It’s easy to go marching into the Madness of college basketball season with Tom McMillen but our defending forward of Congressional service and American hoops diplomacy joins Nestor to discuss a lot about Russia, the state of the world and a little about the path of the Maryland Terrapins this month.
Nestor Aparicio and Tom McMillen discuss the Maryland Terrapins’ basketball season, expressing optimism about their performance and potential in March Madness. They touch on the commercialization of college sports, the impact of the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) on education, and the challenges of high-velocity transfers. McMillen highlights the unique American model of big-time college sports and the potential for gambling scandals. They also delve into political issues, including concerns about Donald Trump’s administration, the influence of Elon Musk, and the geopolitical implications of U.S. foreign policy towards Russia. McMillen emphasizes the resilience of American democracy and the importance of public service.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Maryland basketball, Tom McMillen, March Madness, NIL (Name, Image, Likeness), college sports, gambling concerns, Russian politics, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Maryland Terrapins, basketball recruiting, college education, professionalization, American system, geopolitical implications.
SPEAKERS
Tom McMillen, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive. We are positively taking the Maryland crab cake tour back out on the road. We will be at Faith Lee’s this week. I am wearing my state fair shirt with the Maryland flag in it, because this is going to be very Maryland themed piece we’re about to do here, but I will have Maryland lottery scratch offs the match gate ball to give away on the crab cake toward fade these on the sixth. We’re going to be at Pizza Johns in Essex on the 21st and then we’re going to be back at fake news on the second as we welcome the Orioles season in with the Red Sox game. Luke is monitoring all things ravens, all things Orioles. I haven’t done a lot on the Terps this year, and this guy is forever a Terp, because he was my original Terp in 73 along with Len Elmore and some others. We welcome back our defending champion, our road scholar. Are he a Terp our representative as well. We welcome the Honorable Tom McMillan back on who is still taller than me, and it makes it upsets me every time I have him on. How are you Tom? How’s life good?
Tom McMillen 01:05
Everything’s great. You know, every time I see you on Facebook or social media, I get very hungry for crab cakes. For some reason,
Nestor Aparicio 01:13
it’s working. See, it’s working, is what you’re telling me. All the marketing, it’s out there. It’s working. I’m gonna get it. Yeah, I want to get into Trump, and I want to get into politics and your side. Your side of the aisle, and which is my side of the aisle, by the way, but the basketball thing and where we are this week, I’m up here, and I always say we’re a W, N, S, T, Towson, Baltimore. And some people like even Elaine Bennison, Seinfeld Tosin, don’t know how to pronounce it, like Bowie or Bowie. When Towson starts playing some good basketball. It’s got the juices flowing up here, Maryland’s playing some good basketball as well. There’s some juices flowing. And I don’t know why I always reached you in March one day. I’ll reach you in the summer for a crab cake, and we’ll have at it. But when I think of tall guys dribbling, I think of you, and I’m like, I’m gonna get Tom on. We’re gonna talk a little basketball. And then the politics thing, obviously behind it, but the Terps and the n, i, L, and where we are and we’re not the ACC anymore, all of the changes that have been made, it’s still nice to see a big Michigan State game, even if you come on the other side of it, that March Madness is alive. We’re going to be talking basketball here next couple weeks.
Tom McMillen 02:16
Well, no, it’s a very exciting basketball year. I think the Terps are coming on appropriately, yet, time wise, because, you know, you don’t want to be great in the beginning of season. That’s one of the things about Michigan State, is that Tom Izzo knows to get them ready for the playoffs. And I think that’s what’s happening to the Terps. I mean, they that was definitely a game they should have won the other day and against Michigan State. But those things happen, and they make you stronger in a lot of ways as you go into the tournament. So I think I’m very optimistic about how they’re going to do. Yeah,
Nestor Aparicio 02:52
it’s great. You don’t have any PR people or anything. We just talk for 30 seconds, and I know a whole bunch of stuff about you, but I know you’re on the board of Maryland now, because you told me, and you’re there, and obviously a TURP and an alum and all of this, last time we got together, I mean, it might have been two or three years ago. We were an i Ling, sort of the beginning of it, and I attended something with Gary Williams for Cal senior up here, with Jay Wright stepping down. Since then, it’s been Larry Naga and some other coaches moving away from the game. And yet, you know, I have Pat scary on up here, and he’s 1314, years into this house of thing, and is sort of figured it out in this particular way and that kind of conference. I think there’s still a lot of figuring out on the football side of the fence, you know, across women’s sports, and there’s going to be politics in Title Nine and dei and all sorts of things we’ll talk about later in this conversation, when it gets to the serious part. But from the basketball part of the n, i, L, and where the money is, and at least we sort of know how the game’s being played. Now a little differently.
