The Baltimore Ravens are a 7 1/2 point underdog at home against the Los Angeles Rams on Sunday and the weather forecast seems frightful. Luke Jones and Nestor discuss this week’s injury report, the Odafe Oweh trade and preview Matt Stafford and Puka Nacua visiting a wet and beleaguered Charm City and staying a while.
Luke Jones and Nestor Aparicio discussed the Baltimore Ravens’ trade of Adafe Oweh to the Los Angeles Rams, highlighting the team’s struggles with a 1-4 record and significant injuries to key players like Lamar Jackson and Marlon Humphrey. They debated the effectiveness of Oweh, who earned $13 million but failed to meet expectations. The trade freed up $7-8 million in cap space, potentially allowing for further moves. They also previewed the upcoming game against the Rams, noting the Rams’ potent offense led by Matthew Stafford and Cooper Kupp. The conversation concluded with a tribute to Captain Defense, a beloved Ravens fan who passed away.
- [ ] Evaluate Alohi Gilman’s role and how he can help the defense, especially in allowing Kyle Hamilton to play a more versatile hybrid role.
- [ ] Consider adjustments to the defensive coaching responsibilities or play-calling during the bye week.
- [ ] Identify any players who have taken a step forward this season and look for signs of life from the team in the Rams game.
Oweh Trade and Rams Preview
- Nestor Aparicio introduces the show and mentions his current location on the west coast.
- Luke Jones discusses the trade of Adafe Oweh to the Rams and the impact on the Ravens’ defense.
- Nestor and Luke talk about the weather conditions expected for the upcoming game against the Rams.
- Luke mentions the absence of key players like Lamar Jackson, Marlon Humphrey, and others, and the acquisition of Alohi Gilman.
Impact of Oweh’s Departure
- Nestor and Luke discuss the reasons behind trading Oweh, including his high salary and lack of significant plays.
- Nestor reflects on Oweh’s performance over the past five seasons and the detractors of Eric DeCosta.
- Luke explains the Ravens’ need for a veteran safety to play more three-safety looks and the impact on Kyle Hamilton’s role.
- Nestor and Luke debate whether the trade was necessary and the potential impact on the Ravens’ season.
Desperation and Future Moves
- Nestor and Luke discuss the Ravens’ desperation to turn around their season and the potential for more trades.
- Luke mentions the possibility of using the saved salary cap space to make bigger moves before the trade deadline.
- Nestor and Luke talk about the potential for a mini sell-off if the season doesn’t improve.
- Luke reflects on the impact of Oweh’s departure and the need for new acquisitions to improve the defense.
Ravens’ Defense and Injuries
- Nestor and Luke discuss the struggles of the Ravens’ defense, including the run defense and the lack of impact plays.
- Luke mentions the impact of injuries on key players like Marlon Humphrey and Roquan Smith.
- Nestor reflects on the Ravens’ inability to run the ball effectively and the need for better offensive line play.
- Luke talks about the potential for changes in the defensive coordinator role and the involvement of Chuck Pagano.
Rams’ Offense and Upcoming Game
- Nestor and Luke preview the upcoming game against the Rams and the key players to watch.
- Luke highlights Cooper Kupp’s performance and the impact of Matthew Stafford on the Rams’ offense.
- Nestor and Luke discuss the potential for the Ravens to win the game and the importance of turnovers and defensive stops.
- Luke mentions the importance of Ronnie Stanley’s health and the impact on the Ravens’ offensive line.
Joe Flacco’s Return to the NFL
- Nestor and Luke discuss Joe Flacco’s return to the NFL with the Bengals and the impact on the Browns.
- Luke reflects on Flacco’s career and his ability to still play at a high level.
- Nestor and Luke talk about the challenges Flacco will face with the Bengals’ offensive line.
- Luke mentions the unique nature of Flacco’s career and his ability to continue playing despite being a journeyman.
Ravens’ Season Outlook
- Nestor and Luke discuss the Ravens’ chances of making the playoffs and the importance of winning games.
- Luke mentions the need for the Ravens to find ways to win games with their current roster.
- Nestor reflects on the impact of the Oweh trade on the team’s morale and the need for better performance.
- Luke talks about the importance of the bye week and the potential for changes in the coaching staff.
Tribute to Captain Defense
- Nestor pays tribute to Wes Henson, also known as Captain Defense, and his impact on the Ravens community.
- Nestor shares personal memories of Captain Defense and his contributions to the team.
- Luke reflects on Captain Defense’s role as an ambassador and his impact on the Ravens’ early years.
- Nestor and Luke discuss the importance of community and the legacy of Captain Defense.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Oweh trade, Rams game, Lamar Jackson, Marlon Humphrey, Kyle Hamilton, defensive struggles, salary cap, injury impact, Cooper Kupp, Matthew Stafford, Ronnie Stanley, defensive coordinator, bye week, fan community.
SPEAKERS
Nestor Aparicio, Luke Jones
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are, w n s t. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are, Baltimore. Positive, positively, getting you ready for another Maryland crab cake tour soon. I don’t have any lottery tickets with me. I’m on the road. If you’ve been following me, you know I’m out chasing balloons on the west coast for my birthday. Was not, not expecting a W, N, S, T, text earlier this week, with a trade of adafi o way. Luke Jones joins us now. He is back at the homestead. He is out at Owings Mills, covering all things one in four, and the sky is falling, and Lamar still not practicing, and the rams are coming to town. And by the way, I’m, you know, I’m two time zones away, Luke, my understanding is the weather’s not going to be real good on Sunday for game day either.
Luke Jones 00:46
Yeah, that’s, that’s the early sign as we get closer and closer to Sunday. But I mean, maybe, maybe it’s appropriate, considering you’re talking about a one in four football team that, let’s face it, I think most people expect to be one in five, assuming we’re not going to see Lamar Jackson and Marlon Humphrey and roquan Smith and Chado B oozier And Patrick Ricard Kyle Hamilton’s practicing that that’s good to see has a couple new options on the back end of the defense with the ravens, as you mentioned, having traded adafe away and acquiring a low, he sounds like a loadie, a low he Gilman, who, once upon a time, was actually Kyle Hamilton’s teammate at Notre Dame, you know, he’s a few years older than Hamilton,
Nestor Aparicio 01:31
you know, so he has a link to him too, right?
