Local attorney Chad Cos discusses American democracy, courts and checks and balances with Nestor at The Beaumont

Because it’s Smalltimore at heart, we hear and read the local threads of thought leaders throughout the community. Parkville attorney Chad Cos joins Nestor at The Beaumont in Catonsville on the Maryland Crab Cake Tour to discuss law and order, checks and balances and what’s happening in American democracy with the ignorance of accountability beyond tribal politics. Oh, and about The Constitution…

Nestor Aparicio and Chad Cos discuss American democracy, courts, and checks and balances. They reminisce about attending a Bruce Springsteen concert and share personal anecdotes. Chad expresses concerns about the erosion of civil liberties, the politicization of the Supreme Court, and the weaponization of justice. They critique the former president’s actions, including his attempts to undermine elections and the insurrection. Chad highlights the importance of free speech and the dangers of gun proliferation. They also discuss the economic disparities between red and blue states and the need for better leadership and civic engagement.

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Promote civil discourse and seek common ground, even with those who hold different political views.
• [ ] Stay engaged and continue to speak out against threats to democracy.
• [ ] Encourage others to be informed and active participants in the political process, especially in the upcoming midterm elections.

Bruce Springsteen Concert Experience

• Nestor Aparicio and Chad Cos discuss their mutual love for Bruce Springsteen and their experiences attending his Broadway show.
• Nestor recounts how he sold Chad a ticket for the show and their subsequent interactions.
• Chad shares his experience of attending the show post-COVID, describing the empty streets of Times Square and the difficulty in finding a restaurant.
• Nestor and Chad reminisce about their personal experiences at the concert, including emotional moments and the atmosphere of the show.

Memorable Social Interactions and Injuries

• Nestor and Chad recall a social gathering at Nestor’s house, where Nestor accidentally cut his foot with an ice pack.
• Chad recounts the incident, describing the pain and the chaos of the party.
• Nestor shares a humorous anecdote about inviting many people to the party but only a few showing up.
• They discuss their experiences attending car races, including the Indianapolis 500 and Dover, and their impressions of the events.

Political Discussion and Constitutional Law

• Nestor introduces Chad as a mouthy attorney who loves discussing constitutional law and due process.
• Chad expresses his concerns about the current political climate, particularly the actions of the former president.
• They discuss the implications of the former president’s actions, including his attempts to undermine the election process and the insurrection.
• Chad criticizes the former president’s lack of respect for the Constitution and his efforts to maintain power.

Civil Liberties and Retribution

• Nestor and Chad discuss the retribution faced by former administration members and the broader implications for civil liberties.
• Chad highlights the historical context of similar actions, such as the Red Scare and McCarthyism.
• They discuss the current state of the Supreme Court and its role in upholding civil liberties.
• Chad expresses his frustration with the weaponization of justice and the targeting of academics and journalists.

Social Media and Misinformation

• Nestor and Chad discuss the role of social media in spreading misinformation and shaping public opinion.
• They highlight the dangers of echo chambers and the impact of social media on political discourse.
• Chad criticizes the media’s role in failing to hold the former president accountable and the consequences of this failure.
• They discuss the importance of maintaining trust in institutions and the challenges posed by the current political climate.

Economic Impact and Political Divide

• Nestor and Chad discuss the economic impact of political decisions, including the effects of tariffs and tax policies.
• They highlight the disparities between red and blue states in terms of economic contributions and the consequences of these disparities.
• Chad criticizes the former president’s policies and their impact on the economy, particularly on working-class Americans.
• They discuss the broader implications of these economic disparities for the political divide in the country.

Gun Control and Public Safety

• Nestor and Chad discuss the issue of gun control and its impact on public safety.
• Chad expresses his concerns about the proliferation of firearms and the potential for violence.
• They discuss the role of guns in mass shootings and the need for stricter regulations.
• Nestor shares his personal experiences and concerns about the dangers of owning a firearm.

Education and the Role of Teachers

• Nestor and Chad discuss the role of teachers and the impact of guns in schools.
• Chad expresses his skepticism about the idea of arming teachers and the potential dangers it poses.
• They discuss the broader implications of this policy for school safety and the education system.
• Nestor shares his thoughts on the importance of maintaining a safe and secure learning environment for students.

The Future of Democracy

• Nestor and Chad discuss the future of democracy and the importance of maintaining a strong and functional government.
• Chad expresses his optimism about the country’s ability to recover from the current political climate.
• They discuss the importance of voting and participating in the political process to ensure a better future.
• Nestor emphasizes the need for continued vigilance and activism to protect democracy and civil liberties.

Personal Reflections and Final Thoughts

• Nestor and Chad reflect on their personal experiences and the lessons they have learned from the past few years.
• They discuss the importance of staying informed and engaged in the political process.
• Chad shares his thoughts on the role of lawyers in advocating for justice and protecting civil liberties.
• Nestor expresses his gratitude for the conversation and the insights shared by Chad.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

American democracy, courts, checks and balances, constitutional law, due process, civil liberties, insurrection, political violence, Supreme Court, free speech, gun control, social media, election integrity, Trump administration, civil war.

SPEAKERS

Nestor Aparicio, Chad Cos

Nestor Aparicio  00:00

Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T. Am 1570 to Baltimore. We are Baltimore, positive, positively looking out the window here in beautiful Catonsville, Maryland. We’re in the 21228, where life is great. I am doing a Maryland crab cake tour. Is all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery at Raven scratch off. These are fresh off the printer. It is fall. Is football season. Luke is out knowing mills. Any breaking news happens first in our W, N, S, T tech service that is brought to you by Bill Cole and Cole roofing and Gordian energy, our friends at GBMC are powering me up to get me out on the road. I have my appointments, my colonoscopies. We talked about acid reflux, been talking about a lot of things here, but nothing more important than I call it seventh grade social studies. And Don molder would stand behind that as he lives about 10 blocks from here in the heart of Catonsville, here at the Beaumont Chad cost has become my friend through Facebook. Bruce Springsteen, I don’t know how I know him. I just sort of know him through the internet. And I said to my wife today said, I’m bringing on a mouthy attorney who loves to talk about constitutional law, and you know, things like due process, things like checks and balances, things like the constitution. So check cause is here he one time I fully want to admit that I really do know you through selling you a Bruce Springsteen ticket on Broadway that was randomly left over, and I hope you enjoyed the show.

Chad Cos  01:23

That was a terrific thing. It’s one of the best things that I’ve had an opportunity to do for years. I’ll never forget. It really good seats, by the way, but that was different than what you would get from a stadium show, right? Just Bruce up there by himself with a guitar,

Nestor Aparicio  01:37

and you saw the first tour, right? It was before covid. You went, right? It was the early one, right?

Chad Cos  01:41

It was actually at the first show that they had after covid. So it’s kind of weird. You’re in Times Square and that type of thing. And all the restaurants just closed. It was empty, so you couldn’t even get, you know, there was like, one or two restaurants you could get into. And in fact, I told the story not long ago. I went up by myself for the entire things. They had the single ticket, and I’m looking to make reservations. And some places are like, Well, you can’t make one for one. So I told them I had two, and somebody just didn’t show, right? So one way or another, ended up getting good meal too. But the show was fantastic.

