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It wasnโ€™t the most consistent performance against a pesky Colorado State Rams squad but the Maryland Terps managed to hit big shots down the stretch in Seattle on Sunday night and Baltimoreโ€™s Derik Queen wanted the ball and got it to send the program to its first Sweet 16 since 2016. Luke Jones and Nestor discuss the rare air of San Francisco on Thursday night and a chance to stalk history against Florida.

Luke Jones and Nestor Aparicio discuss the Maryland Terrapinsโ€™ journey to the Sweet 16, highlighting Derek Queenโ€™s game-winning shot against Colorado State. The Terps, seeded fourth, faced a tough first half but improved in the second. Queen, a freshman and potential lottery pick, led the team. The conversation also touches on the programโ€™s recent challenges, including the departure of Damon Evans and Kevin Willardโ€™s contract negotiations. The Terps will face Florida on Thursday, with hopes high despite the underdog status. The discussion also reflects on the transient nature of college sports and the impact of the transfer portal.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Maryland Terps, Sweet 16, Derek Queen, NBA draft, Colorado State, Florida game, Kevin Willard, Damon Evans, transfer portal, basketball season, Final Four, Juan Dixon, Gary Williams, basketball program, Baltimore basketball.

SPEAKERS

Luke Jones, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T am 1570 towns of Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive and the Maryland Terps are headed to the Sweet 16 to San Francisco. What a treat it will be. Luke Jones joins us now to talk some rare Sweet 16 basketball, some March Madness basketball, some West Coast basketball, and, I guess, some Baltimore basketball in the end, to kiss the glass and have the queen be the king Lucas,

Luke Jones  00:35

yeah. I mean, full disclosure, weโ€™re being bandwagon jumpers. Here a little bit. You and I have not mentioned much about the Terps, other than in passing, but when youโ€™re talking about the bandwagon, said 73 I had time. I mean, more specifically this year than that, yeah, you know, Iโ€™ve watched, and Iโ€™ve watched pretty closely since the end of Raven season, you know, and the football season, and this is a Terps team that gained momentum as Big 10 play went on. You know, they end up being the number two seed in the Big 10 tournament, a frustrating loss to Michigan in the semis. You know, on a end to end, layup at the buzzer. I mean, we think back to the Michigan State game, where they lose on a 50 foot shot at the buzzer. I mean, their last four losses since early January have all been on literal last second shots, so perhaps it was appropriate that one finally went in their direction. And as you mentioned, I mean, I guess the quote was, Iโ€™m from Baltimore, thatโ€™s why, and thatโ€™s why the ball was in Derek Queenโ€™s hands, and itโ€™s why heโ€™s going to be a lottery pick, and thatโ€™s why, as long as someone locks him in the weight room at some point and he just gets stronger. Keeping in mind, heโ€™s a freshman, I think this kidโ€™s gonna have a bright future in the NBA. I mean, you saw it. Itโ€™s a couple threes early in the night, and he wins it and sends it the Terps to the Sweet 16, for what, the second time since 2003

Nestor Aparicio  01:57

just in time for the portal to open. Yeah, well, I

Luke Jones  02:01

mean, for him, I mean, itโ€™s, itโ€™s all about his NBA draft stock. I mean, heโ€™s not, heโ€™s not playing in college this year or this coming years. So, great moment. You know, frustrating night, frustrating first half. I think for the Terps with they werenโ€™t very good. Our guards really struggled in the first half, better in the second half at times, you know, kind of out hustled. I mean, itโ€™s a frustrating night. I mean, there were a Derek Queen Miss away from talking about the Terps, you know, being a number four seed being bounced in the second round. Oh,

Nestor Aparicio  02:30

man, Lakehead did it shot Clifford didnโ€™t get thrown out of the game. I mean, that was the best player on the floor most of the night,