Luke Jones 01:35
So, yeah, I mean, certainly, certainly he’s vetted in terms of the Ravens having some familiarity that they’re bringing in a quality individual into the building. But hey, we go back to mid May, right. Actually go back to the draft. Right? They drafted Malachi Starks. What did you hear me talking about with their defense? They can get back to three safety looks. You can get back to playing Kyle Hamilton closer to the line of scrimmage. A few weeks later, ardarius Washington tears his Achilles, right? And you heard me from mid May until recently, I think I even probably mentioned it at least in the last week or two, questioning why this team doesn’t have another veteran safety that would allow them to play more three safety looks and get Kyle Hamilton back into that hybrid nickel, dime linebacker, occasionally lining up as an edge rusher, because he can blitz like that hybrid role that he thrived in, really the first two and a half years of his career, until they had the issues last year with Marcus Williams and Eddie Jackson, where they had to pivot. So now you can one can certainly debate whether they needed to, truly needed to trade adafe away to get a player like that in the building. But we’ve also talked about the fact that O way was making $13 million and I don’t know what, what, what play stands out that he had made over the first five games. I mean, it’s just, it’s the reality
Nestor Aparicio 02:56
of, I mean, I go back five seasons and I’m like, I sure. I mean, I It’s not that I’m not a fan, or that I wasn’t into the project part of this, and this is, you know, where the detractors of Eric Decosta and I see you out there, Joe Enoch, would say, you know, this is a failed draft pick that cost a lot of money, that they put onto the field and sort of Got out of the way in off seasons of trying to do better than Kyle van Noy or then and listen with Clowney, they hit gold for the five minutes. They hit gold with a former one, one overall. Yeah, but that position was always his to sort of work into. Get Paid here. Be that guy here, be with zaderius Smith was, or some other guys that got away? Oh, I never smelled it. Never. I never smelled it, not even for a minute. Did I ever open this microphone and say, Hey, always coming on. I’m noticing him. I and this was with a really good team over several years where they won 12, 1314, games. I just am, I shocked that they don’t, I mean, I don’t know it’s Eric’s up on these kinds of things, as is George and the people in their building that they can identify and make a deal. Obviously, it helps when Harbaugh’s brother is the coach and one Ortiz is, you know, they don’t have to call out a family to make this kind of deal. Sure, it is a weird little in family deal for a one in four football team that is desperate. They’re desperate. Don’t tell John. I said that. But there is some real desperation about where this season’s going right now, right?
Luke Jones 04:29
I mean, there better be right. I mean, if you’re just sitting there saying, Oh, well, we’re one in four, probably gonna be one in five, we’ll be fine, like no that. And I’m the guy that will continue to say that the season’s not over, in the sense that you look at the post buy schedule, you look at the their list of injuries, matta BK is the only guy that’s out for the year. Can
Nestor Aparicio 04:48
they get to six and six? Can they get to seven and seven? That’s right, I’ll hear all that,
Luke Jones 04:52
but that’s why you need to have desperation here. That’s why, I mean, I think this deal is interesting from the. Standpoint of, you know, it’s kind of like one of those, what’s it called a Rorschach test, where, you know, some people right away said, oh, oh my gosh, the ravens are selling. And other people are like, well, OA wasn’t living up to a $13 million salary anyway. You weren’t going to sign them to a long term deal anyway. Whatever your comp pick was potentially going to be, probably wasn’t going to be much better than what you get, you know, the draft pick you got in this deal, plus taking into account it would be another year later that you would get that comp pick. So, and there’s also the factor that you clear seven or $8 million of salary cap space, could you use that to go make a bigger move between now and the trade deadline, which is still close, a little under a month away. It’s November 4, so there’s still some time to do that. Or if you lose, and you come out after the bye week and not saying you lose to the bears, but let’s say, heaven forbid, you have a couple more injuries that are notable, and you just start looking at this thing and saying it just, it’s not our year. You know, you kind of, you come to that realization in late October, let’s say, then maybe it is the first part of a mini sell off in terms of, like, Okay, what could you get from Mark Andrews, for example, right? So, so I think this could go different directions. But, you know, just to go back to o way, look, do I think he was a bust in the in the way that we talk about Kyle bowler being a bust or Matt Elam being a bust? No, did he? Did he live up to the potential that they were all excited about him fulfilling when they drafted him? Of course, not, right? And I think this is where we also need to recognize not all first round picks are created equal. I mean, he was picked 31st right? I mean, he was a couple slots away from being called a second round
Nestor Aparicio 06:50
pick. Well, don’t tell Lamar that.
Luke Jones 06:53
But my point is, no, no, I’m not going to sit here and say that I love that it turned out to be a great pick or anything like that. But it also wasn’t a disaster. He was fine. He had his, you know, he had his, I think what’s disappointing. And yes, he had the 10 sack season last year. But if I think back to the best adafe away moment in his four plus seasons, you know, four, four seasons, and then five games into a fifth I’d go back to his rookie year in the forced fumble we had in that Chief Sunday night game, right? I mean, go back and look at his potential. We’re talking about, right? Go back and look at his first five or six games of his rookie year. I think there was so much excitement at that point in time, not necessarily that he’s going to be the next Terrell Suggs, but this was going to be a an impact edge rusher for them, and that just never materialized. And I think what was telling and even though certainly, don’t get me wrong, I certainly made no mention on Monday or Tuesday, as we were kind of dealing with the fallout of this awful loss to the Texans. But if you looked at how his playing time was trending going back to the second half of last year. It was dropping. I mean, he was playing a career low 45% of their defensive snaps. I think that speaks to not really loving what he was doing against the run. And I think they were, I think they were doing this, and they did. They started doing this the second half of last year to try to see if they could draw out of him more of this pass rush specialist kind of role where it’s like, Hey, if you’re only playing 30 snaps a game, man, if we get a heck of a pass rush from you and those 30 snaps that are, that are going to be second and long and third downs, then we’ll take that. I mean, there are, there are guys in the Hall of Fame that spent a lot of, a large portion of their career, kind of as a pass rush specialist. But that didn’t really, you know, it didn’t materialize.
Nestor Aparicio 08:42
So I think it’s been harder with Matt abigay there too. That’s hurt that the line getting pushed around in general has put more pressure on roquan, more pressure on any veteran out there that’s not in the interior, three or four based on how they’re playing up front. Because when they’re getting pushed around like that, it just, it doesn’t make Buchanan or any of the rest of these guys better either. It really doesn’t.
