Former Hagerstown mayor Emily Keller tells Nestor about Maryland fighting fentanyl and opioid addiction in her second year as Special Secretary of Overdose Response for Governor Wes Moore throughout the state. Lots to learn here…
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SPEAKERS
Nestor Aparicio, Emily Keller
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
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Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T, Towson, Baltimore, Baltimore, positive. We are positively in Ocean City, Maryland. We’re on the Coastal Highway. We’re at Fish pal conventions. I like saying fish pal because I knew fish Gold Rush, sevens, doublers. We got these to give away next Friday. It’s our last batch. We’re gonna be at fadelies, at Lexington market, all the brought to you by Liberty, pure solutions, as well as Jiffy Lube. Luke’s going to be coming down to join us. I have other celebrities, dignitaries, fun people joining us. Senator Ben Cardin is going to join us down here at Mako, as well as Chris Van Hollen. We’ve had so many great guests. Next Friday, we get the crab cake tour going again. Mark Viviano will join us on the fourth at Coco’s. The newly retired Mark Viviano. We’re finally gonna have real conversation with VIV and then we do 26 oysters in 26 days in 26 ways all around the bay. All that’s brought to you by the Maryland lottery as well. This is one of my defending champions. I do remember the first time I reached Emily Keller, former mayor of Hagerstown, now our drug czar here in the state of Maryland, she was real chippy and mouthy on Twitter. One I know you find it’s hard to believe that when you were a young politician, and I’m like, Who’s this feisty woman, who’s the mayor of I went into my wife, I’m like, I’m gonna email her, and she’s gonna come on a show. And then I emailed you, and you’re like, and you have this Pittsburgh accent, which I love, and you didn’t know me from boo, and you came on and did the show, and I think we were talking about opioid addiction. I believe that was the topic and the subject matter of and maybe Trump was running the country and saying stupid stuff, and that pissed you off. I don’t know what it was, but then I got to know you a little bit over the last couple years here at Mako, you’re one of my all time favorites, and clearly one of Wes Moore’s favorites too, because he, uh, he, he boomed you up and out of Hagerstown, where you don’t get krumpies Donuts after 7pm anymore, but you still live in acres down right?
Emily Keller 01:51
I do three blocks from krumpies, so I still get crumbs. How
Nestor Aparicio 01:54
often do you go up there and indulge in this? Not too often. I hope. No,
Emily Keller 01:59
no, I had to make a promise to myself when I bought the house that I would not go there every single night, because it’s very easy to walk. You can you smell them when you’re when I like run or walk? Yes, yes. This
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Nestor Aparicio 02:10
is I don’t want to pimp it too much, because people, you’re going to tell them all the reasons they need to come to Hagerstown and the new baseball team and like all that stuff. You’ll give me all of that, but I went to Hagerstown on the crab cake tour, and I had a recommendation to go to Ricks and get a crab cake. And Rick was crazy, as it came advertised. He was crazy, and the crab cake was delicious. But then I think I met you around that period of time, and I think you told me I should go to krumpies, or somebody told me about krumpies, and I Googled it, and the hours on it said 7pm opens at 7pm I’m like, I said, Jen, there’s a typo. It’s a gotta be a Google typo, that this donut shop would open at seven o’clock at night. It is the most unique place it they serve donuts out of a back alley in this neighborhood that looks like for anybody in Baltimore, looks like Parkville, like regular, you know, kind of houses, but you have to go to the alley, and there’s signs for it, and then you go down the alley,
Emily Keller 03:08
alley, and literally, Donut alley, that’s the name of it.
Nestor Aparicio 03:13
It’s Hagerstown, right? So I’m already giving people the joys of Hagerstown. So you go down this alley, and then you just see brake lights the whole way, if you’re not there at 655 Yeah, show up at 830 Yeah. Hagerstown is cool. It is. It is very cool place. Are you? You’re a native. Did you? Did you born, raised the whole deal? Yep, born
Emily Keller 03:32
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and raised South High rebel. Rebel with a call is here. All right.