Luke Jones  02:37

right? I will say this. I I will. I thought this when they beat Memphis in the first round. Colorado State wasnโ€™t a 12 seed, I mean, and I, you know, look, I donโ€™t, I donโ€™t pay close attention to net rankings and all that kind of stuff that goes into what the selection committee does. But I thought in both of their games, they looked, they looked like a legitimate, not like a Cinderella, low seated kind of team. So they gave the Terps everything they could handle. But I mean, just what a moment for Derek queen, it made me think back to, you know, when, when they hit the three to go ahead. Itโ€™s like, okay, this isnโ€™t quite as bad as Corey Lucius in 2010 for Michigan State against Maryland. And, okay, I donโ€™t know if Iโ€™m ready to put this in the same space as drew Nicholas, but maybe I should, because, hey, this sent him to the Sweet 16. So great moment, awesome moment for a Baltimore kid and for a program thatโ€™s had a really weird week with, you know, Damon Evans leaving and so much speculation and questions about Kevin Willard and the contract extension, and him wanting more funding for the program, all that kind of stuff that will continue to be an issue until itโ€™s not, but boy, on the court. I mean, that was when youโ€™re talking about the game of the tournament in the opening weekend, and itโ€™s, I know you didnโ€™t watch a whole lot. Iโ€™ve watched a lot of basketball the last four days. Itโ€™s been kind of an underwhelming tournament overall through the first two rounds, but boy, thereโ€™s nothing underwhelming about Maryland and Colorado State. I mean, a great basketball game and a great finish and one of those games where one team had to lose and youโ€™re glad itโ€™s not your team that youโ€™re rooting for. Well, you get the walk

Nestor Aparicio  04:18

over on Friday night right in the in the early play. And thatโ€™s not always the case for the Terps. This is always where it gets sticky, not just for the Terps, but for for lots of teams, you know, 32 in the 16 you think theyโ€™re just going to go out there and, you know, be up 15 at the half and be subbing in and like, thatโ€™s not what this team is. And I think that watching this thing develop this year, and watching the whole n, i L, and watching, you know, them go play USC, and whatever else is going on with the strangeness of all of it. Um, everything feels so short lived, right? And, you know, I talked to Pat scary about that, where they had. Such a good season, and it ends, and youโ€™re like, guys coming back, are they? Not? That was always the question for college sports in general. I mean, I referenced Steve Francis as a you know, guy that was around for three months, and you mentioned queen, if he misses that shot, itโ€™s the last shot heโ€™d missed, too as a Terp, right? So nothingโ€™s for long here and the money and the squabbling and all of that, but little bit like the Orioles, where you and I will spend large stretches this week on our way to Toronto, talking about the potential of having these incredible players, having Henderson and westburg and holiday and rushman all and cows are coming on, like all of these guys, special guys. If youโ€™re an Orio fan, youโ€™re like, Alright, get some pitching. We need some more help. We need some more of this, more of that. With this college basketball thing and football, same thing, but college basketball, because you got five players, they have five players. They have no bench. Donโ€™t need one. Canโ€™t afford one. You know, cost too much, like, like relief pitching in baseball, but you get, you get this moment to do it, and theyโ€™re behind. Most of the night wasnโ€™t going well. Colorado, state was shooting the ball well. Then wasnโ€™t all of a sudden, then they Lake makes that shot, and it feels like, wow, three seconds left that itโ€™s that fleeting. But I donโ€™t know that Willer could be here another 10 years and put together five guys this good. I mean, I think you and I go back. Was it 1718, the year they had Suleiman come in from Duke. And they had, they had stone, diamond stone, yeah, they had, that was the best team. Trojan had, right? Gary. Gary had a couple of teams. You know, Gary had a couple of teams here and again, same as left, he did left. He had a couple of teams. 7778 Buck Williams, there were a couple of teams that were good enough. This teamโ€™s good enough, right? I mean, theyโ€™re, you know, I think the word I was going to use was capable. This teamโ€™s capable. And now they go this week. I mean, weโ€™re five days away, you and I will be in Toronto, up late, or whatever the timing will be, on Friday night from San Francisco, watching whatโ€™s going on. You know, theyโ€™re going to, theyโ€™re going to, theyโ€™re going to take on the best team in the land now, and theyโ€™ll have some confidence doing that. And itโ€™s a short week when youโ€™re out on the West Coast and you know, you win a game of that magnitude, but these five guys are capable of winning two more games, right? I mean, thatโ€™s, thatโ€™s the ask here this weekend, right? Yeah, no

Luke Jones  07:38

question. I mean, theyโ€™re going to go up against Florida. Thatโ€™ll be Thursday, actually, Thursday. As you and I are talking in real time, they havenโ€™t announced the game time, but it will be Thursday in San Francisco. So good. The Orioles will be over at seven oโ€™clock. You and Iโ€™ll drink Canadian we should we should be hopefully, yeah, hopefully the timing works out pretty nicely. But they

Nestor Aparicio  07:55

allow American basketball in Canada. I donโ€™t know.