Luke Jones 09:05
Yeah, I mean, it’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s a mess. I mean, I don’t know what other way to put it. You go back and watch the game, and you know this, I’ll go back and watch a game at least rewatch it once, many times, twice. And there are times where I look at games, even losses, even some of these fourth quarter collapses that they’ve had in recent years. And I’ll go back and look, and I’ll say, Okay, I thought that was really bad, but that probably wasn’t as bad. That was a little bit better than I thought this phase of the game maybe wasn’t. I went back and looked, you know, rewatched it. I felt no better rewatching it. I mean, you look at their defensive front, whether we’re talking about their edge guys, including OA, for that matter, or their defensive tackles, their blockers engaging and they’re are just being stonewalled, right? No one’s getting pushed. They’re not stopping the run. The run defense on Sunday against Houston maybe wasn’t quite as awful. As I thought it was, you know, from beginning to end, but it wasn’t good. Like, let’s be clear, like, when I’m saying that, that’s like damning them with some very faint praise. It also wasn’t Laramie Tunsil out there running around either. Correct, correct. I mean, Houston doesn’t have a great running game. So we talked about this. So what, what happens with this move? Look, do I think alohi Gilman is going to be this dynamic, sensational, roquan Smith, kind of Marcus Peters, kind of acquisition for them, and the way that you thought about those deals in season, no, but if he can give them some steady play, playing a deep safety, maybe ease some of the pressure on Malachi Starks, a little bit, who even admitted on Wednesday that there’s times when he’s still thinking too much out there. But you have those two playing more of the deep safety role. And then you can put Hamilton at the nickel, you can put Hamilton at the dime. You can just move him around a little more, because they need, they need some some splash plays here. Look, where’s Marlon in all of this. Well, I mean, he’s not gonna play until after, after the buy, but I think based on what they’re doing and what they’ve done at safety, and keep in mind, they also added CJ Gardner Johnson, who some Super Bowl champion with the Eagles. He’s on their practice squad. You know, where does he fit in? We’ll see. You know, I don’t. I’m not quite as convinced that that’s going to be a long term partnership. For one, he was just dismissed by the Houston Texans three weeks ago because he wasn’t happy with his role. And he’s kind of kind of hot and cold personality, so we’ll see how that works out.
Nestor Aparicio 11:32
But they don’t mind taking that on, do they? Well, I mean,
Luke Jones 11:36
you’re so desperate for production, right? I mean, you’re so desperate to find people that can make plays. I mean, it can’t get any worse. They’re on pace to give up the most points in NFL history in a single season. I mean, say that again, they’re on pace to give up the most points in NFL
Nestor Aparicio 11:50
history, and they’re injured and they’re bad.
Luke Jones 11:52
You’ve got to try some things like
Nestor Aparicio 11:56
for that. They’re trying. They’re not easy in you
Luke Jones 11:59
know? I mean, the OA move. I mean, people will say, well, they’re already desperate for pass rush. Well, what was he giving you? He was collecting a big paycheck every week. What was he really giving you? So I would say, I certainly hope that the money saved on OA, if, if, in fact, the Ravens can turn this around to the point where we’re not talking about them being completely irrelevant in the second half of the season, that they can at least be in the mix here, you know, in the way that even how the Bengals were last year, right? They didn’t make the playoffs, but they were still interesting at the end of the season. But in order to do that, you’re gonna have to make a move here, whether it’s an edge guy, whether it’s a defensive tackle with the thought that might be Gay’s career might be over, like I don’t know that, but when you’re talking in these terms, he may never play football again. So some of this is not just for 2025 but what is going to potentially be out there that you could acquire that can help you not not just the rest of this year, but the but next year, moving forward. So you know, can, can this saved cap space? Help you do that? I don’t know. We’re going to find out, or this might be the splashiest move they make. And, you know, if they lose, lose Sunday, come out of the buy and drop one or two of those roads. You know, they have three straight road games after the Bears game. They drop a couple of those then, yeah, the season’s kind of shot at that point, right? I mean that then you are talking about, you know what, even though that would be just past the trade deadline, I suppose. But you know, you’ll have an idea of whether this thing is looking any better whatsoever.
Nestor Aparicio 13:32
When oway went spitting on them on Wednesday after they dealt him out in LA, I was kind of shocked by that, and also saying he must have been a little malcontent to have have spice on his tongue being dealt out of a one in four into a place that wants him, into a place where he’s going to be relevant and have that fresh start that he wanted to have anyway, because he knew they were they weren’t signing him. So there is a point where, I mean, you’re a reporter out there, and I don’t need to tell you about Chad steel and like, what they want in the paper and what they want on the Internet, what they don’t but behind closed doors that that must, it must have been an easy deal for them to make, for him to be salty about kind of going somewhere else with another chance. It says to me that, hey, dude, we’re paying you 13 million. We were expecting a, we got B, we made you kind of a rich guy. We, we, you know, you want a lot of games here. That shocked me. That shocked me because usually the the narrative is, and I know better, is that Owings Mills is Paradise, and it’s the place everybody wants to play, and everybody. And, you know, I mean, there’s a long history, going back to Trevor price and even McCrary and and goose and guys at Woodson coming here 30 years ago and saying, I like to be in Baltimore, but it’s not for everybody. And oway was, Listen, I’m not making excuses for right play. We’ve been through that, sure, the fact that, if he’s this, um. If there was problems to get rid of him that he was happy to be dealt out. You know, that doesn’t speak well about the whole thing, especially when he was a guy they pay $13 million to and they said, we’re not bringing Clowney back. Van Nestor, have an old guy next to you. You’re the guy. We’re going to let you be the guy. Ah, I think they went out of their way for him a little bit and to get peed on on the way out. Look, it’s one thing for me to pee on. John Harbaugh, he’s done things to me. Oh, wait, I was shocked to hear that. I really was, yeah, I mean,
Luke Jones 15:35
unless there, I mean, I saw the comments. I mean, I didn’t see anything overly like, you know, it’s not like you said he hated the Ravens. Well, sort of happy to be out of here. Kind of thought, yeah, yeah. Well, and you don’t hear that a whole lot, for sure, but I also think, I mean, it’s also the reality of the business, right? I mean, there were some contract discussions in the off seasons, extensions, and they didn’t get far his clearly, his opinion and his agent and their thought of what his value was did not align. What’s
Nestor Aparicio 16:01
it reminds me of that tackle that went to Carolina, who was the guy, the offensive lineman that thought he was talking about Bradley Bozeman, yeah, yeah. Boseman thought he was gonna get $1 deal here
Luke Jones 16:13
and whatever. He never got that anywhere, right? Yeah. He’s still banging around, still playing in the league, but he’s not, you know, it’s not that guy.