Nestor Aparicio  02:13

So you saw the second iteration. We talked about his mom and stuff. So I saw it the first time around. Chris Emery of 100.7 had a pair of tickets. He was just trying to get rid of the first time around. I felt really lucky, like and it was I saw maybe the sixth or seventh show, the first run, and then the second time around, when they went on, I’m like, I’m gonna go see it again. And I bought a single because my wife’s like, I already saw it. And the time we went, those seats at Emory sold me there was a lady sitting next to us to talk during the show. You don’t talk during Bruce Springsteen, and you don’t talk during Bruce Springsteen on Broadway, and you don’t talk at concerts. So anyway, so my wife’s like, I saw it. I don’t want to go back. It was expensive. You go have fun. So what happened was I bought a single and you and I was going to go alone, and then this incredible pair came unto me, and I bought another pair, and I dragged her back up to see it again. And I loved it so much that I went back two weeks later alone, and I got, like, a really good seat, and I had a really good sob with Bruce that night. You know what? I mean, I tell you, did you sob?

Chad Cos  03:15

It’s an emotional thing, right, right? I mean, seriously, the entire story, the way the entire thing is constructed. Everything that he did biographical, in a way, even more than that. But yeah, it’s a sacral what you’re sitting next to somebody in a show like that. That’s so

Nestor Aparicio  03:30

that’s the basis of our relationship as I know it. I sold you a Springsteen ticket at face value because I’m a friend, and you had a great night, and you thanked me. But I have we met before today?

Chad Cos  03:40

I think one time actually not. I don’t think I was over at your place not long ago, and we watched the Grand Prix from up. You were my place in Baltimore. I was there years ago. You were in my home, right? It was easy to see because Baltimore, you know, wisely, tore

Nestor Aparicio  03:56

out like I remember that day. I invited a lot of people. I remember Brian kowitz was at the house. His boy is now on TV out in Tucson from Heller kowitz insurance. Not everybody wanted to come down for that man like it was, but I had the 23rd floor. I lived on the 23rd floor, and we took all of our furniture out, and we had a cocktail party, and not as many people came as I thought. And my wife accidentally dumped ice on my foot, and I cut my foot open that afternoon. I remember you were there. I was bleeding all over the place, yes, yeah. So I don’t have a great memory of that. I remember feeling like I was getting a tetanus shot.

Chad Cos  04:32

That’s all I remember. Well, yeah, yeah, you busted up pretty good. I limped for a

Nestor Aparicio  04:36

good two months after that one. Yeah, that was, was like

Chad Cos  04:39

a 40 pound bag. It was really number one. So this big, it

Nestor Aparicio  04:43

was one of those ice packs that’s in packing that had the sharp edge. So it was like maybe an eight pound block of ice that was more like an ice pick. And it hit me between my metacarpal tarsal but the. On my foot, on my left foot. I can feel it right now. It hit me between my second and third. Toe Straight down, and it sliced my foot up. This happened 10 minutes before the race started. Right? I mean, the house was packed. I’m bleeding like a stuck pig. My wife’s trying to, like, get people drinks. And I’m like, Dude, I’m over here dying, and I was bleeding into the drain. Yeah, the IRL, I’m glad they had it here. Well, I hope you enjoyed the view.

Chad Cos  05:25

Chad, it was an unbelievable if you could see the entire thing again. Both were cutting down all the trees for the event.

Nestor Aparicio  05:33

I thought I was gonna be in trouble everything. But you love the room. Rooms. You like cars. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was a good time. So you been to Dover? I’ve been to Dover. See that’s the other room for my I’ve done well, three room rooms, because we had two races, right? So we had to downtown, around my house, and then I went to Dover. I’ve kissed the bricks at the Indianapolis, but I didn’t go to the race. I was there for the super it was a party, but I’ve been to, let me tell me, you’ve been Indianapolis 500 No, I’ve never been dude that tracks outrageous. I mean, because if you’re used to race tracks, horse race tracks, it’s just, I mean, even Dover’s the Miracle Mile, monster mile, whatever they go like that thing in Indianapolis is like, no, it’s like Patterson Park. It’s just this gigantic thing,

Chad Cos  06:12

enormous and scale of everything, you know, with the crowd, the stadium structure, and everything in the infield and everything else, but

Nestor Aparicio  06:19

Dover, for me. It was really loud. It’s all like, I remember it being really fast, like, my eyes couldn’t follow the cars. But I also remember, like, 15 minutes in, I’m like, I don’t know who’s winning who’s losing. These cars are going a million miles. It’s probably better on television for me. But like you like it? You Yeah, yeah. Twice a year they still race down there. I think they do

Chad Cos  06:41

twice a year. Still, all

Nestor Aparicio  06:42

our members took hours to get in, hours to get out. 130,000 people. I was bud sponsored at the time, and we had, I had not Ricky, Bobby, Bob, Bobby, Ricky, Ellie, Elliot, Bobby, Ricky. Bobby, I don’t know. Yeah, that’s right. Ricky. Bobby, I don’t know, you know, if you’re not

Chad Cos  07:03

first, your last shake and

Nestor Aparicio  07:04

bake, maybe check causes here. So you’re an attorney, and I don’t know you that well, other than the Springsteen thing, and I thought maybe I knew you through football or something, and you’re telling me you were at my house for a car race or a car race. I thought it had been ravens or something like that with you, right? Usually, that’s what it would be. Well, you’re mouthy on the internet about the Constitution and about law and about seventh grade civics. I just want to give you the platform, because as citizen, Chad, Facebook friend, Chad, mouthy, attorney, Chad, I’m as appalled by I just, I can’t believe there’s an audience for this at this point. This this deep into this,

Chad Cos  07:40

you know, I can’t believe there was one after the first term, right? You know, right? I mean, there were a lot of liberties taken at the time, and as I tried to explain to people, friends and whatever else, first time around, he didn’t know he was going to win. He didn’t even have a victory speech that night. So he didn’t have the mechanisms in place, and he didn’t have the personnel in place to really implement the types of things that he wants to do, which really, at the end of the day, I think at this point, it’s difficult to argue otherwise, he’s out to have some type of continuous power. Long after the term, he has no respect for the Constitution in any way, shape or form. I think we’ve seen that time and again, especially. But the things that are happening in this term, but, you know, they put out the project 2025, thing, and over the course of four years, almost that four years in which he wasn’t president and Biden was, gave them the time to really mechanize exactly what they wanted to do, as far as destroying civil liberties in this country and to preserve his ability to hold on to power indefinitely, that is the number One thing for him at first. I think the motivation, in many ways, was to avoid criminal liability for his misdeeds.

