Feting Macdonald without questioning Minter while awaiting Lamar to sign

We’re onto next season! As the Seahawks were crowned Super Bowl LX champions, Luke Jones and Nestor marinate beyond a boring game and honor the Mike Macdonald defensive show in Seattle while acknowledging it’s now “go time” for Eric DeCosta to get a deal done with Lamar Jackson as rookie head coach Jesse Minter settles into his new role in Owings Mills with the NFL Combine less than two weeks away.

Nestor Aparicio and Luke Jones discussed the aftermath of the Seattle Seahawks’ Super Bowl win, highlighting the Seahawks’ defensive prowess and the New England Patriots’ struggles. They analyzed the AFC’s offseason, noting the potential for teams like the Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs to improve with new coaches and roster adjustments. The conversation emphasized the importance of extending Lamar Jackson’s contract, with Luke suggesting a restructure to make him the highest-paid QB. They also touched on the challenges of first-time head coaches like Jesse Minter and the need for a smooth offseason to avoid distractions.

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Seattle Seahawks’ Super Bowl Victory and Initial Reactions

• Nestor Aparicio welcomes listeners to WNST AM 1570 and introduces the new sponsor, Farnand Dermer, an electrical, plumbing, and HVAC contractor.
• Nestor mentions his discomfort during the Super Bowl, describing the game as forgettable compared to past Super Bowls.
• Luke Jones discusses the Seattle Seahawks’ dominance, highlighting their defense and the struggles of the New England Patriots’ offense.
• Nestor and Luke reflect on the AFC’s performance, noting the lack of competitiveness and the unexpected success of the Philadelphia Eagles.

Analysis of the Super Bowl and AFC Teams

• Nestor and Luke discuss the defensive performance of the Seattle Seahawks, comparing it to the 2000 Baltimore Ravens’ defense.
• Nestor mentions the AFC’s current state, with teams like Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Kansas City facing significant changes.
• Luke highlights the importance of having a franchise quarterback, mentioning Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert as key players.
• Nestor and Luke debate the long-term prospects of quarterbacks like Drake May and Sam Darnold, noting the challenges they face in the AFC.

Challenges and Opportunities for AFC Teams

• Luke discusses the challenges of repeating as Super Bowl champions, mentioning the quick turnaround and the demands of the offseason.
• Nestor and Luke reflect on the success of the Baltimore Ravens’ defense under Mike McDonald and the potential for Jesse Minter to replicate that success.
• Luke emphasizes the importance of having a balanced roster and a franchise quarterback to sustain success in the AFC.
• Nestor and Luke discuss the potential for the Ravens to improve under Jesse Minter, given the defensive talent already in place.

Jesse Minter’s Role and the Ravens’ Offseason Strategy

• Nestor and Luke discuss Jesse Minter’s experience and the challenges he will face as a first-time head coach.
• Luke mentions the importance of having experienced coaches on the staff to support Jesse Minter, similar to the setup in Seattle.
• Nestor reflects on the Ravens’ history of winning with different coaches and the potential for Jesse Minter to succeed.
• Luke highlights the need for the Ravens to address the offensive line and other roster needs to support Lamar Jackson and the defense.

Lamar Jackson’s Contract and the Ravens’ Offseason Priorities

• Nestor and Luke discuss the importance of extending Lamar Jackson’s contract and the potential challenges in negotiations.
• Luke explains the benefits of having a pre-existing contract structure and the potential for a simpler restructure.
• Nestor emphasizes the need for the Ravens to avoid drama with Lamar Jackson and focus on building a competitive roster.
• Luke highlights the importance of addressing the offensive line and other roster needs to support Lamar Jackson and the defense.

The Importance of a Smooth Offseason for the Ravens

• Nestor and Luke discuss the need for a smooth offseason to avoid distractions and focus on building a competitive roster.
• Luke emphasizes the importance of getting Lamar Jackson’s contract extension done before the start of free agency.
• Nestor reflects on the potential for the Ravens to address other roster needs and improve their overall competitiveness.
• Luke highlights the challenges of the offseason, including the combine, free agency, and the draft, and the need for a well-prepared organization.

The Role of Experience and Leadership in Coaching

• Nestor and Luke discuss the importance of experience and leadership in coaching, noting the challenges faced by first-time head coaches.
• Luke mentions the need for Jesse Minter to command a room and handle the responsibilities of a head coach.
• Nestor reflects on the importance of having experienced coaches on the staff to support Jesse Minter.
• Luke highlights the potential for Jesse Minter to learn from experienced coaches and improve his leadership skills.

The Impact of Coaching Changes on Team Dynamics

• Nestor and Luke discuss the impact of coaching changes on team dynamics and the importance of a smooth transition.
• Luke emphasizes the need for the Ravens to support Jesse Minter and Declan Doyle to ensure a successful transition.
• Nestor reflects on the importance of maintaining team cohesion and avoiding distractions during the offseason.
• Luke highlights the potential for the Ravens to improve under new leadership and build on their defensive success.

The Importance of a Strong Offensive Line

• Nestor and Luke discuss the importance of a strong offensive line to support Lamar Jackson and the Ravens’ offense.
• Luke emphasizes the need for the Ravens to address the offensive line in free agency and the draft.
• Nestor reflects on the challenges faced by the offensive line and the potential for improvement.
• Luke highlights the importance of having a balanced roster to support Lamar Jackson and the defense.

The Potential for a Successful Offseason

• Nestor and Luke discuss the potential for a successful offseason for the Ravens, given the defensive talent and the new coaching staff.
• Luke emphasizes the importance of getting Lamar Jackson’s contract extension done and addressing other roster needs.
• Nestor reflects on the potential for the Ravens to improve under new leadership and build on their defensive success.
• Luke highlights the challenges of the offseason and the need for a well-prepared organization to succeed.