Nestor Aparicio 16:19
Him as just so high. And I think, Oh, wait, they’ve come to the grand conclusion he’s just a guy. I Yeah,
Luke Jones 16:25
well, and you did hear me say over and over and over this offseason that I didn’t think they wanted to marry him, certainly at the price that he thought he was going to get, or what the market might dictate.
Nestor Aparicio 16:35
If he had six sacks right now and they’re selling one and not one and four, they wouldn’t have traded them, right? They wouldn’t have traded them. Speaks to my point where women makes guys happy, losing makes them unhappy. No, everybody in the building’s unhappy right now,
Luke Jones 16:48
yeah. I mean, of course. I mean, if you weren’t unhappy right now, I’d be questioning,
Nestor Aparicio 16:54
where are you? Well, the other part of this is they get sad every day, and they have to watch themselves play as much as we watch them once a week on Sunday, and you watch them two or three times, and you bitch about it, we sit here talk all week. They have to sit and watch that steamer from Sunday, over and over again all week long.
Luke Jones 17:10
And I’m holding up my phone right now. This is a very online generation that we’re talking about. When you’re talking about guys in their early and mid and late 20s.
Nestor Aparicio 17:19
You suck. You suck. Here’s the point.
Luke Jones 17:22
I mean, I don’t, that’s where I have, I have some empathy. Like, how do you guys deal with that? Like, get off of that stuff during the season. I mean, I don’t know. You know, I hate borrowing the Nick Saban rat poison a line, because, you know, he, he was more referring to the media in that stamp. But you want to talk about rat poison, it’s and I don’t mean fans that have good, normal intentions and are just disappointed right now. I mean those that get personal and really nasty, which, you know there’s, well, when the
Nestor Aparicio 17:53
Ravens lose the way they do on Sunday, I get hate mail. I had unusual hate mail Sunday night because these Jack wagons have nothing else to do when they’re drunk, and they lost the bet, you know, on Sunday night, other than to go up and, you know, I brought that, the young man from Buffalo up when Mark Andrews dropped the ball and he raised $164,000 with bills mafia for Juvenile Diabetes Research, stuff like that. That kid’s 1920 years old. These young people, they don’t know anything normal beyond this nastiness. And I think for the for the players who are of that age, one in four in that building right now, it’s just been a long time since John Harbaugh has had to look as humbled as he did on Monday. Like literally, you get the temperatures of all of these guys. It’s going to be like watching Trump and these criminals once they’re, you know, once their day is done and they’re going behind bars. Losing is just not something that they deal with well in Owings Mills, and I’ll say that out loud, because they haven’t done a lot of it. The Orioles, however, get accustomed to it to some degree. So we, we kind of feel that around here in some different way, but one in four is just not normal. And I think the trades, the desperation, the fact that Lamar is not playing this week, how empty the stadium got on Sunday and how, what an awful look people got down on me about that. Did the fans quit on the players? Or the players quit on the fans? The stadium was barren in the fourth I’ve never seen it like a preseason game. 30 years. I’ve never seen it like that. And I would think that that stirs bashadia, who went out and made an honorarium to the Boys and Girls Clubs on behalf of that great guy, Dick Cass who doesn’t believe in free speech. I saw that the other day too, but like they are in an overall damage control when it comes to selling all the seats that they threw you out of in the press box when they want $1,200 ahead to go to those games. One in four ain’t getting that done. Lamar not playing ain’t getting that done. Sort of a poorish kind of community to begin with, that they’re trying to get big money and trying to squeeze money out, and Sashi and all that this. This is, this is not good, and it’s not for everyone, sure. And people taking money away from the Orioles and thinking like, well, I’ll go see the Ravens because they’re good, all of a sudden that money might be going to Merriweather Post pavilion, or going to some vacation somewhere else, or coming out to Albuquerque to see the hot air balloon that I would highly recommend for their family. You know, yeah, whatever they’re going to do. But I’m, I’m concerned about where the ravens are right now in the aftermath of all of this, and what the next 1012, weeks are going to look like. I would say this. They did make this deal. That makes it look like, Hey, man, we’re not giving up. And that’s a good that’s a good message for the fans too, that we’re not giving
Luke Jones 20:39
up. Yeah. I mean, you would hope so. I’ll continue to say this. I mean, the team that’s coming in on Sunday that I think is going to handle the Ravens with the current state in which they find themselves, yeah. I mean, I don’t love the Ravens path to a victory. To state the obvious, I think you’re going to see that with the pundits and but who knows it’s the NFL? You know how Ill always said it right after the game. I mean, these injuries aren’t an excuse for us. Go look at what San Francisco did against the RAM. So you know, we’ll see if the Ravens can have any kind of similar good fortune. But I’ll continue to say that you look at the second half schedule, you look at their state of injuries, that they’re not all these long term, season ending injuries. There’s a path for this team to get back on track, but, man, you’ve got to start somewhere, right? And does this? Does this deal, you know? Is this the first of a couple deals they make? Is this the first move of some shock to the system that I don’t know? Does it include a change at coordinator, a change in play calling responsibilities, even if, if you don’t move on from Zach or entirely, does Chuck pagano get more involved in terms of that role? I don’t know. We’re going to find out, right? I mean, the bye week’s coming.
Nestor Aparicio 21:53
Oh, by the way, he’s not in the building. No, he is. He’s our secondary coach. Yeah, he’s, I saw something about like, you know, he’s on calls or something like that. That horrible said, like, it was just a quote that, no, really threw me out.
Luke Jones 22:07
That’s, I know, because I brought this up in the in the Monday press conference, because it was right around this time last year, if you recall, they brought in Dean peas, right? So I wasn’t necessarily saying, Are you going to bring Dean peas back, or are you bringing in someone from the outside? But hey, is anything being adjusted here, you know, or, well, the adjustment was, they tell the whole way for safety that came. But I think what you’re referencing, you know, obviously, I kind of asked what’s Chuck pagano’s level of helping getting this back on track, because he’s a past defensive coordinator, not just here, but he’s done it elsewhere. He’s a head coach, for goodness sake, so and a good man, Chuck right, are there, are there any adjustments being made in that way to see, to see what Harbaugh would say, and he he happened to, obviously, he said pagano is very involved. He and Zach are talking a ton as they as they would, even if things were going well, right? I mean, he’s a secondary coach, but he, he did volunteer that they’ve even had phone, you know, they’ve had conversations with Dean Pease, who’s not in the picture on a daily basis this year, like he was last year. So, but we’re gonna see.
