We always enjoy our chats with NFL super agent Leigh Steinberg about quarterbacks, contracts and league issues but when it’s World Series time in Los Angeles, the lead story is always his first love of the Dodgers and summer nights at Chavez Ravine. Don’t worry: we talk Lamar and Mahomes, too!
Nestor Aparicio and Leigh Steinberg discussed the excitement around the World Series, highlighting Shohei Ohtani’s remarkable performance and the potential of the Blue Jays. They reminisced about Steinberg’s lifelong love for the Dodgers and the impact of players like Sandy Koufax and Maury Wills. They also analyzed the NFL landscape, focusing on the importance of quarterbacks like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes, and the challenges faced by teams when key players are injured. Steinberg emphasized the need for second chances in sports, citing examples like Justin Tucker and the progress in neuroplasticity research for traumatic brain injury.
Dodgers and Baseball Observations
- Nestor Aparicio discusses the excitement of the World Series and the upcoming games for Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
- Leigh Steinberg shares his lifelong love for the Dodgers, reminiscing about attending the team’s first game in Los Angeles in 1958.
- Nestor and Leigh discuss the remarkable performance of Shohei Ohtani, comparing it to Jim Abbott’s remarkable achievements.
- Nestor highlights the cultural significance of Ohtani’s dual skills in baseball and football, drawing parallels to Bo Jackson and Brian Jordan.
Toronto Blue Jays and Canadian Baseball
- Nestor talks about the Blue Jays’ unexpected success and their potential to become a major baseball brand in Canada.
- Leigh Steinberg notes Toronto’s significant spending on baseball, mentioning the contract for Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
- Nestor expresses his support for the Blue Jays, especially given their Canadian roots and the rivalry with the Dodgers.
- Leigh emphasizes the strong connection between Canada and the United States, predicting a high-rated World Series between the Blue Jays and the Dodgers.
Dodgers’ Legacy and Fan Culture
- Leigh Steinberg reflects on the Dodgers’ history of winning and their consistent success over the years.
- Nestor shares his experience of attending a Dodgers game at Chavez Ravine and the excitement of seeing Ohtani play.
- Leigh discusses the Dodgers’ ability to draw large crowds and their universal love among fans in Los Angeles.
- Nestor recounts his visit to the Hollywood Bowl and the various concerts he attended, highlighting the vibrant cultural scene in LA.
Quarterback Dynamics and Team Success
- Nestor and Leigh discuss the importance of having a franchise quarterback and the challenges faced by teams when their key player is injured.
- Leigh explains how different environments and support systems can impact a quarterback’s performance, using examples like Daniel Jones and Joe Flacco.
- Nestor highlights the success of Patrick Mahomes and the challenges faced by quarterbacks like Lamar Jackson and Joe Flacco.
- Leigh emphasizes the need for a supportive system and the right circumstances for a quarterback to thrive.
Lamar Jackson’s Injury and Team Performance
- Nestor and Leigh discuss the impact of Lamar Jackson’s hamstring injury on the Ravens’ season and the pressure on him to return.
- Leigh expresses confidence in the Ravens’ ability to recover and emphasizes the importance of Lamar Jackson to the team’s success.
- Nestor shares his belief in the Ravens’ talent and potential to make a strong comeback in the second half of the season.
- Leigh highlights the importance of having a quality backup quarterback and the challenges faced by teams when their starter is injured.
Second Chances and Player Redemption
- Nestor and Leigh discuss the concept of second chances in sports, using the example of Justin Tucker and his recent suspension.
- Leigh explains the criteria for players to get a second chance, including acknowledging their mistakes and taking steps to prevent recurrences.
- Nestor reflects on the importance of second chances in sports and the potential for players like Tucker to return to their previous form.
- Leigh emphasizes the importance of talent and the willingness of teams to give players a chance to redeem themselves.
Innovations in Football and Rule Changes
- Nestor and Leigh discuss the evolving nature of football, including changes in fourth-down decisions, long field goals, and kickoff returns.
- Leigh highlights the increasing tendency for teams to go for it on fourth down and the impact of these decisions on game strategy.
- Nestor compares the changes in football rules to changing the rules of blackjack in the middle of a game.
- Leigh notes the significant differences in the way football is being played this year compared to previous seasons.
