New Interim Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs at Coppin State University Dr. Haywood discusses her decision to move to Baltimore, our city’s cultural richness and the importance of critical thinking and communication skills as she shares her love of American literature and learning.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Baltimore reputation, crab cakes, Coppin State, Interim Provost, academic affairs, student concerns, workforce preparedness, technology use, critical thinking, cultural events, educational impact, community engagement, faculty development, student diversity, historical perspective
SPEAKERS
Nestor Aparicio, Dr. Chanta Haywood
Dr. Chanta Haywood 00:01
Welcome home. We
Nestor Aparicio 00:02
are W, N, S T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore and Baltimore positive, as everyone knows, around here, we do a lot of sports, eat a lot of crab cakes and get rid of eat a lot of Turkey and probably swallow a lot of eggnog before it’s all over. With our friends at the Maryland lottery send us out with the Raven scratch offs to give away during the Maryland crab cake tour, and we’re visiting all of our sponsor we’re gonna be a Cocos, we’re gonna be a Costas, we’re gonna be a Pappas. We’re gonna be all around State Fair fadelies, for sure downtown have some crab cakes for the holidays and shipping those out. All that brought to you by our friends as well at Jiffy Lube MultiCare. We’re in the midst of 26 years of doing this crazy wnst Baltimore positive thing, and our wnst Oyster tour, provided by French Curia wellness and foreign daughter, as well as Liberty pure solutions. One 800 clean water. They keep our water clean and keep your water clean as well. Just like the oysters keep the bay nice and clean. So we have these delicious crab cakes. You know, I don’t know if she’s had a crab cake yet or not. She’s sort of new to Baltimore as part of our ongoing education series here, and our long partnership with COVID State University for more than just sports. We don’t We still run the games we put on. Am 1570 we’ve been trying to have some elevated conversations about the community and the folks that power up COVID state and our partners there and our partnership. She has a new, fancy title. She’s come in, and I want to make sure that I get all this right, because Interim Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs, she has written books about all sorts things, has lived abroad London as well as I, worked at Florida State and a bunch of different places, Albany State, she comes to us honest, from West Baltimore right now. And first of all, I want to welcome you in Dr Shanta Haywood is our guest. And First things first, crab cake. I’ve had people shell fishing tolerant of thanks. Where are you on the crab cake scale?
Dr. Chanta Haywood 01:46
Let me tell you. Dr Anthony Jenkins doesn’t know this, but one of the key factors in my decision to come here to work with him in his interim capacity was was because of Baltimore’s reputation with the crab cakes. So I am on the search for the perfect
Nestor Aparicio 02:03
crab cake. Well, as we tape this for about an hour from lunchtime, I mean, I pick you up, let’s go. You know, I’m alright. Hey, that’s throw you in the passenger seat, and away we go.
Dr. Chanta Haywood 02:11
I’m serious, that’s the date. Come on. It
Nestor Aparicio 02:13
is, especially in light of the election. We are taping this right in the aftermath of that, as well as some Raven victories. You could find all that out of Baltimore positive, but the reputation of Baltimore outside so you might not know a lot about me. I’m a lifer East Baltimore. Dundalk, been here forever, had the rage. That’s why I do Baltimore positive, and part of it was about a decade ago, the last time the guy got elected here. Our reputation and where we were with crime and this and that, we always think, how does it look outside of the city? And how do we recruit from educational doctors straight on down student to our area in our city, and and I’m always worried about our reputation elsewhere, and then I find good people. Dr Jenkins, even though he’s been watching a football fan, I’ll call him a good man, um, you know, coming from Washington, coming from other areas, even Wes Moore, who’s up in New York, wherever comes back, wants to run Maryland, right? Brandon being here, I’m talking about political leaders. But then there are people that get recruited into this. And say, why would someone leave London, Florida, California, wherever you’re from, to come here and be a part of this. And I like leaving that on the doorstep of our new transplants. You want to learn all the great crab cake places here, Dr Haywood
Dr. Chanta Haywood 03:30
and did so one of the so you’re asking, you know, what made me decide to come sure having Well, there were when I was talking to people and letting them know that I was considering moving to Baltimore. People did make me aware. Well, you know, the first thing you can imagine, some of the people said, you know, that’s where the wire was, and
Nestor Aparicio 03:50
still haven’t watched it. I admitted that I never
Dr. Chanta Haywood 03:53
lived, I never had. I’ve never watched it either. But I said I live
Nestor Aparicio 03:56
downtown this few years, where I lived for 19 years. I lived at the 23rd Florida harbor court right downtown. So this was the view. This was my sunrise and mornings. And so I love Baltimore, but I often think what would make others come here and fall in love with it? Want to have a life here and make life here?
