It’s not what we’re usually discussing but The Baltimore Banner report about Ravens’ kicker Justin Tucker came on Thursday afternoon and Luke Jones and Nestor gave some first thoughts on the reporting, reaction and future for the accused kicker, who struggled on the field this season.
Nestor Aparicio and Luke Jones discuss the Baltimore Banner’s allegations against Justin Tucker, which include inappropriate behavior at massage parlors from 2012 to 2016. The story, based on interviews with six massage therapists, details Tucker’s alleged exposure and inappropriate touching. The Ravens’ response has been to deny the allegations, with Tucker issuing a lengthy statement. The conversation highlights the seriousness of the claims, the potential impact on Tucker’s career, and the broader implications for the NFL. Both hosts emphasize the importance of taking such allegations seriously and the challenges victims face in coming forward.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Justin Tucker, Baltimore Banner, sexual misconduct, massage therapists, inappropriate behavior, Ravens response, legal implications, public reaction, journalism ethics, Ray Rice, Deshaun Watson, NFL investigation, public figure, massage parlors, due process
SPEAKERS
Luke Jones, Speaker 1, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S T, am 1570 task, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive. If we had some special sound the breaking news, big story. Breaking news, big story, although I don’t know that it’s anything more than a story. At this point, we’re going to be doing a cup of Super Bowl next week, I’ll be promoting that vividly here for the Maryland Food Bank. We start Monday at Costas. I’m wearing my fatly shirt. We’ll be there on Tuesday, I’m going to be man. I’m having a crap kick in every place because they’re also freaking delicious. Coco is Wednesday, Thursday, we’re at State Fair. I might just break the thing and just get the chicken and waffles, because I love that. And then Friday, I’m at the Cooper’s north and I will definitely have the ahi tuna there, and so gumbo all the brought to you by the Maryland lottery. I will have the magic eight ball. And the magic eight ball for me, did not I woke up Thursday morning. I haven’t done a proper piece, and of sobbed a few times. Lost my friend Sean Simpson on Thursday morning. It was the goaltender of the Baltimore skip Jack’s first team. I recovered. It’s been a long day in in Thursday afternoon, I was at Pizza John’s having a perfectly delicious works pizza with a dear friend, and when the news hit me about Justin Tucker and a bombshell story in the Baltimore banner. So first things first, I’m a journalist. Kudos on a well written, well sourced, thought out, legal all of that to Chris Corman, who’s been a guest here. He’s one of the last journalists I know Philadelphia guy, but I don’t hold that against them. He thought he was having a good week. And to the trio of reporters who wrote the story. It’s behind a paywall. You know, I don’t make the rules, man, and I don’t cut and paste, and I’ve read it. Luke Jones is here. Luke will be the first one to tell you, and in our partnership of 15 years, you know, we don’t like deaths. We don’t like we don’t like losing football games on Monday, but there’s a game to talk about, right? We don’t like free agency. Well, you don’t like free age. Well, you don’t like free age. Well, you love free agents. What the hell I’m talking about? You love, oh, you love the DRE you love all that stuff, um, jurisprudence and Ray Rice punched his wife in a glass elevator, and I got to put my reporter hat on and talk to people who are going to point to their lawyers and lie about it if they know anything, and protect the player. And it’s like all of that and, um, the allegations and the hints and evidence and tweets that leaked later. Um, I’ll throw it at you, because you don’t really want to be here right now. Do you? No,
Luke Jones 02:30
I mean, it’s an uncomfortable story, and I don’t mean that in the sense of downplaying it, or the allegations being as serious as they are as gross as they are, quite frankly, you know, I said this to you before we began our conversation. You know, I’m a sports guy, and I don’t mean that in the sense of, oh, just the games, and that’s it. We talk about the business. We talk about all kinds of different parts of sports, sports enterprise, right? Sports Business, salary cap, you and I have talked at length about the Orioles, the branding and things of that nature, ticket sales, all that kind of stuff. But when you get into something like this, which is much more of a real life subject, very uncomfortable subject, when you’re talking about inappropriate sexual misconduct, whether it’s at a massage spa, you know, professional spa. You know therapist type setting, or anyone who encounters that just in their everyday life with someone they know, you know, a family member, a friend, anything like that. That’s very serious. You know that that makes everything else we talk about, all that sports stuff we talk about, completely you know, we know it’s meaningless in a big picture sense. Or what is