Traumatic Brain Injury and Player Health
- Leigh Steinberg discusses his new foundation focused on traumatic brain injury and raising funds for research.
- Leigh shares his concerns about the long-term health of football players and the progress being made in neuroplasticity research.
- Nestor reflects on the impact of CTE and other traumatic brain injuries on players and the need for better safety measures in football.
- Leigh emphasizes the importance of parents being aware of the dangers of tackle football and making informed decisions about their children’s participation.
Developments in Los Angeles Sports
- Nestor and Leigh discuss the recent developments in Los Angeles sports, including the construction of new arenas and the impact on the local sports scene.
- Leigh shares his involvement in efforts to bring a team to Los Angeles and the potential for new teams to join the city’s sports landscape.
- Nestor reflects on the growth and development of Los Angeles as a major sports hub, with multiple teams and venues.
- Leigh highlights the importance of having a diverse range of sports and the impact on the city’s cultural and economic landscape.
Final Thoughts and Future Plans
- Nestor and Leigh discuss the upcoming Super Bowl and the potential for the Chiefs to perform well with their key players returning.
- Leigh shares his excitement about the progress being made in neuroplasticity research and the potential for new breakthroughs in brain health.
- Nestor reflects on the importance of second chances and the potential for players like Justin Tucker to return to their previous form.
- Leigh emphasizes the need for continued efforts to improve player safety and the importance of raising awareness about traumatic brain injury.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Dodgers, World Series, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Shohei Ohtani, Blue Jays, Toronto, Patrick Mahomes, traumatic brain injury, concussion protocol, Justin Tucker, NFL quarterbacks, football injuries, second chances.
SPEAKERS
Leigh Steinberg, Nestor Aparicio, Speaker 1
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S T, we are having a great bye week here, no matter what the record says, Because rabbit crab cakes, it’s all brought to you by the Maryland lottery. I have Raven scratch also be a Costa simtimonium On Wednesday, and then back out for breakfast, maybe a little crab Imperial muffin over at State Fair in Catonsville. We’ll see everybody over there, World Series in progress. Allen’s joining us on that, and obviously all fingers across the Lamar Jackson, two football games on Sunday, first against the bears here, and then down to Miami on Thursday night, with quarterbacks everywhere on my screen this weekend, during bye weekend, watching a bunch of young quarterbacks in secondary places, whether it’s Baker Mayfield moving around other quarterbacks moving to their second home out in Seattle as well. I thought it’d be a great time to welcome Lee Steinberg back onto the program. He’s always generous with his time. Kind of any time of the year I can call on Lee, but it’s only once a year, I can call on Lee with he really is heartstrings. I mean, you know him, his agent, guy, Jerry Maguire, Patrick mahomes, we could do all that, but really late, the Dodgers are first and foremost with you, right? I mean, it’s a big week for even you.
Leigh Steinberg 01:14
They are. It was 1958 and they moved to Los Angeles, and they were the Brooklyn Dodgers, and my grandpa took me to opening day, and I fell in love with Sandy Koufax and Maury wells and Jim Gilliam and John Roseboro and the whole Team. And it’s, it’s been a love affair since then, and this may secondarily, be a Laker town, but it’s a Dodger town, and people are absolutely ecstatic. Shoya Otani may have had the greatest single game players had in the history of baseball. I
Nestor Aparicio 02:02
said the Jim Abbott to me, of all the things I’ve seen in 40 years of doing this, Jim Abbott’s the most remarkable thing I’ve seen. But from an individual standpoint, this Ron Otani is on, and I think Dion’s become cartoonized a little bit for the coach and the NFL Network and all the commercialization of Dion. But Dion is a baseball and football player, and Bo Jackson and Brian Jordan from here in Baltimore, and what this kid in Jacksonville is doing amazing, but pitching and hitting. Every Kid in Little League did it. Every kid’s whose manager you know on the Little League team had. The kid was a shortstop, third base. He also pitched, and it just in our culture. It just really has never happened. And I find it remarkable what he did last week in an individual effort like up there with Chamberlain. I don’t even know what to compare it to, really.
Leigh Steinberg 02:55
So if he had just pitched six shutout innings with 10 strikeouts, it would have been enough. Or if he just hit a Homer, it would have been enough, but he hit three, and it was the crowning game about the right to go to the World Series. So we always evaluate athletes by where they are in clutch circumstances. And obviously he goes down in history. And the exciting thing is, we get to watch it.
