Baltimore’s Washington French connection to Paris and Olympics coverage

After a month in Paris covering the Olympics for The Washington Post, our favorite traveling Baltimore music maker, sports expert and local dude Dave Sheinin joins Nestor at Kooper’s Pub on The Maryland Crab Cake Tour for a full recap of his summer French connection.

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Sat, Sep 14, 2024 10:29AM • 32:33

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SPEAKERS

Dave Sheinin, Nestor Aparicio

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Nestor Aparicio  00:00

Welcome home. We are wnst tassel, Baltimore, Baltimore, positive. I’ve got the 25th anniversary logo here. We’re about to go 26 we’re gonna have the oyster. We’re gonna have a little crab on it, maybe even a candle. It’s all brought to you by the Maryland lottery. It is the Maryland crab cake tour. The Gold Rush. Sevens. Doublers are here. I’m supposed to get the Raven scratch offs today. There was a snafu. I’ll have them next Friday at fadelies. The crab cake tours out, the oyster tours out. Today is day nine of the oyster tour. We’re here as part of the oyster festival, Fells Point oyster fest. It’s here all weekend long, where Cooper’s my man, Dave shining. You bring your guitar. What? What’s that supposed to well mccreadies across the street at the pentry, because I saw him right Springsteen said, I text the great Nils Lofgren this morning. I text the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer 20 minutes ago. And I know he’s within a mile here. He’s either at the Four Seasons or he’s at the Pendry. And I’m thinking, like, if I look out the window and I see Gary W talent walking by, or I see sister Susie, you know what I mean? Like, you’re gonna lose it if I see little Steven with a scarf, just walking over there by the water taxi. So I set this up, not I realized, but I didn’t realize. And it’s a blessing to have you here, Dave, shining from the Washington Post, freshly back from the Olympics. How do you say Olympics in French? I knew you would know that from the Trocadero all the way back here to Fells Point. A Fells Point resident, don’t hold that Washington Post thing against him. He’s been in Baltimore’s like forever. And I know you was a baseball writer, then you did football, then you did baseball, then you’ve done the Olympics. You’ve done like a dozen Olympics. And you’re a rock and roller. You’re a musician, the music you hear on wnst, that little ditty that plays when, when? Andy Mueller says you’re listening to Nestor Aparicio all double Baltimore positive, and here’s Nestor, and that music is your music. And I got to update that, man, I got to do something where we get it right forever, because it plays three times an hour on the station. Nice. So you are the official music provider to boss, more positive and that

Dave Sheinin  02:01

cool. Yeah, man, alright, you know I could write you something fresh sometime, if you need it. Well, I’m all

Nestor Aparicio  02:06

jacked up, dude. I was at Pearl Jam last night, and I’ll be really honest with you, there’s nothing like a concert close to home, right like the concerts over. I parked around the corner. I got my little spot downstairs downtown by mercy. I was in bed at 1140 and and I slept hard. And I’m always a 3am get up guy. I slept till 747 this morning. Had me my accountant at 8am He blew me off. He must have been a pro champ. And I thought, Man, I can lay in bed all day. And, oh my god, I got to go to Cooper’s. I got I got oysters. Eat sticks is in town. Springsteen’s in town. I had to make a decision, yeah. And we’ve got Orioles independent race. We got the ravens, kind of on the weird side. And I saw Eric the Costa Pearl Jam on Thursday night between sports and music and oysters, where we’ve come a long way from covid. You and me, I think, man,

Dave Sheinin  02:56

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no doubt, gosh, was the last time that we did this during covid? No,

Nestor Aparicio  03:01

we did Cocos about a year ago. That was posted and you famously said you were betting on neither one of the teams winning a championship, because it’s so hard to do. Oh, yeah, yeah, you’re not just a journalist. You understand

Dave Sheinin  03:14

math. I mean, yeah, and I hope I didn’t Jinx them or anything, but yeah, I guess the reverse Jinx maybe, no. I mean, I remember that very vividly. And I mean, it’s a crapshoot in the playoffs, to a large extent, especially in baseball. Baseball is a complete crapshoot. You get hot. I

Nestor Aparicio  03:31

still think they can win. That’s why I’m not down on them, because it’s not good, right?