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NFL offseason, Seattle Seahawks, Baltimore Ravens, Lamar Jackson, Mike McDonald, Jesse Minter, Super Bowl, defense, quarterback, free agency, coaching staff, cap space, franchise quarterback, offseason challenges.

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Nestor Aparicio, Luke Jones

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home. We are W, N, S T. Am 1570 to Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive, positively into the next season. The other seasons over with. Now the Seattle Seahawks are the champions, and they’ll have their parade and do all of that. We’ve got a new sponsor here in farnand Dermer, I promise not to mispronounce it more than once a week. And I did promise them that if they gave me the new hat, I would put it on, because Luke doesn’t wear such things. So I’m having some fun. Electrical, plumbing, eating, air conditioning contractors. They are the comfort guys. I’ll be telling you more and more about them. I am going to take the silly hat off, although I do like the Kelly gold and the green here for my my gun dog, high compatriots. Luke Jones joins us now. He will be wearing the foreign and Dermer gear as we gear up for let’s see here ravens, real off season with a new coach and new everything except same players, same general manager, same owner, same reporters, except for me and baseball season, which is getting going Sarasota as pitchers and catchers report and new facilities in Florida, we hope to facilitate to Florida. But thus far, it’s unconfirmed. But what is confirmed is that was full disclosure, Luke, I spent most of Sunday projectile vomiting. I got sick. It’s why I don’t. I fist bump people and don’t. People should be glad to not shake my hand, because you don’t know what I got but, but I watched the game Sunday night in like sort of I wasn’t well, I wasn’t together. I was hoping for a better game. And I tell you what, man, it was pretty forgettable from a 60 Super Bowls from the last 40 or so that I’ve witnessed as a grown up and and watched, boy oh boy forgettable. And I don’t even know an hour after the game if we’d have much to say about it, other than, you know, Don’t bet on a quarterback that’s going to wet himself before the game begins. Well, I mean,

Luke Jones  02:01

Seattle was just better. I mean, we talked about it throughout the week. I think while I wasn’t being completely disrespectful to the New England Patriots for the year that they had, we all talked about their schedule. We all talked about the quality of play in the AFC compared to the NFC. I think there are many people and I certainly shared this sentiment from about mid November on, I thought Seattle and the Rams were the two best teams in football. I think that kind of played out the way we thought it would. When you look at how the NFC Championship game was, where that was a much more competitive game. But give Mike McDonald and that Seahawks defense a lot of credit, right? I mean, they completely shut down New England until early in the fourth quarter. The final numbers did not really if you look at the final yardage and things of that nature, this was much more. It was on a path at one point in that game to being 2000 ravens, like as far as Super Bowl, 35 now New England opened things up and got some yardage and scored some points in the fourth quarter. That changed that a little bit, but it was, I mean, there wasn’t a touchdown scored until the fourth quarter, right? I mean, you’re, you’re talking about a Ford Myers field goals, and a lot of Seattle defense and Drake may really struggled, and their own line really struggled.

Nestor Aparicio  03:21

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It was amazing how Collins were just gave up on in the third quarter. This guy, this guy’s not, he’s not ready to win today. And, and I felt like it’s a case study on how something could be really big, man, you know what I mean, like, and it felt really big. And, you know, I’m sitting to my wife at one point, I’m like, it’s kind of shame Denver didn’t win, you know, but then they would have been playing with their backup quarterback anyway. And then I think about the A F C, and where the A F C is right, Pittsburgh, new coach Buffalo, New coach Baltimore, new coach, same players. Kansas City, injured quarterback, legendary this and that and all the other things. The other hard balls out in San Diego. His kids got a second ring. So that’s Jay har ball, two rings. John Harbaugh, one ring. Jim Harbaugh, no rings. I think is where we are. So I looked at it and thought about the A, F, C, more like, you let this you let this happen. Sam darnold won the Super Bowl like, literally, and they didn’t turn the ball over, and they played defense, and they did all of these sort of smart old football things like kick and field goals when they needed to, not going on fourth down and doing stupid stuff and turning the ball over. It’s some unfortunate part on the field cup, because they could play defense. They punted, and they got this guy from Australia. They bring in that bangs it, and nobody can catch it, let alone run it back. So really weird dude, like, weird up there with, like, maybe the Buccaneers 25 years ago, and that was more of a walkover game because of mistakes and stuff like that. But I don’t know that we’ll think about this game much, or that the game had. Like a highlight,

Luke Jones  05:01

yeah, well, and let’s call a spade a spade if, if the Ravens hadn’t been the team responsible and winning the game, it’s kind of how people the outside football world perceive Super Bowl 35 I mean, other than a recognition of that being an all time great single season defense. No one ever named Super Bowl. 35 is one that people enjoyed whatsoever, right, other than Ravens fans, and that’s fine, like in the same way