Nestor Aparicio 03:30
Well, yeah, and so does Canada and the whole America versus Canada thing. And, you know, I’ve talked a little bit about that. We began the season in Toronto. The opening day, the Orioles were the team that was going to be the 90 win team, and the Blue Jays were just trying to figure it out. Now, they they backed into a World Series here, or fronted into a World Series as an American League East guy in Baltimore worried about the money of the Yankees and the Red Sox. The Blue Jays are the kind of engine that could become the Dodgers of Canada, right, just from a financial standpoint, for what that brand is going to be again, as it was 30 years ago with Joe Carter,
Leigh Steinberg 04:11
I think that people forget that Toronto’s in that group of big spenders, and they just did a contract for the younger lad, Guerrero. That was like $600 million and the countries love each other. The governments are having some problems, but the point is, we grew up loving Canadians, and so I think it’ll be a great series. You have two different countries, you have two of the five biggest cities in North America, so the ratings ought to be huge.
Nestor Aparicio 04:54
Is it okay that I root for the Blue Jays because of Getty Lee? Is that okay? And getting these.
Leigh Steinberg 04:59
Absolutely I’m ecumenical. I just happen to have grown up a Dodger fan, and they’re, as you said, they’re my heart. And we used to be. They had a thing called transistor radios, which are younger listeners are not going to remember but and you used to be able to stick it under your pillow, and after your parents put you to sleep in the 50s, then you could listen to the rest of the Dodger game. And so we grew up loving Vince scully’s voice, and it was a they marketed Los Angeles like it was Des Moines, Iowa. They had back to school night and Little League night and Boy Scout night. And so the concept became going to a Dodger game. And for all the fun people make up about Southern California sports fans, the Dodgers just drew 4 million fans, and they’re universally loved.
Nestor Aparicio 06:11
I would say this. I was in LA about a month ago on your recommendation in chip namius, who told me, Go to the Hollywood Bowl. I need to go. So I finally went to the Hollywood Bowl, and I saw Pete and Roger saw the who saw The Joe Perry Project, and Steven Tyler showed up, and slash showed up. So I had this remarkable night. I had one extra night. I was going to go to the whiskey, or I was going to go to the troubadour, or maybe both. And Janet Marie Smith said to me, as she is known to do, Nestor, you know, we’ve added new we have new ground. We have new things for you to see in Chavez Ravine. So the next thing you know, I’m at Chavez Ravine eating a Dodger dog, watching Otani play for the first time in my life, and maybe seeing a world champion. The reason I root for Toronto is because, like the Dodgers won over. You’ve had championships at every stage of your life. Lee, as a Dodger fan, right?
Leigh Steinberg 07:06
Literally, yes. They came in 1958 in 1959 they won the World Series, and then again in 63 and they just kept turning over. Yes, they got number of players from other teams, but their farm system just crank it out, rookie of the year, Rookie of the Year baseball pitcher. They just kept cranking them out, and they would play with the same players for a long time. So just when you said goodbye to the Kofax Ron, fairly Maury Wills, dodgers, along came to Steve Garvey Ron, say Davey Lopes, dodgers, Bill Russell, and they just kept evolving over time. So it’s it’s happy days here in Southern California.