Nestor Aparicio 03:35
Well, tell me about the baseball thing, because I want to give you all the love and the credit and all this. I gave her a hard time last night we were out socializing. I said, Yeah, I know I see that baseball thing, and you’re not the mayor anymore, but I have a feeling that the baseball thing because, I mean, if you’re an Oriole fan, you’re seeing the ads, right? And I think a lot of people were like me. I had never been to Hagerstown in my life before I knew you. I mean, I never jumped off the road, except maybe to pee, get gas. I did go to the Hagerstown royal farms. Did it fried chicken three weeks ago when I drove through. But you know, Hagerstown is one of those places that maybe people haven’t appreciated. And when I did get off the road, I saw all the things that you talked about, with issues, with a small community and all that, but I saw this beautiful park that we drove through, and I know I commented to you, I’m like, That’s a beautiful space. And now you’ve even augmented it even more.
Emily Keller 04:24
Yeah, it, you know, Hagerstown, I think is so underrated. But right now, I truly feel like it’s Hager sounds Renaissance. You know, there’s 45,000 people there. It’s bigger than people think. It’s the sixth largest municipality in Maryland, and they just opened $100 million baseball stadium for the Hagerstown flying box cars. And why flying box cars? The box cars, it’s a it’s a plane that was made in Hagerstown. Okay, fair job. Yeah. So one of the unique names, like the savannah bananas and all the other like niche, why box cars, flying box cars, that’s the name this. City itself, under this administration, is building 114,000 square foot indoor turf facility, so there’ll be two full size turf courts, six hard courts, a gym, a restaurant, a play area for kids, and they’re cutting the ribbon on it in January. And so it I mean, those are two massive projects that one is finished, one is being completed, and just everything around there, a lot of development. Just a really, really good time for Hagerstown. Well, I
Nestor Aparicio 05:32
think when I met you couple years ago, and your mouth the only internet you’re the mayor Hagerstown, former insurance gal, and you’ve told your story about your your dear friend, who you lost her life and opioid addiction and your role and all that, and we’ll get that in a minute. But I thought like, you might be the mayor Hagerstown for the next couple three cement you know, like a little while, and then you get tapped on. Because I don’t think you aspired to, like greater heights or meeting the President or any of that stuff that, but I think you wanted to be the mayor Hagerstown that was like, what you wanted to do.
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Emily Keller 06:01
I did. I wanted to help people who use drugs like that. Was it? That was why I ran. I wanted to help people who use drugs and provide resources and figure out your community. It was eating my community up. It’s eating our nation up. And I thought, you know, I’m sitting here, I’m complaining on the sidelines. So I can sit here and complain and yell and scream, stomp my feet, or I can try to do something about it. So that’s the only reason I got into politics. You wonder why
Nestor Aparicio 06:25
she’s one of my favorites so, you know. But you’re not an elected anymore, right? You’re now an appointee. You told the story a little bit last year, but I want you to tell again this year, and maybe the year since last time I saw your hat, it’s me yourself. Had you on the show. I got to get a get come get an oyster with you, something like that. Annapolis, you’re working or whatever. But you took this gig last year, and you were talking about Joe Biden and Wes Moore. You, you became sort of a Johnny Bravo star for the Democrats in the state, one in taking over. But more than that, you know, you’re not really democratic area. When I’m out in Hagerstown, it’s Trump Landia. You know the fact that you got elected and God is the person who replaced you. Is that a Democrat or Republican? She is a Democrat. She’s a Democrat, okay, but it’s hard for Democrats get elected in Washington County, right?
Emily Keller 07:11
It is, it is. The city of Hagerstown is pretty democratic, like two to one, but the surrounding county is very, very red, very red, right?
Nestor Aparicio 07:20
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And I would think that that creates all sorts of friction in getting things done. But for you to be looked at by Wes Moore, somebody that can get something done all around the state based on what you were doing in Hagerstown, that’s just so important. And I like cornbreads gonna come on, and the eastern shores, same problems Hagerstown has, the problems that get, maybe racially, in some ways, sort of blown up by the fox 40 fives of the world that only Baltimore has a problem. That is fiction. That’s straight fiction. Yes,
Emily Keller 07:52
it is. The problem is everywhere. Everyone is suffering. We’ve all been through trauma. You never know like and I think that’s where the stigma comes in place, because we look at people who use drugs and think, oh, it can only be from this area or this demographic, and it’s just not true, or it’s a weakness, yes, and that’s absolutely not true. You don’t know what led that person to make that decision. I said this earlier on Aaron’s show, No one writes in their diary when they’re a kid. Dear Diary, I want to have a substance use disorder when I get older. You know, no one aspires to do that. You don’t know what led that person down that path. And if we just started treating people with dignity and respect and recognizing that they’re struggling with a disease just like someone that has any other disease, we will make great strides. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 08:39
I think you look at the windows and that’s just a junkie, yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s a human tragedy right out our window, that
Emily Keller 08:46
somebody’s mother or or daughter, or, you know, son, uncle. It’s somebody’s best friend, like it was mine. That’s somebody. It’s not just, you know, someone that deserves less respected anyone else.