Dr. Chanta Haywood 04:13
Well, I have come to love it, and I live in an area called Bolton Hill, and I am absolutely loving just the cultural surroundings. Edgar Allen Poe, having lived at Zorin Hurston, actually lived a block from where I am. And as a person who my PhD is in American Literature, and she was a writer who I taught in my classes, and someone whose texts and books I’ve read and studied, and someone who’s approaching to life was kind of kind of mimicked mine. I was excited about it. I’m loving all of the cultural events, all of the arts and the richness of. Of the community. I think that’s
Nestor Aparicio 05:02
everything that Dr Jenkins was wooed about when I first sat with him a couple of years ago, just talking about what brings leaders to Baltimore that think can other inspire other leaders and certainly at the educational level. I think we are known for institutions of learning. We are known for hospitals and our legacy here. We we want to be more tech. We’re always be crab cake and seafood in the bay and all of that. But I think when people think about coming here, especially from the COVID state perspective, it’s what can we do to inspire other young people? And I ate some crab cakes over on the east side of town. I don’t want to mention Morgan and the Coppin, but the Cocos is right by Morgan, and I just see what these edge. And I live in Towson, so I’m near Towson University, and, you know, and I see what a university can do to sort of bring the lifeblood of a community back.
Dr. Chanta Haywood 05:53
Well, definitely the educational system here in Maryland was, was a key factor in my coming and also top the state and working with Dr Anthony Jenkins and seeing the impact that he has had at the university, considering its rich history and its significant in the Baltimore community. So definitely a key factor, what I’m loving also is his innovation and his willingness to allow me to execute some of the ideas that I have to continue this legacy here at Coffman. What is Interim
Nestor Aparicio 06:33
Provost and Vice President, you know? So it’s a fancy title, academic affairs, and you do come from this honest. I’ve done a little research on you. I like to do that before. I have folks on but just your background in writing and in literature and more than that, I think at every step. I mean, you were in a teacher, a faculty member, a faculty I mean, you’ve come at this a long way from probably when you went to school, just thinking, I’m going to teach young people. You know the things I’ve learned, but you mean fundraising, just all sorts of avenues that have challenged you and led you here.
Dr. Chanta Haywood 07:07
They really have, and I have worked the full gamut, and I could in the academic enterprise, having been a faculty member, a graduate dean, an assistant provost and associate provost, and just having worked on all facets of the university. So and it positions me. Those experiences have positioned me well to take on this challenge here of being the Provost and Vice President for Academic Affairs. Now the provost today serves a very different role than what it was originally. You know, in medieval I
Nestor Aparicio 07:38
think of it a fancy title for the dean of professors. And, you know, I mean, I think of it a little bit in a funny way, sort of the animal house, but I’m thinking like, what does, what is a modern provost? I mean, all everything comes to your desk, everything
Dr. Chanta Haywood 07:55
does so a modern Provost and Vice President for Academic Affairs handles almost every aspect of the university, we deal with faculty, faculty teaching, faculty credentialing, ensuring that our faculty stay up on their professional growth and professional development, making sure that they are on top of the recent knowledge in their fields. That means providing faculty with all kinds of opportunities to stay on top of the disciplines and the knowledge that’s being produced in their disciplines. And then on top of that, we are responsible for ensuring that our students get the best academic experiences that they can get, exposing them to different opportunities to do research, to do internships, to do all kinds of academic enhancement. Then on top of that, we are working collaboratively with the staff. All of the staff on campus are responsible for making sure that we put everything in place to make sure that the academic enterprise is functioning very well. Then we deal with our external stakeholders, with the federal government, with the local with the state government, to ensure that we have the funding, the access, the opportunities that we need to to execute our mission.