Nestor Aparicio 07:59
Well, I drove around by accident getting to Rubio’s fish taco over in El Segundo, and I just backed into the Chargers facility. And I’m like, I didn’t recognize it. I’m like, and then I drove through the SoFi area there in LA to see what’s going on there with Herbert. And you know what Golf has become in Detroit and what Stafford has become in LA and from a quarterback standpoint, it’s quarterback League. It was when you and Bart Caskey were, you know, college dorm guys together 50 years ago, but for Lamar and for my franchise and the investment made Lamar his cap number, 74 million next year league so and when he doesn’t play two games, you fall into this disrepair one and five. And somehow Joe Flacco can go into Cincinnati and win. And somehow the Second Chance quarterbacks that were drafted into places like Cleveland, the New York Jets, the Carolina Panthers, different places where it’s been more difficult to win. Your guy, mahomes, goes into Kansas City and creates a royal situation there for everyone. But it’s not I mean, when quarterbacks have success, there’s so many things, including having a good agent as Patrick mahomes as but there’s so much that goes into success and failure and owning it along the way, because there is no rocket ship to the top. I mean, even the Josh Allen’s and the Lamar Jackson’s MVP still looking for the ultimate
Leigh Steinberg 09:33
so here’s the basic principle in baseball, if you could hit the ball in Camden Yards, you could hit the ball in Dodger Stadium. If you could hit it in Yankee Stadium, you could probably hit it in pack Mel Park. But football situational, and it’s why the situations and what the expectations are in the way they play the game. It’s the same game, but it’s different. So that’s why Daniel Jones can leave the Giants, where he’s under fire and and have the best record in the league right now. That’s where Sam darnold can come in. That’s where Joe Flacco is at Cleveland. But they put him in the right circumstance with the right offense in Cincinnati, and all of a sudden, you know, he’s spectacular. And so it’s situational. Mac Jones is having success as a backup in San Francisco. It’s situational. And if you’re a big star in one place, you may flame out in another. And conversely, if you’re having struggles in one place, you put a player into a different system, different support, different coaching, and they flourish.
Nestor Aparicio 10:54
Lee Steinberg is my guest, the man, the myth, the legend, and always a pleasure to have him on and talk about serious stuff going on, especially during a bye week where we have these two games on Sunday and Thursday, which it always creates sloppy football, all the head injuries, all the bad injury, all the things we talk about, but for Lamar and this hamstring, and the $50 million hamstring that he has, and the pressure on a quarterback to get back in and play. Thoughts about that a little bit at this point in the season, with a hamstring injury and one and five, because it’s um. Tom Brady called the game last week here when they played the Rams, and he used words like desperate here,
Leigh Steinberg 11:32
um, remember that the ravens are one of the five, six quality organizations in all of football, and the season is not over yet. I guarantee you that Lamar Jackson is frothing at the mouth to get back on the field, and players just want to play so but these things happen. It’s the problem is that football today has become a game where if you have a franchise quarterback, and the Ravens certainly have one in Lamar Jackson, then that is the irreplaceable key to to being able to be triumphant, getting through the playoffs of the Super Bowl, and when you lose that critical player, it becomes difficult, because we’re not playing in an era. You might remember that Joe Montana was backed up by Steve Young and backed up by Steve Bono in Minnesota, rich Gann and Wade Wilson were both starting quarterbacks, and for years ago in Washington, jayder and Doug Williams were both starting quarterback. We don’t have that situation anymore. The backup is clearly the backup, and you will get a drop off and and the rest of it. But I have confidence in Baltimore. I mean it. They may just scrape in, but I I wouldn’t give up on the fact they’ll pull it all back together. I said
Nestor Aparicio 13:15
they’re going to go six and two, and they’ll be seven and seven and and then they’ll have to go play for their supper in into January, because I believe in the talent, I believe in the I believe in everything that, that that, when I talk to national people, that they believe in. Lee Steinberg is here you you know, you’re famous for starting quarterbacks and Hall of Fame quarterbacks. You’ve negotiated some backup quarterbacks too, and some guys that were on the come or second, you know, chance quarterbacks, or hey, give me a chance. And if you give me the ball, I’ll become a starter again. Things that have happened to Geno Smith, the things that have happened to other quarterbacks that Joe Flacco five times now, the Cooper rush thing was curious here in that the Ravens have since departing with Flacco and having Lamar and having a mobile quarterback that Tyler Huntley was the backup here pretty well. For being a backup, there’s no there’s there’s no one a for Lamar Jackson, you know. There’s no back, no stand in for him, like Tom Cruise, you know. And but that being said, the Cooper rush thing was always curious to me. And from an agent standpoint, when you’re you’ve just said you want to direct your guys to be in a system where it can work. A guy like Joe Flacco, get him some protection, a running game, and elite wide receivers, he can get him a football because he can throw it. But all of those parts have to work. And to some degree, when you’re the last man standing, you get picked, but the Ravens pick Cooper rush. And I always thought it was a little bit curious
Leigh Steinberg 14:42
Lee, except if you look at Cooper’s record, he was the king of preseason. Year after year, he would have the best stats in preseason. Then when they put him in the substitute in Dallas. Yes, he played really well. So I believe in Cooper rush, I think that they’ll have better days with him. You know, they had a generalized sort of meltdown a couple games. And
Nestor Aparicio 15:16
the line hasn’t been good. And I guess, to my point is it’s built for Lamar. So when you put somebody else in it, and there are no other lamars, which you know all the way around this, it’s always your nightmare to play your backup quarterback, no matter who it is. It just it’s looked disjointed, because it doesn’t look like Lamar, quite frankly.