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Nestor Aparicio 09:01
What do you do every day? What is your Emily Keller, former mayor of Hagerstown, now the opioid Czarina. I can’t call you czar because you’re not male, but what is your title and what’s your and when, when Governor Moore comes to you and says, I want you to do this, what? What is the this that leads to the that from an appointed position that I’m thinking didn’t exist 10 years ago, 15 years ago, right?
Emily Keller 09:24
It did not. This is the first time that there’s been a special secretary. So my title is special Secretary of overdose response, and I oversee Maryland’s office of overdose response, which was kind of Reformed under Governor Moore. There’s never been a cabinet member that was specific for substance use disorder before Governor Moore, so he appointed me into this position. Our office actually, like collaborates with all of the state agencies and all of the jurisdictions to make sure we’re all singing from the same sheet of music, if you will, and we’re creating the collaboration plan for. State. So
Nestor Aparicio 10:00
you’re literally doing a blueprint for what this job is. This job didn’t exist, and it’s now will exist, and we’re gonna take care of this, that and the other, but maybe we should have this and some other What have you learned in the first year, like, what’s really important about starting an agency from Dreamland? But I would think there’s other places in the country that are doing this well, I mean, all of these things can be borrowed, if not stolen from right?
Emily Keller 10:21
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Absolutely, I think one of the things I’ve learned that really strikes me was last September, we did a town hall series. And we went to every single jurisdiction, all 2023, counties in Baltimore City, and we met with the Health Department, the treatment centers, the hospitals. PDS, yes, the fire departments. And then we had a public town hall in every county so people could come in, share their stories, tell us what we’re doing right, what we’re doing wrong, what they need. And
10:49
it is amazing. It involves police, Doctor. Involves
Emily Keller 10:53
everything, food, you know, everything,
Nestor Aparicio 10:58
kids, schools. Oh, yeah, all of it, yeah. Well, both my parents had drug, I mean, had alcohol problems. You know, we didn’t look at as like different. I mean, it wasn’t even as frowned upon to be a drunk as it was to be a junkie, right? Like, it’s a whole, it’s a whole different thing of quitting on them. Everybody knew about alcohol, anonymous or whatever, but narcotics, oh, you know, illegal, that’s there’s just such a stigma about it, and that’s
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Emily Keller 11:23
a stigma we need to get over, because we don’t. We don’t look at alcohol use disorder at the same and it’s the second leading cause of overdose death in the state of Maryland. Alcohol is
Nestor Aparicio 11:32
not to mention drunk driving and just all everything else, violence, everything goes into it, sure, but
Emily Keller 11:37
we don’t look at it the same, same as what you know. We don’t look at someone who has lung cancer because they smoke cigarettes their whole life and look down on them. I mean, every it’s a disease. Addiction is a disease. But, yeah, I think what we learned going across the state was it’s everywhere, and the problems are the same, like you would think Garrett County would be significantly different than Baltimore City, but that’s not the case. I mean, they have some varying issues, and they all have
Nestor Aparicio 12:11
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access to the drugs in sort of an equal sort of way, right? Yeah, that the fact that the drugs are available is probably and then fentanyl, right? That’s a whole different level of
Emily Keller 12:22
every killing people. Yes, yes, it is, and it’s in everything you know. Fentanyl is in pretty much every single drug you use now, cocaine with fentanyl is increasing in deaths here in the state of Maryland, 55 and older. As far as age is one of the leading age groups that are dying from overdose, 55 and older. And I think that people hear that when we would be at town halls, and you would hear people gasp, because everyone has this mental picture of what someone with a substance use disorder looks like, and 55 and older, isn’t it? I’m
Nestor Aparicio 12:57
55 right? So like that. That hits home, right? Yeah. Well, Emily Keller’s our guest. She’s in Apple’s doing the good work. So you do this tour and and where is the agency now, that wasn’t a year ago in implementation of dreams, goals and money. I mean, money was put behind this for you, your salary, your staff all this and then getting out of the field to get success stories. I guess you come back to me and say, Hey, we know this is working. This is getting better, because that’s one thing ahead of debt here. You know, when the murder rate goes down in Baltimore, it’s the oxygen comes out. You know, everything breathes a little bit better when that happens. I would think, for your number, all of these counties, all these jurisdictions, if you can show five years from now that you’ve done something, that would really be that’s why you’re here. It’s why you’re doing this.