Nestor Aparicio  08:47

Well, the first time was ripping the post office apart to throw the election exactly, and then being on the phone, intimidating an election official. Should put, you should, would put a I’ve had so many I had Pat young coming here, Pat, if I have you on the phone and you’re called down in Annapolis, intimidating the election official about whether you win the Baltimore County like you’re expecting to go to prison, right? Like, right, we would all expect to go to prison for that, right? Any elect, any elected I’ve sat with, said that unto itself, is just That’s not normal. We should never accept that as normal. But the insurrection, in a general sense, was a failed coup. To think that you’re going to come back in and have someone that would stage an insurrection, that would then relinquish power, is inconceivable. It’s inconceivable.

Chad Cos  09:36

No, in this country, you never thought you would see anything like that, you know, and at the end of the day, you look back on it now, and you know, there are a lot of people I think you can hold responsible for that. Mitch McConnell would be one of them who, now that he’s retiring, it’s amazing, by the way, how people are more liberal in the way they speak about these things when they don’t have to run for election again, but all they had, or when they write books, right, right, right, or whatever it might be, I wouldn’t say that. He’s very outspoken. Right now about anything else?

Nestor Aparicio  10:01

Well, there’s nobody that was in the first administration that would ever there’s no cabinet member. There’s no deposed cabinet member. There’s no staffer. All the females that ran PR for him, other than the governor of Arkansas, they’ve all spoken out about, I mean, the John Bolton’s of the world, just John Bolton’s getting his house raided a couple right? The retribution part is far beyond anything we’ve seen since McCarthy, for sure, right?

Chad Cos  10:32

Certainly since then, you know. And look, it’s not the first time this country’s been through some things like this, right? We had the Red Scare and whatever else that gave license to people like McCarthy to be ideologues and everything else. But now

Nestor Aparicio  10:44

the way to Congress, in a way, and a bought off Supreme Court is just a different thing.

Chad Cos  10:48

No, at the end of the day, the entire thing right now is constructed for him, right? You know, I often hear Republicans and often hear conservatives talk about how, Oh, we don’t have this, and how we don’t have that, and the country’s going to this and whatever else, but you’ve got the courts, you’ve got both chambers of commerce, of Congress, you’ve got the presidency. What more is it exactly you think you ought have right? I mean, outside of absolute, unlimited power, and when they didn’t convict him after the first time, when he threw the insurrection and they didn’t convict him. That was the out for everybody. He wouldn’t have been able to run again. The 14th amendment would have precluded it, right? He participated in the insurrection. And I look at some of the other people you know one well, the impeachments didn’t work. No, the impeachments didn’t work. And the first impeachment should have worked, because that’s literally, you’ve overstepped what

Nestor Aparicio  11:40

we want a president United States, we’ve all agreed the power of a president should be in this country, right? He’s what an executive order

Chad Cos  11:48

is, right? He’s soliciting another country to engage in a false allegation and a false investigation for a political gain, and in exchange for that in one way or another, either withholding aid to them when they’re under duress, right, or otherwise warning other governments precisely,

Nestor Aparicio  12:03

really, a core fundamental value that he has shown at every level of business for four decades,

Chad Cos  12:12

at every turn, transactional in that type of way, you know, the way stuffs contractors. It’s not that he walked into the presidency, by the way, where he had this track record of being a good citizen in one form or another. And often hear people lived in New York at the time, or have ever encountered him in one way or another, they regarded him as a joke, right, sure, but not a serious type of person. But he caught fire, you know, after you know, well,

Nestor Aparicio  12:37

the ideology is really what the issue is. Because when I argue with the Maga people online. They don’t and Dan Rogerson, I said, I mean, anybody who follows my timeline knows what the trolls look like and what the talking points are, but like just seeing Murdoch’s kid sitting with Goodell at the football game right walk literally last night, yes. And I’m thinking to myself, this is just so not good.

Chad Cos  13:02

No, it’s beyond the pan, so not good. And you know, to skip ahead in the story here a little bit. I mean, look at what’s happening right now. Today, they are using the Charlie Kirk murder, if you will, which, by the way, never would endure silence is any type. You know, that’s not what this country was founded upon. I find I don’t want

Nestor Aparicio  13:19

people to have machine guns to be able to murder people. I’ve been on that for 40

Chad Cos  13:23

years. Been on it for referral, and now they’re using Kirk, in one form or another, as some type of rallying cry, where now they’re actively looking I heard the Attorney General of the United States of America today talk about how they’re going to investigate and go after liberal organizations, talking about how they’re going after Antifa. For your listeners that have heard that term many times before, there is no such organization. There’s not a meeting. Nobody’s going in a convention hall, simply referring to people that are against fascism. Some of them have acted badly. But when we talk about political violence and that type of thing, statistically speaking, someone said it’s five to one,

Nestor Aparicio  14:00

or if we’re talking about murders in Baltimore, Maryland versus red states where people are poor, right? You know, I mean, the red states are the ones that don’t make money, they’re the ones that use most of the taxes. I’m going out to California here this week. California is, you know, fifth biggest economy in the world, right?

Chad Cos  14:18

Per capita, the crime rates, especially violent crime rates are far higher in red states than they are in blue states. And for Trump to sit and talk about places like Washington, DC and Baltimore, in particular, Baltimore had, I think, seven or eight murders in all of August. That was the lowest surrounding month in recorded history. Talking about sending the militia in is insane, precisely. And when you have, I

Nestor Aparicio  14:39

lived downtown when they brought militia in after Freddie Gray that that’s not that this city’s I was downtown 20 minutes ago. That’s where I picked up my lottery tickets, right?

Chad Cos  14:49

It’s not that same thing with Los Angeles, right? They made it disappear the entire you know, if you watch any of the type of conservative news outlets and whatever else, they acted like, the entire city was a black. These the entire protest was in a three block radius, active duty Marines into an American city. I often hear people act as if fascism and authoritarianism is something that’s around the corner. I need to break it to everybody. We’re here now. They’re troops in the streets of American cities, by the way, blue cities, I don’t see anybody sending anybody down to Arkansas, for example, where the murder rate is far higher, or Florida or Georgia, or any of these other states, right? It’s all to send a message of power, and sending people out military power, in particular, to intimidate people from either one participating in the political process, and also to send a message where these types of things, I think people have the idea, they all happen at the same time in one second, right in front of you, right there’s this enormous military Russian of half the country, and that’s how it happens. That’s not how it happens. It’s not how it happened in Russia, and it’s not how it’s happening here. Starts off at the edges, and they work their way to the middle, and people become more and more comfortable because it becomes normal to them. You know, the

Nestor Aparicio  16:10

FCC license here for 27 years is is here, criticizing the government, legitimately criticizing the government. Has never been anything that I’ve concerned myself with losing my license over because, as you’re a lawyer defending free speech and Second Amendment, First Amendment, every other amendment. I’ve never thought that that would even be possible. And you know, I mean, in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk, it’s you’re gonna lose your issues. You lose if you don’t take Trump’s side. I’m like, what?

