Itโs not what weโre usually discussing but The Baltimore Banner report about Ravensโ kicker Justin Tucker came on Thursday afternoon and Luke Jones and Nestor gave some first thoughts on the reporting, reaction and future for the accused kicker, who struggled on the field this season.
Nestor Aparicio and Luke Jones discuss the Baltimore Bannerโs allegations against Justin Tucker, which include inappropriate behavior at massage parlors from 2012 to 2016. The story, based on interviews with six massage therapists, details Tuckerโs alleged exposure and inappropriate touching. The Ravensโ response has been to deny the allegations, with Tucker issuing a lengthy statement. The conversation highlights the seriousness of the claims, the potential impact on Tuckerโs career, and the broader implications for the NFL. Both hosts emphasize the importance of taking such allegations seriously and the challenges victims face in coming forward.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Justin Tucker, Baltimore Banner, sexual misconduct, massage therapists, inappropriate behavior, Ravens response, legal implications, public reaction, journalism ethics, Ray Rice, Deshaun Watson, NFL investigation, public figure, massage parlors, due process
SPEAKERS
Luke Jones, Speaker 1, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S T, am 1570 task, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive. If we had some special sound the breaking news, big story. Breaking news, big story, although I donโt know that itโs anything more than a story. At this point, weโre going to be doing a cup of Super Bowl next week, Iโll be promoting that vividly here for the Maryland Food Bank. We start Monday at Costas. Iโm wearing my fatly shirt. Weโll be there on Tuesday, Iโm going to be man. Iโm having a crap kick in every place because theyโre also freaking delicious. Coco is Wednesday, Thursday, weโre at State Fair. I might just break the thing and just get the chicken and waffles, because I love that. And then Friday, Iโm at the Cooperโs north and I will definitely have the ahi tuna there, and so gumbo all the brought to you by the Maryland lottery. I will have the magic eight ball. And the magic eight ball for me, did not I woke up Thursday morning. I havenโt done a proper piece, and of sobbed a few times. Lost my friend Sean Simpson on Thursday morning. It was the goaltender of the Baltimore skip Jackโs first team. I recovered. Itโs been a long day in in Thursday afternoon, I was at Pizza Johnโs having a perfectly delicious works pizza with a dear friend, and when the news hit me about Justin Tucker and a bombshell story in the Baltimore banner. So first things first, Iโm a journalist. Kudos on a well written, well sourced, thought out, legal all of that to Chris Corman, whoโs been a guest here. Heโs one of the last journalists I know Philadelphia guy, but I donโt hold that against them. He thought he was having a good week. And to the trio of reporters who wrote the story. Itโs behind a paywall. You know, I donโt make the rules, man, and I donโt cut and paste, and Iโve read it. Luke Jones is here. Luke will be the first one to tell you, and in our partnership of 15 years, you know, we donโt like deaths. We donโt like we donโt like losing football games on Monday, but thereโs a game to talk about, right? We donโt like free agency. Well, you donโt like free age. Well, you donโt like free age. Well, you love free agents. What the hell Iโm talking about? You love, oh, you love the DRE you love all that stuff, um, jurisprudence and Ray Rice punched his wife in a glass elevator, and I got to put my reporter hat on and talk to people who are going to point to their lawyers and lie about it if they know anything, and protect the player. And itโs like all of that and, um, the allegations and the hints and evidence and tweets that leaked later. Um, Iโll throw it at you, because you donโt really want to be here right now. Do you? No,
Luke Jones 02:30
I mean, itโs an uncomfortable story, and I donโt mean that in the sense of downplaying it, or the allegations being as serious as they are as gross as they are, quite frankly, you know, I said this to you before we began our conversation. You know, Iโm a sports guy, and I donโt mean that in the sense of, oh, just the games, and thatโs it. We talk about the business. We talk about all kinds of different parts of sports, sports enterprise, right? Sports Business, salary cap, you and I have talked at length about the Orioles, the branding and things of that nature, ticket sales, all that kind of stuff. But when you get into something like this, which is much more of a real life subject, very uncomfortable subject, when youโre talking about inappropriate sexual misconduct, whether itโs at a massage spa, you know, professional spa. You know therapist type setting, or anyone who encounters that just in their everyday life with someone they know, you know, a family member, a friend, anything like that. Thatโs very serious. You know that that makes everything else we talk about, all that sports stuff we talk about, completely you know, we know itโs meaningless in a big picture sense. Or what is