Nestor Aparicio 03:43
amazing, though, because in the first minutes, well, that’s why he was missing kicks. Okay, so it goes right to the field. No man, people putting up. That’s, you know, he had a rough year on the field. I don’t think there’s any question about that. Um, he’s been a good citizen here. I have my own personal opinions of my hundreds of interactions of Justin Tucker that and interviews with him and how I would feel. I’m not going to pile on him today any more than he’s been piled on and he made his own statement. Right? They came out right away, and very lengthy at that. And you know, and a lot of it was accusing the newspaper and accusing the newspaper and accusing the reporter. And I’ve been the reporters at the report bad things, including one time with you, with me, underneath of the Chicago stadium. I was sending out a tweet about Ozzy Newsome going into an ambulance, and I witnessed it. And I witness eyewitness, Eyewitness News, right? Like, like, I’m a reporter. I’m really I’m a reporter, Chad and a, you know, Baltimore banner gets a story on this, right? You get a call. Or if I had a call on this, I can’t honestly say, and I’m a man about town, and I’m a man about the east side of town, and I know these spas that we’re talking about, um, pitch a couple of them for business over the course of time, my wife had. Had massages in I’m trying to think if I had a massage in these places, I have, you know, bless me, fat Deacon, for I have sinned. But I I’ve had massages, the legitimate massages, in all sorts of environments, in all sorts of places, with male, female, black, white, old, young. I’m 56, years old. I probably been getting professional massages way longer than you’ve known me. I have one person in my life who’s sort of a massage person that we’ve encountered when we live downtown, and I’ve had a few others that are friends. I mean, I have five people in my phone I could text to get a professional massage right now with people I know who’ve worked giving me body work. As we would say, my massage therapist is connected to the old ravens of 20 years ago. She is a person who has worked on a lot of football players and came referred to me by football player so, and she’s still very much in my life. So I have, I can say on oath, Deacon Jones. And if I were, you know, if you were a man of the real cloth, I’d say I’ve never been in one of those kinds of massage parlors. I know where they are. I know what they are from the east side of Baltimore, the happy ending all of that. I do have a funny story about knocking on the door one one night in San Francisco, but I don’t I’ve never been in any of the I mean, every massage I’ve ever had has been legitimate in hotels. It on several continents when you get off a long flight. I mean, like just all sorts of ways I’ve had massages, music, water sounds, bells, and was our friends at curio wellness and foreign daughter, they have a wellness facility where I have had massage in that facility before. So I would just say this, and I’m just going to say this out loud, if you were to ever get banned, or me as a public figure, were ever to get banned from one massage facility, just one, what you would have to do, how disrespectful you would have to be to have them say, Sir, we’re not going to press charges, but you need to leave. I have been an adult men’s clubs. Many times I have support. They have supported my business. At various points, you don’t touch the girls. True one. You’ll touch the girls man. Come on. And for any of the he men on my Facebook page or in my world, it’s been 10 years in allegations. I went through all of this. You know what I mean. Bill Cosby said hello to my wife in the coffee shop and said nice things to her one morning at at Harbor court when he was doing his act. You know, you can’t accuse Bill Cosby of anything at that moment, if any, like, just can’t. And if you know anything about how this works, and I would, I know you don’t really want to get into this, but I’ll get into this part of it because I’ve talked to so many people at Baltimore positive over these years, you know, go spend an evening at House of Ruth. Go meet a victim. Go meet somebody where whatever, anything, anything from the worst acts of rape and violence you can imagine to having unwanted advances, and that’s that’s different than sexual assault, and then finding someone who is sexually assaulted in a circumstance that their woman who’s going to believe me, there’s no evidence, right? My job’s at stake. My family’s at stake. My safety is at stake, my privacy is at stake. My What do I have to gain? What’s in it for me? And you know, I’ve been in circumstances where I’ve been victimized in various ways, but not like that. And I, you know, we all think we’d react by calling the cops and like all of that. And it’s not the way the real world