Nestor Aparicio 09:03
That’s why we talk because, you know, a lot of times we thought of just a basketball program, and I get together with Juan or get together with Larry Stewart for over the years, because we’ve done a lot with COVID state sports here. And the thing for me and seeing young people, and it’s been a number of years, some of these folks are in the Olympics, former guest of the show who represented other countries. And, you know, I would have Sherman read on from your baseball coach, and he’d say, Oh, I’ve got recruits from Hawaii playing baseball here. And I’m like, you know, I don’t, I’m not sure that outside of the bubble that is COVID state in West Baltimore, and part of it is, it is a really neat little place that for someone like you can come in and really know people that when you go to and I know you’d work to Florida State, I’ve been to Tallahassee, that’s a ginormous campus with lots and lots of people. There is something about the personal touch of being at a smaller institution and coming in where you are, where you get to know students, you get to touch them a little bit. But they do come from just a wide, wide, broad background of folks that come to Coppin State, and I’m not sure that everyone really knows that outside of West Baltimore,
Dr. Chanta Haywood 10:10
yeah, I don’t think they they do, but our students are, I’m telling you, from all over the world, and they are diverse in their thinking, in their living, in their outlook, you know, in their cultural expressivity and COVID being so small, that’s one of the things that has endeared me to and the campus is absolutely beautiful. It is gorgeous. And yes, I and have and, you know, you get this personal, almost family feel when you’re on campus. I walk on the campus every day just to enjoy the greenery, just to enjoy the greetings that I get from the students who now know me personally, come up to me. They hug me. I hug them back. We talk about what’s going on in their academics. And that kind of exchange is something that you don’t get on a regular basis in small in larger campuses like the one at Florida State. It’s not that we don’t have that that degree of connectivity, but it’s very different on a campus like this one, and the students are so open and inclusive and embracing of each other. I’m noticing that as well.
Nestor Aparicio 11:21
Dr Shanta Haywood is our guest. She is, and I’m gonna give the whole title here, Interim Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs as part of our COVID State Partnership and the flagship we won the games. We talk about that, but I want to talk more impact for the university and folks coming. Your background is interesting. I was a little unclear. Were you in London for all of your stay at Florida State or back and forth. Tallahassee, I just find people’s experiences, especially when they have spent time abroad and during an election week. Here we talk about folks that have passports and use them, folks that have been other places would have a different ideology and certainly a different life experience. And it seems to me, you’ve been a lot of places, but I’m not sure how long you were in Europe.
Dr. Chanta Haywood 12:03
So I was there during the summer, and I was there on behalf of Florida State, directing a program there called communications abroad, communications in London. So I directed that program for Florida State last summer, in addition to teaching a class there, and the class was on persuasive writing, teaching students how to write to persuade in various aspects. And the City of London was the classroom. So if we’re talking about persuading an audience over to making a decision, or persuading the audience over to a position that you’re taking, we will go to different parts of the city, and then I talk about, you know, this particular painting in this museum, how would you persuade an audience over to your perspective of it? So we use the City of London as the classroom, per se, to execute and illustrate some of the ideas and some of the notions that I was talking about in the classroom go to Churchill’s
Nestor Aparicio 13:03
bunker and talk about real persuasion that he went through in the 40s, right? All of persuading, all of his people, yes, they were going to be okay, yeah, this crazy bunk. I mean, that classroom setting there, nothing like that,
Dr. Chanta Haywood 13:15
all of all of that. And the students, and it brings the concepts and the theories and the notions to life, and they have a different perspective on it. You know, when you can go and do just as you just noted, and point out times and places in history where people actually are using those very elements and principles of persuasion that I was talking about in the class. And one of the most exciting exercises that we did was to convince students, try to persuade students at universities all over the world about the importance of going somewhere and studying abroad. And they did so, doing photo journals that were persuasive, doing a blog that was persuasive. So giving them the opportunity to use London as as a way to and as a classroom to kind of explore those principles of persuasion.
Nestor Aparicio 14:04
You know, I used to use travel just for good times and music and, you know, all of that. And I had been to Amsterdam probably six, seven times in my life, and finally went to the Anne Frank House summer ago, just a different and I read the work, and I, you know, I studied it. There’s something different. And maybe being in my 50s little different than being in my 20s. But there is just something about every time I go to New York, and I went this week, especially on the backside of the election, I become Holden Caulfield. And, you know, The Catcher in the Rye catches me. And I think about the works that I read and the Steinbeck you know works, and the works that you were a part of, that sort of led you down this pathway of a lifetime of education and educating other folks that it really begins with reading and something we really take for granted, right?