Leigh Steinberg 15:34
Well, they are two different, very different types of quarterbacks. Cooper tends to be a cup passer, where Lamar is a threat to run every time and moves outside the pocket, but I’m confident they’ll get it together. You
Nestor Aparicio 15:53
know, we’re this far into the year, and we’re trying to figure out what the kickoffs are and all that stuff. The part where the coach goes into the concussion protocol 10 and like, there’s stuff that happens in this league every single week that I scratch my head and I wonder, you know, seeing new things in all this for you, do you still see things every week from where your vantage point? Say, I’ve never seen that before, or even as an agent or a lawyer or an insider that you’re a rules guy or competition committee, all of these things to say, Hmm, I wonder what. I wonder how they’re going to rule on that.
Leigh Steinberg 16:29
So I think there are a couple of distinct differences in the way that football’s being played this year. One is the proclivity to go on fourth down. Football has always been a game of field position, yet you see teams at their own 45/4 and two going for it. Now, more and more and more, they should go for it. That’s the first thing that changed, because it goes against coaching sense to ever give up the ball midfield, right?
Nestor Aparicio 17:01
I feel like they’re changing the rules of blackjack in the middle of the casino, like, literally, right.
Leigh Steinberg 17:05
Second thing that’s happened is these long field goals. So it used to be, you got to about the 35 and that was a 52 yard field goal. And after that, you know, don’t even try punt the ball. But now they’re kicking the long field goals. The third thing that’s happened is that the return from a kickoff the last five years has been a non existent play. The ball was just kicked out of the end zone. Nobody cleared it back. It was a superfluous play. Now every kickoff is being run back, and 90% of them and so yes, you can see distinct differences in the way that football is being played that are different than what we saw last season. Last
Nestor Aparicio 17:57
thing for you, and I do want to hear about your works and I haven’t been your Super Bowl parties in recent years. And I know you’re always doing different stuff community wise, especially out there in LA the Justin Tucker situation, when you mentioned kickers making long kicks, I’m seeing kickers Miss short kicks too, and I’m seeing that Justin Tucker may very well be one of the 32 best kickers on the planet, if not a Hall of Famer. And listen, I mean, your life has been about second chances. You’ve written books, you’ve been very, very transparent about anything that’s happened in your life that other people have lifted you up. And you’ve had second chances in this incredible blossoming career, you know, another time around with my homes and these championships and all of that, second chances in Justin Tucker as a spokesperson, as an agent, as a team, signing a team needing a kicker, I believe he’s going to kick in the league. It’s a really weird, sticky, icky thing in Baltimore, with what’s been said and done and hasn’t been said and done by the team, by the agent, by him, by the people he represented, he was a spokesperson here for an organization that I was a spokesperson for in many, many ways. It’s um, I don’t know how that the community knows how to handle it here, but there’s going to come a point where a team is going to bring him in, and he’s going to have an agent, he’s going to have a mia culpa, or whatever the story is. After a 10 game suspension, we saw Rashi rice come back. You’ve been a part of this. Tell me how this road works. Lee to bring back someone like Justin Tucker and have him kick for an organization.
Leigh Steinberg 19:29
So when someone has untoward circumstances, self inflicted or not, the question is whether they acknowledge it, and if they can acknowledge it, can they show that they’ve taken steps to prevent a recurrence? Right? So this is not a pattern, it’s it’s more a one off, if someone. Apologizes, take steps to remediate whatever the behavior is. Then, this country loves second chances, and it’s all about talent level, and teams who play virtually anybody, as long as they had the right talent level. So you can’t remember that Kobe Bryant had an untoward circumstance right in in Denver one year it passed. So kicking is a really shaky part of a football team anyway, so he’ll get another chance.
Nestor Aparicio 20:47
All right. Well, what are you doing that’s good in the world that I need to talk about that I don’t have the notes to ask you about. What’s what’s getting you up every day, other than mahomes beating our ass again. I hope we just get to January. We’re one in five right now. I’m not going to talk like that until we’re 500 team, but I know mahomes Still looks very hungry, and lately they look good again. Don’t look up again.