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Dave Sheinin  03:35

You just got to be in. You just got to get in, and you got a chance. No question. I

Nestor Aparicio  03:39

think it feels different when you don’t have the talent to win. And on the baseball side, for me, with them, if they get burns and E and some version of Suarez or Rodriguez to the Hill, if they can figure out a little bit of bullpen. And listen, Soto comes in in a 610 and gives up two runs, you know what? Mount Castle is gonna have to go out and hit three? You know? Somebody’s gonna need to be a star,

Dave Sheinin  03:59

yeah. I mean, the bullpen is a mess, but there are arms out there, and if you trust Brandon Hyde to piece it together, I think it’s possible, you know, like, they don’t have that ninth inning shutdown guy that some other teams have, and a lot of teams don’t actually like look at what the Yankees are dealing with. But if you trust Brandon Hyde to collect those last nine outs with however he needs to do it. I think they’ve got a chance. Luke

Nestor Aparicio  04:24

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and I’ve been argued about Dominguez and Cano. Clearly, Kimball’s not the guy, but to me, I can know could be really effective in the postseason. For me, I would think so, yeah, and so I’m still I’m not bullish on them. I’m bullish on their opportunity. I’m bullish on the fact that nobody else is markedly better than them if they just hit the ball for a week or two, if they get the right matchups, if they like. But hitting the ball is something that feels like it’s it’s been a while, and mayo and holiday have looked very much the part of it over their heads the injuries the West. For the CEO rutschman hasn’t hit in it feels to me like he’s hurt. You’ve watched me a lot of baseball, Dave, he’s a phenom who’s not done

Dave Sheinin  05:07

right now. I mean, I would say it’s certainly possible, but the fact that they keep running them out there behind the plate, you know, makes me think he’s not hurt.

Nestor Aparicio  05:19

It makes me feel like he’s hurt enough to be not great, but can still play. And that’s that’s the worst spot, because, like, his bubble gum cards gonna reflect this last 90 days. And I don’t know what October is gonna be, but I know they’re gonna play in October, so that, because of the theater, part of that to me, this whole Calvary over the next two weeks, they got these big games against the Yankees next week, and whether they’re gonna win the division or not, or whether they even, I had Barry bloom on old school or I know, yeah, Barry, honestly, he he was wearing his Yankee hat, playing the role, you know, like the David Wells role. And he was like, I want the Yankees to not win the division. I need they should play during the week. It doesn’t base. And this is an old timer. Baseball players don’t need four days off. It’s not good for baseball players. This isn’t Lamar Jackson playing too much football. This is pitchers and hitting and timing. No.

Dave Sheinin  06:08

I mean, I think history has shown that teams that have that long rest in between series, it’s a disadvantage in baseball. It’s not an advantage. And in fact, you saw this year for the first time, the World Series now has a movable starting date. If both LCS series end in five games or fewer, four or five games, they start the World Series Two days earlier. Really? Yeah, and that’s the first time I’ve ever done that. This dynamic start

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Nestor Aparicio  06:35

so that way they don’t both teams don’t get dusted for four days. Okay, okay. Well, Dave shine in those things. He’s worked. When did you start at the Washington Post? I want to give your background, because I you know your credibility is implicit with me and on the airwaves, but some people don’t know, like they don’t read the post, or it’s been a while. They think he’s a baseball guy, and they don’t know you live in Baltimore and a rock star and all that stuff. But like, 30

Dave Sheinin  06:57

years? No, no, no. 25 oh, that’s all 99

Nestor Aparicio  07:01

that’s all about 30 just 25 Yeah.

Dave Sheinin  07:04

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I mean, you know, dating myself here, I’m

Nestor Aparicio  07:06

33 years on the radio. Yeah, that’s crazy. Holy crap. I don’t feel 33 years old. My concerns 40 next week. It’s

Dave Sheinin  07:13

crazy. Sick, man, that’s insane. It’s been a while. And then how many years it print before that?