Emily Keller 13:47
Absolutely less people die. That’s the goal, right? Sure, I would love to see it be zero. There has been a decrease from 2022 to 2023 and overdose deaths by about 2.7% so far with preliminary numbers. So the numbers are going down. What we’re working on right now is that coordination plan so we can go to the Department of Labor and say, Hey, we need help making jobs that are recovery friendly. We can go to the Department of Behavioral Health and say, Hey, we need more mental health resources here. How can we collaborate better? And then we work with all the jurisdictions to say, what are you doing? What are you missing? And here’s best practices from other jurisdictions. Can you implement them?
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Nestor Aparicio 14:31
I would think just and this doesn’t speak to Hagerstown as much as it does to Western Maryland or the eastern shore or less populated places. I’ve done a lot of work with the hospital association over the years to learn about hospitals, and certainly during covid, their breaking point and the stress point and all of that, but opioid addiction, to a small hospital in Garrett County or in Charles in more suburban places, to have staff to be equipped to deal with the I mean. Dealing with it every day, right? I mean, it’s as much as, like in Baltimore, you perceive shootings to be something every hospital deals with. I would think in all of these places, is there an overwhelm in the way covid Where they have more too many patients to deal with, or resources to deal with, individual patients? Because I know by their very nature, the hospitals are smaller in those places, you know, less resources.
Emily Keller 15:21
Yeah, emergency departments were overwhelmed for a while, and I think most of them will still say the same thing, but it’s
Nestor Aparicio 15:27
a straight overdose, right? Like, that’s the worst of the world I’m talking about. What happens before you get to that level, right?
Emily Keller 15:33
8Yeah, yeah. Well, now there’s so many treatment centers and crisis centers. There’s the state is putting a ton of money in the crisis center. So someone who’s in crisis, whether it be substance use disorder, mental health, whatever that crisis is, has a place that they can walk into. There was a lot of money put into 988 so now someone, if you’re struggling, if you know someone who’s struggling, if you don’t know what to do, you can call 988 and be provided resources. And that has really taken some of the burden off of emergency departments in the hospital.
Nestor Aparicio 16:02
Well, it should also eat equal less overdoses and less deaths, which is the goal of all of this, right? We
Emily Keller 16:08
hear that all the prevention, yeah, exactly, yeah. And we hear it all the time. If someone comes and says, I just found out my son is is using fentanyl, I have no idea what to do. Well, now you can call this number and they’ll help you. What do
Nestor Aparicio 16:23
people need to know about fentanyl? Because, I mean, I don’t know enough about it. I just know it can kill you, and I don’t, you know, I’m not on the black market using this, but it would be the number one fear I was going to Street New York, like during the plague two years ago, and they’re just selling weed out on you, like, literally out of trucks on the streets in New York, and you smell it, whatever guy offers your weed. And I’m thinking, ain’t no way. And, you know, I’m cannabis sponsor Mercurio. I think one of the things about cannabis and the opioid thing is just sort of, I know where it’s being grown from. I know it’s, you know, it’s regulated now, like, the lottery is regulated, and gambling, there’s something about that. But, like, I saw it on the street, and I’m thinking, There’s no way, but people are doing this every day on the black market, and that’s how they’re dying, right? I mean literally. I mean
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Emily Keller 17:09
fentanyl is and everything. I think one of the big misconceptions is, so we have a program called the rapid analysis of drugs here in Maryland, where people who use Health Department syringe service programs provide, like their syringes, they’re used syringes, they’re baggies, their pipes, and so you can see them, right? Yes, and we can test it real time, so we know what is in our illicit drug market in real time, which is very convenient, because then we can tailor outreach efforts to accommodate that. The misconception is people think they’re still using heroin. There’s less than 2% heroin isn’t less than 2% of our drugs, like heroin, is pretty much non existent anymore. It is all fentanyl. They’re just
Nestor Aparicio 17:52
calling it heroin. Yeah, it gets you high. You don’t know the difference. You’re high. You think you got heroin, but you don’t, you
Emily Keller 17:57