Leigh Steinberg 21:10
I think people early in the season, when they lost a few games, forgot the fact they didn’t have Xavier worthy and wide receiver, and they didn’t have Rashi rice at wide receiver, so what he was looking at the throw to was less effective. Now those players are back. So now the chiefs, you know, ought to roll. I established a new foundation to deal with traumatic brain injury and raise money to do research. Because, as I’ve told you before, I had a crisis of conscience back in the 1980s and representing half the starting quarterbacks, they keep getting a hit in the head, and we would go to doctors and ask them, How many is too many? What’s the magic number? And they had no answers. So we’ve come a long way since then. The concussion protocol is in advance. The rules against hitting quarterbacks in the head or neck is in advance. There are actually teams Nestor conferences like the Ivy League, that play football without any hitting in practice. For preseason, they just model the plays. So we’re making some progress, or two new breakthroughs in neuroplasticity that can re heal a concussed brain. One of them is called rTMS, which is magnets against the brain, and the other is neurofeedback, and there are so it’s promising, but you know, at our Super Bowl party, we’ll have a couple hours on brain health and a brain body lounge to try to bring awareness, because I care about players long term health.
Nestor Aparicio 23:08
I never expect the league to bring it up. And having been a deposed media member now my fourth year being thrown out after 30 years of being on the inside and having injured players, knowing injured players, knowing players of my generation. I’m now 57 who were my age when the Ravens got here 30 years ago, who have CTE issues and have had trauma in all sorts of ways. I applaud you, because it is it’s going to come from the outside and listen. I see the helmets. I see those soft helmets, and I wonder why they don’t all wear them. I guess they’re not shiny enough for the league, but whatever would make it more safe for my child, my loved one, my brother, my client, my friend, my nephew, whomever niece to be involved in the game would make me feel better about it, because it is so violently
Leigh Steinberg 23:56
and I think parents have To be very aware of what the dangers are in tackle football and and make their mind up that there will come a limit to the amount of head injury, that it’s rational to expose yourself to
Nestor Aparicio 24:14
Dodgers and how many.
Leigh Steinberg 24:17
Hey, if they win in seven, I’ll be delighted. So the fact they swept the Brewers has nothing to do with playing the Blue Jays.
Nestor Aparicio 24:29
I must say to you your name came up a couple weeks ago about I had some Houston people on or something about when la didn’t have a team, and the Maryland played at the Rose Bowl for the first time last weekend here against Rick Nestor, kid, so um, but being out and seeing so far and seeing, I went to a concert about a year and a half ago at the old forum. Saw Pearl Jam there, and I saw, growing up, my wife hadn’t been to LA in like five years, and we drove through that area, and there’s another arena now that the Clippers play. I. Yeah, the Inglewood footprint. I could have never have imagined that. And I must ask you, because you’re one of the smartest dudes I know. You were there when Crunky, and you know, the whole deal went down with Spanos and, like, you know, everything that happened, I was at the owners meetings in Scottsdale. Did you know that this is going to become a Hollywood Park. Like everything you know about LA and your life there, that when you drive through it, it, it is kind of remarkable. Two miles away from LAX to me,
Leigh Steinberg 25:30
no, it’s great. And remember, I was chairman of Save the Rams, and one of the teams that we looked at to bring in was Tampa Bay, back in another life, but that site was going to be Hollywood Park, so I knew that when they stopped racing, they the room in Inglewood was great. And now you’ve got the Clippers there too. So it’s but remember, we’re like Noah’s Ark. We have two baseball two, football two, hockey, two, soccer, two, basketball,
Speaker 1 26:03
two colleges, USC and UCLA, right? So it’s fairly active.
Nestor Aparicio 26:09
Well, I always love my time in LA. I love spending time with you. Miss you. Thank you for always visiting and being the wisdom guy you are. I need more sage. You know, Yoda types around here, so you keep me in line. Lee Steinberg, I appreciate that. So thank you very much. Keep up the great work with the league too. My pleasure and good luck to Patrick mahomes, and I sort of mean it. I am Nestor. We are W, N, S, T. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We never stop talking Baltimore. Positive. You.