Luke Jones  07:58

I mean, the Raptors arenโ€™t very good right now. So it is a Thursday night, yeah, yeah, but, but, I mean, itโ€™s, I think, anyone, as you saw the Terps play over the last two months, you know, so much talk about, you know, the crab five. And, I mean, they, they have the leading, you know, leaving leading scoring, starting five and, and a lot of itโ€™s because, you know, other than, you know, Jordan Geronimo, on occasion, they donโ€™t get very much from their bench whatsoever. I mean, itโ€™s just to basically get guys, uh, breathers. But I think anyone whoโ€™s watched this team play over the bulk of the season, you see what itโ€™s capable of being, understanding that you got to stay out of foul trouble. Thatโ€™s a given when, when you donโ€™t have much of a bench, but you have a starting five that you feel good going up against anyone when you have Derek queen. I mean, Julian Reese is the one guy whoโ€™s been here, right? You talked about, you know, what the the kind of Hired Gun nature that college basketball has become, especially in the ni l world. I mean, my goodness, the transfer portal opens during postseason play. I mean,

Nestor Aparicio  08:59

you donโ€™t even have to go out of his gene pool. I mean, I do just go to Danna hallway, to his sister, right? Sure,

Luke Jones  09:04

no question, but, but I think Julian Reese, when you consider what heโ€™s meant, I donโ€™t want to put it in the same atmosphere as Walt Williams, but similar in the sense that itโ€™s nice to have someone whoโ€™s stuck by, you know, in a time of transition, you know, going from Mark Turgeon to to Willard. And, you know, I spent

Nestor Aparicio  09:21

an hour with Walt last week talking to him about Yeah. And it is something, yeah, it does, and I think it means something that a Baltimore kid makes the shot, because weโ€™re 50 years past all of this. I I reached Keith booth last week too, by the way. But you know, when you go into the death pool, you know, we the Mount St Joe thing a couple years ago, but, right? But it hasnโ€™t been as much as youโ€™d like, you know. We donโ€™t have any memories of Muggsy or any of the Georgetown guys, you

Luke Jones  09:50

know, but, but at the same time, you think back to Juan Dixon, right? And you think about how special that was, but that was a long time ago. I mean, I was a, I was a freshman in college at that point, 25 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, 23 I guess so. But you have Reese, you have queens, so you have two big men that most teams are going to have issues matching up against. And then you have three guards and Gillespie, rice and Miguel, if you have two of those guys on any given night hitting perimeter shots at a reasonable rate. I mean, there you go. Theyโ€™re really tough to be. You know, they can play with anyone, and that in that kind of scenario, theyโ€™re going to be the underdog against Florida, as they should be. But if weโ€™re talking about them playing them on Saturday night, you know, if theyโ€™re getting by Florida, they find a way, and theyโ€™re playing for a chance to go to the Final Four for the first time since 2002 I mean, Iโ€™m not going to sit here and be stunned by that, but, you know, you got to see, you got to go play, and they certainly will have to play better, right? I mean, as we said, it was a choppy, you know, early on, you know, some of the back door cuts were really hurting them, you know. And again, Colorado State played well,

Nestor Aparicio  11:00

but defend the perimeter either against the team that wanted to

Luke Jones  11:03

shoot it. You know, they defended well at times, but it was, it was choppy, but, you know, they got it done. You know, they played better in the Final Four minutes or so. And I mean, it came down to, you know, Willard even said after the game, he kind of asked who wants the ball? And Derek Queen wanted the ball. I mean, it was that simple. And, you know, some people were looking at, did he take an extra half a step there? I mean, itโ€™s basketball. I mean, you

Nestor Aparicio  11:26

know, thereโ€™s taking two and a half extra steps. But no, it wasnโ€™t agreed.