Dr. Chanta Haywood 14:53
It really does it. Really it. And I always tell my students, it also is reading. It’s also critical thinking. Yeah. How you think, how you what’s, what’s your outlook on, on life, and on different perspectives. And so I always tell my students that your your writing, when you try to write, is only as good as your thinking is critical.
Nestor Aparicio 15:17
So that’s all about communication, right?
Dr. Chanta Haywood 15:19
Where we are. It’s all about communication. Yeah, no worries.
Nestor Aparicio 15:23
Dr Shanta, Hey, what is our guest? She is the intro Provost and Vice President of all things at Coppin, State Academic Affairs. We’re trying to learn about all of this stuff, and we’re going to get the crab cakes and get to all of that for you coming to this campus, and you’ve been here, you know, shortly, lately, this summer, what is the recurring theme of what you hear from students about concerns oftentimes, I’m trying to get into the minds of these devices and folks our age not having them for long periods, not even having email or an internet I mean, I always see the card catalog and The Dewey Decimal system that I grew up with, and thinking about how much different it would be to be an 1819, 20 year old person making their way in the world, and what their concerns would be on a college campus as they come to you, yeah,
Dr. Chanta Haywood 16:15
students who are coming to me are expressing Concerns about preparedness, being ready for the workforce when they when they leave the university. So we’re putting in place. We have already in place, but we’re enhancing those things that are in place to give them some security and certainty that they are ready to go into the workforce and do well, that’s one thing. Another thing is, how do they incorporate technology and use AI, for example, ethically and appropriately when they leave the university and go into the workforce? So students are very concerned about about that, and they are watching us as faculty members and as universities kind of navigate how we can utilize something as like AI in the classroom appropriately, and preparing them for the workforce. Dr
Nestor Aparicio 17:09
Hayward, you’re going to make me a student. I’m gonna have to come back and learn all this stuff, right? If I’m gonna stay relevant, right? Yeah, come
Dr. Chanta Haywood 17:15
on. We need, we need your experience, and your your experience, the perspective
Nestor Aparicio 17:20
back to school thing for me, I don’t know, I don’t know if I can handle all that. I have a hard enough time doing all this, but it is, um, you know, I went to the University of Baltimore in the early 90s. I’m a background journalist, lifer, communicator and all of that. And I thought I was going to be a newspaper writer all of my life. And the skill sets and the different writing is the background for every basis of every persuasive thing I sell for a living, and but the writing part of it and the reading part of it, just as a basis of everything we do in our society. I feel like it can’t be stressed enough. I mean, and I know by the time people get to you, they’re reading and writing by the time they get to the collegiate level, but it just starts so early everywhere in our city. And I think that that’s something that the universities here have really tried to stretch out as being community members, to try to, you know, reach out within, in a literacy way, in a communication way, to lift the community. That’s what the universities are here to do, hopefully not seed students to go elsewhere and live hopefully they come here and want to move into Bolton Hill and go on their pathway to being a professor and then change the world the way you’re trying to do well,
Dr. Chanta Haywood 18:28
you’re absolutely right. By the time our students, the students get to us, they are. They have developed their writing, but it changes in the different ways that you need to write and communicate change, and that’s what we prepare them for and that, and that’s what goes back to that thinking, the way in which they think critically, because your writing is going to change the needs for the type of writing that you do is going to be different along your entire path. I’m sure that now you’re writing differently than you did when you started out first as a journalist. So we try to spell
Nestor Aparicio 18:59
check now, you know, I’m a guy that had the Thesaurus on my desk. Now, if I want a word for magnificent, I’ll just, you know, Google it. You know, you
Dr. Chanta Haywood 19:09
can do the go, yeah, click down and look for a synonym for it. The
Nestor Aparicio 19:12
tools to even AI, you know, some of my age would say, oh, that tricky science is kind of like when the internet came out. I think all of us, as we get older, have to adapt. Young people, they were just born with the tablet, right? So it’s a whole different thing than even a pencil and a pen and an eraser and God forbid, when they flunked me out of typing class because I’m missing a finger, and they put the piece of paper under and we had the white paper just making a mistake. Yes, was very costly. One flying cap, from your background and my background of being a writer at a typewriter, one flying cap took a lot of effort to fix. Things are very pliable now, and I think young people are more pliable in that