Nestor Aparicio 03:43
amazing, though, because in the first minutes, well, thatโs why he was missing kicks. Okay, so it goes right to the field. No man, people putting up. Thatโs, you know, he had a rough year on the field. I donโt think thereโs any question about that. Um, heโs been a good citizen here. I have my own personal opinions of my hundreds of interactions of Justin Tucker that and interviews with him and how I would feel. Iโm not going to pile on him today any more than heโs been piled on and he made his own statement. Right? They came out right away, and very lengthy at that. And you know, and a lot of it was accusing the newspaper and accusing the newspaper and accusing the reporter. And Iโve been the reporters at the report bad things, including one time with you, with me, underneath of the Chicago stadium. I was sending out a tweet about Ozzy Newsome going into an ambulance, and I witnessed it. And I witness eyewitness, Eyewitness News, right? Like, like, Iโm a reporter. Iโm really Iโm a reporter, Chad and a, you know, Baltimore banner gets a story on this, right? You get a call. Or if I had a call on this, I canโt honestly say, and Iโm a man about town, and Iโm a man about the east side of town, and I know these spas that weโre talking about, um, pitch a couple of them for business over the course of time, my wife had. Had massages in Iโm trying to think if I had a massage in these places, I have, you know, bless me, fat Deacon, for I have sinned. But I Iโve had massages, the legitimate massages, in all sorts of environments, in all sorts of places, with male, female, black, white, old, young. Iโm 56, years old. I probably been getting professional massages way longer than youโve known me. I have one person in my life whoโs sort of a massage person that weโve encountered when we live downtown, and Iโve had a few others that are friends. I mean, I have five people in my phone I could text to get a professional massage right now with people I know whoโve worked giving me body work. As we would say, my massage therapist is connected to the old ravens of 20 years ago. She is a person who has worked on a lot of football players and came referred to me by football player so, and sheโs still very much in my life. So I have, I can say on oath, Deacon Jones. And if I were, you know, if you were a man of the real cloth, Iโd say Iโve never been in one of those kinds of massage parlors. I know where they are. I know what they are from the east side of Baltimore, the happy ending all of that. I do have a funny story about knocking on the door one one night in San Francisco, but I donโt Iโve never been in any of the I mean, every massage Iโve ever had has been legitimate in hotels. It on several continents when you get off a long flight. I mean, like just all sorts of ways Iโve had massages, music, water sounds, bells, and was our friends at curio wellness and foreign daughter, they have a wellness facility where I have had massage in that facility before. So I would just say this, and Iโm just going to say this out loud, if you were to ever get banned, or me as a public figure, were ever to get banned from one massage facility, just one, what you would have to do, how disrespectful you would have to be to have them say, Sir, weโre not going to press charges, but you need to leave. I have been an adult menโs clubs. Many times I have support. They have supported my business. At various points, you donโt touch the girls. True one. Youโll touch the girls man. Come on. And for any of the he men on my Facebook page or in my world, itโs been 10 years in allegations. I went through all of this. You know what I mean. Bill Cosby said hello to my wife in the coffee shop and said nice things to her one morning at at Harbor court when he was doing his act. You know, you canโt accuse Bill Cosby of anything at that moment, if any, like, just canโt. And if you know anything about how this works, and I would, I know you donโt really want to get into this, but Iโll get into this part of it because Iโve talked to so many people at Baltimore positive over these years, you know, go spend an evening at House of Ruth. Go meet a victim. Go meet somebody where whatever, anything, anything from the worst acts of rape and violence you can imagine to having unwanted advances, and thatโs thatโs different than sexual assault, and then finding someone who is sexually assaulted in a circumstance that their woman whoโs going to believe me, thereโs no evidence, right? My jobโs at stake. My familyโs at stake. My safety is at stake, my privacy is at stake. My What do I have to gain? Whatโs in it for me? And you know, Iโve been in circumstances where Iโve been victimized in various ways, but not like that. And I, you know, we all think weโd react by calling the cops and like all of that. And itโs not the way the real world