Nestor Aparicio  07:18

I did eight years, six years, two at the News America, by the way, here’s a cool newspaper. There are you coming down to Guinness for the big event next on the 28th do you know about this? I don’t. You never Baltimore Sun. No, okay, so there’s a Baltimore Sun. I applied and didn’t get the job. Well, they Jack, Jack. You screwed up. All right, locking for over him. Stop. Now I’m just and you were obviously colleagues with Jason at the post too. So the news American, it’ll be 40 years next week, next Saturday, the 21st it’ll be 40 years since sports first folded. And then the News America made it another year and a half. And that was my time. 8485 86 I was at those papers, and I went to the sun in January of 86 left in 92 and here, December 91 Kenny Albert put me on a radio here. So that era of sports writing, and I guess you were a young whipper snapper, then, not like all the way in, right, but Rosenthal justice kirkin down the line. You know, I had Dan Shaughnessy on recently, and judge other people that worked in Baltimore. We do this reunion down at Guinness on the 28th Molly Dunham and Stan Rappaport do it. And I thought you it’s like a sports writer convention for anybody who ever worked in Baltimore. So you should be a part of it. Even me to work at the sun or the news. So I’m doing a reunion next Saturday for the 40th anniversary of the folding of sports, first of Bernie miklas, oh my god. Jeff Gordon, John Hawkins, Ed dentry, they’re

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Dave Sheinin  08:49

coming in now. We’re

Nestor Aparicio  08:50

gonna zoom we’re zooming up. We’re zooming up a guy named Barry Levine that that was at the National Enquirer. He was all part of the David pecker thing with Trump a couple years Oh yeah, yeah. Written books. So we’ve had a famous group of alums, and some went to Sacramento and worked at Sacramento B Some went to St Louis. But we’re all getting together next Saturday, doing a zoom to tell old sports writing war stories of the 1980s you know what I mean? Man,

Dave Sheinin  09:14

sounds right up my alley. 21st or 28th

Nestor Aparicio  09:17

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20/21 is a zoom. 28th we’re gonna like, have beer, like people are getting together. That’s a much bigger gathering. That’s a, I mean, Van Valkenburgh might even be there. Oh, my God, no TV, yeah, yeah. But there really is, when you’ve been in this life forever, yeah, we all sort of, at least I do idolize each other in certain ways. To say, What’s he right? And what’s he know? And here’s, I have Michael Galkin on this week, who just left the Dallas Morning News, younger guy, 15 years covering the chargers and the Raiders. He chased both teams away. Had lost his job at the San Diego Union Tribune because they didn’t have a football team anymore. So he’s he’s just done he’s 38 years old. He lives in DC. He’s like, I’m out 15 years of covering the league. It’s all I ever wanted to do. I worry about Luke, but it’s just, it’s all we ever wanted to do. Yeah, you’re still doing it the Olympics, and you’re seeing this incredible you’ve just lived an incredible life in that way we all have. I’ve covered 27 Super Bowls, the Olympics. Man, there’s nothing bigger than Mary Lou Retton for me,

Dave Sheinin  10:21

same man, I was way into Mary Lou Retton back in the day. Yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  10:26

How many for you? 1314, no, no.

Dave Sheinin  10:28

Like seven, eight, maybe

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Nestor Aparicio  10:30

more than that. Yeah, there’s

Dave Sheinin  10:32

been somewhere I missed because of baseball, some I missed because of football, but you went on the Phelps beat, right? That wasn’t your thing in 16, I was his last by the end, right? Yeah, yeah. But

Nestor Aparicio  10:43

like Paul McMullan at the ball son was on the Michael Phelps beat from his 13 years old, yeah. I mean, it’s really a rich thing we have in this area, because we have been blessed. We only had a lot of big league ball players, me, Ripken and a couple of guys that grew up here that became legendary. But from Olympic standpoint, babe, Ruth was okay, yeah, but that was 150 years ago. I’m talking about in our era to cover we’ve had Carmelo anThe, you know, I’m just trying to think of super, yeah, incredible, legendary. But Michael Phelps is, like, puts the Olympics on the map. In Baltimore, we’ve had stadiums full of people cheering for him. So the Olympics, the light comes on for the Olympics in our region. I think,