Luke Jones  11:30

Youโ€™re not gonna call it, yeah. I mean, it wasnโ€™t egregious or anything like that. I mean, I think it was fine. And I mean, just but he has that kind of touch. He the footwork, everything about him, other than just get stronger, and heโ€™s 19, right? I mean, heโ€™s going to get heโ€™s going to mature physically. But you watch him, and having watched him over the course of the year, I mean, like I said, he can hit some outside shots. I mean, thatโ€™s not his forte, but he can do it, and itโ€™s something that heโ€™ll probably get better at as he gets older. I mean, heโ€™s, heโ€™s got a chance to have a really nice NBA career. I mean, itโ€™s gonna be a lottery pick. And now heโ€™s got this, you know, as a feather in his cap going into, you know, however long this, this run for Maryland last but, I mean, just a great memory, right? I mean, Drew Nicholas, you know, he wasnโ€™t an all time great at Maryland, but heโ€™s someone whoโ€™s remembered very fondly because of the shot he hit against Wilmington, right and in oh three. And, you know, you just, you think about those moments in time and whether they end up making it to the Final Four, or whether they, you know, their run comes to an end against Florida on Thursday night. I mean, just really special moment, big win, important for the program, like I said, with everything thatโ€™s kind of going on,

Nestor Aparicio  12:41

yeah, letโ€™s address that a little bit. What I mean, I donโ€™t follow the drama of all of it, but my God, the Debbie Al and Gary Williams thing was like a holy war that went on for like a decade and and that was all about them, getting the building built, how much money it was going to take. I knew lots of season ticket holders or Maryland club, Terrapin club members that were pissed about this and that that happened cold field as it was so long ago, and now the moneyโ€™s just like out on the table, and youโ€™re either playing in that fashion or youโ€™re going to go to SMU and play in that fashion, I guess. Yeah. I

Luke Jones  13:21

mean, just and full disclosure, I havenโ€™t been as plugged in covering Maryland athletics as I was 10 or 15 years ago when I was doing it regularly. But I mean, as everyoneโ€™s well aware now, Damon Evans off to SMU. You know, Willard, before Maryland played on Friday, there was a press conference out in Seattle, and he basically announced it, yeah, Evan you know, Damon Evans is heading to SMU Willard wanted him out. Willard has been very vocal about not just, you know, the contract extensions are given, and thatโ€™s a big part of it, in terms of the power play, but heโ€™s talked about it. He wants more funding for the program. He wants more n i l money. I mean, the kind of things that, yeah, you need to do if you want to have a program thatโ€™s going to reach its ceiling. So he certainly

Nestor Aparicio  14:06

is out. I mean, Evans came in during the old era, really.

Luke Jones  14:09

I mean, well, you know, he took over in 17. I mean, he survived the Jordan McNair thing, which, you know, I at the time. I think there were a lot of questions about that. You know, regardless of his individual responsibility for that. You know, just the idea that he survived that I was surprised about that at the time. But now, I mean, Kevin Willer, especially, taking this team to the Sweet 16, you know, heโ€™s sitting pretty, whateverโ€™s going to happen, whether itโ€™s going to be, you know, he gets everything he wants at Maryland, or whether, you know, I mean, thereโ€™s been plenty of plenty of social media. Well, everybodyโ€™s higher, right about Villanova, right? Sure. And, you know, now, by the

Nestor Aparicio  14:49

way, Ryan Odom from UMBC gets that Sure. I was there today. He got hired and threw a party for those guys to NFL point. And John Feinstein, the late, great John Feinstein, was there. And a part of all of that, I mean, it happens quick. It really happens quick. And, and I think itโ€™s even more when the the Pat scary stick around and Coppins trying to figure it out, and all of these schools in the new era, and, and at Maryland, you say, even at Maryland there, itโ€™s tumultuous because there is so much money, and the the portal open today, Luke, the portals open. I love, you know, or not. I mean, like, thatโ€™s the biggest story for everybody here. Itโ€™s Maryland makes a shot, and itโ€™s great. You know, a week from now, itโ€™s queens on to the NBA, who we getting, you know, who went into the portal? I mean, it is a itโ€™s an industry now beginning to today. Excuse