works, man, you know, and itโs why neighbors donโt snitch on neighbors and drug neighborhood, just, just just all of that thatโs built into our society thatโs been looked the other way. And this is reporting, and itโs journalism, and for Tucker to beat back at the journalist was, I thought that was, that was low rent, and I think whatever his legal side of this is, thatโs fine, but the story was did not feel fictitious, and it did feel reported. And it, this is not, he kept calling it a newspaper too. This is not some this is Justin fan. You know, these are not, these are serious journalists and a legal department, and time will tell. But Iโm just for anybody out there judging on either way. This is just a really difficult circumstance, and I you know, weโre all going to need to be careful on how we judge this, and then weโre going to say, is he still the kicker? Weโre going to go down that lane, which is the lane weโre always in, right? So weโre a couple of hours. Hours, in this case, into the story, and I would just say, Sit back. Let everyone tell their side. But the side, for me isnโt in journalists who got tips, who called different people in different ways, and got the corroborating stories in weird ways, and then the bubbling to the surface of tweets come from years ago about allegations that legs start to form in some way, in whatever way. And I told the banner people this, they have a paywall up. People canโt read the story. Everybodyโs gonna read Justin Tucker story. Thereโs no pay wall. Justin Tuckerโs gonna have millions of people read his story. Not everybodyโs going to read the banner story. And the banner story is extensive, sourced, thoughtful, journalistic should be read by everybody before they even I read it. You read it before we came here to talk about it. But like, itโs salacious man, and itโs this is national, and itโs the league, and itโs super bowl and itโs a Hall of Fame care. I mean, itโs just, thereโs some depth to this, in a way that itโs this is not going to be the last time you and I talk about this. No,
Luke Jones 11:10
no, itโs not. And I think you said it quite well. You know, there are two sides, more than two sides, because youโre talking about multiple massage therapists, you know, in this report, you know, six from different places, and according to the banner, uh, individuals who did not know each other, right? At least some of the individuals going with the reporting
Nestor Aparicio 11:34
side of reading what they wrote. Because not everybody in our audience has every, I think everybodyโs read the Joshua Tucker thing. Maybe a cut and paste is up, but this is not something that you can even sum up in two minutes. But I want to give you a little bit of the you can make the you read from the copy. How about that? Weโll play it that way. Because I I donโt know that everybody in the audience is caught up on what exactly the allegations are, right?
Luke Jones 12:00
I think a lot of people know what the now, how extensively itโs presented in an article that stand under 1000s of words. I think you know the basics of it. You know, he exposed himself, brushed up against two of them at you know, believed to be leaving discharge on the table in a couple instances. You know, in some of these instances, a session ended early and the massage therapist refused to continue to see him as a client. You know, as you alluded to, two of these spas, management told the banner they banned him from returning. So thatโs what weโre talking about here.
Speaker 1 12:45
You know, I think you said it, the need to treat this seriously. You know, regardless of what may come out from here, do more? Do more women come forward? Do people come forward advocating for Justin Tucker? Right? I mean, we donโt know. Again, as you said, itโs so fresh, but I think itโs important to take it very seriously, right? And thatโs not just lip service, right? Itโs not just, oh, well, this explains why he was bad kicking this year. Itโs not about that. You know, thereโll be time for that, right? I mean, there, well, there is a point where the Ravens might just say no, well, and that that that could happen, or before the end of this segment, literally, if they just say, no moss and Eve, Steve, dude, Steve, like, the reason
Nestor Aparicio 13:32
I donโt have a credential is Steveโs pissed about Ray Rice and never wanted this again. He never wanted anything. The time he walked away from me three years ago was that to hold the show. Hold the Sean Watson getting money. He has no taste for this, right? But itโs Justin Tucker. I, you know, I donโt know like the fact that the Ravens want this coming back to their door again and again and again is something theyโre probably evaluating as weโre sitting here talking about this and saying, What are we going to do in an office? Do we? Because itโs a bubbling story, you know, I mean, and I donโt, itโs hot man, and itโs not good for and itโs, itโs just, itโs just terrible. All the way, itโs a terrible it
Luke Jones 14:12