Nestor Aparicio  05:30

Seattle fans, and I’ll never let you forget it, 25 years later,

Luke Jones  05:35

of course they did, but I’m not going to sit here and say that if I hadn’t been a Ravens fan 25 years ago watching that that I necessarily would have enjoyed that game all that much. And I think it’s the same story here for everyone that’s not a Seahawks fan, but again, a hat tip of the cap to Mike McDonald. To your point, they very much played a game that aligned with what their strengths were and what New England’s weaknesses were. Sam darnold didn’t do a whole lot in this game. I mean, he did, I don’t know if you’d call it Trent dill for like, but he didn’t make mistakes, right? He completed 50% of his passes. He missed a couple throws. Trent dill for missed a couple throws in that Super Bowl, 35 pick six that got called back. That’s true, that’s true, but, but you just looked at it in terms of, what does your offense need to do. What do you need to do as a football team to support your real strength, which is your defense? And that’s what Seattle did beautifully look I’m not going to sit here and say that it was a game that I thoroughly enjoyed. It wasn’t at the same time I appreciate how terrific Seattle’s defense played for at least the first three quarters of that game. And, you know, you kind of look at it through that lens and say, Well, it’s a reminder of just how great the Ravens defense was in 2000 that even with the lead in the fourth quarter, the Giants still weren’t getting anything in garbage time, right? I mean, you look at the fine, I think the Ravens gave up, what 11 first downs in that game total. We all know how many punts all of that so, but it was very much like that in looking through the lens of just from an entertainment standpoint, if you love defense, you certainly appreciated that. And it’s not as though New England’s defense was bad in that football game either. It’s just clear there was clearly a have and a have not there, and Seattle’s defense just completely overwhelmed New England’s offense. And you know, for Drake may he’s not the first one that goes to his first Super Bowl and is overwhelmed, and certainly his offensive line didn’t help him very much either. So we’ll see how he responds in that way. And that kind of goes back to your point about the A F C in general, like, who should be the favorite in the AFC next year? I don’t think it’s necessarily New England. I don’t, I wouldn’t necessarily rule them out either. I think it’s very wide open. I think you have the teams that made an impression this year, like New England, like Denver, Jacksonville, to a lesser degree, but still give them credit. And then you have your Mainstays, and you’re going to see how they bounce back, right? I mean, in the Ravens case, still have Lamar Jackson, still have talented players on both sides of the ball, but how does Jesse Minter and a new coaching staff do same story in Buffalo, right? How does a new coaching staff do in Kansas City’s case, it’s going to all, it’s all going to come down to what is the state of Patrick mahomes knee? Is he ready to go for week one? Is he ready to go for week two? Is he ready to go for week three? Whenever he does play, how effective is he going to be? What roster tweaks Have they made? So I mean, this AFC going into 2026 I mean it’s certainly still a

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Nestor Aparicio  08:38

quarterback guy, so I’m still a borough guy, a Lamar guy, a Josh Allen. I’m still that guy. And for that, Pittsburgh’s going to have a quarterback, right? I mean, like they’re going to have somebody, I don’t know who that’s going to be. We’ll judge that when the time comes. But Denver getting their quarterback back, and Kansas City getting their quarterback back, I can’t count on the Raiders. I can’t believe in the Jets. There’s some teams you bury, yeah, but it is astonishing that Denver showed up with a backup quarterback. The Patriots showed up with an MVP on a soft schedule that will look Drake may can be seven and one at Halloween next year. You know, against the first place schedule, and we’d still look at it and say, I remember what he did in the Super Bowl, and he’s gonna have to live with that until he gets another opportunity. If there’s another opportunity. And that’s my point. Is there an IF Are we really a Drake? May believer now all of a sudden, or we really believe more? Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Justin herb, other guys that are more flashy, that have done more things. He got into a Super Bowl. I just there was nothing about it, in retrospect, especially the run of all of it, that gives me a lot of confidence with the Patriots that I’m going to be in five out of the next. Super Bowls, or that he’s the next Tom Brady in some way well,

Luke Jones  10:03

and I think I mean, any second year quarterback should be in that space, right? You’re not, you’re not going to sign when Tom Brady beat when the Patriots beat the Rams in 2001 No one at that point in time thought that Tom Brady was going to have seven Super Bowl rings.

Nestor Aparicio  10:21

Field goal went before the weather got bad. Yeah, right. I mean, I mean, for me, he’s backed into the Super Bowl because there’s no such thing. But it really was a weird, weird, weird playoff side for the A, F, C and help out on Sunday night because they were uncompetitive. Yeah. I mean,

Luke Jones  10:41

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you made mention, what if Denver had won? I mean, for me, it’s much more What if Bo Nix hadn’t gotten hurt in the final minute of the divisional round, then I’m more intrigued that said, Do I think Denver was going to beat Seattle? No, I think Denver would have had a similar outcome. Because I just think Seattle was that much better than anything we saw in the AFC this year. I mean, I just think that’s the truth. All we just

Nestor Aparicio  11:03

talk about quarterbacks, and as it turns out, defense showed up, right?

Luke Jones  11:06

Well, I think, look, and it’s funny to hear that, because now everyone’s like, Oh, you know, is defense back yada yada yada? I mean, one, it never left. Two, I don’t think this necessarily means that quarterback plays any less important, but I think it’s refreshing in the sense that teams that don’t necessarily have a top four or five quarterback in football, this is another way that you can win Now that said, it’s easier said than done to say, Okay, well, do we have a Do we have a defensive mind like Mike McDonald’s to Mike Tomlin? Yeah, exactly so. But it is refreshing looking at it from the standpoint of it’s another way that a team can have some hope, right? And you know the idea that it’s not just Patrick mahomes Every single year, the same way that it wasn’t, you know, that you thought about it being Tom Brady every single year for a long, long time. So, but But to your point, and I agree wholeheartedly, I’m still going to default to teams that have a franchise quarterback. And, I mean, like, legitimate, like you even mentioned Justin Herbert. I have questions about Justin Herbert. I mean, you know, I I’m not ready to put him above Drake May. I mean, when does Justin Herbert had a regular season like Drake may had, necessarily? Now that doesn’t mean that, like Drake May is way up here and Justin Herbert’s way down here. My point is, I still put them into the less proven category.

Nestor Aparicio  12:28

By the way, Sam darnold Was that last year and Matt Stafford was that eight years ago, right?