Dr. Chanta Haywood 19:54
way they are. But you know, that’s one of the things that worries me, though, is with their use of. And their dependence on the computers and technology, and even with the onset of AI, is the impact that it’s going to have on our young people’s ability to think critically and to think analytically while they’re trying to solve some of the complex problems that they’re going to be taxed with solving when they graduate. And one of the ways that we’re dealing with that here at coffin, and one of the initiatives that Dr Jenkins is helping to promote is that we now have our honor students. We’re piloting it this year, but our honor students have gotten together, and they are identifying a problem that is prevalent for their generation and for their population, they’ve identified a problem, and over the course of the year, from their variant disciplinary perspectives, they are going to nuance this problem, and they’re going to try to solve it and offer some solutions to solving it, and they’re going to Create a social media campaign where they talk about it and they’re going to write about it and they’re going to write about it from their different disciplinary perspectives. And what we’re trying to do here is to address that concern that students had about workforce preparedness, and also combat what we are concerned about, which is their dependence on technology and AI, and then still force them to be able to think critically about it and solve some of these problems. So that’s one of the ways that we are trying to be deliberate about combating one of one of these issues that we see confronting this particular generation of students is that that’s got to
Nestor Aparicio 21:41
be wildly different than when you began teaching Zora Neale Hurston work. And by the way, I read Their Eyes Were Watching, God, I actually read it. I didn’t cliff note it. I Cliff noted He’s looking at you. I But I did. But to your point, the a high part of this, from a teaching perspective, I’m thinking they used to sell turn papers on the black market back in my day, 40 years ago, yes, now it’s like doing your own work, doing your own thinking, right? Because all of it is accessible. I mean, I remember when calculators came along, we were all worried about how we were going to do math, because it just became so easy to push a button and not calculate it, and the thinking part of that. But when you were teaching that sort of literature in your rookie year, three, four years ago, of teaching young people that it would move to this during your tenure as really a professor, but more than that, as a provost. Now it’s
Dr. Chanta Haywood 22:35
very it’s very different. And to give you an idea of how long I’ve been doing it, I remember when I first started as a professor, years ago, in 1995 96 at Florida State, I had a there’s a student I had, and now his son is at Florida State, to give you an idea. And I’m thinking how different it is from when I was teaching them from the book, from the Norton Anthology. We’re reading the stories, I mean the text. We’re talking about it. I still have the book. Anquan Boldin was one of my
Nestor Aparicio 23:14
There you go. Back shoulder. I wrote a book will about him. And let
Dr. Chanta Haywood 23:19
me tell you, he was one of my students, and one day he was at the White House Easter Egg Hunt one time that I went to, and I’d taken my family, and I saw him, and we he recognized me right away. And I go and my son, when I tell you my stock rose as a mom with my son because she he
Nestor Aparicio 23:38
we gotta ask you back to the cop and say, Canvas is what we need to do. Look, look
Dr. Chanta Haywood 23:42
Anwar, I still have the blue book that he wrote his test questions out on when he was in my class. So now imagine if his son, or if his child was in my classroom, were in my classroom, now I would be giving him or her a test in a completely different way than I did to Dad, you know, writing on a blue book. And now everything is remote, and everything is on the computer, and they have access to technology. So teaching has has really changed, but what has remained consistent is my challenging them to think beyond the box. Not two minutes
Nestor Aparicio 24:20
ago, you had me coming back to cop, and I was getting a career away and go into the future of AI and computer science, maybe, maybe do something with my life at this point. But you should come now. I’m getting to tell you, I’m all intimidated by the technology curve,
Dr. Chanta Haywood 24:34
and we have the best faculty members here who can make sure that when you finish that degree, you will be ready for the world.
Nestor Aparicio 24:41
Well, my writing would be a lot better than it was, and my writing wasn’t bad back in the day. But I think I’ve, I’ve improved with my wisdom as the gray comes in here, and to your point when you live a little bit, when you’ve, yeah, when you’ve been in Churchill’s bunker, when you’ve been in and for this bedroom, after reading stories about it and living it a little. Bit and, you know, seeing what the pyramids look like and what it took to build them, right?