Tom McMillen 03:49
It’s a whole different game. Now it’s become extremely commercialized. Today, a coach has to recruit a player 24/7, because the kid can walk out the door and go into the transfer portal and go on to a new team. So, you know, I never had that when I was playing, I committed to Maryland. I could have, you know, you could have transferred, but there were limits on that. You had to sit out a year. And so now it’s, it’s a very, you know, high velocity transfers. I mean, these kids are moving around. The one thing that I think is very true is it’s going to be harder for these kids to get a really great education. I mean, they’re some of them are bouncing every year to a different school, and I don’t think that’s good for college basketball. One of the great strengths of college basketball is that you knew the roster. You got to know the players over four years. In many respects, that’s like the pros today. You sometimes don’t even know the rosters I could name, you know, the Yankees when I was growing up, but I can name a lot of professional teams. I couldn’t do that today. And I think that’s one of the consequences of this mobility, is that in this transience, is that you. Don’t really get to know the team. And I think that’s going to be true at Maryland. These teams are going to turn over quite rapidly.
Nestor Aparicio 05:06
Well, I know we I think last time we talked, we talked about gambling too, and that being a grave concern across all of sports, but specifically the collegiate level. And
Tom McMillen 05:16
it’s, you know, I was just reading some stuff about this the other day. And you know, United States of America is the only nation in the world that has big time gambling on sports events, on college games. When I went to Oxford, they had one gambling event, which was the crew race in London. And it’s a big race. People game on it. But there are no other events I’m hard pressed to think of events around the world, college events where there are there’s hardcore gambling, but that’s happening all over America, and that that really can’t be good for higher education, can’t be good for these kids. And I think we’re going to see some real consequences from it. Tom
Nestor Aparicio 05:59
McMillan is our guest, and this is you’re always smarter than me. You wrote scholar guys, but I don’t know that I’ve ever in my life, and I’ve spent a lot of time in Europe. I was plotting a little trip to go see the tulips next month as well over there, using what’s left of my passport at this point. And European sports, you never hear about colleges or March madnesses or College World Series, it’s almost like the institutions over there still are committed to education, not to big time football or big time basketball or just big time sports in general, because all of these college programs and I lead with Towson, I would think that Dr Ginsberg would probably, probably rather me lead with the education and how they’re leading in that way. But it does take sports to get your attention in this country in some way. Well,
Tom McMillen 06:44
it’s a very good point. And if you go around to European universities or Asian universities, I mean, sports is very minor. I mean, they have basketball at Oxford, but it’s, it’s very intramural. They don’t have the kind of high stakes sports that we have. I mean, in the United States, model was very different. We’re the only one in the world that has big time college sports and big time education at the same place. And you know that experiment has gone well over over time. I mean, Teddy Roosevelt had to step in in the early 1900s and deal with some of the violence in football, and there’s been all kinds of scandals. But I don’t know if the chapter is fully written about this, because now, not only coaches are making a lot of money, players are making a lot of money. Coaches and players will be the highest paid players in states across the country. In other words, right now, coaches are the highest paid players in the state of Maryland and work for public institutions. Soon, players will be added to that list. And you know it’s, it’s going to, it’s going to remain to be seen. What, where this all leads. I worry that you could have a major gambling scandal, and so do the, do the experts and it, it would be catastrophic for a university like the University of Maryland.