Dave Sheinin  11:24

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no, he changed everything. No question. I mean, my kids came up swimming in Baltimore, largely because he made swimming cool for kids. And I mean, they were a couple generations after whatever, but that’s what they wanted to do. That’s what their friends. Did you swim in Baltimore or you play lacrosse

Nestor Aparicio  11:44

in my air was Anita null, and before my first ever byline at the news American in my life, my friend made my father cry, I wrote a little eight inch piece on Teresa Andrews striking gold at the 84 Olympics. Wow. And they came to me and said, kid, get Murray Stevens on the phone. Murray Stevens was the North Baltimore aquatic. Yeah, I got Murray on the phone to get a couple of quotes from him after our kid from Mount Washington won a gold medal when I was 15 years old. Yeah. So you know what? I mean, like, Swimming was the first headline I ever had in my life. And I don’t think about it like that, because I didn’t grow up in a pool. But how many you’re pull Dad, you literally, you’re a swim. Dad,

Dave Sheinin  12:23

sure, right, yeah, yeah. And, I mean, you know, you look at the state of USA Swimming right now, and ever since Phelps retired, it’s kind of been going down. You don’t have him anymore to go out and win you eight or nine gold medals, seven or eight gold medals at every Olympic championship and relay, right? So, yeah, ever since he left, you know, like they’ve been they got passed by the Australians a couple years ago. And yeah, it Phelps was so such a massive, dynamic superstar for that sport. And really, since he’s gone away, Katie Ledecky is amazing, but she’s not as radiant and as just a media force like Michael Phelps was. Well, I

Nestor Aparicio  13:09

mean, Phelps is doing stuff like, you know, he pops up again and again, and he’s still

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Dave Sheinin  13:14

the biggest star in the sport. He’s been retired for almost a decade. Yeah,

Nestor Aparicio  13:19

so you’re over in Paris. What’s the vibe over there? I mean, I did a Paris. I mean, I love Paris. I had friends that were over there the first night. And I don’t have the Olympics Jones, right? Like, I had a chance to go to Atlanta in 96 my buddy Scott EP and it probably good that I didn’t with the bomb and, like, everything that happened down there, but like, there, there was a chance to get in the car and go to Atlanta in 96 I did not do it. I don’t regret it. I don’t have regrets like that. Never been a Wimbledon a couple places I that used to be on my bucket list, like I haven’t gotten to and I live vicariously through people like you, yeah. But the first night, one of my old girlfriends, hi, Demi, she was over there with a troop and with Keith Mills’s girlfriend now, who I’ve known for 100 years. And they put a picture up on the first night they were at the top of the risers at the beach volleyball in front of the Eiffel Tower. Yeah. And I looked at it, and I’m like, Well, that’s pretty freaking cool. Now I want to go, you know, like, I didn’t have the joke, but did you do that setting? And, oh

Dave Sheinin  14:21

yeah, I mean, I did it just for fun, like I didn’t cover any beach volleyball, but one day in between sessions of swimming, morning prelims, evening finals, or six hour break in between, I just went to see some stuff for the just for the hell of it, I went to Roland Garros because Joker was playing the doll. And you’ve been there before. I had never been before. I’m like, I got I’m doing. I’m going to the French I’m going to roll and arrow. 1999

Nestor Aparicio  14:48

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I went to the French Open. I saw it was, it was when Agassi went crazy, and I saw ronchetta Sanchez for Cario playing the in the finals. Springsteen was playing bursi. And. Hair, apparently. So that’s why I went. I went to see Springsteen, and the US Open was happening. So 125 hours later, I’m on the clay court. I’m up top. My hair was bleach blonde tower. You know, you’re friends that you were covered in 99 I like to me, that was a real highlight for me to go to Roland, Garros, like I when I if you were to ask me all the cool things I’ve done in my life, sports wise, yeah, attending a French Open final at Roland. Garros was unbelievable. Yeah, and I was a kid. I didn’t appreciate it. I was 30 years old. I appreciate it. I didn’t like Paris then, yeah, how about three weeks? How old were you there? I