Dr. Chanta Haywood 25:03
I went back. I went back and read and looked at some of hurston’s work. Since I walked around the corner to her house, you know, I’ve gone back and I’ve looked at some of Frederick Douglass’s work, knowing that he worked. He was a sleeve on the ships here in Baltimore, going back and looking at some of Harriet tubman’s contributions to history, having gone to where she lived, when I went to on the Eastern Shore,
Nestor Aparicio 25:31
that’s an incredible thing to do over there, that whole trail, it’s such a beautiful part of our state, really being passed by the black water. Just all of it. You could spend three four days down there. Never see the same never see the same bird twice. Yeah. I mean, just, it’s a beautiful part of our our state. It
Dr. Chanta Haywood 25:47
really is. And so I’m enjoying that part of just getting to know Maryland the way that I am rich history
Nestor Aparicio 25:55
here. Yes, there’s no question, especially for someone like you on the writing side of Edgar, Allan Poe and HL Mencken on my side, working at the sun, it has been a pleasure to get to know you a little bit. I gotta let you go back and be the Interim Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs. Can’t hold you forever. Dr Shante Haywood is here as part of our partnership with COVID State University, getting to know people here in the community and folks coming through. We are very appreciative. Dr Jenkins and everybody over the whole team over there, and all we do with with flagship radio, with sports, we’re trying to move to the community and talk about things, hey, I love, you know, being a English guy and being a communications guy and and joking about the the cliff notes I read versus the books that I read, it was always the books that I read. I mentioned Catcher in the Rye, just, yeah, that I owe so much to my professors and English teachers. I’ve had many of them still with us back on the show to even talk at at larger length about. So what was the catcher in the eye really about? You read it when you were 15. How does it How does it change during the course of like and you’re saying you studied these authors from a century ago, and it still changes your perspective when you’re when you put the cook in the kitchen later, right? It still
Dr. Chanta Haywood 27:04
does. It still changes. And even my research is on black women who were preaching during and after slavery.
Nestor Aparicio 27:12
I saw your book on Amazon on that. That seems like a really heavy study that
Dr. Chanta Haywood 27:16
it is. But even even that has, my perspective has changed, because some of the work that some of them were doing was done here in this area.
Nestor Aparicio 27:26
We’re talking about citizenship, let alone vote rights, right, but we’re talking about things that did not seem possible time, right? That’s not to mention punishable by death by anything, but just that, that it, it was inconceivable that it was someone like you could live the life that you’ve led, absolutely,
Dr. Chanta Haywood 27:46
especially with some of these women, and with their whole humanity, their humanness being being questioned, and so you’re not even considered human and but to have the spiritual inclination that you’ve been called to preach, you know, it’s just, it’s just amazing. So getting the opportunity to know that they were up here, they were in Baltimore, they’re in Philadelphia, DC, and all these places, it really has has an impact on my perspective of them
Nestor Aparicio 28:23
well, and my two cents on the political landscape. And everybody knows my they know $1 worth, not just two cents worth, that we’re about to enter a period of time here where the people would want to ban those books. Yes, those books, and that’s got to stop that. That’s on our next episode with you and I get together. We’ll do that over crap. We’ll do that over proper crap. Don’t think that I forgot. Shout out to Haywood is here. I’ll even drag you over toward the Morgan campus, over to Cocos if we have to do that, or down to the Inner Harbor fadings. But we’re gonna be doing a bunch of crab cakes during the holiday. Gonna get Dr Jenkins come back out with us, as well as basketball getting going. I saw our basketball doctor, Larry Stewart, over at state fair about a week and a half, two weeks ago, over the west side of town as well. So big appreciation to all of our partners and everything that’s going on over copied State University. You can learn about their sports at COVID State sports com. You can tune in here at AM, 1570 and hear a bunch of things like that. But more than that, proper conversations about what they really do over COVID, which is educating young folks, make them get get them out into the world, get them employed, so that we can have a bigger, better culture here in Baltimore. We’re always working on that. She’s the Interim Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs. That is a mouthful. She’s now our friend and our crab cake conspirator at some point around here, Dr Shanta Hayward, I am Nestor. We do sports around here. We do a whole bunch of things. We do our Maryland crab cake to represented by the Maryland lottery, and our friends at at the we have the Raven scratch offs. There are no scented tickets this holiday season, I keep expressing my dismay to the executive director of all things, Marilyn. I did hold him accountable this week for not doing sent the tickets, and I said, next year we’re. Wing eggnog, just despite him and our friends also, if either multi carrier power Luke up back and forth from Owings Mills to downtown and all around as we get you ready for another ravens game this weekend, I am Nestor. We are W, N, S T. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, and we never stop talking Baltimore positive. Stay with us. You.