Luke Jones  15:43

me, no doubt. And whatโ€™s, you know, the cloud that kind of hangs over all of it is the state of college football in terms of these mega conferences. And while Marylandโ€™s not a powerhouse in football, you still want to be as best positioned as you can be to make sure youโ€™re not left out whenever things continue to evolve. So so that that makes it more complicated, too. But if youโ€™re Kevin Willard at this point, I mean, you know, itโ€™s not quite Joe Flacco putting up his feet, you know, on Steve Bucha his desk, but you just took Maryland to the Sweet 16 for only the second time in the last 20 plus years. So youโ€™re sitting pretty. And, yeah, thereโ€™s going to be turnover. I mean, Queens going to the NBA. Reese is a senior, you know, weโ€™ll see what happens with Gillespie. Rice is only a sophomore, but youโ€™re going to have to give him an IL money because, you know, heโ€™s the guy that you know while, while he hasnโ€™t necessarily had, you know, Mr. Consistent, great performances. Weโ€™ve seen him step up. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  16:37

there goes your point. You win a little bit next weekend, and itโ€™s like, itโ€™s like NFL players winning in January, and they become more attractive all of a sudden when they make big shots in big games.

Luke Jones  16:49

Yeah, no doubt. So, I mean, itโ€™s, you know, youโ€™re gonna have to do what needs to be done to sustain this. And yeah, the roster is going to turn over, because thatโ€™s just the nature of college basketball at this point, but, but it is weird. It is, I mean, no question at the same time. Thatโ€™s why you savor a moment like this. Thatโ€™s why you hope you take advantage of this, right? I mean, any, any Baltimore kid that you know is a sophomore, junior in high school right now, freshmen, theyโ€™re seeing what Derek Queen just did, and you hope, and obviously nio, and theyโ€™re all that is part of the equation. But you hope they see that and they say, I want to be the next Derek queen. In the same way that when Juan Dixon did it 23 years ago, 25 years ago, you wanted Baltimore kids to see that and say, I want to be the next Juan Dixon. So, you know, weโ€™ll see, and weโ€™ll see where, how long this run lasts, and whether the Terps can make it to, you know, late into the weekend, next weekend. And, you know, weโ€™ll, who knows again, I they have the starting five that that can play with just about anyone. They can play big. They can play small. You know, there are times where I feel like they forget one or the other at times. You know, they, there are a couple points in the game on Sunday night where they got a little perimeter shooting happy, compared to what I would have liked to have seen. But when, when, the weirdest part

Nestor Aparicio  18:10

is, none of these guys have played together long either, right? I mean, it really is. Itโ€™s a pickup team for five months, a couple, right? Really, thatโ€™s all these days. I

Luke Jones  18:18

mean, itโ€™s, itโ€™s definitely it is different in the sense that you think about the oh two Terps and how that team, I mean, they grew, they were together for three years, four years, you know, thatโ€™s what you call it a program. Itโ€™s not that great. I mean, you know, you think back to then it was kind of strange Byron Mouton, you know, was a, he was a transfer, you know, all time favorite Terp, by the way, yeah, oh, he was a very important part of that championship team. But you think about that, and you know how many teams will be like that in the future with college basketball? Not, and Iโ€™m, Iโ€™m not even going to try to, Iโ€™m not going to sound like old man, like all lamenting the past just how quick itโ€™s

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Nestor Aparicio  18:59

going to change. Now different. You either make that shot in Seattle and move on and play Thursday, or you miss it. And

Luke Jones  19:05

weโ€™re talking about the same exact things, except you donโ€™t have the feel good moment of the win and knowing that youโ€™re playing against Florida. Oh, feel good.

Nestor Aparicio  19:13

Moment only feels so good if you go out and lose 71 to 54 on third. You know what I mean to a one

Luke Jones  19:18

seed, but itโ€™s still a moment. I mean, itโ€™s

Nestor Aparicio  19:22

still more. But my point is, you donโ€™t say weโ€™re bringing half the band back next year and weโ€™ll get them next year. There ainโ€™t no tomorrow. Thereโ€™s just right now for any of these programs. And thatโ€™s where college basketball is been hanging on there for a long, long time, where kids were renting for a minute. I mentioned Steve Francis around here. Heโ€™s sort of the first around here to do it, but, um, but when the whole pack of them, literally everyone, everyone becomes a free agent every March, itโ€™s just the more success they would. They get to the eight, they get to the four. When you donโ€™t win, you donโ€™t win. And. And but the final four would be something really, yeah. I mean, you know, if they win two games this week, thatโ€™s really, theyโ€™ve really done something thatโ€™s for the ages. And thereโ€™s no one that disputes, when you get to the Final Four that youโ€™ve not really had some success, even at