Chad Cos  16:41

What’s wrong with you people? No, no, it’s crazy, especially with the Kirk stuff right now. Now, apparently, by the way I look, two things can be true. There shouldn’t have been any political violence against him, but at the same time, holding him up as some type of an idol or some type of good person, I think, is absurd. You know, he peddled in hate and in, you know what I would consider an ideology that’s not compatible with what the United States of America has long shown itself to be. And even the Attorney General of the United States today or last night, was talking about going after places like Kinko’s or office or depot or staples for just a mere act by the way of printing or reproducing flyers that somebody might have in which they said, Charlie Kirk’s not a good guy. What type of world is this? What country are we in? I don’t live in Russia. I don’t live in China. You’re going to go after the people that are just printing it, one the hell are you going to end up doing to the guys they’re actually writing

Nestor Aparicio  17:37

it, or those types of things, you know? What about, you know, I can’t read The Catcher in the Rye, right?

Chad Cos  17:41

Well, it may not be burning them yet, but they’re certainly banning them from libraries. The Library of Congress and Trump has done, done a number on these types of things where they’re having oversight of things like the Library of Congress, like when you look at what they’re doing, the Smithsonian getting rid of exhibits that he doesn’t like, getting rid of him as being somebody that had been impeached twice.

Nestor Aparicio  18:00

I have special people who work at the Kennedy Center. And I’ll tell you, it’s, it’s, it’s insane.

Chad Cos  18:05

It is. And then you see the turnout, obviously, you know, as far lower. And when I think about the Kennedy Center, and you know, I don’t mean to disparage anybody, I don’t think about going down to see Kid Rock, right, right? That’s not the cutting, all right? The Kennedy centers for the fine arts and for these types of productions, and to have him put himself and install himself as somebody that now is the chairman of it, right? And in fact, I’ve heard him actually reference to Kennedy Center as the Trump Kennedy Center. You go down in DC now you see these large murals that are hanging down from government buildings. It reminds me very much of what you would see in North Korea or China. And again, it creeps it doesn’t all happen at the same time every day. It’s just one more thing. And the other thing I think they’ve come to realize is that if you inundate people with this type of stuff, it’s another zone, right? It’s impossible to keep up with it. Epstein, Who’s he? Right? Two weeks ago, but who Epstein? Not familiar with him, never met him, right? And it’s more than a parent that that drives me crazy, too, when it comes to the Epstein stuff.

Nestor Aparicio  19:05

Well, to having a sitting elected murdered her husband, murdered her dog, murdered six weeks ago, and to have someone mentioned to the president, he says, Who is that? The lack of respect on a daily basis, from going back to 2016 going back to when I saw the debates and the way he spoke to women on the podium, that that could possibly be attractive to anyone in this country. I that that’s the part that’s still nine years into this. How could this be attractive? And how could you be proud of it? And I think that that’s the part in the Facebook world that I know you through, by the way track cause is here a local attorney. I want to let him talk about his attorney work as well, but I just know he was a mouthy Facebook friend of mine, and a guy I sold spring tickets doing a guy who was in my house on the day when I almost bled to death that I just stand shocked. I mean, I as a Venezuelan born I was born here, but as a Venezuelan. And blooded person raised in this white redneck family in Dundalk and Archie bunkers America in the 70s, and having all of that racism in front of me all of my childhood. And now have those same people. When I see them on Facebook, they have the F Biden trucks on the top of their bit. You know, their entire lives are turned over to this cult of political activism that never existed the first 50 years of their life because they didn’t they failed out of seventh grade social studies. They weren’t book readers. They weren’t newspaper readers. I worked for the newspaper. They didn’t even read it. So, I mean, I grew up in that environment, and to see them arguing constitutional law with me on Facebook. I just I can’t accept that sort of an argument with someone that thinks this is okay. There’s nothing about this, nothing about this. That’s okay.

Chad Cos  20:53

Nothing just ever what you’re talking about when it comes to immigration and whatever else. When did you think in our lifetimes? I never thought I’d see it, that you would see police officers or people that are government authorities walking around masked without without hiding their faces, no identification, just grabbing people and throwing them in the trucks.

Nestor Aparicio  21:12

People look like me, by the way, not like you, right? You look a little

Chad Cos  21:15

Irish. You know,

Nestor Aparicio  21:17

I just got a tan two weeks ago, which is problematic. I probably should stay

Chad Cos  21:20

out of the sun. This right here is a tan for me. You know, one day they make a little bit of something

Nestor Aparicio  21:27

there. So what made you such an activist on this other than the fact that you studied law and, I mean, were you a kid that likes social studies? I mean, sir, I I’ve been joking around saying you’re gonna come and give a seventh grade social studies cuz. But that’s really what all of these issues. They’re either dignity issues of integrity, of Are you honest? They’re religious issues. Of you say you believe in God and you believe in all of these fundamentally Christian propositions about integrity, about honesty, about or are you just an abject racist, right? I mean, like, and I I’ve seen this act over 10 years. I’m just blown away for our culture, the fact that we’re sitting here talking about this instead of football, isn’t it, is an incredible thing to me.

Chad Cos  22:10

It’s been quite a change over over the last few years, right? And I think one of the reasons for it, one, I think the media has failed us in many ways. I think they’re afraid of reprisals, right? You know when I start seeing media organizations, and, by the way, large universities that have always respected academic integrity and free speech and science, right, writing checks and major law firms, the biggest law firms in the country, when you look at these types of fascist types of movements, these are the people that you go after first, right, academics, reporters, right? Truth seekers, exactly. You go after those types of people, people with experience and with knowledge. Scientists, for example. I mean to the extent and so much of it is just petty, right? The entire reason to go after the National Weather Service or NOAA is simply because they put out a hurricane map that he didn’t like, that he tried to supplement with a Sharpie. Well, what’s been done?

Nestor Aparicio  23:03

Fauci after man, 70 years of his life serving people and a doctor, and you’re, you’re, you know, right? And turn him into a witch doctor, because you don’t understand biology enough to understand a virus? No, it was very clear that Trump did, had no reasoning ability, in 2020 to understand what a virus

Chad Cos  23:23

is. Oh, good lord, you know, but the entire injecting yourself with bleach or otherwise are going to, you know, black light, it out of your, you know, whatever it might speak your ignorance into, literally, but the Fauci thing, the notion, and I’ve heard people say this a guy that, by the way, prevented Ebola from spreading here, that was integral in making HIV and AIDS, something that is survivable. All of the greatness that this guy did over all these years, the notion that he laid in wait for 40 or 50 years of his career so that he could briefly inconvenience people to wear a thin piece of cloth of their mask during an airborne virus that has taken out over 1.3 million Americans is just grotesquely ignorant, and a lot of it comes from social media. These people did not have a forum in which they could reach right and also, they didn’t have the anonymity a lot of them, in which they could express these views. You mentioned Archie Bunker, most of us, I would think, would know that he was a parody that was meant to be funny. He was meant to represent something in the country that was outside of the

Nestor Aparicio  24:24

bound you know what’s even more amazing about him? And if we speak his name out loud, say Carol O’Connor, right? If you and I’ve shared a lot of these, maybe you’ve even seen them where he, at that time in his life, looks like Archie Bunker, because it’s 1975 and he’s on The Dick Cavett Show, or on a serious show as Carol O’Connor, and speaking about what Archie Bunker represents, what he’s trying to represent in doing this. And it’s so it’s incredible because Archie Bunker speaking against what a parody Archie Bunker was. Is in that period, 50 years old now. And you’re looking at you’re thinking, this is two, three years after Nixon. I mean, Nixon is a petty criminal compared to what this is, whatever this is. This is a biblical heisting of our country.