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Luke Jones  12:33

Well, I mean Sam darnold, no, I mean Matthew Stafford, at least it had regular season success. I mean, Sam darnold had never even had regular season success. So point is, every year is different, but when you’re trying to size it up, when you’re trying to handicap it right now, when you’re already seeing the early odds for 2026 generally speaking, yes, you’ll see Seattle there because of what they just accomplished, and understandably so. But generally speaking, you’re still seeing buffalo there. You’re still seeing the Ravens there right teams that have franchise quarterbacks, Kansas City is lower right now, and I think that’s solely because of mahomes is uncertain status going into the beginning of the season. So but, but, yeah, all things being equal, if you’re going to ask me to kind of size it up, I’m still going to side with the teams that have a franchise quarterback and more balanced rosters. I mean, that that’s just the reality and and that’s where I’d still as much as, I think highly of Joe burrow, until Cincinnati fixes that defense to any meaningful degree. And you know, looking at it now, they’re probably not going to have Trey Hendrickson, right? I mean, I’m still going to put them lower on the list, not not because of borough, but because of what’s not around him. So, you know, I mean, it’s the AFC is going to be very interesting, and that’s why, if you’re a Ravens fan, you kind of bring this full circle to the idea that, okay, the offseason is now officially upon us. The ravens are still filling out their coaching staff. It’s mostly done, even if not official, I would expect we’re going to see it made official here in the coming days, because we’re only about two weeks out from the combine, believe it or not. I mean, that’s just where we are. It speaks to how quickly this goes, and you don’t want to go. I mean, it’d be interesting this year, I guess, just to hear Jesse, Jesse mentor, but, but, but, I think when you look at it for Seattle, for example, and I know Mike McDonald was even reminded that the Combine was in two weeks, and he kind of just rolled his eyes, in a way, like, Oh my gosh. Like, we just finished. We just finished yet, I’ve got to replace my offensive coordinator, and we’ve got to get ready for the combine. That right there speaks to the challenge of repeating the challenge of getting back to the top of the mountain and defending that territory because of how long that offseason is. One you know, one of the narratives you heard about Kansas City this past year. Even heard it last year when by the. Time they got to the Super Bowl, people opined that Kansas City’s played deep into January and into February all these recent years, at some point in time that catches up with you. So I don’t I think there’s something to that. I don’t want to say that that’s just like a you know, that that covers everything, because I think Kansas City had some real roster flaws, too, this past year, even before the mahomes injury. But it does speak to how challenging it is to repeat and to sustain that level of success, because you play until the first Sunday in February, or in next year’s case, it’ll be the second Sunday in February Super Bowl is on Valentine’s Day next year, which will spark some interesting discussion at the Super Bowl party that I had, but, but, but at the same time, you look at that quick turnaround for combine, then free agency right after that, then the draft a month after that, for these teams that make it that far, it’s set up to fall the next year because of the cap, because of the offseason schedule being as busy as it is, because of playing a first place schedule, because everyone is gunning for you, right? So that’s where you know, as much as we kind of, you know people don’t like dynasties, that that’s where you can have some appreciation for it, because it is very, very difficult to try to sustain that. So you know how many teams win a Super Bowl and then you know they’re they’re waiting a long time to even get back to one. I mean, the Ravens fit that category, certainly 13 years after their their heroics in New Orleans. But it’s tough to do. I mean, it really is, but that said, again, props to Mike McDonald what he was able to do in his second year. And if you’re a Ravens fan, looking at Jesse Minter and this new coaching staff, you’re hoping for something similar, right? That the Ravens can get to the top of the mountain either this year or at some point here in the next couple years, under a new head coach,

Nestor Aparicio  16:58

Luke Jones is here. It is all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery, we had a cup of soup or Bowl last week, we did 32 still unburying from 32 conversations last week. They’re all up in Baltimore positive right now, as well as that in our audio vault, you can check all that out. We do have a new sponsor in foreign and Dermer. They’re the comfort guys. I keep my H back together. They took care of my HVAC recently, and can take care of yours as well. We’ll be telling you more about them. And Luke, I gotta transition this because you mentioned Jesse Minter and Jesse Minter, you got me looking up flights to Indianapolis, and Lord knows, I’d rather go to Sarasota weather permitting. But Mike McDonald won the Super Bowl dude, and he was a guy you were in front of. I was rarely in front of, but you were in front of a lot you. And I had a really nice, spirited conversation with him two years ago, right when he took the job down in Orlando, the same night that Steve bishady and Eric dicostal ran from me. And he clearly liked you, and I know you like him. I didn’t know him, but I liked what I knew of him. I liked the fact that he liked you. I liked the fact that he seemed like an honorable dude and seemed like a decent dude. He didn’t have guard up on me or anything, and was easy to talk to. Winds up married a cheerleader who was a Ravens cheerleader, Redskins, cheerleader, Titans, cheerleader, they had a baby. I saw that in the aftermath. I, to be honest, I hadn’t thought much about him or him departing, other than when Ravens fans make a big deal about it. And then there’s some sour grapes today, especially with our ball being shown the door anyway. Um, Mike McDonald as the next genius. What do you what do you make of that? And also, pretty much of the ravens are trying to do here, right? They brought a defensive coach in to say, if we could get the defense better, we can make some more mistakes on offense, or punt a little bit more on offense, or not. Have to be so aggressive the way John was, or the way they Lamar was when he was 22 or 23 because they’re gonna have to live with Lamar, right? Lamar is the guy for three or four years here. Like not having him run around, not having those fourth and what? Like all the things that it didn’t feel like Seattle did with a much lesser quarterback, but also the genius of Mike McDonald and the tree of the hardball group, yeah.