don’t you have fentanyl, and it’s significantly more potent, and like I said, now it’s being mixed with cocaine, so people who have been habitual like party drug users. I mean, let’s be realistic here. Some people use cocaine, college students, you need to stay up all night write a paper. They might use cocaine. It’s no longer cocaine. A lot of times it has fentanyl in it. So we’re seeing an increase in overdoses and overdose deaths with people, but for the overdoses, when they survive, they thought they were genuinely using cocaine and had fentanyl in it. It’s very scary. It’s very scary. There’s not a lot of misconceptions, which is why we want everyone to have naloxone. Most people know it is Narcan, that’s a brand name, but that can reverse an overdose death, and we want everyone to carry it. Some people are scared because they think if that person has fentanyl residue on them and they come in contact with them, that they could overdose. That is a misconception. It’s a myth. It is. It’s a myth. So we’re really trying to push that message. My team has like, a PSA out on our website about it, like, don’t be scared to carry naloxone. And don’t be don’t be scared to administer it if you come across someone who’s overdosing, because you could be their lifesaver. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 19:11
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we’ve done a lot of heavy talk here from Hagerstown, Emily Keller’s here. She’s trying to make the state better from out in Hagerstown, making a crumpes better and get me donuts. Let’s, let’s get to the important thing here, the Washington football team,
Emily Keller 19:28
my commanders, my community. Why?
Nestor Aparicio 19:32
You know, I’ve given you so you would look so much prettier in purple. Yeah, nobody looks good in that burgundy and gold, you know. But it is interesting being anchor snap, because most of your people up there are probably Steelers people when, you know like they are, yeah, it’s just, I see the Steelers country up there, yeah, into not,
Emily Keller 19:47
listen, I don’t root against the Ravens. So I go to ravens games. I root against the Ravens when they’re playing the commanders. But when it gets to the playoffs, if it’s not us and it’s never, it’s not normal. Us right then I become a Ravens fan because I would never root against Maryland, but my heart and soul are the commanders. I have screamed, I’ve cried, I’ve paid 1000s of dollars to go see them, half of my closet, new ownership. I’m excited about it. We need it. Did
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Nestor Aparicio 20:15
you ever quit on I mean, I’ve been treated like garbage by Angelo’s. It’s, it’s obviously bashati is treating me like garbage after I spent millions of dollars. Millions of dollars on tickets. But there’s a thing about Snyder being like a different level of pariah, like, you know, in in talking about, I, I have, and I’d like to admit this, but I had some former Redskins fans of my life. They quit on them. I mean, you know, a couple my friend and I’m talking guys that wore their headdresses, and Joe Gibbs and John riggett, like all like lifer fans 10 years ago, when they went to every game until, I mean, I one of my best friends in the world, they just stopped. They just like everybody stopped. The stadium was empty, right? You never stopped.
Emily Keller 20:54
I never stopped. I grew up in that. I mean, I watched football Sundays with my dad every Sunday and my mom. I mean, I see a
Nestor Aparicio 21:01
Washington fan, is that? How? Okay?
Emily Keller 21:03
8Oh yeah, I knew the fight song. I had, like, pom poms and a helmet and football. It’s just, it’s just, like, in me, it was very strange singing hail to the commanders the first you know
Nestor Aparicio 21:16
why I know that song. And this is gonna be a sad story. I’m gonna drop the mic and we’ll go have a crab together later on. But my football team left in the middle of the night in a Mayflower van when I was 17 years old. You know, you young people don’t know about this. I wasn’t alive, but I know, right? It’s all written when you were, you born, 86 Yeah, all right. You don’t know. You don’t know from anything. So I got socks older than you, young lady, but the Colts left, and when that happened, you have to, you know, understand this, you’re in Hagerstown. You’re probably getting Steelers games all the time anyway, but we didn’t have a team anymore, and what they would do is they blacked out everything. We would only get the Joe Gibbs Washington, burgundy and Goal team on beginning in 84 5678, so we wind up missing really big games, good games, Giants we play into, and we’d have live from Tempe, the zero and 29 Arizona Cardinals taking on the Washington red team. So we dealt with the Redskins being shoved down our throats. They made Baltimore a Washington market. No. So that would really speak to the, you know, why most of us Ravens fans really have a disdain for the Washington football team and really got off on how awful Dan Snyder really was and how long it let, I mean, it’s appalling what he did, like, it’s really appalling.