Chad Cos  25:16

It really is. So it’s almost the difference between loitering.

Nestor Aparicio  25:19

I mean, Nixon was just trying to stay in charge. And, I mean, I don’t Nixon was just trying to win an election and stay in charge. He, I don’t think he is bad of a guy. He’s he was, or whatever. This is a different level of assault, right, like, right? And Nixon’s thing was about the war for the most part, right? Like, he was in the middle of Vietnam that got caught up. And, I mean, I was a kid at that time, and I’ve read the history books, but Tricky Dick as he is, no. I mean, busting into breaking in for some tapes, feels

Chad Cos  25:48

like small potatoes. Trump tried to intimidate an election official on tape, and it didn’t No, like no no, 100 times worse than what Nixon did, 100 times worse, and then then engaging and actively encouraging people to ransack our capital and this entire battle on fact and truth. You know George Orwell, right? 1984 the most essential command is, don’t believe your eyes and ears. We all watched on January 6 in horror on live television, right before is what

Nestor Aparicio  26:19

happened. So the rest of the world, yes, and the rest of the world saw a reaction to that re elect the

Chad Cos  26:23

guy, right? And the same right? And the notion that you have people that now say that these were tourists, that they were down there just asserting their First Amendment

Nestor Aparicio  26:32

rights, having the United Nations not trust our country, I wonder that, and I

Chad Cos  26:36

also wonder about that in the sports context, right? 28 we’ve got the Olympics coming here. 26 we’ve got the World Cup coming here. If I were somebody from Brazil, for example, or Venezuela, I don’t know that I get on that flight here. How could you possibly, how can you ensure your safety, not, by the way, from somebody on the street, just randomly, but from the United States, federal government, right? I find it right. I think that these organizations are, what

Nestor Aparicio  27:01

they did to the Koreans down in Atlanta is unbelievable, right, right, yeah. I mean, it’s, it’s, I mean, they invite them over to create a plant, and then, and then, and then raid the place and throw them out. I mean, that this goes back to trust. This is basic relationship, 101, right, right. Can we be trusted in that way? Can we trust our government? And that’s the part that I just find the week after the Charlie Kirk thing, where the seeds of division have been sown for this civil war that no one sane wants no but the ones with all the guns want it somehow. And that that should be frightening to everyone,

Chad Cos  27:41

that should be frightening to everyone. But I also think that there’s a great deal of irony, and one I found a lot of these people over time to be sadistic in many ways. But I also heard them for all these years, proclaim, right. They all proclaimed, well, the reason why I need to have this arsenal at my house, exactly they got right, and when the liberties start eroding. I’m here to help defend them. Well, chief, where are you today? Right? When they’re Marines in the streets of Los Angeles and that their National Guard troops, by the way, that are essentially garbage men, that’s how we treat our troops. He deliberately, Trump went out of his way to commission them only for 29 days, so he didn’t have to give them the $2,500 bonus. Or being active for 30 you’ve got these people that are sleeping.

Nestor Aparicio  28:24

Jack, yes, yes, yes. Jack says yes. Jack said yes. Said yes to the lamb chops at the Beaumont Yes, sir. Nice seeing you, Mr. Antwerp. We got the Antwerp. It’s all out here. Having lunch here. I knew you’d say, yes. I’ll tell you about they obviously have, they a good taste, good

Chad Cos  28:47

taste in food, right? They know what’s happening here.

Nestor Aparicio  28:50

No one listen to this show. Nobody. Well, you know, you’ve had like,

Chad Cos  28:53

a million views or something like, something like your Facebook.

Nestor Aparicio  28:58

Listen, and that’s the thing about social media that I would say I put up something about the Ravens it might have if I put up something about Charlie Kirk, people are so much more interested in it in some way, right? And I, you know, I came at this from the baseball and football because I love my city, right? Like, and the whole like running for mayor thing in 18 was because I saw the city on fire, and I felt like we had corrupt humans running the city. I don’t believe Brandon Scott’s corrupt. I mean, I’ve sat with him. I mean, say whatever you want. You don’t like Brandon, whatever you feel about Brandon, I don’t feel like there’s an on the take, or he’s becoming a billionaire by being mayor. I think he’s a guy that worked his way up, that sought being to help the city, and whether it’s not an easy job, right? I mean, no matter who would have it, but that whole notion of me going into that lane was like, I love the city more than the Ravens do, or the Orioles do. They’re here like a commodity. You know, I live here, and when I hear the President, I’d states denigrating our city that should burr everyone up the way it would burr you up if you. Said some bad about the Ravens or about Lamar Jackson, you know, like, where is the real civic pride? Where is the real national pride that goes beyond like, what makes a community a community? You know, like, we land a pleasant living. That’s what we

Chad Cos  30:14

see together and for all the foibles and flaws of Baltimore. And you know, we could talk about that for a day. Look at what, what Scott has managed to do and the communities managed to do in reducing violent crime over a relatively short period of time, the murder rate is lower than it has ever been. Whatever they’re doing is being effective, and it reminds me, anecdotally, of one of the problems that we’re having in this country. I’m not going to reveal who it is or who he works for, but somebody in management at a conservative news outlet, and I raised that with him one day. I said, you know, last month, Baltimore only had four homicides. That’s the lowest on record. I turned on your broadcast and never mentioned it. You know what? He told me, if I did, they fire me, right? So there’s this control over what facts are at this point. And this is why social media has become so dangerous. You can write, so long as you got the followers, you can write whatever you want. And then what the right really has done is created this echo chamber where you hear it over and over and over and again. And even if your own eyes and ears tell you differently, people will subscribe to it, because when they think you’re coming from a trustworthy, worthy source, when you and I were younger, right, there are police stations, right? You had your Cronkite, you had your Jennings, your bro calls, and that type of thing. There may have been a little bend or a little lean and those types of things in one way or another, but you could always rely on the facts reporting the same thing, right, right? And there was a

Nestor Aparicio  31:35

legs on the table to give the integrity that this. You know, if bro calls reporting it and and Harry reasoners, if it’s across four, four stations, it’s real, right? Let us believe a man landed on the moon, exactly, literally, right, right?

Chad Cos  31:50

But you get Jesus, we usually hear that now that we didn’t land on the moon. And Flat Earthers, for God’s sake, the

Nestor Aparicio  31:56

day, I remember John Glenn down at the down at the congressman, sitting with somebody that’s actually done it right, he’s lying to us all along. Buzz Aldrin was lying to

Chad Cos  32:06

me. I doubt you. I know you have many listeners to believe it, but just to throw it out there to you, if the Earth were indeed flat, there’d never be nighttime. You know, there would be a light all the time.