Nestor Aparicio 08:04
Well, I’m talking to a guy here, and before we get into politics, and the former Soviet Union, where I heard you played a basketball game and some medals were involved a number of years ago, I think we’ve told that story. I’m going to have you retell it in micro. But, um, before I get on to that, which will lead the politics. I would think if lefty was here right now and knew that the highest paid person the state would be the basketball coach, Lefty would have loved to have been the UCLA the east and promised that I just wrote that down as something because I’m such a wooden guy. You know that about me, and we’ve lost left, Lisa lefty, since the last time you and I got together. You were honoring lefty on my show a couple of years ago. You all threw a knight. That was a beautiful thing for him. What did that mean? The UCLA of the East? Can you define that for the kids out there? Tom, well,
Tom McMillen 08:51
UCLA was an incredible program headed by John Wooden and they had won so many titles in a row, and when Coach Gisele took over the Maryland game from the Maryland job from Davidson, my brother, who played at Maryland, J McMillan, sat down and said, lefty, you can make Maryland the UC UCLA of the East. And he grabbed that kind of so
Nestor Aparicio 09:16
your brother coined that, yeah, my brother, I didn’t even know that, and I ask you that question, how about that? I didn’t even Google that. Tom, yeah,
Tom McMillen 09:24
my brother played with Gary Williams at Maryland. By the way, my brother was a very good college player. I mean, he was the top in the top five scoring averages for Maryland for many years, and he went on to medical school and a great career. But he told lefty, you could make Maryland. It was aspirational. You can make Maryland the UCLA of the East. And he left, he grabbed that, and it’s just so right up his alley. And he, he took a lot of heat for it over the years. But, you know, we had a great program in 1972 you know, we blew through the NIT. The reason why we were in the NIT because only 25 Teams went to the NCAA that year. You had to win a conference, and they were a lot of weak conferences where the conference championship got in the NCAA and the ACC that had all these great teams, North Carolina, North Carolina State do only one got in. And so we ended up going to the to the NIT, where there were only 16 teams so, and we won that in a, in a, in a breeze. So you think back at it because of our, our 1974 game against North Carolina State, where, in overtime, several overtimes, we lost the state. By the way,
Nestor Aparicio 10:37
my first Maryland or college basketball memory, I just want to say that was, was David Thompson hit his head, correct?
Tom McMillen 10:44
Well, he, you know, he was incredible. He was incredible college player. That game had, you know, multiple overtimes. We went into it was a great game. State won it, but we couldn’t go on after that. That’s the year that Maryland won the national title. They lost the ACC. If they were in our position, they would have been. They would have had to end their season. So today, it’s full of second chances, and I think that’s good. It’s good for college sports. I
Nestor Aparicio 11:11
gotta ask you about Moses Malone in that period, because I don’t know the answer to all that. I know that that was all part of recruiting Moses. Was that a year before, after, it was in that 70, 345, period correct? Right
Tom McMillen 11:24
after I graduated, left, he brought Moses in. He worked so you would
Nestor Aparicio 11:29
not have played with him. You would have missed him, like Brad Davis, a couple of the guys that were pulled over, yeah, John Lucas,
Tom McMillen 11:34
who would have been an incredible team. And left, he really was close to to Moses. He’s he remained close to Moses through his whole career and until it would literally he died. And it says something about lefty. Lefty was also very close to Charlie Scott, who committed to Davidson, and then he switched it and went to North Carolina, if, if lefty had Charlie Scott at Davidson with Mike Malloy and all the players, he would have won a national championship there or two and so. But Moses was a, you know, force of nature, and he ended up never going to college. He went straight, he went he left Maryland and went right into the pros.
Nestor Aparicio 12:14
Alright, so Tom McMillan is here, the Honorable one who has served us as citizens as well. This is where I’m going to turn the basketball and maybe even a little bit of the gambling or a little bit of the illicit refereeing, to allow you the space to talk about what your Olympic experience and and the former Soviet Union, and being on the on and up, on the up and up, and winning even just medals 50 years ago as to why the President United States would flog the leader of Ukraine, Kyiv on behalf of Vladimir Putin. But you had a, you had a sort of a rough ride with the former Soviet Union and your youth, did you not? I did you
Tom McMillen 12:58
know, in 1972 we were a young team. We were playing the Soviets and in the finals World Championship on World TV, and we came from behind to win the game, but the referees kept, kept replaying the final play over and over again. We ended up winning the game, and then after three different attempts, the Soviets finally scored.