is, right? And thatโs, you know, thereโs a tendency to contextualize this when weโre talking about, you know, not talking me and you. But the reason why this is a headline is because this is an NFL kicker who kicks for the local team, right? If this were Joe Average, Iโm not saying it wouldnโt be terrible, but it wouldnโt be the front page story, right? Well, look what happened
Nestor Aparicio 14:37
to that kid, Matt Ariza, who was kicking a week ago, right? I mean, these things, and thatโs why,
Luke Jones 14:42
and itโs always important to let it play out, too. I mean, think of Duke lacrosse years and years and years ago, right? So I donโt want to sit here and convict Justin Tucker or absolve him, right? I mean, I donโt know, right? But I also know how serious and extensive the reporting is. In this story, and thatโs why it shouldnโt be taken lightly. Thatโs why it shouldnโt be dismissed. Thatโs why we shouldnโt default to, oh, well, he wasnโt a good kicker this year, and like that has and the
Nestor Aparicio 15:09
other part of this, I think this isnโt like the cheerleaders, where they got together and knew each other and went to a lawyer and got this was, this was journalists getting tips and calling around, and everybodyโs telling them the same story individually,
Luke Jones 15:24
right? And some of these individuals, from, from what the reporting suggests, did not have a relationship with each other. So itโs not as though, you know, it was a group of four or five, six massage therapists that came forward together, that all knew each other. And you know, if, youโre trying to be a cynic, and saying, Oh, well, whatโs the angle here? Like there was no corroboration, right? You know, no collaboration on on the story. And that was made very clear in the report, right, right? So you know a couple things here, beyond what you know, what weโve mentioned to this point. You know the banner reports that you know they received a tip on January 9. So weโre talking about a three week time period that this reporting was done. At least most of the reporting was done. Thatโs, letโs say, and I think what the other factor here, and this is where not, not again, not to get into the football ramifications, but we are talking about this because this is a Baltimore Raven, right? Again, you and I would not be in this space talking about this if this was a normal citizen, no making it no less terrible or the Washington commanders kick Sure, exactly, yeah, exactly. You know, we talked about Deshaun Watson at length a couple times, but certainly not to the degree that Cleveland did or or Houston did before he was traded to the browns. But, and this is also, if
Nestor Aparicio 16:41
this is the 43rd player on the team, heโs cut, yeah, yeah. No, no question. And if heโs a 43rd player on the team, but I donโt see this kind of an investigation from 10 years ago, like, you know what I mean? So you just see, this is what, thatโs
Luke Jones 16:53
what makes this I donโt, I donโt want to say interesting is the wrong word, because I donโt want to make interesting sounds like somethingโs appealing, itโs not appealing. This is not comfortable to talk about. You know what? No one should be comfortable talking about this. But the fact that this timeline was 2012 through 16, the fact that you can go and literally just do a Twitter search and find now theyโre ambiguous tweets. Theyโre from, you know, anonymous, non public figures, but you can find a couple references going all the way back to 2021 about Justin Tucker and, you know, massage therapist, massage parlor, that kind of lingo. Now, again, does that convict him of anything? No, but itโs there. The timeline for this is there. Did the team hear of anything about this at any point along the way? And if they did, how did, did they investigate it? Or did they look the other way? Right? I mean, thatโs where to me, those are the questions that become much more uncomfortable for the organization, right? I mean, it, you know, this wasnโt
Nestor Aparicio 18:04
local business owners can go back and say, on this night, we told him he has to leave. I mean, like, I donโt. Right, no, I donโt. But Iโm just a lot of these cases, if they ever get crazy text threads and what, what people said to their girlfriends and their friends and like all of that kind of stuff becomes really kind of crazy. I donโt know where it goes from here. I donโt know court cases. Nobodyโs asking for millions of dollars. Nobody, you know, nobodyโs it didnโt feel to me like anybody was looking to even embarrass anybody other than to report a story about something that was wildly inappropriate, if not unlawful, that happened years ago and in the ME TOO environment, or whatever. I mean, I, I guess I, you know, I hear all the Why did it take 10 years? Thereโs so many reasons for that that Iโve gone through with victims over the last 10 years that have been incredibly educational for me, that all of this is just troubling. I Itโs just troubling all the way around. Itโs troubling.