Nestor Aparicio  32:16

I tried to explain that to the guy last week out at the Santas. It didn’t work. No, he was convinced the Earth was flat. No, because he was because

Chad Cos  32:23

scientists now are bad people. People with acumen and expertise are bad people, and they’ve all been purged from government. And, you know, this attack on civil servants bothers me a great deal. You know, acting as if they sit around, you know, scratching their behinds all day, and they’re not doing a thing for anyone. These people have given their lives in service to this country, not in the military type of way, but in serving us in the civil capacity, making sure everything runs on time, making sure you get your

Nestor Aparicio  32:50

Social Security plane tomorrow, I needed to land safely. Right, right,

Chad Cos  32:54

right. And you remember the first couple of months of the administration, right? They start lopping off FAA right, the air traffic control

Nestor Aparicio  33:01

in Western Maryland that voted for this clown, and then they have a flood, and then nobody comes to help them. FEMA doesn’t show up. We’re in America. We’ve had a tragedy. We take care of our own. That’s a Springsteen song.

Chad Cos  33:14

That’s exactly right, and we’ve always taken care of her own. But you look at California, look when they have the wildfires, and the first thing Trump does is refuses to give them any type of assistance. Of assistance. When you

Nestor Aparicio  33:24

look at the joke that is, and I say to my wife, we got to rake our leaves so we don’t have a fire, right? By the way, by

Chad Cos  33:28

the way, most of its federal land, and as if, by the way, what are you gonna you’re gonna

Nestor Aparicio  33:32

consign it. Anyone that would hear it would, if that guy was sitting at the end of the bar here, you’d say, that’s a nut, right?

Chad Cos  33:39

That’s just a nut, right? But crank is what we used to call something wrong.

Nestor Aparicio  33:43

Break the leaves so we don’t have Canadian forest fire, right? Right? Are you trolling me? Are you being you just don’t understand science.

Chad Cos  33:50

But here’s a here’s a statistic, and I’m almost positive of the number, and if I’m, it’s not right on, it’s almost right on this constant talk about blue states and cities and that type of thing being the takers in this country. State of California gives more than $85 billion above what they receive from the federal government every year. State of Texas takes 65 billion more than what they give. And when you look at the list of the top 15 states that are takers compared to the ones that are actually contributing economically to keeping the keeping the train on time, if you will, 14 of the top 15, I believe, are red states. Of course, they are. There’s far more poverty down there, and they’re also the people end up suffering far more with the Trump policies. You know, people that end up shopping at Walmart to make ends meet, right? Those are the places getting hit with the tariffs. That’s where the things from. China are coming in, those types of things. I hear Trump sit there talking about $2 gas. Gas is less, less than $2 grocery prices are lower where, not where. I’ve been, right? And people can see that with their own eyes and ears. They know it because they’ve gone to the grocery store. They’ve paid

Nestor Aparicio  34:53

for coffee this week. Chad, I think that’s because I’m getting nervous, right? If you’re

Chad Cos  34:57

gonna have good coffee, you better start

Nestor Aparicio  34:59

doing I can’t. You know, I can’t go through a civil war with bad coffee, you know. No, do

Chad Cos  35:04

that right there. I mean, you’re gonna, right? You’re gonna have to have a little caffeine to keep the flight going. That and fresh oats. For me, I don’t know who’s gonna pick the berries when they throw everybody looks like me out of the country, right? You have a little worried about that Well, you know? And that’s the other always worried about the bees. I’m worried about who’s gonna pick the berries, right? And you want to talk about civics and whatever else, the absolute dereliction of the Supreme Court of the United States is astonishing to me. They essentially had a ruling just a few weeks more or less endorsing the entire idea of racial profiling right, and eliminating these stays that lower courts have given that are well founded based upon long standing jurisprudence and permitting these things to go on for years before they get back to the Supreme Court. And it’s not just in that arena. It’s been in when it comes to free speech and whatever else. There are few people that you can point the finger at John G Roberts, Jr. I think he will go down. His legacy will be understood and at the in the annals of history as being the worst Supreme Court Chief Justice that we’ve had since Roger B team.

Nestor Aparicio  36:10

Can I ask you a seventh grade civics quest? Chad causes here, by the way, what kind of attorney are you? Tell me how to find you and all I give, give, give a little speech, because then I want to ask

Chad Cos  36:18

you about law. You got it. Chad cause, LLC, Chad Edward cause LLC, we operate out of Parkville, Maryland, been an attorney for 27 years. Do a lot of litigation work, trial work, whether that be personal injury types of cases, we do family law. Do a lot of bankruptcy work. Actually teach bankruptcy law to attorneys. I’ve been practicing that now for 27 years. And you know, essentially, I love being in a courtroom. I love having the opportunity to go in and make an argument to advocate for somebody, especially when their interests aren’t going to be heard without that type of help, right? I take great pride in doing that type of thing for clients, and they have a great number of clients that otherwise they wouldn’t be able to afford or wouldn’t be able to

Nestor Aparicio  37:00

have access, screwed, period, right? That’s literally, right. They’re already mad, they’re already traumatized, they’re already behind, they’re already hurting and physically, psychologically, emotionally, whatever it is, right? They’re angry, they’re

Chad Cos  37:11

all that, right? I’ve always laughed that, you know, the day that the guy that wants the power ball and wants me to help him structure his settlement, that’ll be the day that I will retire from the law for I will feel as though I finally had somebody come in, right? I always joke with people when they got a good problem, like, I’m glad to meet you, but I’m sorry you’re here, right? I mean, they’re coming in because they have a problem and some type of issue they need to have resolved, and they need a mouthpiece. They need somebody that’s going to go out and argue for them and advocate for their position. So I take a great deal with pride in it. I’ve done it for 27 years and

Nestor Aparicio  37:44

well, at a fundamental level, you go into the place where it gets solved, the court of law, whether it’s circuit, district, federally, whatever it is, and try to get a fair outcome for people in dispute, right, like judges are supposed to be. And in a world where neutrality is all REL, you know, relative, but when you start to believe as a lawyer, and start to see it and see law firms, my dear friend Charles Tobin defended the Associated Press. He also defended me in a case that was nefarious and silly a couple years ago as well, but I see what’s being done to law firms in regard to disbarring them, not allowing them in federal courtrooms. From a legal standpoint, from where you are, you just call that Supreme Court. You’re mostly concerned about that, right? That that’s the thing none of us will see, right? When these Supreme Court cases view it in Trump’s way, that would be unconstitutional in any other walk of life over the last 248 years, or whatever?

