to watch them, just my opinion, the fact that the Birdland memberships went up by 20% and it took the points away. Just my opinion, you know, like it since, so 1000 empty seats. Wash those away. We’ll take the $600 million and build a club up there so we only have 34,000 seats in the stadium. So we’ll make that make find one way to erase that. We’ll just put more less seats on the plane.
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We lost
Bill Cole 31:54
this idea that the criticism and the challenges is what makes the eventuality better, right? Like, like, here’s what we’re doing. Oh, why don’t you do this? Hey, shut up over there. No, actually, that comment is what makes things better, right? Is everyone challenging the norm? So, yeah, I
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think it’s, well, that’s why you support me. Things aren’t going to get better, I guess because
Nestor Aparicio 32:15
I’m still here. Like, saying, Hey man, let’s make the team better. Like, I want is, I want the team to win. I also want them to be kind that I want them to back up what they mean about community when they’re getting money from us. That’s all right,
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I support you.
Bill Cole 32:32
One, because there are many things that you give me a different perspective than the way I see things. So I I’m always searching for alternate perspectives. Two, I know that genuinely deep in your heart, despite playing the nasty character for some large portion of your life, you actually want our town to be a prosperous, wonderful place for people to live, play and everything so and I will support anybody that I know genuinely in their heart, wants that right? I’m on board. I’m part of that team, so
Nestor Aparicio 33:06
I’m going to use that in every every speech from now on, Bill Cole can be found in the documentary about my wacky no one listens. Everyone hears. He can also be found as a prime mover and expert in the solar space. We’ll bore you with that conversation another time, but it is important, and roofing is important this time of year. You know, temperature changes, crack, SAP and all of that. If you are a business out there, a coal roofing is always there for you. Billy hit the road, Brother, I will see you in another eight weeks, and we can figure this out. But how we get together again? Santa will have come down the roof. The Ravens will be eliminated, and Trump will be running the country. Be running the country. Talk to you soon. Thank you. That’s a lot to look forward to. Hi, I’m Nestor. He is Bill Cole we are wnst. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We never stop talking Baltimore positive.