Nestor Aparicio 13:23
Where was this game being played? Munich, Germany. Okay, alright, so
Tom McMillen 13:27
five days after the Israeli athletes were murdered in the Arab terrorist attack on the village. So it was a very, very incredibly emotional Olympics, starting with that a terrible terrorist, what was
Nestor Aparicio 13:47
a tense time all over the world because of that. I mean, that was just, it was an outrageously shocking and I was four years old, and remember it the world stopped right, literally at that period of time when there was no internet either. Well, ABC
Tom McMillen 14:01
was watching it. There’s a movie out September 5. It’s really terrific. It’s about those moments, those two days when the Arab terrorists stormed and took, took the Israeli athletes and ended up killing them all. And it’s, it was a very we were there. I mean, we could see it. And then five days later, we had to play the Soviets for the world championship. Then we ended up having to go through all of our trauma of winning the game and then having the medals taken away from us. And then, to this day, we’ve never accepted the silver medals. They’re sitting in a vault in Switzerland. So,
Nestor Aparicio 14:42
and the belief without, well, maybe you could say it now, it’s been 5253 years, or, you know, I guess it feels like five minutes ago, right? Um, that that there was crooked refereeing going on in a sporting event in the Olympics, correct? Well, if
Tom McMillen 14:57
you go back, there’s been two documentary films on it. So. If you go back and look at it was just uncalled for. It would be like the commissioner of the NBA coming out at the final game of the World Championship and saying, We gotta replay this play over and over again to the other team wins. And that’s that’s sort of the essence of it. And it’s just, it’s unheard of, and yet it was happening on a world stage, in front of the world and so it’s a memory that, you know, when people ask me about Munich, the first thing I remember is the Israeli terrorist attack. That was the attack on the Israeli athletes. That was so unheard of, but where terrorism really didn’t exist. Then to have that happen in Olympic Village was just so, so off the charts. Then, of course, that our basketball game barbaric
Nestor Aparicio 15:50
was what you know, was what we would call it, then, right? Barbaric, well,
Tom McMillen 15:55
barbaric and just just so unheard of to see a sports event just taken over by by by a terrorist action. And so it changed the Olympics. You know, the security in the Olympics was pretty mild, and then it’s since ramped up. And as you know, it’s, it’s really changed sports around the world. Tom
Nestor Aparicio 16:18
McMillan is here, good American representative, basketball player, Rhodes Scholar, Terp, all of that. So let’s, let’s get on to the bigger stage of like, the embarrassment of that, and feeling like there’s crooked this and crooked that, and being on the up and up, gravely concerned about our country right now. Tom, yeah,
Tom McMillen 16:37
well, listen, I I’m an optimist. I think the I think our systems are strong, and that, you know, we will, we will prevail as a country, do the right thing. So listen, I’ve known Donald Trump a long time. I’ve known him probably 4050, years, almost when he was a Democrat. Funny enough, I knew him when he was contributing to Democrats, including me, when I was running for Congress. And so we’ve had these moments in time before Andrew Jackson was a very, very turbulent break the China kind of president, and that’s kind of what we’re dealing with right now. And you know, I’m a Democrat, I always remind people that you have to pick your battles carefully. Here. You can’t fight every battle. You got to pick your battles and but I think our The great thing about our system is we have elections every two years, and they have consequences. And elections will have consequences in this case. And if people feel that, you know, our leadership’s not doing a good job. They’ll make changes, and that’s the greatness of the American system. And so I am optimistic. I think our system has tremendous resiliency. And you know, time will tell explain
Nestor Aparicio 17:55
Elon Musk to me and the relationship to the state of Maryland in regard to how many federal employees we have, which is greater than any other state. As I’m wearing my state fair shirt with the Maryland flag on it, it feels to me like this is going to affect employment in our state in a gigantic way, as well as Virginia. And I know you spent some time on that side as well, but these two states in this area, the DMV, as the kids like to call it, you know, with Social Security up here in Baltimore, I’m, I’m gravely concerned about what’s on the up and up here. And certainly, what we saw last week with Zelensky and the Putin relationship that you served a long time for our people. You know a lot about Russia. Tom, yeah,
Tom McMillen 18:39
well, let’s deal with bus first. I mean, first of all, you have to admire the man. He’s a brilliant entrepreneur. He’s incredible. But I, what I don’t like about our system today is that unlimited money can flood the system and really and have tremendous consequences in elections today. You know, unidentified parties can send millions of dollars, if not 10s of millions of dollars, trying to defeat people or elect people, and I don’t think that’s good for our system. I think unlimited money that’s really unaccounted for creates tremendous problems in a democracy. And one of the biggest problems with Musk is that he’s threatens anybody who goes against him with millions of dollars of expenditures, and that’s why a lot of the Republicans don’t stand up to some of the things that he’s doing. And so to me, that’s that’s a grave concern. But I’ve also seen these things in the past. You remember the dark days of Watergate and that led to reform. I mean, after Watergate, we had lots of reform. And so after these events, there’ll be reform. And for the people of Maryland, our government employees, you know, I represented a lot of them, and they are hard working. They they sacrifice a lot. And I think that it’s, it’s sad. It’s being done so precipitously. Look, our government needs to tighten its belt. We can’t have $35 trillion of debt, and we need to figure out ways that we can scale back some of our expenditures. Remember, Bill Clinton balanced our budget. Last president to do so. And yeah, but I don’t think it should be done by sort of non elected folks who are who are really have no accountability. And so I do share that concern, because there’s a right way to do these things, and there’s a wrong way. And I think the at the end of the day, a lot of this will come out, and in the elections, people will have a chance to vote, and that’s the greatness of the American system.