Chad Cos  38:51

Right? You know, for the longest time in my life, my entire life, and when I think for the first 249 years of this country’s existence, no man is above the law, right? Supreme Court pretty much ruled last year, yes, he is right. He’s immune. It’s kind of funny. I often hear them talk about going after Biden for this, or Biden for that, who never perpetrated such a thing, such a scam, on the United States of America. So Trump has immunity for whatever he might do. But the last guy didn’t, and you mentioned it before about some of the things you saw about the Biden, but the violence. I remember Trump reposting or retweeting something where somebody had painted on the back of their pickup truck what appeared, but didn’t appear to be it was Biden with, like, a ballgame, yeah, I saw it right, and with his hands bailed and everything else. But now you can’t go to Kinko’s and say, yeah, maybe Charlie Kirk wasn’t the great guy you’re making him out to be. We’re going to prosecute you for a civil rights violation, the weaponization of justice in this country and clearing out, by the way, the most reliable, most dependable, most experienced people you saw just recently with the Kirk issue itself,

Nestor Aparicio  39:54

I don’t know how to make it work at the FBI, and look at cache Patel and think that that’s a serious leader in my organization. Or what’s going on in social security right down the road, like Vince McMahon’s wife’s running education in this country? Yeah. I mean, that should have been a teacher of anything in her life. I mean, this Kook, this Kennedy Kook, right? It’s absolute Kook.

Chad Cos  40:15

I mean, that type of thing, and by the way, that ends up being gendering and ends up permitting the types of things that you’re going to see in Florida. I’ve seen a great study about that. I that. You know, Florida now is now not going to have mandates for children to have vaccines of any kind. I welcome everybody to go online and take a good look at what polio looks like, and what an iron lung would be, and what otherwise would be when you have smallpox or something to that extent. Right? We eradicated these things. These things, vaccines were a gift from God. I hear it about the covid thing. I’ll never understand it for the life of me. You can look at the charts, you can see the death rate plummeted. If there’s nothing else that Trump did in his first four years that you could hang your hat on and say, job well done. You know, remember Bush back in the day, bang up job brownie. It was getting those vaccines out. I don’t know to what degree he had much to do with it, right? I think the the pharmacy

Nestor Aparicio  41:05

tries to cover, he called it a democratic hoax, right? Called covid a hoax, a hoax. Yeah, he called it a hoax.

Chad Cos  41:13

So if you look at the statistics, and you actually look at the grass, by the way, Republicans and conservatives died at a far greater rate because they denied themselves the vaccine, and now they want to. You know, essentially, I’ve heard Kennedy say that banning the vaccine outside of people that have pre existing conditions, which I know a lot about that right now, it’s insane to me that we would limit our ability. And not only that, by the way, we’re also with a lot of these things. When it comes to science and technology, we’re turning them over to other countries. Right? When it comes to AI, for example, there’s a great thing that’s a story that I just read right now, with the chips and everything else that go into AI, we’re selling a bunch of them to Saudi Arabia and the UAE, right? Well, you can, you can trace the money, the billions of dollars that have gone into crypto coins for Trump and whatever else, his net worth during his presidency is going up from two or $3 billion to $8 billion now, right? In six months, right? It’s in the stun A Day in the Life of Donald Trump and as an administration, is it a chock full of corruption, right? Right? It’s all a grift. Everything’s a grift. We have a president united states. Imagine Barack Obama, imagine Ronald Reagan selling gold plated autographed Bibles, selling right selling shoes and cologne from the Oval Office. I mean, is this really what America

Nestor Aparicio  42:29

is? Well, the pit, you know, I had a picture taken down on Facebook of Hitler in front of the Volkswagen factory. And when I saw the picture, it was the day that he did the thing with, with Nazi boy down at the in the Oval Office. I mean, like, literally at the White House, right? They pulled up a car, right? And there is an image, not an image, video, of Hitler doing that with Volkswagen in 1936 like, like, I thought this is a left wing conspiracy. This is this is that Antifa putting out fake AI memes about Hitler and Volkswagen to compare Trump to Hitler. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hitler usurped Volkswagen and stood in front of Volkswagen, and the pictures were almost identical, almost almost identical. And on that day, I put the picture, not of Trump up. I put a picture of Hitler, a historical picture from a historical site of Hitler welcoming the Volkswagen people. Facebook took the picture of Hitler and Volkswagen down, and then, you know that steal, I literally, and I didn’t, I just put the picture up

Chad Cos  43:44

Nestor. What a, what a, what a pathetic display watching somebody like Tim Cook walk into the Oval Office with a gold bar. It’s a real sad commentary in America right now that the best political parody, or at least the biggest political statement you can get right now, it’s from two guys from Colorado who have a show about foul mouth, you know, elementary school children that right now is like the greatest where’s the leadership, by the way, from the Democratic Party? Where are they today, when there’s people talking about, like the Attorney General United States talking about arresting people for exerting their their free speech in this country, right? That’s something you thought would never go away here. You know, everybody’s a literalist when it comes to the Second Amendment, it seems, at least that’s what they say. They forget a part, the part about the well regulated militia. The well regulated part always gets forgotten, doesn’t it? You have freedom of speech in this country. This is essentially freedom. It is essentially political speech, right? You know, commercial speech, there may be a little different rules about some of the things you can do with that. But when it becomes an issue of politics, like you have with the Kirk issue that’s happening right now and the you know, Marjorie Taylor green, I saw her put something up today asking for a national divorce. I see them riling people up in a time when people should be settled down, we should be. Bringing people back down, bringing them back to

Nestor Aparicio  45:01

level. Well, I mean, Fox News asked Trump if he wants to help divide the country or bring the country together. He could care

Chad Cos  45:07

less. Couldn’t care less. Care less. Can’t imagine, can’t imagine any other president the United States saying such a thing at any time, much less at a time that

Nestor Aparicio  45:15

commerce would just go in and say, you’re gone, right? You’re gonna you’re just standing for, I mean, you know, John Harbaugh stood up, said, I couldn’t care less about the fans. They would fire him tomorrow, just on Faceman, right? And even if he doesn’t care about the fans,

Chad Cos  45:29

and even when we say that people that were ideological or more ideological in that highest office in the land, you could depend on them, at least, to pretend that they were a president for everyone. He doesn’t even, he doesn’t make that effort all like we were talking about before, after a disaster, whatever

Nestor Aparicio  45:45

mag is, right? He’s sure President to I’m like, Nah, no, you know, no. It’s like saying the Ravens or the Orioles are my team. They’re not my team. They’re They’re your, maybe your team. They’re a team I know a lot about and cover as a journalist. That’s a great that’s where I am at this point.

Chad Cos  46:00

That’s a great point you should bring up, and it’s almost at this point religion, right, right? I mean, seriously, take all in or out. Think about anybody you might have voted for in the past. Do you have flags adorning your house? Of those people in perpetuity, by the way, are you wearing T shirts they’ve made their identity into this person, right? And it’s a very difficult thing, dissuading people from acting the way they do, or buying into this nonsense, because everything about them is wrapped up in it. Now, it’s their whole identity. Nothing wrong, right? And Carl Sagan, I think, has a great remark about this that, you know, nobody wants to be told they’re stupid, right? They’re just going to double down on it. You know, even if you show them what they’re saying physically. Can show them what they’re saying with their own eyes and ears. They’re going to be reticent to ever admit that they’re wrong about something because it makes them look like a fool. Nobody wants to look like a fool. But at some point you need to start taking I think more people in this country need to start taking account what type of world we’re leaving for children, right for the younger generation, I’m delighted to see that a lot of them that kind of bent towards Trump in the last election, that’s completely fallen off

Nestor Aparicio  47:09

the Charlie Kirk things how appealing it is to young people. Yes, that message to friends of mine’s children in the last week that I’ve seen on my Facebook, and I’m like, that’s dangerous. Charlie Kirk had a very dangerous message. I don’t want him say I didn’t want the gun to be purchased that assassinated him. I’ve, I fought all of my life to make sure that that kid wouldn’t, that that knucklehead wouldn’t have a gun. No, you know, no.