Nestor Aparicio 23:14
When’s the last time pagano got in front of the media? It was, it was August, okay? It was August. I just haven’t physically I don’t even know what he looks like right now. I don’t, they don’t, they don’t show him on TV, you know, like, literally
Luke Jones 23:27
hands on. I mean, he’s coaching the secondary. I mean, I can tell you, he walked out to the field with CJ Gardner Johnson, who, you know, who they signed to their practice squad, who’s,
Nestor Aparicio 23:35
if you see him, all right, I’m not, I’m not allowed to talk to Chuck, even though he helped save my wife’s
Luke Jones 23:39
life. But, but it’s notable because if, if you are going to make a move at the bye week, you know, if you’re going to make a move with defensive coordinator, I mean, he’d take over, right? I mean, I Who else would it be? I mean, he’s, he’s the most logical candidate if you’re going to do that. And like I said, even if it’s some some adjusting of responsibilities, we’ve also seen coordinators basically be relieved of the play calling duties, but they’re still on staff, right? I mean, could they do something like that where they don’t want to fire and embarrass Zach Orr, but they say Chuck’s done this. Let’s try this. We got to try something different. I don’t know. Like, part of this is what does it look like on Sunday, and I don’t mean it has to be a win. But, my goodness, the opposition is punted twice in the last two games. You’ve got to get some stops, right? I mean, I’m not expecting you to hold a team to 10 points given the state of the defense, but you got to put up some fight, right? I mean, we’ve talked about that. I mean, that’s what I wrote, worst defense in the history of the NFL. Like, I mean, they’re really giving up 35 points a game, Nestor. I mean, this is, this is, and obviously it’s a different era, but this is 1996 kind of stuff, right? I mean, this is worse than that, and that was really bad. I don’t need to tell you that you lived it. You covered
Nestor Aparicio 24:54
it. I talked to Martin the other day,
Luke Jones 24:56
so, but you want to start seeing some. Things moving in the right direction, right? I mean, I use this line a lot talking about the or the Orioles, especially the Orioles back in April, May through early June, and, you know, they played a little bit better the rest of the way. But I use the term no redeemable qualities. There are no redeemable qualities that this defense is exhibiting right now? I mean, there just aren’t, and I get it, it’s because some of your best players are hurt. But we’ve talked about it. Marlon Humphrey wasn’t playing well. Roquan Smith wasn’t playing well, you know, Kyle Hamilton was. But can you get him back into a hybrid role where he’s closer to the line of scrimmage and you try to make a few more splash plays? Can you get a strip sack? You know? Can, can he knock a pass up in the air and it’s picked off? I mean, this team has two takeaways in five games. They have six sacks in five games. I mean, and people will say, Well, you know, if you take more chances, or you blitz more, you do this more, you might give up big plays. Well, they’re giving up 35 points a game. What they’re doing now certainly isn’t working. So maybe you do need to take a few more chances. And all right, you might get burned, but guess what is that any worse than death by 1000 paper cuts? You know, which I wouldn’t
Nestor Aparicio 26:09
say the coup is coming to town. So this is a chance for you to talk about the Rams a little bit. By the way, Luke Jones is here. You can find us out on social media. Well, let’s talk about the Rams coming in, because come Sunday night, we’re going to talk about one in five in the middle of a hurricane, one way or another, there better be some sort of the ball squirting out some miracles. I mean, let’s talk about Cooper rush. Let’s talk about what, what are they bringing to the field on Sunday that’s going to give them any opportunity to be two and four?
Luke Jones 26:37
Yeah. I mean, you just kind of said it. I mean, when you mentioned puka nakua, who, he’s got 588 receiving yards already. I mean, he’s, he’s on pace to do some historic things. I mean, he’s fantastic. We saw that a couple years ago when he came in for that game, you know, the overtime game. I mean, God makes some great plays. He one of my favorite players in the league is puka nakua, because he’s just, I love how he plays. You know, Stafford, for all the talk about his back injury in the preseason, you know, 11 touchdowns, two interceptions. I mean, he’s putting
Nestor Aparicio 27:07
the Hall of Fame thing together here late, didn’t he? I mean,
Luke Jones 27:11
he certainly put it this way. At the end of his run in Detroit, you wouldn’t have even, like, you wouldn’t even have brought him up, right? You would have said, Okay, statistically, I guess he’s all very good, but
Nestor Aparicio 27:24
nothing, he’s Hall of Philip Rivers until we won a Super Bowl, right?
Luke Jones 27:27
He played, he played it with a lousy team in Detroit most of his career, right? I mean, save for a couple playoff run, a couple playoffs,
Nestor Aparicio 27:33
and Hall of Fame wide receiver there. So yeah,
Luke Jones 27:34
he did. No, he was a good, he was a really good player there. But when you win a Super Bowl and, I mean, go to LA and do it, yeah, last year. I mean, we talked about it. The Rams gave the Eagles their toughest game on the way to the Eagles went in the Super Bowl. So Kyron Williams is a really good running back fumble aside in that San Francisco game that really hurt them. But, oh yeah, they have Davante Adams, right? I mean, you kind of forget about that. That’s why I said, as you brought up hook and a cool I said, Good luck. I don’t know what the path is for the Ravens. To short of you’ve got to find a way to get a turnover or
Nestor Aparicio 28:12
two. Who’s on the field, who’s not. I mean, of the question marks, I think Hamilton’s going to play, and Ronnie
Luke Jones 28:18
Stanley, right? I think Hamilton’s going to play. I mean, we’ll see about Ronnie. I mean, Ronnie practiced two days last week. Ronnie practiced the Friday before that, and tapped out, not tapped out that. I don’t want to make it sound like that. Left the game after two series against Kansas City, right? He’s basically missed
Nestor Aparicio 28:35
the last two games. Well, you know, I had Merriman on Sean Mary was on two weeks ago, and he specifically referenced Stanley, because that’s what a pass rusher would do and say, All right, he said that as an athlete, you try, you try. Friday is a question mark. Sunday, you go out, you think you can do it. You get shot up, or whatever you do when you go out there and you see and you feel the speed of it, and within 30 minutes, you’re like, I know, you know. And we saw that with Ronnie Stanley a couple years ago in that kickoff game out in Las Vegas when he left the original comeback. And it doesn’t bode well at that position for sure, like, right? Yeah,
Luke Jones 29:12
and that’s another one. I mean, we’ve talked about it so much with with Lamar, as far as you know, with his injury. And you know, what possess, realistically speaking, if the season were on the line this week, would he give it a go? I’m sure he would, right, like, in terms of, like, if it was week 18 and you had to win or your season’s over, of course, I would think he’d give it a go. But knowing you have the bye week, and that affords you what two extra weeks of rest, basically, or at least one extra week of rest, because he would need to practice, you know, going into the Bears game, you know, with Ronnie with an ankle issue, and, you know, knowing his history of ankle injuries and all of that, can he get himself where he feel truly feels confident enough to play this week? Well? Or does it become, you know, the bye week might be helpful, but, I mean, you’ve got, when you’re talking about the Rams, you’ve got verse. I mean, that’s you lining him up on the edge. I mean, what kind of player he’s already proven to be at this point? I mean, that’s, you know, that that’s not a good matchup if it’s Joe, no boom out there again. I mean, no boom struggled mightily in place of Stanley. I mean, he, he did not give them a, in my opinion, certainly did not give them a Patrick McCary representative, kind of showing filling in as the backup left tackle. So I, you know, I think they really, really want Ronnie out there, but they also need to trust a veteran player, that if he’s not quite right, if he’s not, if that ankle could really benefit from another two weeks, then,
Nestor Aparicio 30:48
well, that’s the trick of this week, right? Is that if the guys you’re giving off, you’re really feeling like two weeks from now, you’re going to get them back one in five.