Luke Jones 19:06
It is. And look, I mean it, if you read the report, I mean it flat out, acknowledges this. You know, I, I canโt remember who the exact source, whether it was an unnamed, just legal source, or whoever, but it sounds like the statute of limitation, of limitations has been exceeded. So from a legality standpoint, and even acknowledging that these types of cases are typically very difficult to prove, you know, is it going to go anywhere from a legal standpoint, from a civic standpoint, I mean, I donโt know, right? But we, you know, going back to that timeline standpoint, like I said, Did had the team caught wind of anything, any a sniff of an allegation, any a sniff of inappropriate behavior that they heard from second hand, third hand? Did they look into it? Did they investigate it and or did they just say, Oh, itโs fine. We have the best kicker in football. And, you know, and Iโm not saying the Ravens did. That either. But again, it begs, it begs those questions to now, when this comes to light, you know, we go back to some of the same questions in the same circumstances we talked about, as it pertained to Ray Rice, in terms of, what did you know? What were you okay with to continue employing him? And then what changed, right? And and, you know, you go back to, and
Nestor Aparicio 20:18
thatโs where I come back to Steve. Itโs, it was the darkest days of his ownership, sure. And if weโre about to go down that hallway again, the billionaire guy is going to do whatever he has to do, do not I saw you saw that on the veranda. Heโs going to do whatever he has to do to not have to come in here and answer questions, or even put John through it, or even put ERIC through it when all they care about out there, you know, this is winning. Thatโs all they care about out there is winning so and missing some kicks and whatever. Dude they they took jerseys back on Ray Rice and made him the man of the game last year and brought him back. So, like, you know, they can point to that and say, one day, but not today, and you got to go kick somewhere else. And good luck, you know, like I would, I honestly, if youโre asking me early on, you know, knowing that this isnโt going to go away and itโs going to be awful. I mean, itโs already is couple hours old, and itโs awful, you know, my guess would be that the Ravens wouldnโt want to have to get Chad steal together and have a press conference and entertain you guys. You know what I mean? You know I mean, like, oh and over and over and over again,
Luke Jones 21:31
sure. And you know what happens? You know, in terms of, and this goes back to what I said in terms of, had they heard anything? Had there been whispers of this years ago, and did they investigate it privately, as you know? I mean, there are very few secrets as it pertains to players. And you you can probably attest to things 25 years ago, almost 30 years ago, of certain players who got into hot water, whether it was something extremely serious or something that was, you know, a legal issue, but not necessarily something that was the end of the world. That there are plenty of things that donโt come to light that teams do know about, right, and teams do take care of. You know whether, whether you consider it ethically acceptable or not, that that happens, we have to keep an eye on that kid, because you should get into trouble for the ravens, I mean not for any team in any sport. You know, any high profile professional sport that those
Nestor Aparicio 22:25
flowers had allegations last year. Heโs doing M and T Bank commercials on their credit card,
Luke Jones 22:31
sure, but, but I think you know what. What makes this interesting, as you just you know? And again, weโre venturing into conjecture right now because it is still very early. But, and these are
Nestor Aparicio 22:42
also wealthy men that, you know, they they get preyed upon. You know what I mean, like the zay flowers thing, who knows? But like when guys have money, and they have, by the way, did you even hear Jane Daniels mother say, nobodyโs getting my kid? You know, I donโt know if you saw that. I did not see that. Oh, man, Jane Daniels mother said that. You know how many girls want my you know, like these guys are targeted. I mean, Iโll say that in a general sense, all the way around. So they do need security, right? I mean, I guess the point is, you want the team to know everything theyโre up to. From a legal standpoint, from an employer standpoint, thereโs only so much you can know, right? But I think these are 2021, 22 year old young people coming in. The last thing a billion dollar organization wants is this period at any time. Yeah, right. Well,
Luke Jones 23:26
and I think, you know what makes this? You know? What makes this more complicated in terms of trying to gage the team and how they respond to this and how they will or will not proceed, you know, then thatโs where how Justin Tucker performed in 2024 does become more relevant as it pertains to any potential decision about his employment, because of what I said before this was this happened. You know, the allegations are from 2012 through 2016 if the team at any point caught wind of anything, right? And again, you can find tweets that are three and a half years old alluding to something here, right? Unless, unless a couple random people just had the most random, miraculous coincidence that you can find of something that came out three and a half years later. True or not, there were, there was, there was smoke about it, right? Thatโs true or not, there was smoke about it. So again, from that standpoint, you know, if the Ravens did hear anything, and again, I donโt know that weโre, weโre reacting to this, right? Weโre trying to react to this in a as appropriately as we can. Understanding itโs a very sensitive topic. But now, if you talk in terms of it coming to light, now, if they knew something about it years ago, well, Justin Tucker was still the best kicker in the NFL, right? And thereโs would