works, man, you know, and it’s why neighbors don’t snitch on neighbors and drug neighborhood, just, just just all of that that’s built into our society that’s been looked the other way. And this is reporting, and it’s journalism, and for Tucker to beat back at the journalist was, I thought that was, that was low rent, and I think whatever his legal side of this is, that’s fine, but the story was did not feel fictitious, and it did feel reported. And it, this is not, he kept calling it a newspaper too. This is not some this is Justin fan. You know, these are not, these are serious journalists and a legal department, and time will tell. But I’m just for anybody out there judging on either way. This is just a really difficult circumstance, and I you know, we’re all going to need to be careful on how we judge this, and then we’re going to say, is he still the kicker? We’re going to go down that lane, which is the lane we’re always in, right? So we’re a couple of hours. Hours, in this case, into the story, and I would just say, Sit back. Let everyone tell their side. But the side, for me isn’t in journalists who got tips, who called different people in different ways, and got the corroborating stories in weird ways, and then the bubbling to the surface of tweets come from years ago about allegations that legs start to form in some way, in whatever way. And I told the banner people this, they have a paywall up. People can’t read the story. Everybody’s gonna read Justin Tucker story. There’s no pay wall. Justin Tucker’s gonna have millions of people read his story. Not everybody’s going to read the banner story. And the banner story is extensive, sourced, thoughtful, journalistic should be read by everybody before they even I read it. You read it before we came here to talk about it. But like, it’s salacious man, and it’s this is national, and it’s the league, and it’s super bowl and it’s a Hall of Fame care. I mean, it’s just, there’s some depth to this, in a way that it’s this is not going to be the last time you and I talk about this. No,
Luke Jones 11:10
no, it’s not. And I think you said it quite well. You know, there are two sides, more than two sides, because you’re talking about multiple massage therapists, you know, in this report, you know, six from different places, and according to the banner, uh, individuals who did not know each other, right? At least some of the individuals going with the reporting
Nestor Aparicio 11:34
side of reading what they wrote. Because not everybody in our audience has every, I think everybody’s read the Joshua Tucker thing. Maybe a cut and paste is up, but this is not something that you can even sum up in two minutes. But I want to give you a little bit of the you can make the you read from the copy. How about that? We’ll play it that way. Because I I don’t know that everybody in the audience is caught up on what exactly the allegations are, right?
Luke Jones 12:00
I think a lot of people know what the now, how extensively it’s presented in an article that stand under 1000s of words. I think you know the basics of it. You know, he exposed himself, brushed up against two of them at you know, believed to be leaving discharge on the table in a couple instances. You know, in some of these instances, a session ended early and the massage therapist refused to continue to see him as a client. You know, as you alluded to, two of these spas, management told the banner they banned him from returning. So that’s what we’re talking about here.
Speaker 1 12:45
You know, I think you said it, the need to treat this seriously. You know, regardless of what may come out from here, do more? Do more women come forward? Do people come forward advocating for Justin Tucker? Right? I mean, we don’t know. Again, as you said, it’s so fresh, but I think it’s important to take it very seriously, right? And that’s not just lip service, right? It’s not just, oh, well, this explains why he was bad kicking this year. It’s not about that. You know, there’ll be time for that, right? I mean, there, well, there is a point where the Ravens might just say no, well, and that that that could happen, or before the end of this segment, literally, if they just say, no moss and Eve, Steve, dude, Steve, like, the reason
Nestor Aparicio 13:32
I don’t have a credential is Steve’s pissed about Ray Rice and never wanted this again. He never wanted anything. The time he walked away from me three years ago was that to hold the show. Hold the Sean Watson getting money. He has no taste for this, right? But it’s Justin Tucker. I, you know, I don’t know like the fact that the Ravens want this coming back to their door again and again and again is something they’re probably evaluating as we’re sitting here talking about this and saying, What are we going to do in an office? Do we? Because it’s a bubbling story, you know, I mean, and I don’t, it’s hot man, and it’s not good for and it’s, it’s just, it’s just terrible. All the way, it’s a terrible it
Luke Jones 14:12