Nestor Aparicio 20:43
Are you concerned about Trump, just in general, for the sanctity of the Republic, and putting completely unqualified people at every position with complete fealty to him, and then just sort of how disturbing the Elon Musk thing with the kid in there was and Zelensky, it’s not like we didn’t see this show four years ago, inject bleach, you know, on and on and on. We can go through it, but the Russia thing, the Russia thing for me, but go ahead.
Tom McMillen 21:11
Well, I think it’s very important that it’s a very interesting question you ask, because, you know, presidents should have the right to put their cabinet together. They want it. I mean, that’s just, that’s just generally, a general principle, but you would hope that presidents would pick Cabinet members of the highest quality. And I think that’s where the rub is, is that sometimes loyalty may be superseding quality here, and time will tell. I do think the American system has a tremendous feedback loop, and that is, you know, the protests and all that kind of stuff that’s happening across the country. The American people will let their sentiments be known, and it has a tremendous look at just reading about measles in Texas, Texas and and Secretary Kennedy is already changing his tune on vaccines and those issues. So I have a lot of faith in the people, a lot of faith in that they will rise and have their voices heard. And you know, is this the way we want to run? You know, everything, no, but I think the people have to, you know, stand up and and have their voices heard. And I think if they do that, they they will change people. Ultimately, the great thing about our system is that you have to run for office. You have to go do town meetings. You have to be in front of your constituents, and those constituents you listen to, particularly if you’re a member of the House where you get you have to run every two years. And so I have, as I said, I have confidence in our system Russia.
Nestor Aparicio 22:48
You spend a lot of time and a lot of ops meetings, um, suspending their, their their cyber counter cyber operations against the worst offenders in the history of the world without I don’t think Chinese, maybe a close number two, but you may correct me if I’m wrong, but I went back to 2016 in Cambridge Analytica, like all that went on that I saw my timeline in 14 and 15 and 16 with an unabated internet
Tom McMillen 23:20
it’s concerning, because Putin has never shown himself to be reliable on his trust worthy, or any of the above, and so anytime that you So, if I say, What possible reason could this administration be doing this? And the only reason I could give is I remember when Nixon went to China. And because I was at Maryland, and they had a ping pong game at Coal Field House, they brought the ping pong buyers over. And maybe what I think the world has to be very concerned about is the the coalition of Iran and North Korea and Russia and China, and
Nestor Aparicio 24:04
none of them have anything to do with our way of life. I’ve been
Tom McMillen 24:07
to several of those places. I’m trying to give you the only reason I could think of, which is that maybe they’re trying to put a wedge in there with the Soviet with with Russia and but otherwise, I don’t think Putin should be trusted at all. And you know, he’s a war criminal,
Nestor Aparicio 24:25
right by any by any measurement, bombing hospitals and children and like, and invading another, a sovereign country. He’s a war criminal, is he not the
Tom McMillen 24:38
only, the only reason, the only justification I can think of is that they’re trying to put a wedge in between China and Russia. Mean, that’s the only geopolitical reason that I can think because if and to stop a war which has gone on and on and on, and it’s sad. And I don’t, you know, I don’t, I, you know, I think the Europeans have. Have the right approach here, but we’ll see how this plays out. It’s a very, it’s a very. Sometimes you have to sit, sit back and look at history and say, the last thing that we would want on this planet is Iran, North Korea and the and the Russians and the Chinese to to get together. And that’s already happening. And if it can be, if it can be divvied up in any way, if we can break that up in any way that’s to our betterment, like if we can find a way to get the young people of Iran to rise up and to remove that theocracy, that would be a good thing. There’s not much we’re going to do about North Korea, and not much we’re going to do about China. So we’ll see how all this plays out. See, it’s interesting,
Nestor Aparicio 25:45
from all of your political experience that you look at, some of them are, could be converted in some way or saved in some way, because the Iranian people are, are, you know, they had a different way of life, all of them new grandparents that had much more of a western society, correct,
Tom McMillen 26:05
absolutely, it’s a now we will remain remains to be seen. I, you know, I’m, I’m a Democrat. I believe in for all the reasons why Democrats, but I think Democrats kind of lost their way too in the messaging of all this, I think, I think they have to get back to pocketbook issues. They have to talk about things that matter to people, which is, you know, inflation and the cost of everything, and those are the issues that I think Democrats have to focus on, and sometimes we don’t, and that that’s probably hurt us a little bit.