Nestor Aparicio 24:51
never do that, would they? I mean, they would never, theyโd never done that in the past, with Ray Rice punching his wife in a glass. I mean, that day they. And throw a journalist out in the prime of his career, and chase him around and and then play they
Speaker 1 25:05
wouldnโt do, I mean, it doesnโt even even, it doesnโt even have to be that nefarious. Itโs as simple as we know that if one of the star players on a team gets a DUI, theyโre not going to get cut. I mean, they, you know, the league might discipline them in some relatively minor way, but theyโre not going to be cut. But you and I both know if itโs a practice squad guy on the team that gets a DUI, heโs gone right, and we know that. We understand that. And Iโm not even saying thatโs right or wrong. Thatโs just how it is. But you know now, when something like this comes to light, if you know, if youโre the ravens, and if Steve Bucha says, Hey, weโre not dealing with this, they kind of have the the cover of Justin Tucker had a bad season, right, where they can kind of say, well, you know, it was, it was, it was employment related. Was sure related. So, yeah, and again, you know, Iโm not using these uncomfortable
Nestor Aparicio 26:01
of fame guy. You know what I mean? Like, you know I Iโve interacted them hundreds of times. I just keep going back to, if you got thrown out of one, yeah, massage facility one time, for one thing, I would say, what that Were you drunk? What the hell did you do? Well, you know what I mean, like, I just if it was one, I donโt know what to say, and especially if youโre a public figure and youโre doing this stuff, but itโs like, oh, who would do it? Oh, the quarterback of the Houston Texas went around the city and did it sort of routinely. But, yeah, apparently his way of doing it was online with, you know, whatever. These were, like, places where I went in and then people, everybody went and these are massage facilities. This isnโt,
Luke Jones 26:51
this isnโt like some sketchy, you know, wrong side of town kind of place that, you know
Nestor Aparicio 26:56
what, I will make you laugh, because we have to laugh at least to stay alive, especially on the day when I lost Sean Simpson this morning, the last bless me Deacon Jones for the last massage I have had. And people laugh when I say this. I was in New York City, you know this? I went up. It was election. I went up alone. Two days. I went up for concert, hung out and Chinatown I go and I had, I have a place in Chinatown. Go ahead, make your joke. And I itโs legitimate, very legitimate place. And I went in, and when I went in as the first time Iโd ever seen this in and theyโre, theyโre little more like stalls in New York. Theyโre not like full like rooms with and people here are familiar with fountains and running water and just sort of these nice, elegant, really elegant. A lot of the the places Justin Tucker has been accused of some of these places, very elegant places. Theyโre spas, theyโre nice places. And this place in Yorkโs nice, nice enough, but on the wall it said, No, Hanky Panky. Literally, it said on the wall, no. And Iโd never seen that. Iโve been in a million place, but youโre in New York, youโre in Chinatown. Itโs just sort of like, Hey, dude, read the Wall,
28:04
right? Thatโs that. Yeah. You know,
Nestor Aparicio 28:06
weโre all, Iโm 56 weโre grown ups here, you know what I mean. But, and I am saying that legitimately, to say we all know the difference. And Sean Watson was even doing something a little bit more way on the edge. If you go read all of that and went on there, this is not that story in any way, or that accusation in any way. This is a whole different level of funky monkey. And in regard to whatโs appropriate, whatโs not, and itโs a sad
Luke Jones 28:39
story, right? And and they talk in the story. And again, I encourage everyone you know, whether you have a subscription or not, have someone who does subscribe, have them send it to you, right? I mean things like that. I mean, but it even acknowledges, in the in the in the story, that whatever gray area there can be, right? And you know, Iโll give you a perfect example. It acknowledges, you know, they talk to people who in that field, where they acknowledge that a male client can accidentally, briefly get aroused, right? And they say that that is not uncommon, but what they allege, and the details that are spelled out here is whatever that gray area is, this went well beyond Well,
Nestor Aparicio 29:29
hang on for secular these women that are massaging people in these places are massaging dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, of clients, and when they deem something to be out of bounds, any of them, right? Itโs out of bounds. You know what? I mean, like, I donโt come on, but what? But
Luke Jones 29:46
me saying that is spelling out that theyโre even acknowledging that that does happen from time to time, right? You know, itโs the, you know, itโs the George and Seinfeld scenario, when he got a massage at one point. And if. Youโre a dude, you apologize immediately, and youโre embarrassed, and then you go on, and itโs fine then, right? But they spell it out and make it clear, according to, you know, according to these massage therapists, that it went well beyond that, right? So, so even acknowledging what ambiguity, you know, whatever space there is for a little bit of ambiguity, this is way beyond that. And I think the reporting, you know, spells that out. You know, I, you know, I came away from that having never gotten a professional massage myself. So I plead a lot of ignorance here in terms of, you know, what, what would you know, what, what the process is for the massage, and all that you know, but it, they made it, spelled it out that this wasnโt just, you know, some vague little bit of gray area, and thatโs it. You know that it went beyond that. Well, I donโt know