Dave Sheinin  15:39

was there almost a month because I took some vacation after flew my family out. We did Paris and Amsterdam. Yeah, it was almost a month and, I mean, it was just, it was phenomenal. I mean, you got to think about where we were all mentally coming into that Olympics, the last Olympics, Beijing, 22 Winter Games, was an absolute nightmare. Covid, authoritarian government, surveillance state. Everything was it was just harrowing. The entire experience you did it. I did that one in Beijing. And so, you know, you go from that to beach volleyball under the Eiffel Tower and equestrian at Versailles. And it was just, it was amazing. It was

Nestor Aparicio  16:22

estrogen at Versailles. It was drop that expect me not to ask you about. No, it was Versailles.

Dave Sheinin  16:28

Their venues were unbeatable, unmatched. I mean, LA and 28 is gonna pale in comparison. No matter what they do, they could put they could put events on the Hollywood sign, and it’s still gonna pale compared to what Paris did. They just can’t compete with that. Give

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Nestor Aparicio  16:46

me the European experience for you. I was in Europe a year and a half ago. Was in Amsterdam. I was in Germany. You know, the man who saved my wife’s life. In Germany, there’s a there’s a thing about going over to Europe. And some people have been. Some people haven’t. But to just implore people, which I try to do here all the time, if you’ve been, you know, and there are people that say, I’ve never done it, get a passport. My my father in law’s passport expired, and he went, I’m like, Come on, man, you know, you got to be able to, in a moment’s notice, experience these things in life. And for you, after covid, after all that, to fly your family over. How you mean, your kids are of age where they can really enjoy it, right? I mean, really mean something to them, pictures and all of that. That’s a special summer, right? I mean, really go to Europe,

Dave Sheinin  17:30

no question. I mean, you know, I get cynical about this gig, and I, you know, I’ll complain, don’t we all bitch and whine. But I tell you what, you know when you’re at something like that, you know, you sit there and you think to yourself, Man, this is a, this is a great gig. I get to do this, you know, I’m getting paid to do this. I’m in Paris for three, four weeks on somebody else’s dime. And, yeah, we are working our asses off, right? I mean, there are, it’s three straight weeks of 14 hour days, you know, no days off. You’re just exhausted. Sounds like Luke’s job. Yeah, so, but at the end of every day, at the end, at nighttime, you’re still in Paris, and you’re still going out for a great meal, even if it’s 1011, 12 o’clock on somebody else’s dime. And you know, it’s a great gig, yeah, I

Nestor Aparicio  18:18

would say man. I mean, back from parry Olympic I want to make sure I’m saying that Dave shining off the Washington Post, longtime baseball writer, football writer, my friend, musician, the music part of Baltimore, and we’ll get back to football and championships and all. I want to talk music, because I’m looking out the window and Springsteen might walk by any minute. Pearl Jam, there’s two kid, young kids here, Pearl Jam hats. I’ve seen Springsteen people. They might be Roadies. I got my sticks belt buckle on right now because sticks is playing the lyric tonight too, and they’re my I’m actually going to support sticks guy. I saw Springsteen at nats Park last week. Yeah. So I picked my spots, right? So I paid 49 bucks to see Springsteen last. Last Saturday, it was 11 in the morning. They dumped some tickets, and my wife’s not his bottom. You know, we were in Frederick on the oyster tour. This oyster tour has been unbelievable too. Like this is day nine. I’ve had eight different oysters, eight different ways the last eight days. Wow. We have a festival going. No, there were eight different ways to do. There’s 100 ways to eat oysters. And I didn’t know this either. Do you like oysters? I love them. Yeah. So when you say you love them. What is an oyster to you? What you go in, you shuck, you put some cocky raw,

Dave Sheinin  19:24

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yeah, yeah. I mean, I look, I’ve had the Rockefeller. I’ve had the PO boy. I mean, you know, fried, I don’t know, what else is there? Grilled? Yes,

Nestor Aparicio  19:34

yes, yeah.