Luke Jones 30:56
Then it’s just, you know, it’s not, it’s not over. But I don’t need to tell you what that math looks like, you know it’s, it’s statistically
Nestor Aparicio 31:03
vision. We we’re gonna have a different kind of conversation after they lose Sunday, because they do play the Steelers twice, and now Joe Flacco is in Cincinnati, so they get to see him. That’s another thing that happened this week. We haven’t even mentioned that. Yeah, I guess it has no bearing on us, but it, I guess it does speak to what teams look at Joe Flacco would think he could still do it. I mean, he could. He still throws the ball better than 20 of the quarterbacks in the league. He’s can’t move,
Luke Jones 31:27
yeah, and I just he can’t move. And he goes from the Cleveland offensive line, which isn’t good, to the Bengals offensive line, which might be worse, right? I mean, it’s, I don’t know how that’s gonna put it this way. And, you know, I have all the respect in the world for Joe. I’m very fond. He’s one of my favorite athletes I’ve covered, but I don’t think that’s going to go well, oh yeah, I don’t eat. You know that that’s such a desperation move, because Browning was just so, so so bad
Nestor Aparicio 31:54
these last it continues. My admiration for Joe to continue to go right? He’s gonna start on three another paycheck from somebody. Yeah, he’s but not only that paycheck, he’s gonna go and do what he loves to do, which is go out and play football, which
Luke Jones 32:09
they can’t take it away from him. I just, you know, it continues his he’s the ultimate in a unique way, really unique way. He’s the ultimate. I mean, you hear about these guys that don’t retire. The league retires them. I mean, it’s feeling like Joe has ever
Nestor Aparicio 32:25
done a commercial outside of mothers or first Mariner Bank where he’s like, it’s Ferg. Because, I mean, I’ve seen all these backup quarterbacks, whether who was the backup quarterback that from the saints that got television commercials a couple years ago, been on 20 teams. White guy now, Josh Johnson’s getting you know, if you put a quarterback on 15 teams, you’re like, you’re an interesting guy to hire for a spokesperson. I mean, I’m sure two years ago, I mean, he just wasn’t in Cleveland long enough. But the way he was the toasted the town. No, come on. There was a quarterback that was a perennial backup. He’d been on 15 different teams, and he got a television commercial with like, a like Verizon or somebody get gave him a deal. I’m trying to think who it was. I think he might have been here three minutes too, but the perennial backup quarterbacks, Joe’s become that guy. Now,
Luke Jones 33:09
just trying to think of, like, some of the journeymen that you might be talking about. But, yeah, but either way, yeah. But I mean, with the ravens, I mean, if you’re one in five, I don’t, I don’t need to tell you what the math is, just to get to 10 and seven, right? Which, you know 10 and seven feels like the kind of territory that you know feels like the minimum you need to be, right? I mean, no, I don’t think the Steelers are going 14 and three this year. I just don’t. But you can’t expect that they’re going to completely fall apart and go eight and nine or seven and 10, right? So 10 and seven, you know, if you’re one in five, I mean, I mean, you’ve gotta, gotta win nine of your last 11, right? I mean, it’s
Nestor Aparicio 33:48
Josh McCown. Josh McCown, there you go. There you go. I got, I had to look up the saints. I remember
Luke Jones 33:53
him having a commercial, but, yeah, I mean, it wouldn’t shock me. I mean, he was around forever, right? But, but, yeah. I mean, you’re talking about, you know, if they can’t find a way to win this game Sunday, and, you know, short of a block, kick, turnover, special team, score, things like that. I mean, here’s a novel concept. You’ve got Derek Henry, you have
Nestor Aparicio 34:13
Josh mccow. Did it Verizon commercial because he was demonstrating the failure that requires a backup. Sorry about that.
Luke Jones 34:24
That’s fine. But you know, especially if you get Ronnie Stanley back, can you guys run the football? Have you lost all ability to run the football? Because, if it’s
Nestor Aparicio 34:33
only like, well, has Derek Henry lost all ability to break tackles? Please get gang tackled, though, right?
Luke Jones 34:38
Well, yeah, I mean, I, you know me. I mean, I wasn’t the guy that was throwing the parade over signing Derek Henry, but I don’t think he’s lost all ability to play football suddenly. I think it’s your offensive line stinks right now.