Luke Jones  19:20

I mean, that was one of the points that I kept making with you as we were kind of debating, you know, is Jesse Minter just a hardball duplicate. And I, you know, one of the points, in contrast to that, is, well, how do you view Mike McDonald then he worked, he worked for both hardballs For a long time, right? It’s worked out well for him in Seattle. So, I mean, I think as much as, yeah, there is that obvious, horrible connection. I said it, and many people said it at the time of mentors hiring, this felt more like an attempt at a mulligan, at the fact that Mike McDonald got away and look, I’ll continue to say this. I mean, the Ravens had gone 13 and four they were in the. AFC title game. They were hosting the AFC title game. They are owned by the pago’s. I mean, it just came down to, like Steve a shot. He was not going to fire John Harbaugh there. And I don’t know if there was anything they could have done. I think Mike McDonald would have stayed with them, making it the highest paid coordinator in football. They probably would have

Nestor Aparicio  20:21

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done it right. Seattle. Job wasn’t attractive. If only chance he had was the Raiders, maybe he would have taken that.

Luke Jones  20:27

And that’s the other thing too. I mean, you look at you look at Schneider, and what he’s done there now in different eras with different head coaches. I mean, give him his flowers, right? I mean, he’s a guy that should be as highly regarded as any general manager in football at this point in time, including Eric da Costa, and

Nestor Aparicio  20:44

he’s a Hall of Fame general, right? I mean, at this one three times, quite frankly, if not for that, run the ball at the goal line, right? But, I mean, he doesn’t have roots back to oh six. He came after that. He came with Carol, right? Who built the oh six team? Yeah.

Luke Jones  21:00

Well, wait a second, that might have just been Holmgren, right? Because Didn’t he have complete control at that point in time? I believe, yeah.

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Nestor Aparicio  21:08

So, I mean, he took over a good program and kept it going in the way that Eric would be perceived with Ozzy, but not in the same tree, right?

Luke Jones  21:16

Yeah, I believe. So John. I’ll

Nestor Aparicio  21:19

give the Patriots flowers too, if they were to win again with this, this, you know, this iteration of things, because one of the impressive things about the Steelers is they won over three coaches, right? One of the impressive things about the Ravens is they’ve won over two coaches, damn near one again with hardball, getting to a championship game a couple years ago. So yeah, the Eagles have won twice with two completely different administrations at this point. So, you know, there’s something to be said for that. For me, sure, sure.

Luke Jones  21:49

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I mean, well and again, that that goes to ownership, that goes to an organizational vision, it goes to a culture for a team, and look, that’s going to change, and it doesn’t mean every year is going to go perfect and all of that. I mean, that’s why I said over and over, as much as Yes, I thought it was time for John Harbaugh and the ravens to go in different directions. That’s why I didn’t balk at the idea of Jesse Minter, because I didn’t think it was a case where their entire football culture was broken beyond repair and you had to completely start from scratch. And No, for me, it felt like you need a reset and a refresh and that. And that’s what it was more so than getting someone that was entirely different, right, someone who had no connections whatsoever to the organization, which, by the way, sometimes that is warranted when you have organizations that have been bad for a really long time. So, you know, looking at it through that lens, I mean, it’s that’s where it’s going to be fascinating. To see where Jesse Minter makes his mark. One thing that I would say, and it’s funny because you brought up having the conversation, you know, and not, not going to disclose too much of that, but I remember one thing that Mike McDonald said in the in the weeks after he became the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, one of the first things that resonated with him that he wasn’t aware of because John Harbaugh, at that point, had long since had that taken out of his contract, was the idea that he had to do a weekly radio show as the head coach, and not so much that he complained about having to do that. It was more a surprise. It was something that he said, I wasn’t aware I’d have to do something like that, and that speaks to just the general adjustment that you make from going to defensive czar, head coach or defensive head coach, defensive coordinator, where you’re just in charge of one side of the ball, you’re singularly focused on your guys on the defensive side of The ball. But when you become a head coach, that the CEO part very much is there, even if you continue to call the defense, you’re still going to have so many more responsibilities. And I think that’s the challenge for Jesse Minter, that’ll be the challenge for anyone who’s a first time Head Coach, when whether you’re an offensive mind or a defensive mind, that’s not the gig moving forward that Yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  24:04

So Mike McCarthy took the gig in Pittsburgh, and I, you can totally correct me and say, I’m out of my mind. Okay, I’ve been doing this a long time, 31 years. I’ve been in the league, around the league, he is a Chief of Staff. Now, I don’t know, like, from a title standpoint, yeah, that like that matters, or who it might have been. I mean, har ball secretary was, at various points, some of the people that were creepy in Michigan, quite frankly, with his brother in the whole chain of Minter and McCart McDonald, right? But a chief of staff, I thought that that was like grown up of him. In regard to I’ve done this couple times. I’ve done it for jerra. I’ve done it for a board out in Green Bay, where it’s three below, and it looks like it’s looked here the last two weeks, like the frozen tundra. And I’m going to Pittsburgh, and I’m God. I’m God. Jerry’s not here anymore. You know, like I get to be God in Pittsburgh. How am I going to do it? That’s a fascinating thing to think he could rebuild that, because I’ll go back to what Marvin told me late in his career, he’s smarter than a lot of the rest of them. And I think Peyton played that out a little bit. I think for Abel is playing that out from a second standpoint around the Jesse Minter, unless he’s a genius, is going to make mistakes, and Mike McDonald made mistakes the last two years that all get washed away when he takes the trophy back for the parade this week. But we’ll be watching mistakes that are made and things that happen. I think it’s fascinating to think that the Ravens could have hired someone with and by the way, my guy, Schwartz, walked away from Cleveland right to say, I’m not doing it like could have hired someone that would know more about how all the donuts are made than somebody like Jesse mentor that’s figuring it out as he goes along.