Nestor Aparicio 26:39
Most importantly, Tom McMillan is here, our dear elected. He’s a Terp. Terps in the run here this month. Let’s talk a little bit of basketball to lead us out of here and hoping that we can keep the country together through all of this. But for the Terps and what the program’s become, and certainly, has been another transition, right? I mean, into n i L and Big 10 and the playing West Coast teams. I mean all sorts of things going on that I don’t, I haven’t fully registered all of it or where it’s going to end, but they have a chance to make noise and play a couple of weekends here, right? Oh, I
Tom McMillen 27:17
think they’re, I think they’re coming on and they’re doing well, and I think they’ve started to gel. This year, they’re shooting a lot better than last year. They, you know, they, they have not, they did not have a good shooting year last year, and this year, they have some real talent on that play, that team. I mean, Queen and and, and all, all of the guards are terrific. So I think, I think, I think they’ll have, they’ll have a chance for a run here. I’m, I’m confident that the college basketball writ large is just a lot different. As I said to you in the beginning, it’s, it’s a different animal. And I’m not sure where in wrong on where this goes. Because, as I said, five years from now, players will be making millions of dollars. They already are in some schools, and it’s going to be really hard to keep up the pace, because not only are you know, you think about so many schools that are so so rich in resources, you’re going to see a greater stratification college sports. There’s going to be many more fewer haves and more have nots. And that’s, I don’t know if that’s always that’s good. And the other thing that’s going to be very concerning is, how will full professionalization on college campus be be received? I will be received by professors? How will be received by students? Will they want to still pay student aid, student fees to go to the game. I mean, all the things. How will gambling impact college sports in the future? All those things, will the fans like the rotation of the rosters so much that they don’t even recognize the team from year to year? Well, they like that. I those are questions that I think remain to be answered.
Nestor Aparicio 28:58
Well, I think it’s one of the things about Towson up here, just in the here and now, at that scary on last week, just keeping kids on campus couple years, fans know who they are. They feel good about their experience, the college experience you had, which was and still big time basketball, even then, as big as it could be in the early 70s, I gotta let you go. I know we can save America. We got basketball, but you’ve always so good to me, and I appreciate you coming on. Appreciate you coming on. I haven’t seen you the basketball game. What are you up to? You sit on a bunch of boards and stuff like that, right? But, um, you know, you work, but you’re not like, you don’t have a title anymore, right? Or an employer? No,
Tom McMillen 29:33
I’m, well, I’m a partner in a firm in Washington. We do a lot of different things, including some government work, but we, but I’m on a lot of boards, including Maryland’s, including a number of corporate boards. So I’m I’m staying pretty busy. Well, I
Nestor Aparicio 29:47
always love to have your voice here, the voice of wisdom, and you’re happy you used to be a politician at the end of your life. Is that a part of your life, along with the basketball that was a good decision? No, it’s
Tom McMillen 29:59
a great. A it’s a great part of being able to give back. And, you know, I still involved. I mean, the fact that I’m on all these charity boards, University of Maryland, it’s all giving back. I think, I think that’s embedded in my DNA and I and I believe it’s should be in part of everybody’s life.
Nestor Aparicio 30:16
Alright, I’ll bother you sometime outside of basketball season. And hey, if you see a crab cake, you like, you got my number, you know, give me, drop me a line, come have a crab cake with me, and we sit on the set. It’s always really awkward because, you know, you’re taller than me by a couple inches, so understand
Tom McMillen 30:32
we’ll be watching over the next few years, both college sports and our national systems. Situation, we can reconvene and and remember our conversation
Nestor Aparicio 30:43
and fix the world. We’re here to fix the world. He’s the honorable Tom McMillan serving us here. Yeah, go back 8688 90. Remember the Washington Bullets back in the day, and I remember watching a play there at that and, of course, the Maryland Terps back in the 70s as well. And spent a little bit of time in New York dribbling as well as I remember it in the 70s as well. I am Nestor. It’s basketball season. I’ve been a little bit of basketball, a little bit of politics, a lot of baseball. We got football stuff going on. Plenty happening around here, including some musicians checking in here the next couple weeks, John Palumbo from crack the sky and Rick Emmett for triumph. So we’ve had a mix of conversations, chasing down old friends like Tom mcmill. It’s always good to have him aboard. I am Nestor. We are W, N, S, T. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, and we never stop talking, Baltimore. Positive. You.