Nestor Aparicio 34:50
Derek Henry could win games with a lousy quarterback and a lousy offensive line. The Titans would have won Super Bowls, well, but,
Luke Jones 34:56
but they but there were times where they won games and he had big seasons. He. And with their offensive line not being great, but they need, they need to be better than what they’ve been these last couple weeks. I mean, they’re not moving anyone in the run
Nestor Aparicio 35:06
game, so they also have to have the ability to scare you, to throw the ball in order to make the run game work. And that’s not there,
Luke Jones 35:12
but, but, but that said, you still have talented wide receivers and tight ends. Cooper Rush has won some games in this league. I’m not saying he put up these sterling numbers with the Cowboys, but he did win some
Nestor Aparicio 35:23
games. Well, three picks isn’t going to get it done against the rams and the rain, of course, not, but. But that
Luke Jones 35:27
said, that said, I think we all I’m looking at this. You also have to be realistic of what the optimal conditions are for winning games with Cooper rush, and it’s the rest of your roster playing, being mostly healthy and playing well, and they’re not. They don’t have any of that right now, right? So it’s tough. I mean, I was the guy trying to give them the benefit of the doubt last week, even with thinking back to 2015 when the Ryan mallet led ravens beat the Steelers, right when the Steelers,
Nestor Aparicio 35:57
when you’re thinking circle in the wagons, because this organization is and they just
Luke Jones 36:01
at various points. And there was no hint of that last week. So is there
Nestor Aparicio 36:04
any hint of that in practice when you’re out there this week, or, I mean, the feeling out of the building to me from the outside, and again, I’m locked out and they let you in, is the temperature doesn’t feel and I don’t mean a fan base. I mean like watching them playing an empty stadium on Sunday scene. It was 35 points a game, not being able to run the ball, knowing the backup quarterbacks playing this week, knowing that they made a deal this week, watching the sort of the temperature of the head coach, in regard to the defensive coordinator, in regard to how they’re playing. Look, dude, I’m just trying to find anything I got you. I don’t know what good to say five weeks into this to say, is anybody on this team playing at a Pro Bowl level? Is anybody playing for a contract? Is anybody standing out, and even a case of Kyle Hamilton didn’t get on the field this week? They’re going to bring him back. You know, he’s not 100% they’re going to have him apparently, freelancing and playing that role that we that he has excelled at. I don’t know who won this team. Do you even look at after five hours of football and say, I mean, I can’t even judge Tyler loop or George stout, although I did see his girlfriend in the locker room the other day. I don’t, I don’t know who’s a plus here, and that goes for coaching that top down, who’s doing a good job in this organization right now? Yeah,
Luke Jones 37:24
it’s funny, because there was just an there was just a conversation in the media room the other day about this, just talking to some of the other people that are out there every day. Look, say, flowers is having a good year, Lamar until the second half of the Detroit game. I mean, obviously he didn’t play well whatsoever in Kansas City. It’s not as though Lamar had been bad the first three games of the season by any stretch of the imagination, but it was kind of jarring to think about it in terms of and we didn’t necessarily say who’s playing well there, there are individuals that have played well, but who is playing better than they did last year. Who is playing as well as they did last year? And that’s where I look at this thing and say, okay, Tyler Linder bomb is still playing well overall. But do I think he’s playing as well as he did last year? No, I don’t. Well. I’ll tell you this, he’s got two guards that make him a target, right, right? And I’m just using him as an example of someone that I would say, like linderbom hasn’t been bad this year, but has he been the best version of himself so far this year? No. So you go down the list, on either side of the ball, and we struggled. There wasn’t any fun anyone definitively that, I would say, yes, that guy is better than he was last year. And I’m not counting, like, obviously rookies weren’t here last year. So there’s nothing you could say. There’s no standard to base that off of. But you know, maybe, I mean, the safe flowers has been really good, right? Hopkins has been as good, if not better, than they could notice for sure, noticeable, although I would even say with that at what cost, Rashad Bateman has now completely disappeared from the offense. And like is, is, has there been that much of a net positive? Like, when you look at that, considering you threw $5 million there, that maybe you could have thrown somewhere else, it’s
Nestor Aparicio 39:15
also the tight end position, and what a binky that has always been for. For Lamar, in regards, haven’t done much. Yeah, you’d like to see 10 or 12 receptions a game out of your tight ends, like in this offense, right? If you’re going to be successful. And they
Luke Jones 39:29
haven’t gotten that from Andrews, you know, he had one good game, or one more productive game, a couple games where he was completely absent and likely just gotten back to the field. The last couple weeks stood out for two pre snap penalties, you know, two penalties in Sunday’s game. So, yeah, to not belabor your point, but you brought it up. It’s a It’s tough. It’s a struggle right now to identify who has taken a step forward, I would say, I’ll give you one now. He didn’t play. Didn’t play particularly well against Houston. I. I thought Nate Wiggins over the first four games was really starting to look like he, at least to me, not saying, like an All Pro, or anything like that, but it looked like, okay, he’s taking the next step, because he was kind of the one of the very few bright spots the first few weeks of their defense so, but he didn’t play well against Houston. Well, you give them 35 points a game, there’s no bright spot. I mean, no one’s playing. Well, yeah, exactly so, but yeah, that’s where you look at this thing. And it’s just like, show me some signs, you know, even, even if you lose on Sunday, which I think they’re going to but can, can, can two or three things happen over the course of that game. That one makes it so you don’t lose by 34 points again. And two, are some things that you can identify as positives going into the bye week. And maybe it is Kyle Hamilton playing more of a nickel hybrid role, and he blitzes off the edge and sacks Stafford at some point, or he forces a fumble, picks off a pass, has two tackles for a loss, right? And I’m not saying like all four, all three or four of those things, but give me a couple of those things. Show me a couple signs of, hey, they’ve got that Hamilton. They’ve got him back in that. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 41:07
defensive impact plays, all we’re talking about, we haven’t had a whole lot of that. So they don’t take the ball
Luke Jones 41:11
away. Just show me. Show me something. Show me some signs of a pulse, right? Don’t, don’t go out there and just be punchless again on every in every phase, and lose by four touchdowns. You know, can you lose by seven? Can you lose by 10? And I don’t mean that like, I just mean, like, the the end product, can it look like something that’s more representative? Just put up some fight for goodness sake. I mean, that that was the biggest thing that was just so deflating to me, watching that football game was, I mean, they just, they from from Jump Street, looked like they had zero confidence that they could win that football game. And I get it. You’ve got some of your best players hurt. I understand that. But my goodness, show some fight, show some pride in front of your home crowd. Do some things out there, make some plays get a couple stops on defense, at least offense, run the freaking football. You know, if you could do those things, then maybe they could find a way. In some bad weather on Sunday, most likely to for it to be a one score game in the fourth quarter, and then, who knows, it’s the NFL. Anything can happen so, but until you see them do that, man, it’s not great. Don’t feel great about this football team whatsoever. And you know, that’s where you look at the old way trade, and say, if things don’t get better, then maybe that we view that as more of a sell off kind of move. And maybe there’s a couple more moves like that coming down the pike here over the next month or so. He’s