is, right? And that’s, you know, there’s a tendency to contextualize this when we’re talking about, you know, not talking me and you. But the reason why this is a headline is because this is an NFL kicker who kicks for the local team, right? If this were Joe Average, I’m not saying it wouldn’t be terrible, but it wouldn’t be the front page story, right? Well, look what happened
Nestor Aparicio 14:37
to that kid, Matt Ariza, who was kicking a week ago, right? I mean, these things, and that’s why,
Luke Jones 14:42
and it’s always important to let it play out, too. I mean, think of Duke lacrosse years and years and years ago, right? So I don’t want to sit here and convict Justin Tucker or absolve him, right? I mean, I don’t know, right? But I also know how serious and extensive the reporting is. In this story, and that’s why it shouldn’t be taken lightly. That’s why it shouldn’t be dismissed. That’s why we shouldn’t default to, oh, well, he wasn’t a good kicker this year, and like that has and the
Nestor Aparicio 15:09
other part of this, I think this isn’t like the cheerleaders, where they got together and knew each other and went to a lawyer and got this was, this was journalists getting tips and calling around, and everybody’s telling them the same story individually,
Luke Jones 15:24
right? And some of these individuals, from, from what the reporting suggests, did not have a relationship with each other. So it’s not as though, you know, it was a group of four or five, six massage therapists that came forward together, that all knew each other. And you know, if, you’re trying to be a cynic, and saying, Oh, well, what’s the angle here? Like there was no corroboration, right? You know, no collaboration on on the story. And that was made very clear in the report, right, right? So you know a couple things here, beyond what you know, what we’ve mentioned to this point. You know the banner reports that you know they received a tip on January 9. So we’re talking about a three week time period that this reporting was done. At least most of the reporting was done. That’s, let’s say, and I think what the other factor here, and this is where not, not again, not to get into the football ramifications, but we are talking about this because this is a Baltimore Raven, right? Again, you and I would not be in this space talking about this if this was a normal citizen, no making it no less terrible or the Washington commanders kick Sure, exactly, yeah, exactly. You know, we talked about Deshaun Watson at length a couple times, but certainly not to the degree that Cleveland did or or Houston did before he was traded to the browns. But, and this is also, if
Nestor Aparicio 16:41
this is the 43rd player on the team, he’s cut, yeah, yeah. No, no question. And if he’s a 43rd player on the team, but I don’t see this kind of an investigation from 10 years ago, like, you know what I mean? So you just see, this is what, that’s
Luke Jones 16:53
what makes this I don’t, I don’t want to say interesting is the wrong word, because I don’t want to make interesting sounds like something’s appealing, it’s not appealing. This is not comfortable to talk about. You know what? No one should be comfortable talking about this. But the fact that this timeline was 2012 through 16, the fact that you can go and literally just do a Twitter search and find now they’re ambiguous tweets. They’re from, you know, anonymous, non public figures, but you can find a couple references going all the way back to 2021 about Justin Tucker and, you know, massage therapist, massage parlor, that kind of lingo. Now, again, does that convict him of anything? No, but it’s there. The timeline for this is there. Did the team hear of anything about this at any point along the way? And if they did, how did, did they investigate it? Or did they look the other way? Right? I mean, that’s where to me, those are the questions that become much more uncomfortable for the organization, right? I mean, it, you know, this wasn’t
Nestor Aparicio 18:04
local business owners can go back and say, on this night, we told him he has to leave. I mean, like, I don’t. Right, no, I don’t. But I’m just a lot of these cases, if they ever get crazy text threads and what, what people said to their girlfriends and their friends and like all of that kind of stuff becomes really kind of crazy. I don’t know where it goes from here. I don’t know court cases. Nobody’s asking for millions of dollars. Nobody, you know, nobody’s it didn’t feel to me like anybody was looking to even embarrass anybody other than to report a story about something that was wildly inappropriate, if not unlawful, that happened years ago and in the ME TOO environment, or whatever. I mean, I, I guess I, you know, I hear all the Why did it take 10 years? There’s so many reasons for that that I’ve gone through with victims over the last 10 years that have been incredibly educational for me, that all of this is just troubling. I It’s just troubling all the way around. It’s troubling.