Luke Jones  25:55

I hear you at the same time. Mike Vrabel kicked an extra point when he should have gone for two. Sean Payton should have kicked the field goal in the AFC Championship game. I mean, experience, longtime head coaches make the same kind of mistakes. I hear you, and let me be clear, I’m not. I don’t want to be too dismissive of your point, because there’s, there’s something to be said for experience. There’s no question about that. But I reject the idea that experienced head coaches don’t make mistakes too because I see them make mistakes all the time. And I just, you know, I just cited up a guy who, Sean Payton, who, you know, bounty gate aside, has kind of a Hall of Fame like profile, or is on his way to potentially having that kind of profile, and they still make mistakes so, But your point is well taken. And you know, to go back to the point I was making about Mike McDonald. You know, whether you’re talking about having to a weekly coaches show or just the idea of commanding a room. I mean, I know one thing that was spoken about with Mike McDonald probably a year before he became the head coach in Seattle, when he was still with the ravens, but he was already starting to get some talk as far as a future head coach, I think the question was given his given his demeanor as he, at least, was perceived to be a quieter guy, there’s always the question of, can you command a room in the way that a head coach is going to command a room? I think he certainly answered that question, because you saw how that team responded to him in not just, not just this year, but, I mean, they were 10 and seven last year, coming off of a not so great year, and, you know, they narrowly missed the playoffs. Jesse mentors kind of in the same category right now. I mean, I think a few years back, I mean, and Eric da Costa even talked about this at his press conference. I mean, years ago, going back to when he was in Baltimore. One of the more refreshingly honest moments from that introductory press conference was Eric admitting that he never really thought of Jesse Minter when he worked with him, albeit not worked with him extensively back in 1718, 1920, and at that point, Jesse was lower on the totem pole, and was doing pre draft evaluations of defensive backs in the draft and all that, the right last name, though, which Eric didn’t have, right he did, but, but the point that Kubiak had, there was guys have the right last name, but, but there was no Eric flat out, said like he never won any point. Thought, oh, man, that guy, that guy’s gonna be a future head coach in the NFL, like he flat out admitted he didn’t think of him in that way. And I thought that was, you know, that was refreshingly honest to hear. Because, you know, you hear these stories. And look,

Nestor Aparicio  28:34

I sat in a room with Jim Schwartz for two years breaking down film, and it never occurred to me that he was going to coach. You know what I mean, like, it is, it’s funny how you know when you you don’t perceive it that way, you don’t perceive it that way, right? Sure.

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Luke Jones  28:48

And that’s where you kind of look at it through the lens of not really caring that much about the opening press conference. Like, I don’t know how, how many coaches over the years won the press conference, and then you don’t remember it because they end up being a very forgettable head coach and then. But we also have examples of individuals who Dan Campbell, right, Nick Sirianni, first impression in their opening press conference was not very good, and yet we’re talking about in the case of siriannis won a Super Bowl, right? And Dan Campbell’s case has had more success than most have had in Detroit over the years. So you never really know, but I think it’s always a reminder that the job is different, and just because someone handles an OC or a DC job a certain way doesn’t mean that that’s exactly what you’re going to get from them. As a head coach, you and I have talked about it a lot with Jesse Minter. He’s going to call defensive plays right now. Is that going to be the case two years from now? Is that going to be the case three or four years from now? Who knows? Right? I mean, at some point. I mean, there’s a lot of talk right now, and I don’t know if I’ve heard a definitive resolution, so I apologize if it’s out there, but the Broncos, they promoted Davis Webb to offensive coordinator, there’s been some talk of whether Sean Payton’s. To relinquish play calling duties to him, and that might have been the carrot that got Davis Webb to stay. Because Davis Webb was someone that was a lot of teams like the Ravens were interested in him, you know, either in a an OC or a head coach capacity, even, so, you know, so. But you never really know, right? I mean, I always I use Ray Miller, you know, the late Ray Miller, as a great example of someone who was a tremendous Hall of Fame pitching coach. Did it ever work for him as a manager, really? And look, I mean, there are always variables at work. There your players, the makeup of your players, the makeup of your coaching staff, ownership. So many of

Nestor Aparicio  30:42

these days we lost Ray Handley the other day. I think a bud Carson. I think of Richie Pettibon. I mean, I go through the list of people that were, you know, good lieutenants, not the greatest captains, right? Yeah. And then Josh McDaniels almost won another Super Bowl. I mean, Josh, Josh

Luke Jones  30:59

McDaniels is a Hall of Fame offensive coordinator. When you look at the success he’s had Now granted, Tom Brady makes a lot, made a lot of people look smart over the course of their career. But the point is, it is a different job then on the flip side, you had the Ravens who tried to hire Jason Garrett. Once upon a time, he balked, his wife balked, and they pivoted to the special teams coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, that worked out pretty well, regardless of how anyone feels about John, horrible in the present. As far as fans being excited,

Nestor Aparicio  31:28

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I got a letter coming to him. I’ve been I’ve been too sick and busy to but I got a three quarters of a letter for John. I’m not the forward to doing, but the overall Valentine’s Day.