Nestor Aparicio 42:37
Luke Jones. He will be at the game on Sunday. I I would be remiss if I don’t take 10 seconds and give my heartfelt condolences to everybody out there, involving Wes Henson and Captain Defense. My only story Captain D and I, and he’s gone, and I can’t speak to him, and I wish I could have him on the show, is that I met him in Memorial Stadium very early on, if you remember, we had the defense signs, and he took my defense sign and and attached it to his back. Remember that he had a plastic, clear plastic piece, and he would stick the defense sign into his back, and it would say defense. And, of course, and I don’t know if you know this or not, but that was a Baltimore Colts cheer, defense, defense. Then the chain gang started at the new stadium, and different things that were imported from colts lore and and by the way, I saw the big wheel at the Colts event last month. So you know, shout out to the big wheel and to his and the spoke, and all of those guys that have been such great fans here, but Captain Defense was sort of went beyond fandom or something on the television screen. He was an ambassador at so many bull roasts, community events, ravens roost. I was always invited out to speak at Raven’s roost or annual events. And he was always there. He was there for every charity event. And you know, the league’s lucky to have fans like that. And I don’t, I don’t know how appreciated these people really are. I know how appreciated I wasn’t by Chad Steele and Sashi Brown, and these people, maybe they figure out from the likes and the comments just on my page alone, at how beloved Wes was. Yeah, as a figurehead for he was at all of our parties. He rode on our busses to Pittsburgh to New England. I mean, I every message I have with Wes is, are you coming to our party this week? Do you need a ride? Do you want to get on our bus? Do you need a ticket for the game? Like and I haven’t seen Wes in years, and I was taken aback and shocked by his death this week. So love to everybody that and everybody touch Wes, everybody knew Wes, but Captain Defense started to some degree with my signs 30 years ago that said defense on them, that were all part of the defense. A D, and I don’t even know if they do that anymore in the stadium, because these Jack wagons that run the team, or, you know, I don’t know what they’re not from here. They don’t respect me, they don’t respect our fan base, they don’t respect my audience. They just, I don’t know, but I know Wes got a lot of love from the people in the way that if I die tomorrow, they’re not going to Chad Steel’s not going to put out a little thing and say, Nestor covered the team and wrote books about our team, they’ll just bury me and put me away and that, and that’s because they hate me. I would hope that they that they that somebody around there would appreciate the hundreds of 1000s or millions of dollars they’re making to realize what fans are and what fans represent, because I don’t smell that out of their organization at all. I smell arrogance everywhere, and Wes was one of the real dudes, and to see the fans and the pop the people who support the team understand his super fandom at but not just fandom. He wasn’t. He was an ambassador. Sure he he did for that organization what Elrod Hendricks did for the Orioles in a way that John Harbaugh doesn’t want to go out and meet fans. Players don’t want to go out and meet fans unless you Justin Tucker wanted 50 grand to show up and shake a hand. So in this modern era, the last remaining remnants of goodwill they have on the street because they’re not getting it from me, because they haven’t earned it from me. So I don’t give it to them because they don’t. They don’t deserve my respect. But in regard to Wes I, he’s the last of a breed, and Tim the barrel man, and, you know, people that were super fans of these teams. I don’t know how far that’s going to go. It’s really expensive to be a super fan, I promise you that.
Luke Jones 46:49
Well, yeah, that that’s certainly part of, you know, the modern day. But the word that comes to mind for me and I, I had some conversations with him over the years briefly. You know, I never, I didn’t know Wes intimately by any stretch of the imagination. But I mean, I was someone who went through, went to games from 1996 through 2010 as a fan, right? You always saw him, right? He was always there. And this sound, the word that comes to mind for me, and it sounds funny, because you’re talking about someone who had such a elaborate outfit and everything organic, right? I mean, you think about the beginnings of this franchise in Baltimore, being the Browns coming to Baltimore, being this team, the Ravens that you know, they weren’t the old browns, they weren’t the old colts, but they were still associated with those two brands. Or in the early years, you know, Captain Defense was part of building something that was organic and in this era, and this isn’t a Ravens thing, this is an NFL and professional sports thing. So much is over produced, contrived social media, so over the top, right? All that, right? And put that aside, because this is about Captain Defense, and Wes that organic feeling of community and being excited about your team, to your point, joining us on bus trips, you know, going to pep rallies and different live shows around town and all that stuff that was such a big part of the first, say, 15 years of this organization, you know, this team in Baltimore, and Obviously things have changed in some of those regards. But, man, you called it, I mean an ambassador, and I do know the ravens are going to hold us. They’re calling it a special moment of cheering that they’re going to do prior to a defensive series early in the game, they put out a statement recognizing him. But you know, putting aside the Ravens themselves, you know, and the recognition they should provide when you see the overflowing number of messages on social media and the number of Ravens fans he touched, that says it all. That says way more than a team president or an owner of a NFL franchise could say he was part of this community. He was an organic part, especially those early years ravens, where, you know, you’re trying to find whatever your footprints going to be in a community, and he was absolutely a huge part of that. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 49:08
you couldn’t get a Ravens player out to your bull rows, but Captain D would show up for you, and
Luke Jones 49:12
there you go. Um, take pictures all that, right? I mean, who so many of my friends I know over the years send a picture with Captain Defense,
Nestor Aparicio 49:21
right? I found that he died. I was on the tarmac at BWI flying out to Albuquerque for the balloon event, and I held it to my wife, who was literally getting ready to take off. And I went scurry and looking for just one picture he and I. And I can’t believe, dude, I have dozens of pictures of Wes, and I, I just don’t think I ever put it on Facebook, of all things. And I even was looking at looking everywhere to say, did somebody else put a picture of me and Wes up because, but I’m, I’m going to honor Wes in my own time when I get back. So yes.
Luke Jones 49:52
And one other thing I want to mention, because this is important to mention, a Navy veteran and also had been a cancer survivor. So I think the. Let’s acknowledge those things as well. In addition to being a super fan, and, you know, someone that very important to what the Ravens have become today. You know, this empire, just like any NFL franchise in the modern day, Captain Defense was absolutely a part of that because, you know, it was that sense of community, and like I said, at a time when it felt far more organic in
Nestor Aparicio 50:22
those early years. Nothing but love for the late great. Wes Henson, a captain D fence, and if you’re going to the game on Sunday, it’s going to be wet and ugly and awful out there, honor Captain D and, you know, keep throwing me notes. Nestor Baltimore positive.com. If the Dean blues Don’t, don’t. MF, me after the game, do that to Luke. He’s luke@wnst.net Luke will be in the locker room after the game. He is Baltimore, Luke. I’m West Coast, East Coast. Gonna be back in time for game time on Sunday. Stay dry out there. He is Luke. I am Nestor. We are W NSD. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We never stop talking Baltimore positive. Stay with us. You.