Nestor Aparicio 30:49
how much further we need to go into this report, right? I made the report. We will be following whatever the football is. Iโm doing a whole bunch of community charity stuff next week. Weโre not going to be doing 58 segments on this. Iโm not going to be, you know, calling around to get other opinions, maybe some legal opinions, if there is such a thing, or some insights into that, or but, but Iโm, you know, weโre not doing reporting on this as much as weโre doing reaction to this. Should say, this is a bombshell story for the league, for Justin Tucker, for the city, for the team, for these young ladies, just kind of all the way up for the banner too. I mean, for to be doing this kind of reporting and getting tips and saying, weโre gonna, weโre gonna, weโre not afraid of Chad Steele. I mean, that good for them. I mean, they reported something that nobody in Owings Mills wanted reported. Thatโs when you thatโs when youโre doing journalism,
Luke Jones 31:44
yeah, well, I mean, they certainly donโt, they donโt want it to be true, you know, they donโt want it out there, right? Sure. You know, I think as we wait to see what happens next, and you know, if you even go to the banners website, you know, to their sports section, thereโs literally a link for you know, if you have a tip, if you have more information, if you know, you know, if youโre a massage therapist who you know, encountered the same thing you know, to reach, be able to reach out anonymously in a you know, for them to reach out, you know, to professional. I had
Nestor Aparicio 32:18
a friend reached me and said a friend of theirs would confirm it, but would never come forward, sure, sure. And that happened the first hour. And then somebody very connected to me, thatโs somebody that would not lie. I got a text right away and said I got somebody, but that person would never come forward, sure, and look and that, and thatโs, and thatโs that personโs right, because that person has nothing to gain at this point, exactly any former client, and Justin Tucker probably wasnโt. If you know people that have the that are massage there, they donโt this doesnโt happen once in their life, because people are you know that this allegations and hints and get out of my place or whatever, like, I think it happens, you know more often and when it happens, you donโt really have any recourse whenever it happens, which is part of my house of Ruth saying, of whatever happens, sometimes you have no recourse and you donโt, you know, the law is not going to protect you, as well as fame money bill, we go down to Bill Cosby route for all of these women, this is not, this is just such A i Itโs, you know, this is not easy. And you know, for even for my friend, you said this, you know, came to me and said this, this person will not come forward, no way in hell, because thereโs nothing to get there. And it was long time, you know, whatever, whatever. Just, no, Iโm not doing it. And everybody reserves the right to that. They also reserved the right to speak out of truth too. Yeah, journalist Knox,
Luke Jones 33:43
no question. And thatโs where, you know, itโs going to be very interesting to see what happens now. You know, do do more massage therapists come forward? I mean, go look at the timeline of the Deshaun Watson thing. And you know, this is, Iโm not saying this is exactly the same as that, let me be very clear. But you saw how that started out with however many and then more came forward. Will more come forward in defense of Justin Tucker, I donโt know, right? I mean, I really donโt know. You know, Iโve again, heโs entitled to, you know, the idea of innocent until proven guilty. You know, even though doesnโt sound like right
Nestor Aparicio 34:22
now, if I were accused of this 15 years ago, Iโve had the same massage. There was a 15 years she would at least stand up say, I tip the dude 200 massages. You know, like, I mean, like, that would happen right away. And, and I do know this dude, and I donโt know if you know this as well as I know this, because Iโve been on airplanes at different points, with people who give these guys special vitamins, they get them ready for games and fluids and needles and things, and they all believe in massage. I mean, all the you know, most players in that locker room get work done, and lots of work done, and especially kickers, you know. I mean. Mean just, Iโve known them all so that theyโre kicking the national football. He does have massage therapists. Yeah, I mean just literally,
Luke Jones 35:09
no question. And in fairness to Justin Tucker, the reporting in the article also did include some massage therapists who worked with him. I think I want to say the timeline for that was through 2016 through 19, something along those lines, who said he was nothing but professional, right? So that was presented. That doesnโt mean that theyโre true and the others are lying. Itโs just there were some accounts of him not acting inappropriately. But that doesnโt mean he did, didnโt in the previous ones, or he hasnโt with others who havenโt come forward. Right? So again, weโre, weโre working off of an incomplete picture here to some degree or another, because, you know, I donโt think weโre going to get a TMZ video that comes out of this that proves it in the way that Ray Rice with his wife in the casino. But that said that I think itโs important for us all to recognize, take this seriously. This isnโt a joke. This isnโt something to make light of. This isnโt something to worry about whoโs kicking footballs for the Ravens next fall. This is, you know, this is a very serious, very serious accusations here, and very uncomfortable and gross accusations here. And I think we while we all have questions, and thereโs unknown, you know, parts of this and gaps that we hope to be able to fill, but who knows if we will, itโs important to recognize that. And Justin