Dave Sheinin  19:35

You know,

Nestor Aparicio  19:37

I thought the same thing. So my experience with oysters is as a little boy going to a bowling oyster roast with my parents, them drinking beer and dancing, and there’s a band, and, you know, it’s down at the hall. That’s that’s Baltimore, right? So as a kid, you would see the oysters, you’d be like, and your parents would make jokes about sex and, you know, and like all blend a pencil and all that. And you’d see. Them, and you’d be like, well, that’s kind of gross. And you’d be like, All right, I’m gonna do it as a dare, right? Like it’s a dare, like the science is he who ate the first oyster was a brave man, right? So you eat, and you just, you slip down, and you’re like, Okay, you know, I’m a man. Put hair on my chest when you didn’t have any, right? And you’re like, Alright, so, and then you get the cocktail, and you get the heat, and then you get the salty, right? And I like it forever, right? But I no one had ever brought me a fried oyster in my life. I’ve never ordered if I get a PO boy, it’s going to be shrimp. If I go to Costas, it’s going to be shrimp. It’s going to be crabs. It’s going to be crab cakes. It’s going to be crab Imperial. It’s going to be a steak. It’s going to be chicken. It’s good, like oysters is just like, I don’t dislike them, but there’s always something calamari calling me higher on the menu, right? So not to mention any level of breadsticks and mozzarella, anything else you would get that would be an appetizer. And I eat them when I’m somewhere and they’re there and someone gives them to me. I don’t order them for 20 bucks, a half dozen ever, because I would come in here and get the black and tuna wrap is what I would get at Cooper’s, right damy, about a year and a half ago, down at fade these. And I got to get you to fade these during the World Series. When I do the show at the World Series, she brought me fried oysters and put them on the table and said, Eat these while I’m doing a show like, and I’m like, that’s really good. She’s like, Yeah, I know. I’m like, I’ve never had a fried oyster in my life. She’s like, What? Wow. And I’m like, Well, I wouldn’t order it at these cocktail events you go to, they give you raw ones, right? Like, if you buy if you go to a taste event, like, all these things I’ve ever done in my life, raw oysters are ubiquitous to Baltimore in season. You can find them anywhere but fried, grilled. The first time I ever did that was that place down in New Orleans where Dragos, right they put the cheese and the butter and the gar. I had never had one of those until the Ravens were in the Super Bowl 12 years ago, and I’ve only probably had two trays of them since. Even though I know how freaking good they are, I just don’t think about ordering them. And then Dami is like, well, you knucklehead, this is how the bay gets oxygenated. If you want a crab cake, you have to have the oysters oxygenate the bay. You don’t like crab cake. Crab prices. Crab cake prices. We need more oysters to oxygenate the bay, to clean the bay. Then I saw this pig trick where they bring this aquarium, and they put oysters in the aquarium, and the water’s all dirty, and they have a cocktail party, and four hours later, the water’s clean, because the oysters clean the water, right? It’s like, like, it like an ad. Where

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Dave Sheinin  22:34

does all that stuff go do? Are you eating that when you eat the oyster? I

Nestor Aparicio  22:37

don’t know. Don’t bring that up on a day when I’m eating oysters like that. They’re delicious. So I then learned about the oyster recovery partnership. This is where the journalism comes in. Okay, so you always see, give us the shells in the other bag. Don’t put the shell, yeah, those shells the oyster recovery partnership. Pick those up at places like this and temp Street and all the other places that do oysters, and they spat them down and put them back into the bay so that the oysters grow better and bed better and molt better, and do all the things that they do. And I’m learning about that this month. I don’t know enough. I’m

Dave Sheinin  23:10

not a sign. Yeah, so oysters nature, man, well, you

Nestor Aparicio  23:14

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got to eat them. That’s important part. So we’re here at the Oyster fest. Dave shine, it’s here from The Washington Post. Music? You making music?

Dave Sheinin  23:22

I’m not really just because I have kids who are close to college age, and making music is expensive. What? What do you mean? Yeah, I mean, because, look, I’m not gonna make music that sounds crappy, you know, like I don’t have the home production skills, so if I’m gonna make a record or make music, I need it to sound good, and I need to go to a studio to do that, okay? And that’s expensive.