Luke Jones  20:16

George. I mean, youโ€™re a his, Itโ€™s historic. I mean, when youโ€™re talking about a program that has two Final Fours and one national championship. Itโ€™s historic. But I think for this team, just putting it in the proper perspective, I think if youโ€™d ask any Terps fan to a man or a woman, that I think Sweet 16 is where you know youโ€™re a four seed, I think because of what we said, the strength of their starting five, the fact that they have size, the fact that they have three guards you can hit outside shots, uh, experienced players, albeit not guys that have played together a long time. I think the expectation was, get to the Sweet 16. If you can anything after that, then itโ€™s gravy. And I think thatโ€™s where they are. At this point in time, youโ€™re going to be an underdog against Florida. But Iโ€™m not going to sit here and say they canโ€™t go out and beat them, you know? I mean, this is a team that, when theyโ€™re playing at their best and assuming they stay out of foul trouble again, thatโ€™s the thatโ€™s the caveat. When youโ€™re five and a half deep, Iโ€™ll give Jordan Geronimo maybe a half a player credit. I guess you they can play with anyone. And as as we said, since early January, theyโ€™ve lost four games, and they were all in buzzer beaters. So it speaks to, you know, when theyโ€™ve lost, itโ€™s been excruciating. Itโ€™s been close. I mean, they havenโ€™t been blown out by anyone, so roll the ball out there Thursday night and see what happens. But you know, you just, you think about those moments. I saw it earlier this week on social media where, you know, they put out. It was the date of the 94 team beating UMass, right? I mean, that team was a 10 seed, UMass was a number two. You know, this was the Joe UMass is

Nestor Aparicio  21:54

really good. They have, yeah.

Luke Jones  21:58

But, and, you know, this was the Joe Smith, Keith booth, you know, freshman year team. And, you know, X ray hip had a big, you know, big game, and that was kind of his peak at Maryland, you know, unfortunately for him, but, I mean, thatโ€™s what put Maryland back on the map, that team, you know that getting to the Sweet 16 that year. And, you know, itโ€™s not the same story, because, you know, Derek Queenโ€™s not even going to hang around for a sophomore year, nor should he. I mean, heโ€™s going to be a lottery pick. He he should go to the NBA. But, you know, itโ€™s just a great moment. You know, itโ€™s fun. You know, this is one of those, as a Terps basketball fan, youโ€™ll think back to the all time NCAA Tournament moments, and you think about the good, you think about the bad with Corey Lucius. And you know, youโ€™ll think about Derek Queen hitting the shot at the buzzer off the glass. I mean, just a beautiful touch on on a play where he didnโ€™t have a whole lot of time there. So, I mean, itโ€™s just, itโ€™s a special moment for a program that, letโ€™s face it, over the last 20 years, hasnโ€™t had a whole lot of special moments, I think, for anyone who thinks back to where they were in 99 2000 oh 102, you know, the Juan Dixon, Lonnie Baxter era, for it to be followed how special that was. And then even oh three with Blake, you know, they got back to the Sweet 16, at least. But since then, you know, the greatest Vasquez year or two was pretty special, at least, you know, relatively speaking. And as you mentioned, the the Hired Gun diamond stone Rashid Suleiman team for turgen. Has it been a whole lot to write home about

Nestor Aparicio  23:34

that that could win the vast teams, they were never like national champion. I never 2000 2010

Luke Jones  23:41

Iโ€™ll beg. Iโ€™ll disagree with you a little bit. I think there was a path for them. Corey Lucius hit a buzzer beater in the second round, and they were done. So it was just like that. But the point is, I think for every dream about what Maryland might become after they won the national championship in oh two, it didnโ€™t play out that way. And thatโ€™s not a criticism of anyone. It just, itโ€™s how it played out. So to have something like this happen, you savor it. Itโ€™s fun see what happens from here. Kevin willardโ€™s in a really good position, individually speaking. And you know, if he is going to stay and sign an extension to get everything he wants for the program to maybe take it to the next level, you know, who knows? Hopefully. Well, these are the things that makes it more attractive, because those kids donโ€™t want to hear about drew Nicholas and say, I mean, you know, means anything, right? Might as well talk about Bob Cousy. You might have you might as well talk about Gary Williams as a player in the 60s, you know. I mean, you know. And thatโ€™s not that theyโ€™re disrespectful. They just donโ€™t know. I mean, these guys werenโ€™t, they werenโ€™t even born yet.