Luke Jones 19:06
It is. And look, I mean it, if you read the report, I mean it flat out, acknowledges this. You know, I, I can’t remember who the exact source, whether it was an unnamed, just legal source, or whoever, but it sounds like the statute of limitation, of limitations has been exceeded. So from a legality standpoint, and even acknowledging that these types of cases are typically very difficult to prove, you know, is it going to go anywhere from a legal standpoint, from a civic standpoint, I mean, I don’t know, right? But we, you know, going back to that timeline standpoint, like I said, Did had the team caught wind of anything, any a sniff of an allegation, any a sniff of inappropriate behavior that they heard from second hand, third hand? Did they look into it? Did they investigate it and or did they just say, Oh, it’s fine. We have the best kicker in football. And, you know, and I’m not saying the Ravens did. That either. But again, it begs, it begs those questions to now, when this comes to light, you know, we go back to some of the same questions in the same circumstances we talked about, as it pertained to Ray Rice, in terms of, what did you know? What were you okay with to continue employing him? And then what changed, right? And and, you know, you go back to, and
Nestor Aparicio 20:18
that’s where I come back to Steve. It’s, it was the darkest days of his ownership, sure. And if we’re about to go down that hallway again, the billionaire guy is going to do whatever he has to do, do not I saw you saw that on the veranda. He’s going to do whatever he has to do to not have to come in here and answer questions, or even put John through it, or even put ERIC through it when all they care about out there, you know, this is winning. That’s all they care about out there is winning so and missing some kicks and whatever. Dude they they took jerseys back on Ray Rice and made him the man of the game last year and brought him back. So, like, you know, they can point to that and say, one day, but not today, and you got to go kick somewhere else. And good luck, you know, like I would, I honestly, if you’re asking me early on, you know, knowing that this isn’t going to go away and it’s going to be awful. I mean, it’s already is couple hours old, and it’s awful, you know, my guess would be that the Ravens wouldn’t want to have to get Chad steal together and have a press conference and entertain you guys. You know what I mean? You know I mean, like, oh and over and over and over again,
Luke Jones 21:31
sure. And you know what happens? You know, in terms of, and this goes back to what I said in terms of, had they heard anything? Had there been whispers of this years ago, and did they investigate it privately, as you know? I mean, there are very few secrets as it pertains to players. And you you can probably attest to things 25 years ago, almost 30 years ago, of certain players who got into hot water, whether it was something extremely serious or something that was, you know, a legal issue, but not necessarily something that was the end of the world. That there are plenty of things that don’t come to light that teams do know about, right, and teams do take care of. You know whether, whether you consider it ethically acceptable or not, that that happens, we have to keep an eye on that kid, because you should get into trouble for the ravens, I mean not for any team in any sport. You know, any high profile professional sport that those
Nestor Aparicio 22:25
flowers had allegations last year. He’s doing M and T Bank commercials on their credit card,
Luke Jones 22:31
sure, but, but I think you know what. What makes this interesting, as you just you know? And again, we’re venturing into conjecture right now because it is still very early. But, and these are
Nestor Aparicio 22:42
also wealthy men that, you know, they they get preyed upon. You know what I mean, like the zay flowers thing, who knows? But like when guys have money, and they have, by the way, did you even hear Jane Daniels mother say, nobody’s getting my kid? You know, I don’t know if you saw that. I did not see that. Oh, man, Jane Daniels mother said that. You know how many girls want my you know, like these guys are targeted. I mean, I’ll say that in a general sense, all the way around. So they do need security, right? I mean, I guess the point is, you want the team to know everything they’re up to. From a legal standpoint, from an employer standpoint, there’s only so much you can know, right? But I think these are 2021, 22 year old young people coming in. The last thing a billion dollar organization wants is this period at any time. Yeah, right. Well,
Luke Jones 23:26
and I think, you know what makes this? You know? What makes this more complicated in terms of trying to gage the team and how they respond to this and how they will or will not proceed, you know, then that’s where how Justin Tucker performed in 2024 does become more relevant as it pertains to any potential decision about his employment, because of what I said before this was this happened. You know, the allegations are from 2012 through 2016 if the team at any point caught wind of anything, right? And again, you can find tweets that are three and a half years old alluding to something here, right? Unless, unless a couple random people just had the most random, miraculous coincidence that you can find of something that came out three and a half years later. True or not, there were, there was, there was smoke about it, right? That’s true or not, there was smoke about it. So again, from that standpoint, you know, if the Ravens did hear anything, and again, I don’t know that we’re, we’re reacting to this, right? We’re trying to react to this in a as appropriately as we can. Understanding it’s a very sensitive topic. But now, if you talk in terms of it coming to light, now, if they knew something about it years ago, well, Justin Tucker was still the best kicker in the NFL, right? And there’s would