Luke Jones  31:37

But the overall point with that is that worked out way better than anyone would have fathomed at that point, at that moment in time. So you never really know. So that’s where you look at this thing, and you say, Yeah, I have questions about Jesse Minter that aren’t any different than I would have that I would have about any first year head coach. Because to go back to your point about the experience thing, yes, there’s going to be a lot of new for him to navigate. Declan Doyle, the offensive coordinator, there’s going to be a lot of new for him to navigate. So normally, with most teams that are hiring a head coach, that doesn’t really matter a whole lot, because the expectations aren’t going to be very high in year one, as long as you don’t go two and 15, generally, that’s not going to matter if you have some hiccups or some moments where inexperience bleeds through. That said, in the case of the ravens, in the case of the bills, to a lesser degree, because I just don’t think they’re a roster and they’re in the same place the Steelers, to a lesser extent. But still applies. They were a playoff team this year, but these teams, the expectations are higher, especially for the ravens and the bills, where they have a franchise quarterback, but they’re both coming up on age 30 and not getting any younger, looking at it through the lens of trying to make the most of their prime years. And Michael

Nestor Aparicio  32:58

Florida don’t have to win 10 games now, exactly,

Luke Jones  33:00

whereas Joe Brady and Jesse Minter man 1010, wins kind of feels like, yeah, if you do, if you do less than that, that doesn’t mean you’re going to get fired, but people are going to be really, really disappointed in you. So that’s not easy for first time head coach. I mean, there’s and that’s not to say that they won’t succeed. Let me be clear. I’m not. This isn’t me being down on Jesse Minter. It’s just recognizing the reality of when you are doing it for the first time, there is, you know, there is some, some waters to navigate that you’re just not used to. And that’s where I think it’s even more pronounced when you are going to call plays. And that’s why I’ve said that. Ideally, I look at what Mike McDonald did in Seattle, and he brought Leslie Frazier on that staff, and I think that’s something that would be very helpful and and I get it. I mean, the Ravens have added some experienced guys to the mix. I mean, you know, they, they are hiring Joe Lombardi as a senior offensive assistant, for example, they have some others on the staff that have some experience that will help. But you know, Rick Minter being one of them. You know, he a consultant for Jesse, but that’s where I look at it, and say, Man, you’d really like, in an ideal world, to have someone on staff who’s been an NFL head coach at some point in time, just to know, even if it was someone who failed miserably. I mean, think about hardball. He had cam Cameron on his staff. Cam Cameron had literally been the head coach of the dolphins the year before. It was a disaster, but I guarantee you, along the way that cam warned John not the cam Cameron was the head coach in the NFL. I mean, literally the year before, yeah, but, but, but the idea was, Cam Cameron, I’m sure, at a couple different points in those first couple years probably alerted John of Hey, watch out for this. Like, we also had Spagnola for a minute. He had guys in there that were all a part of that, right? Caldwell, I just, I think it’s nice to have a little bit of that you don’t need, like, you don’t need six former head coaches on your staff, but I think it is nice to have a couple, one or two guys that kind of. Bit that mold to your point. You made the point about the Chief of Staff for for McCarthy. And I think that’s probably semantics. I think, you know, some people nekia, by the way, yeah, but, but some people would call that an assistant head coach. Some people call, you know, some kind of quality control, senior offense, you know, senior investor, football operator, yeah. I mean, there’s lot, there are lots of different titles. I mean, it is funny to kind of hear all the different titles that are thrown out there now that you have

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Nestor Aparicio  35:24

staff, kind of means to me, in a political sense, somebody that takes all the Cabinet members and brings them together, which is really an interesting title. That’s all and I’m like, dude, you’ve known a lot of people in life. There’s, there’s nobody who takes titles less seriously than me, but, but I think that that’s an interesting way of putting it, sure, because if Jesse Minter had a chief of staff who was Jim Schwartz, who or who was, name any of the coaches that are at name any of these Adam case I saw signed up to go with harbors brother, right? So I don’t know who that would be, some Vic Fangio type, literally, who’s a pretty good defense coordinator right now. But just, yeah, I’ll hear any of that. Luke Jones is here. He’s Baltimore. Luke I before we fly off to Sarasota here, or don’t fly off to Indianapolis, just a quick primer, just for everybody, just tuning in, what’s next, where Lamar, Lamar, Lamar, for me, for me. Forget the draft and the combine. That’s all bull shot. That doesn’t happen till the end of April. What’s going to happen between now and what is it? March? 11, 12th, 13th. When’s our free agent date? Yeah.

Luke Jones  36:39

I mean, they have about a month. I mean, when you look at the start of free agency and wanting to get your ducks in line in terms of the cap and all of that, I mean, the NFL, it’s March 11. But we know it’s really what March 9, and really it’s before the tampering period. Yeah. I mean, march 11 is, I know you wouldn’t want to be down in Sarasota during the tampering period. Yeah. I mean, but we also, but we also know the tampering period really begins during the combine.