Nestor Aparicio 36:31
bucker also had the opportunity to come out and say, Sure, I really did some stupid stuff 10 years ago, and Iโm sorry for it. Yeah, like, and he didnโt do that. So, you know Iโm saying, like, I, you know? Like, I think weโve all done something somewhere along lifeโs highway that if somebody came to accuse us, they probably shouldnโt have done that you could step up and as long as you didnโt kill anybody. And like, you know what Iโm saying? Like, sure you could say that was not cool. And, yeah, Iโm gonna, Iโm gonna fix that. I donโt know heโs given himself leeway for that any more than Ray Rice grabbed the phone and said, I didnโt punch her in the face. And he did. And people in the room knew he did. She knew he did, and their Creator knew he did, and he stole a fan of the game 10 years later. Itโs not an autograph to make money, and lifeโs gone on for him, you know. So I donโt know how that goes, but all of them lied. They all lied about throwing me out. They all lied about Ray Rice. Theyโre liars. Would they lie? Sure theyโd like he could kick the ball 65 yard. They would. I know they would. Now, what they know I donโt know, but him saying Iโm innocent. You know, he, he canโt come back now and say, Well, that was 10 years ago. I really that wasnโt good. And if he didnโt do it, he didnโt do it like, you know, you know, sure, die on the Hill get to, you know. I mean, I, you know, Lord knows, I die on the hill with Chad Steele because I didnโt do anything that warrants me not being there to ask him questions. But these are prime examples of why they donโt want people like me around. But I can honestly say nobody needs Baltimore came to me and ever told me this. This never came to my lap. It wasnโt like, Oh, I heard that one time in Highland. Yeah, no, I donโt have that. I donโt have that. I heard a whole lot more about Kevin Costner. Lights going out, and itโs ridiculous, but, like, stupid stuff then this, but now that itโs out, you and I are a couple of hours into this, and people are reaching to me with all on my Facebook, just sort of like, okay. I mean, I donโt know, I donโt know what comes from it, but nothing good. Um, done. Drop the ball on this. We going to watch a football game and go do some other things for a little while,
Luke Jones 38:41
yeah. I mean, this wonโt be the, as you mentioned, we will definitely talk about this, and, you know, weโre going to see what else comes to light, if anything good, good or bad, right?
Nestor Aparicio 38:53
I mean, itโs just, thereโs just so much you can say about it, right? I mean,
Luke Jones 38:58
right. And again, I think itโs just important to, you know, the internet is the internet, right? Social media, social media, so I
Nestor Aparicio 39:06
but this is a raven to an issue. Personally say weโre gonna let due process. Thereโs no, there is none of that. Itโs not, you
Luke Jones 39:13
know what I mean, like, and even, you know, even from, you know, the the leagues, the legal look into it. And you know, regardless of what, we know that there doesnโt have to be a legal case for discipline to potentially be taken. You know, with the personal conduct policy right or wrong, weโve known that. Weโve seen many cases about that over the years, ravens and otherwise. But you know, I think again, to take this seriously and to have the proper sensitivity with this, regardless of what the 100% truth is, one way or the other, right? And itโs not one way or the other, because thereโs multiple accounts here, you know, just to take that seriously and understand that, you know, this is not something to joke about. This is not something, yeah, this is something to feel gross and icky about. You know, the accusations
Nestor Aparicio 39:57
everybody took it that way in my world, people in. People who are outraged in whatever way that this story, itโs an outrageous story. I mean, it really is. Itโs salacious. Alright, heโs Luke. Iโm Nestor. Weโre gonna get back to football, baseball, the games we play. Weโre doing a couple Super Bowl next week. I swear, when weโre not talking about Justin Tucker, I think itโs the only segment weโre gonna do. We have just the greatest week of radio here with Chuck pagano coming back to Baltimore, and Luke and I discussing that, as well as Joe Flacco has been here. Jamal Lewis has been here. Heโs going to be at the big Verizon event next Sunday. My wife and I are going to get out. Sheโs a Verizon employee, so weโre going to get out early on Super Bowl Sunday, theyโre going to let me in the state. I get I get in the stadium for free. Iโm in. Letโs go. So you go down. There you go. I should have thrown that into the tag and so great. Mike Nolan. If you ever heard the Mike Nolan conversation, Luke, he was phenomenal. And then, I mean, what can I say about Ira Kaufman and and Jason Cole and just a whole bunch of Hall of Fame voters here this week, a Merrill Hodge stopped by as well in the sold me some tailgating goods and told me about the factor back. So we got Scott a lot of great radio here, and weโre not delving into 481, 1570 tell me what you know about you know Justin Tucker. So weโre not going to be itโs not going to be all day, all night around here, because we got other things to move on. But we set our piece. Iโm Nestor. Heโs loop. We are wnst. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, back to your regularly scheduled programming right after this.