Nestor Aparicio 24:51
never do that, would they? I mean, they would never, they’d never done that in the past, with Ray Rice punching his wife in a glass. I mean, that day they. And throw a journalist out in the prime of his career, and chase him around and and then play they
Speaker 1 25:05
wouldn’t do, I mean, it doesn’t even even, it doesn’t even have to be that nefarious. It’s as simple as we know that if one of the star players on a team gets a DUI, they’re not going to get cut. I mean, they, you know, the league might discipline them in some relatively minor way, but they’re not going to be cut. But you and I both know if it’s a practice squad guy on the team that gets a DUI, he’s gone right, and we know that. We understand that. And I’m not even saying that’s right or wrong. That’s just how it is. But you know now, when something like this comes to light, if you know, if you’re the ravens, and if Steve Bucha says, Hey, we’re not dealing with this, they kind of have the the cover of Justin Tucker had a bad season, right, where they can kind of say, well, you know, it was, it was, it was employment related. Was sure related. So, yeah, and again, you know, I’m not using these uncomfortable
Nestor Aparicio 26:01
of fame guy. You know what I mean? Like, you know I I’ve interacted them hundreds of times. I just keep going back to, if you got thrown out of one, yeah, massage facility one time, for one thing, I would say, what that Were you drunk? What the hell did you do? Well, you know what I mean, like, I just if it was one, I don’t know what to say, and especially if you’re a public figure and you’re doing this stuff, but it’s like, oh, who would do it? Oh, the quarterback of the Houston Texas went around the city and did it sort of routinely. But, yeah, apparently his way of doing it was online with, you know, whatever. These were, like, places where I went in and then people, everybody went and these are massage facilities. This isn’t,
Luke Jones 26:51
this isn’t like some sketchy, you know, wrong side of town kind of place that, you know
Nestor Aparicio 26:56
what, I will make you laugh, because we have to laugh at least to stay alive, especially on the day when I lost Sean Simpson this morning, the last bless me Deacon Jones for the last massage I have had. And people laugh when I say this. I was in New York City, you know this? I went up. It was election. I went up alone. Two days. I went up for concert, hung out and Chinatown I go and I had, I have a place in Chinatown. Go ahead, make your joke. And I it’s legitimate, very legitimate place. And I went in, and when I went in as the first time I’d ever seen this in and they’re, they’re little more like stalls in New York. They’re not like full like rooms with and people here are familiar with fountains and running water and just sort of these nice, elegant, really elegant. A lot of the the places Justin Tucker has been accused of some of these places, very elegant places. They’re spas, they’re nice places. And this place in York’s nice, nice enough, but on the wall it said, No, Hanky Panky. Literally, it said on the wall, no. And I’d never seen that. I’ve been in a million place, but you’re in New York, you’re in Chinatown. It’s just sort of like, Hey, dude, read the Wall,
28:04
right? That’s that. Yeah. You know,
Nestor Aparicio 28:06
we’re all, I’m 56 we’re grown ups here, you know what I mean. But, and I am saying that legitimately, to say we all know the difference. And Sean Watson was even doing something a little bit more way on the edge. If you go read all of that and went on there, this is not that story in any way, or that accusation in any way. This is a whole different level of funky monkey. And in regard to what’s appropriate, what’s not, and it’s a sad
Luke Jones 28:39
story, right? And and they talk in the story. And again, I encourage everyone you know, whether you have a subscription or not, have someone who does subscribe, have them send it to you, right? I mean things like that. I mean, but it even acknowledges, in the in the in the story, that whatever gray area there can be, right? And you know, I’ll give you a perfect example. It acknowledges, you know, they talk to people who in that field, where they acknowledge that a male client can accidentally, briefly get aroused, right? And they say that that is not uncommon, but what they allege, and the details that are spelled out here is whatever that gray area is, this went well beyond Well,
Nestor Aparicio 29:29
hang on for secular these women that are massaging people in these places are massaging dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, of clients, and when they deem something to be out of bounds, any of them, right? It’s out of bounds. You know what? I mean, like, I don’t come on, but what? But
Luke Jones 29:46
me saying that is spelling out that they’re even acknowledging that that does happen from time to time, right? You know, it’s the, you know, it’s the George and Seinfeld scenario, when he got a massage at one point. And if. You’re a dude, you apologize immediately, and you’re embarrassed, and then you go on, and it’s fine then, right? But they spell it out and make it clear, according to, you know, according to these massage therapists, that it went well beyond that, right? So, so even acknowledging what ambiguity, you know, whatever space there is for a little bit of ambiguity, this is way beyond that. And I think the reporting, you know, spells that out. You know, I, you know, I came away from that having never gotten a professional massage myself. So I plead a lot of ignorance here in terms of, you know, what, what would you know, what, what the process is for the massage, and all that you know, but it, they made it, spelled it out that this wasn’t just, you know, some vague little bit of gray area, and that’s it. You know that it went beyond that. Well, I don’t know