Nestor Aparicio  23:50

Okay? See, I feel like everybody does this at home now. So this was interesting to me. Yeah, you, but you have to no offense to Sheffield studios or anybody out there. I know who does studio work and charges for that. And doesn’t mean I understand that, but it feels to me like a lot of musicians sit at home and tinker, especially in era covid. I mean, I saw people doing really creative things. People

Dave Sheinin  24:10

can make entire albums that sound amazing on their iPhones. No question about it. You just have to know what you’re doing. You have to have the equipment, pro quality equipment, but you can record right on your iPhone, and it’s gonna sound amazing if you know what you’re doing. I don’t know what I’m doing. I need some friends to come in and play bass and drums and stuff, and I need a studio to mix it and master it and stuff like that. It’s expensive. You cannot make any money back on recorded music. You probably know this, yeah, in the streaming era, you know, I need, I need somebody to stream. It’s a hobby. It’s a hobby. It’s an expensive hobby. And so right now, like I just, and I have to, I have a high school senior and a high school sophomore, they go to city, and I can’t, I can’t, I can’t just light 1000s of dollars on fire to make, to make a record. Understood

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Nestor Aparicio  25:00

so as a journalist who writes and is creative, and I have felt this. And I mean, I wrote a letter to Eric Decosta in Pearl Jam verse that you can go check out. I’ve written my own declaration of independence being thrown at. I mean, I should be at ravens practice today, right? Like that’s what I did for all of that point my life. I’m blessed to be here with you eating oysters and having sponsors and having fun and hoping that Nils Lofgren walks by and like all that. But there’s a point where the creative part, and I talked to Michael Galkin about this as a journalist, saying, like, when you write, it’s all it’s what you do. I write whether anybody reads it or not. My wife always says you’re writing for whom I’m like, I’m writing for myself. I’m writing to clear my head. I’m writing to get my thoughts together, and maybe one day I’ll use this part of the song. And I think that that must be what it’s like to be Bruce Springsteen, to just sit around and write stuff. He’s got so many songs nobody’s ever heard because he’s never wanted to be and verses and lines and whatever that are just forever in a trove that go nowhere. And I would think to be that the kind of musician you are, I would love to have given enough time and been talented enough to have that skill set to just sing to my wife at night or sing to myself, or just strum or play or learn something new that I want to do or perform. But it feels to me like to be an Eddie Lauer or to be somebody that comes in. Eddie’s here tonight, by the way, Cooper’s literally, I saw him last night to come out and perform. And Lawrence gallon from sticks was on this week, and he talked about, like, I we have to get out and be in front of people. We even if we have new music and they don’t want to hear it, we need to make it and we need to play it, and if they don’t want it, that’s fine. But I at 70 years old, this is what a 70 year old musician that you’re a 40 something year old musician, right? Like you have a skill set to do this, and if you put it down, you don’t use it. But it’s not about making money. What does it do for your soul to just grab a guitar and play it? That’s

Dave Sheinin  26:50

a great question, and you’re absolutely right. Like, I still write, I still play, if, if we’re gathered out on the stoop one evening in butcher’s hill where I live, you know the guitar is likely to come out. I still have the six foot grand piano in my front room there where we could gather around and I’ll beat the hell out of play. Piano. Piano player, really,

Nestor Aparicio  27:11

that was your first game. Yeah, yeah.

Dave Sheinin  27:13

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Wow, did your mother or father do your thing? Yeah? Nobody in my Elton, John,

Nestor Aparicio  27:19

what I mean? Yeah,

Dave Sheinin  27:23

yeah, I would say those two were massive for me as a kid in Springsteen, you know the Roy bitten part? Sure, yeah, yeah, all that stuff, man. I mean, I just

Nestor Aparicio  27:32

so you could go right now and you me and Roy bitten could play the beginning of jungle. I

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Dave Sheinin  27:36

would not care with Roy bitten watching me. No way too shy, yes. All right, not shy. Just just pale in comparison. No way am I gonna play in front of him?