Emily Keller 22:36
Yeah, I used to always say they make it hard to love and say, you know, even if they went Owen 16, I’d still love them. But they tested. They tested.
Nestor Aparicio 22:44
Is it becoming easier? I mean, like as an Oriole fan with new ownership, there is a breath of difference. You know, you feel different about it. Are you watching the games differently? Now? A little more hope? Maybe,
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Emily Keller 22:55
yeah, but I’ve always been hopeful, really. But
Nestor Aparicio 22:59
I can’t take it away from I mean, you’re clear. I mean, I’ve tried for a couple years that you’re, you’re pretty hardcore. Oh, I,
Emily Keller 23:04
I am hard. You’re hardcore. Yeah, yeah. Are
Nestor Aparicio 23:07
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you the only Washington football fan, you know, in hakers? I mean, were there, are there other is it Raven Steelers? And you’re just an outlier? No,
Emily Keller 23:13
there’s commander fans. Okay, yeah, and I’m raising one. I mean, she had no choice. She had no choice, and poor
Nestor Aparicio 23:20
kid’s gonna lose all her life. You know, it’s, you know,
Emily Keller 23:23
I got her a custom Jersey as soon as they changed the team name with her last name. Won it. I’m like, here.
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Nestor Aparicio 23:28
Are you happy with commanders, doesn’t he? It’s weird. It still doesn’t roll off my I would
Emily Keller 23:35
have gone with the red hogs, because the hogs the line, right? Um, but it’s copyrighted, so they couldn’t do it. That would have been my first choice, because we’ve always been the hogs. Look,
Nestor Aparicio 23:46
anybody that, anybody that served a world to screw Dan Snyder before he could screw them, good for them. You know, they’re not making any money off of it, but they got it so nonetheless. Well, listen, anything we can do to help you in Baltimore, you spend most your time in Annapolis, or, I mean, you’re back and forth or back and forth all over the place. You really all over the state now, right? Yeah, I
Emily Keller 24:06
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still live in Hagerstown. Next
Nestor Aparicio 24:08
initiative, anything, just the Narcan, that’s probably the big message that you’re trying your PSAs are about that, right? Just don’t be afraid of people who’ve overdosed. Help them. Help people. Yeah, for
Emily Keller 24:19
sure, that’s a big initiative implementing some of the things from the racial and overdose task force that we’re looking to eliminate disparities in overdoses. And then September is Recovery Month, and we are going all over the state to celebrate people in recovery and show that it is real. Well, let’s have
Nestor Aparicio 24:38
an oyster while we celebrate recovery. All right, I’ll celebrate football season. Celebrate the Orioles going to the playoffs. Emily Keller is helping us down on Annapolis. She is the special sec. Help me, special secretary. Overdose response, overdose response. All right, let’s make sure I get that right. I call her the czar queen, and she’s doing good things. Always good to see her, always good to see all the folks down here. Cornbread is going to be joining me on Friday. Friday, Senator Van Hollen, Senator Cardin, talking about the end of his term. John Sarbanes is coming soon. Johnny Oh, stopping by, trying to think of who else is even coming by here. Lots of fun people. We’re gonna be down here in Ocean City, doing the Mako thing, the Maryland conference, counties conference, where we get really good crab cakes. Get to meet some fun people and get to from my wife’s standpoint, she gets to come down and watch me in a conventional Well, she gets to go out and have fun on the beach. I encourage everybody come down here, support the beach. And my son’s coming down next month for the concerts. I mean, Ocean City’s got it going on down here. It’s mob with people, lots of pretty girls, lots of families. Rides are all up. Food’s all happening. Thrashers on the boardwalk. Still no catch up there, but I’ll talk to less about that. Signing off from Ocean City. We’ll be back for more. I’m Nestor. We are wnsda, 15, 70,000 Baltimore, we never stopped talking Ocean City. Mako, Baltimore, positive. You.