Nestor Aparicio 30:49
how much further we need to go into this report, right? I made the report. We will be following whatever the football is. I’m doing a whole bunch of community charity stuff next week. We’re not going to be doing 58 segments on this. I’m not going to be, you know, calling around to get other opinions, maybe some legal opinions, if there is such a thing, or some insights into that, or but, but I’m, you know, we’re not doing reporting on this as much as we’re doing reaction to this. Should say, this is a bombshell story for the league, for Justin Tucker, for the city, for the team, for these young ladies, just kind of all the way up for the banner too. I mean, for to be doing this kind of reporting and getting tips and saying, we’re gonna, we’re gonna, we’re not afraid of Chad Steele. I mean, that good for them. I mean, they reported something that nobody in Owings Mills wanted reported. That’s when you that’s when you’re doing journalism,
Luke Jones 31:44
yeah, well, I mean, they certainly don’t, they don’t want it to be true, you know, they don’t want it out there, right? Sure. You know, I think as we wait to see what happens next, and you know, if you even go to the banners website, you know, to their sports section, there’s literally a link for you know, if you have a tip, if you have more information, if you know, you know, if you’re a massage therapist who you know, encountered the same thing you know, to reach, be able to reach out anonymously in a you know, for them to reach out, you know, to professional. I had
Nestor Aparicio 32:18
a friend reached me and said a friend of theirs would confirm it, but would never come forward, sure, sure. And that happened the first hour. And then somebody very connected to me, that’s somebody that would not lie. I got a text right away and said I got somebody, but that person would never come forward, sure, and look and that, and that’s, and that’s that person’s right, because that person has nothing to gain at this point, exactly any former client, and Justin Tucker probably wasn’t. If you know people that have the that are massage there, they don’t this doesn’t happen once in their life, because people are you know that this allegations and hints and get out of my place or whatever, like, I think it happens, you know more often and when it happens, you don’t really have any recourse whenever it happens, which is part of my house of Ruth saying, of whatever happens, sometimes you have no recourse and you don’t, you know, the law is not going to protect you, as well as fame money bill, we go down to Bill Cosby route for all of these women, this is not, this is just such A i It’s, you know, this is not easy. And you know, for even for my friend, you said this, you know, came to me and said this, this person will not come forward, no way in hell, because there’s nothing to get there. And it was long time, you know, whatever, whatever. Just, no, I’m not doing it. And everybody reserves the right to that. They also reserved the right to speak out of truth too. Yeah, journalist Knox,
Luke Jones 33:43
no question. And that’s where, you know, it’s going to be very interesting to see what happens now. You know, do do more massage therapists come forward? I mean, go look at the timeline of the Deshaun Watson thing. And you know, this is, I’m not saying this is exactly the same as that, let me be very clear. But you saw how that started out with however many and then more came forward. Will more come forward in defense of Justin Tucker, I don’t know, right? I mean, I really don’t know. You know, I’ve again, he’s entitled to, you know, the idea of innocent until proven guilty. You know, even though doesn’t sound like right
Nestor Aparicio 34:22
now, if I were accused of this 15 years ago, I’ve had the same massage. There was a 15 years she would at least stand up say, I tip the dude 200 massages. You know, like, I mean, like, that would happen right away. And, and I do know this dude, and I don’t know if you know this as well as I know this, because I’ve been on airplanes at different points, with people who give these guys special vitamins, they get them ready for games and fluids and needles and things, and they all believe in massage. I mean, all the you know, most players in that locker room get work done, and lots of work done, and especially kickers, you know. I mean. Mean just, I’ve known them all so that they’re kicking the national football. He does have massage therapists. Yeah, I mean just literally,
Luke Jones 35:09
no question. And in fairness to Justin Tucker, the reporting in the article also did include some massage therapists who worked with him. I think I want to say the timeline for that was through 2016 through 19, something along those lines, who said he was nothing but professional, right? So that was presented. That doesn’t mean that they’re true and the others are lying. It’s just there were some accounts of him not acting inappropriately. But that doesn’t mean he did, didn’t in the previous ones, or he hasn’t with others who haven’t come forward. Right? So again, we’re, we’re working off of an incomplete picture here to some degree or another, because, you know, I don’t think we’re going to get a TMZ video that comes out of this that proves it in the way that Ray Rice with his wife in the casino. But that said that I think it’s important for us all to recognize, take this seriously. This isn’t a joke. This isn’t something to make light of. This isn’t something to worry about who’s kicking footballs for the Ravens next fall. This is, you know, this is a very serious, very serious accusations here, and very uncomfortable and gross accusations here. And I think we while we all have questions, and there’s unknown, you know, parts of this and gaps that we hope to be able to fill, but who knows if we will, it’s important to recognize that. And Justin