Nestor Aparicio  24:42

This was, you know, Iโ€™ve had Tom McMillan on. I reached the len Elmore, reached the Keith booth. I had Walt Williams on. I thought, man, Tom McMillan, it was 52 years ago. Man, 51 years ago. Itโ€™s crazy. Well,

Luke Jones  24:55

you think about it. I mean, what? What does appeal? To young players, you know, coming to Maryland, beyond nio, which is, I mean, thatโ€™s the answer for every program, winning, playing big games. But I just, but I just mean in terms of, like, Who, who do they see on Gary Williams is, I mean, itโ€™s not like

Nestor Aparicio  25:14

going to Duke or North Carolina means anything around here with the ACC in the way you know anything about all of it different. Iโ€™m

Luke Jones  25:20

just saying that that all that stuff happened a really long time ago relative to 18 to 22 year olds. And itโ€™s not a itโ€™s not a knock, itโ€™s just the truth. I mean, God bless Gary. He just turned 80 years old, right? I mean, thatโ€™s what weโ€™re talking about here. That was a long time ago when, when Gary picked up the pieces in the early 90s. Think

Nestor Aparicio  25:38

about all these programs that were cool for a minute, whether it was Georgetown, wherever. I mean, even Florida, seeing them this week, they got cool and, you know, they have their years and they donโ€™t have their years, but itโ€™s not like a basketball school or anything like that. Maryland thinks of itself as a basketball school because it canโ€™t be a football school. It ainโ€™t a football school, right? So itโ€™s really a womenโ€™s college basketball school. Theyโ€™ve had a lot more success.

Luke Jones  26:01

They have, they have so, I mean, itโ€™s, itโ€™s fun, itโ€™s something to you hope can be a springboard. And again, Kevin willardโ€™s in a position of power right now, no matter how itโ€™s going to happen. But for, for what it was, just in isolation, you know, regardless of what happens against Florida or next weekend, you know, special moment for Derek queen. You know you love when a Baltimore kid does something like that, right? And you know you love when a Baltimore kid is going to go on to the NBA, and as I said, get them in the weight room, get it, get them stronger physically. And I think that kid can absolutely play at the next wizards. Wizards, just kidding, the footwork, I mean, the touch, as you saw in the final shot. I mean, he can hit some outside shots here and there. I mean, heโ€™s just so impressive, and to see him not just make that shot, but he wanted the ball, right? I mean, Willard talked about it immediately after the game, special stuff, really special stuff, and weโ€™ll see what happens after that. But pretty cool night, pretty cool weekend, if youโ€™re a Terps fan, amidst all the Damon Evans and Kevin Willard drama and you know, still unresolved with the latter, Marilyn,

Nestor Aparicio  27:12

weโ€™re all behind you. Uh. Lucas Jones can be found out of Baltimore, Luke, heโ€™ll be found north of the border with me in Toronto, Canada, beginning on Thursday, we will have full coverage of Sky Dome and Rogers Center activities opening day. No gunner Henderson talking pitching around here, the Raven still plays. Thereโ€™s still that investigation. And Justin Tucker, I think thatโ€™s still going on, right? Yeah,

Luke Jones  27:40

as far as I know it is. Well, if anything happens,

Nestor Aparicio  27:43

youโ€™ll get it first on the wnst Baltimore positive tech service, brought to you by friends at cole roofing and Gordian energy. Luke can be found out on the internet. I can be found out on the internet as well. Ness at Baltimore positive.com feels so good to talk a little hoopology here. As we get through March, opening day, week, a lot of baseball around as well. Weโ€™ll get the Maryland crab cake tour back out on the road next Wednesday, we will be at Faith Leeโ€™s at Lexington market before the Orioles Red Sox game. Got some great guests coming for that one as well. Heโ€™s Luke. Iโ€™m Nestor Terps. Play on Thursday. Orioles play on Thursday. Itโ€™s a big week. Weโ€™re W, N, S T am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, and we never stopped talking, Baltimore positive. I.

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