Nestor Aparicio  27:49

What is the greatest musical performance you’ve ever seen? You and I are having a bottle of wine, Dave shining, and you say, all right, like I saw this thing once. That was the greatest thing I’d ever seen

Dave Sheinin  28:03

off the top of my head. And I could out think myself and go with any number of different things. But I would say it would have to be Springsteen, because spring scene is the best Live Performer I’ve ever seen. And it would have to be Springsteen at the first jazz fest in New Orleans after Katrina, where it was oh six Katrina had happened in the August before they were on the fence about whether we’re gonna do this jazz fest, because the city’s been wrecked. The people were, you know, scattered all over creation. Finally, they decided we’re gonna go through with this thing. Bruce Springsteen was on the on the lineup, and he showed with his big band this, oh, remember that, right? Yeah. Well, the secret session, sure. I mean, 1920 people on stage, multiple, multiple fiddles, accordions, you know, yeah. So he comes out and, and he, he, you know, played most of that record. And he also, yeah, right. It’s like a little Dixieland type of thing, banjos and stuff. And then he played, you know, a song, God, I can’t even remember the name of it. That was a cover, but it was, it was so spot on for that crowd on my city of ruins probably could have been. It was, it was, he did play that. And it was amazing. How can a poor man sometimes?

Nestor Aparicio  29:21

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Yeah, could a poor man survive? Yeah, something like that. It

Dave Sheinin  29:26

was, it was just incredible. And it was a small, smallish crowd for jazz fest. The numbers were way down, which only meant that we got closer to the stage than, you know, any other jazz fest. And it was, it was just, I’ll never forget it. It was it was it was it was joyous and and, and and mournful at the same time.

Nestor Aparicio  29:48

If you ask me that question, I really struggle with it. You know, like, of all the concerts I’ve seen and stuff like that, I I feel like I saw the alarm at hammer Jack’s one night, where I feel like I saw rock and roll. You know, it’s like one of those. Moments where, like,

Dave Sheinin  30:02

those moments are different in a bar

Nestor Aparicio  30:05

with 1000 people, where everybody’s on the edge of it and it’s the end of the night in a pool of sweat, yeah, that’s effing rock and roll, right? Yeah? Like, literally, yeah. We could talk some sports. Dave shines here for The Washington Post. It’s all brought to you by the Maryland lottery or the Maryland crab cake tour oyster fest is going on here in Fells Point, but oyster fest going on all month. I’m doing the Maryland oyster tour on the 26th we’re going to be at the bno railroad museum with all of the oyster farmers talking about oysters and and China. Already said, I didn’t know there were 26 ways to eat them. I’m well, I’m on day nine or 10, and I’m fine. I turned down an oyster sandwich yesterday for the roasted oysters. I have not had a Rockefeller yet. I have not had an oyster with a piece of bacon on it yet. I have only had one bowl of oyster stew. Yes, I went to Riley’s. It was phenomenally a cream of thingy, thingy. I had go to the Federal House in Annapolis. I had a crab ceviche. Oyster. So raw, oyster ceviche. Crab claw Maryland. Crab claw in it. And it was just this complex thing that was just, I’m thinking about going back there right now. I went to the urban oyster in Hamden. Yeah, brunch. My wife got dressed up, she looked as beautiful as she is, and I ordered against my own like I didn’t know I was gonna order this. I ordered an oyster Benedict. So it’s a oyster fritter, which is a little different than a fried oyster on top of French toast with a poached egg on top. And it was, I mean, I didn’t know I liked oysters this much. I mean, I’m people really. Do you get sick of oysters? No, I’m gonna, I’m gonna eat them all day today. I’m gonna eat them tomorrow. I’m gonna eat them to the end of the month. We’re gonna be a fates in the 20th state fair on the 24th with Angela also Brooks 27th we’re gonna be a Costas down at Dundalk on the 20th and faith leaves. Have John Sarbanes coming by for some oysters. And, my goodness, we’re gonna be doing it every day. Dave shining is my friend, first and foremost, musician, a sports writer, Father, buddy, resident butcher’s Hill dude, musician, and provides the music here for wnst. And he is just freshly back from party and Stalin peak and the Olympics of the summer. We’re gonna talk to baseball, some baseball, some football, some more rock and roll, and I’m still looking out the window for Gary W talent, where Fells Point, we’re Cooper’s. Come give us some love down here in Fells Point, and come down to the Festival this weekend. You.