Chad Cos  47:33

Any young can. And that campus, by the way, in Utah, they weren’t allowed to restrict people from having firearms, right? I mean, what do you think’s going to happen when everybody around you is packing? I don’t need to go to the Starbucks and have a guy with an AR on his back.

Nestor Aparicio  47:47

I don’t. I’ll just say this at the end for me, with the gun thing, like, even on my own, if I had had a gun all my life, I might be in jail by now, right? I might, I might be thinking about using it. If I had it, I’d use it, right? And if you use it, your life’s over. No matter what your life’s your life’s over. If you use the gun that you have at your house on another person, your life’s never going to be the same, right, whether you go to jail for whether you don’t, but your life’s going to be troubled if you use that gun, and, make no mistake, go up here gun tree, yeah, you’re okay, great. Use it one time for real, and I promise you, they’re gonna need a lawyer like you, or a dozen in whatever way. And the red lights and the blue lights come to the house, nothing good happens. At best, their lives are never having a good time on weekends, entertaining yourself and wearing your little ear muffs and feel like you’re in a in the streets of San Francisco, you know, or in Beretta on some television shows. I don’t, I don’t,

Chad Cos  48:48

I don’t know. I’m sure, anecdotally, that there’s some instance, you know, instances where somebody, you know, you always hear the notion, you know, the only thing that starts stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Nestor Aparicio  48:58

Where all these Hollywood middle school if everybody there had a gun, we’d all be dead by now, right? Like, literally, I grew up into all of that.

Chad Cos  49:04

Well, when I think of classrooms, the first thing I think about is crossfire. I think that’s a great idea. And then that movement for the longest period of time, where teachers look I had some very good teachers in my life, but I also had some teachers in my life I wouldn’t trust with a slingshot, you know, much less a potato gun, right? I don’t want them packing a military style rifle.

Nestor Aparicio  49:23

Amazing. Every teacher should have a gun. That was that. That was the explanation the first time he was president, right? I mean, this stuff’s batshit,

Chad Cos  49:30

no. And, by the way, contaminates the mind of children, right? How do you feel safe walking through metal detectors and and all the rest of it? This isn’t the way children should be growing up in a world that, you know, in the country that’s armed to the gills. That’s not the way we should be doing things.

Nestor Aparicio  49:43

Well, it’s been fun having, you know, this conversation with you. I wish we were having, like, more Springsteen or whatever.

Chad Cos  49:50

I hope so. Hope we get to do that some other time, in a better day, right?

Nestor Aparicio  49:53

Yeah, you know. And when Bruce comes out, I guess it does inspire me, and the music that we enjoy is inspiring. It’s hopeful, right? Lines that are hopeful, and a world that is hopeful, right? We sat here the last 45 minutes, and I don’t know what’s the solution, you know? What have we learned here? As we would say, or whatever? It’s just, you know, we need to do better. That’s all. We just need to do

Chad Cos  50:16

better. That’s it. We should demand more from the people that we elect, right? And be a little less myopic. Look forward into the future about what just what type of place we want to live in. Everything’s fine when it’s happening to somebody else, eventually they’re going to come for you. You don’t think so, but you know, people put their heads down, and I’ve often thought about and I’m sure you have, and many people long before this ever happened, they look back at Germany, back in the day, see how did so many people just go along with it? I feel that way now, good people, intelligent people, sensible people that I know that prior to him, I would have never thought they harbored such ideas. And now he just would go along with it, right? But they’ll go along with it now because it doesn’t adversely affect them yet, eventually it will. I can most assure

Nestor Aparicio  51:03

you that. Well, I thought I was white the first time Trump got elected. Now I realize I’m not. No, you’re not. Definitely not. Be careful, yeah, I’m definitely not.

Chad Cos  51:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  51:13

Chad cause is a local attorney. He once bought Bruce Springsteen tickets for me, and once watched me bleed to death in my condo during the IRL race decade ago. It’s great

Chad Cos  51:23

to see that you’ve made a full recovery. And I’ll never forget the concert ticket. It was one of the great things I’ve ever seen that little,

Nestor Aparicio  51:28

that little Pinky Winky bone in my foot. When I think about that ice pack coming down and me being like, that’s gonna leave a mark. No, I’m fair

Chad Cos  51:35

enough. That was a good distance from you, and I did hear a crash on the floor, so I know that whatever gotcha had some heft. It went,

Nestor Aparicio  51:46

Oh, you actually heard it hit. The hit, the hit, the grant, yeah, yes, it echoed. And then I screamed, yes, and then I left the room, and then I was gone from the party. As I remembered, I wrapped my foot nice. I took Advil. I was pretty traumatized. I realized, like, I had 40 people in my house, and I just said to Jen, I’m like, I can’t go out there right now. I just, I’m in too much. I’m gonna lay down and take a nap. And I laid down, and when I woke up, everybody was gone. I don’t know that was my whole day. I spent four months planning a party that you attended, that I don’t remember you being there, because only thing I remember is how much pain I was in that day.

Chad Cos  52:23

I don’t remember who won, but I remember him going fast, and I’ll never forget you hurting your foot. Those are my two, two thoughts about that

Nestor Aparicio  52:30

day. I had forgotten about hurting my foot until you walked

Chad Cos  52:33

in here. I’m sorry to be the you know, the bad tidings, but, but again, I can see every awful thing it happened to me. I got over it. The limp is going, you’re looking great.

Nestor Aparicio  52:40

You and I are going to get together. Trump’s going to be gone, and we’re going to say, it all worked out.

Chad Cos  52:46

I still have optimism about our country. It’s not over yet. But if we don’t start acting right with the 26 midterms coming up and everything else, I don’t know that we have a 28 election. That’s how important it is. And people need to start speaking out every way that they can and try to influence everybody, you

Nestor Aparicio  53:01

know, and that’s what I’m doing here with my FCC license. That’s right, freedom speech, freedom of lamb chops and delicious fried lobster tail. We’re over at the Beaumont. It’s all brought to you by friends at the Maryland lottery. I have Raven scratch offs to give away. I’ll be giving them away at the bar. We’re also gonna be joined by Councilman Pat young out here today at the Beaumont crab cake tour in full bloom, as is ravens football season and my dude, Luke’s going to be out knowing Mills as well for all that we need. There I am Nestor. We are W, N, S T am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, back for more from the Beaumont on the crab cake tour. And my thanks to Chad for being a great guest. There you go. One hour of seventh grade social studies. Huh? My pleasure. Thank you so much for having glad I paid attention to Mr. Schley and MS Simpkins class back in the day. You.