Nestor Aparicio 36:31
bucker also had the opportunity to come out and say, Sure, I really did some stupid stuff 10 years ago, and I’m sorry for it. Yeah, like, and he didn’t do that. So, you know I’m saying, like, I, you know? Like, I think we’ve all done something somewhere along life’s highway that if somebody came to accuse us, they probably shouldn’t have done that you could step up and as long as you didn’t kill anybody. And like, you know what I’m saying? Like, sure you could say that was not cool. And, yeah, I’m gonna, I’m gonna fix that. I don’t know he’s given himself leeway for that any more than Ray Rice grabbed the phone and said, I didn’t punch her in the face. And he did. And people in the room knew he did. She knew he did, and their Creator knew he did, and he stole a fan of the game 10 years later. It’s not an autograph to make money, and life’s gone on for him, you know. So I don’t know how that goes, but all of them lied. They all lied about throwing me out. They all lied about Ray Rice. They’re liars. Would they lie? Sure they’d like he could kick the ball 65 yard. They would. I know they would. Now, what they know I don’t know, but him saying I’m innocent. You know, he, he can’t come back now and say, Well, that was 10 years ago. I really that wasn’t good. And if he didn’t do it, he didn’t do it like, you know, you know, sure, die on the Hill get to, you know. I mean, I, you know, Lord knows, I die on the hill with Chad Steele because I didn’t do anything that warrants me not being there to ask him questions. But these are prime examples of why they don’t want people like me around. But I can honestly say nobody needs Baltimore came to me and ever told me this. This never came to my lap. It wasn’t like, Oh, I heard that one time in Highland. Yeah, no, I don’t have that. I don’t have that. I heard a whole lot more about Kevin Costner. Lights going out, and it’s ridiculous, but, like, stupid stuff then this, but now that it’s out, you and I are a couple of hours into this, and people are reaching to me with all on my Facebook, just sort of like, okay. I mean, I don’t know, I don’t know what comes from it, but nothing good. Um, done. Drop the ball on this. We going to watch a football game and go do some other things for a little while,
Luke Jones 38:41
yeah. I mean, this won’t be the, as you mentioned, we will definitely talk about this, and, you know, we’re going to see what else comes to light, if anything good, good or bad, right?
Nestor Aparicio 38:53
I mean, it’s just, there’s just so much you can say about it, right? I mean,
Luke Jones 38:58
right. And again, I think it’s just important to, you know, the internet is the internet, right? Social media, social media, so I
Nestor Aparicio 39:06
but this is a raven to an issue. Personally say we’re gonna let due process. There’s no, there is none of that. It’s not, you
Luke Jones 39:13
know what I mean, like, and even, you know, even from, you know, the the leagues, the legal look into it. And you know, regardless of what, we know that there doesn’t have to be a legal case for discipline to potentially be taken. You know, with the personal conduct policy right or wrong, we’ve known that. We’ve seen many cases about that over the years, ravens and otherwise. But you know, I think again, to take this seriously and to have the proper sensitivity with this, regardless of what the 100% truth is, one way or the other, right? And it’s not one way or the other, because there’s multiple accounts here, you know, just to take that seriously and understand that, you know, this is not something to joke about. This is not something, yeah, this is something to feel gross and icky about. You know, the accusations
Nestor Aparicio 39:57
everybody took it that way in my world, people in. People who are outraged in whatever way that this story, it’s an outrageous story. I mean, it really is. It’s salacious. Alright, he’s Luke. I’m Nestor. We’re gonna get back to football, baseball, the games we play. We’re doing a couple Super Bowl next week. I swear, when we’re not talking about Justin Tucker, I think it’s the only segment we’re gonna do. We have just the greatest week of radio here with Chuck pagano coming back to Baltimore, and Luke and I discussing that, as well as Joe Flacco has been here. Jamal Lewis has been here. He’s going to be at the big Verizon event next Sunday. My wife and I are going to get out. She’s a Verizon employee, so we’re going to get out early on Super Bowl Sunday, they’re going to let me in the state. I get I get in the stadium for free. I’m in. Let’s go. So you go down. There you go. I should have thrown that into the tag and so great. Mike Nolan. If you ever heard the Mike Nolan conversation, Luke, he was phenomenal. And then, I mean, what can I say about Ira Kaufman and and Jason Cole and just a whole bunch of Hall of Fame voters here this week, a Merrill Hodge stopped by as well in the sold me some tailgating goods and told me about the factor back. So we got Scott a lot of great radio here, and we’re not delving into 481, 1570 tell me what you know about you know Justin Tucker. So we’re not going to be it’s not going to be all day, all night around here, because we got other things to move on. But we set our piece. I’m Nestor. He’s loop. We are wnst. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, back to your regularly scheduled programming right after this.