Nestor Aparicio  37:05

So let me ask you this, the 11th of March comes along, which is blink. It’s a short month. It’s February, right? We’re not in a leap year. Are we? No, I don’t think we are, even though there is Olympics, and I’ve lost my wife for like, a month. She just, like, just really into the Olympics. By the way, if anybody knows my girl, britcher, summer britcher, who lives apparently, I thought all you people in the farm knew each other. I told my wife, I’m like, how can he not know summer butcher, younger than me too, but that’s all right. Y’all know each other. Your brother, older brother, sister, pub, mama, papa. Sister, you got younger. You got siblings that may go to scooter. So nonetheless, somebody at the bake sale up there, I don’t know. It’s Pennsylvania, it’s PA. What do I know about it? Beside you, a month from now, we’re gonna get together March 11. I’m just literally asking this not to be the jerk that I am, but like, literally, are we going to be drama free? I don’t, and I don’t mean like, this is where, like, Justin Tucker was alligated and all of this. And look, John Harbaugh’s boss is a pedophile, so, like, he’s got his own issues going on, taking over up there, as to why the mirrors were around, but the tissues weren’t. And I don’t think anybody’s getting arrested here or whatever, but are they going to be a drama free organization? What that would mean for me is they get Lamar done tomorrow or like that, and it’s a nice Valentine, and they get to come back to you and tell you all of that, and when they get to the combine in two weeks, di Costa doesn’t look he’s constipated the way he’s looked the way he’s looked the last three or four times he’s been in front of us that there’s detente, there’s peace. The new coach is on, and they could get on the football business March 11 and sign the guys that in the market that they’re going to need to sign, knowing they’re already going to have drama with Linder Linder, but, I mean, they have real drama already, sure. In Do we have enough money or not? But by March 11, are you and I have going to have five morning fires here? About Lamar? Would be five fires alone? If Lamar were to say, I want to play for the Raiders, they’ll pay me more. I want to go play for the dolphins. Because, like, I don’t know. I have no idea. I hope that’s not the case. Everybody’s assuming it’s not the case. People like Mike Florio brought up like this, you know, Billick would always say, I’m sure he said it on the Ryan Ripken show last week. It’s a time for pay and a time for play. This is the time for pay. And I don’t know what that means for the organization with new everything, but I would like to think that they could, this could be peace time with Lamar and with everything else that they want to say, flowers, whatever they want to get done, that they could start getting that done peacefully and not be at war with their quarterback over another 100 million dollars. Yeah.

Luke Jones  39:54

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I mean, you’d certainly like to be. I mean, one thing that I’ve talked about, and other people have talked about, the difference here compared to where they were three. Years ago is you already have a contract and a structure in place. It’s always easier to extend and add on to a pre existing deal than starting from scratch, right? And when you have nothing in place, and that’s when your quarterback is looking at the time, what Deshaun Watson got from Cleveland and you know the fully guarantee, like all of that, right? Whereas you did a deal three years ago as as as Rocky as it was getting to that point, you got to that point, Lamar was the highest paid quarterback in football at that point in time. There’s, you know, Steve bashati has already said, like indicated, they know that they’re gonna have to make Lamar the highest paid quarterback in football game, because it’s his turn, right? In the same way that when it’s Alan’s turn, when it’s Joe burrows turn, when it’s my home’s turn, like, go down the list, whoever’s next in line, it’s their turn to be the highest paid for the next three months, or whatever it ends up being. So it helps from that standpoint. It helps from the standpoint of, you know, the indications are that whether, even if Lamar wasn’t there physically, it does sound like he was involved in talking and communicating with them during the hiring process for Jesse Minter, during the Declan Doyle hiring process. You know that there was input there. So it’s not as though Lamar has gone dark, so to speak, in that way. So you’d hope that said I also lived what happened a few years back. So for me to just sit here and be flippant about it and say, Oh, they’re gonna get something done, no problem. No, they’ll hammer it out by Thursday, right? I mean, they’ve got a month, they’ve got a month to get this done. Now, if both sides are motivated. And Steve bashati flat out said, Look, we’d like to do this. We feel that the structure that’s in place now, we adjust it to adjust lamar’s salary accordingly, to make him the highest paid, because he’s down to, like, what 10th right now, or whatever it is that we’re ready to do that. You know we can do.

Nestor Aparicio  42:00

He’s an interesting cat. And I don’t want to get too far backwards into radio row last week in San Francisco, and who was there, and who’s pimping, and who’s on TV and who’s getting a gig and who’s in a commercial, or who’s in a dozen commercials, or, you know, the Kelsey family making all their money. You know, good job, Emily Lamar only makes his money. This way, right? I mean, maybe a Gatorade commercial here and again or whatever. But this is lamar’s chance to get money, whatever money is, because he doesn’t get money any other way, like other people. Tom Brady’s into everything at this point. So you know, when it comes to negotiating money, this is his time, too, for whatever that is to get, whatever the maximum, maximum, maximum he can get. And that’s kind of the weird part for me, that if somebody else coveted him, this is their time to put a buzz in an ear, that if he’s going to disappear or be a hard ass one way or another, or not, negotiate something that is cookie cutter, the way Steve bishati would make it to be cookie cutter, and tell you how he’d like to have it done. Lamar has never done it the way Steve bashati wants to have it done, you know. So that’s why I’m only asking about this over the last month. And I know you’ve got night sweats and you know about the way it went last time. I would think they probably do too, until it’s done, as a fan, as a media guy, as an observer here, as a guy who knows about people that fight for money. You know, this is his month to go make money.

Luke Jones  43:30

Well, I mean, until it’s done, until you have an agreement in place, you don’t right, and there’s, there is the reality. And Florio has mentioned this a lot, as he’s kind of been the, you know, the proverbial figurehead in terms of talking about trades or scenarios that of that nature. I mean, the reality is, if Lamar doesn’t like how negotiations are going, he can just flat out say, look, I’ve got two years left on my deal, and if you guys aren’t going to give me what I want. I’ll play out the last two years, and I’ll become a free agent, because you can’t tag me, you know, right? I mean, all those provisions were in

Nestor Aparicio  44:07

place, but that also doesn’t get him fresh money, though it doesn’t at the

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Luke Jones  44:11

same time, he’s still, you know, his salary is still over $50 million for this year, so it’s not as though he’s making nothing, either, so, but, that’s, that’s the the other side of this. But if you’re the ravens, their their play is, if Lamar is hypothetically, and I’m not saying that he’s doing this, let’s say, just for argument’s sake, that Lamar went back to the 2022 early 23 playbook of winning a fully guaranteed deal like Deshaun Watson. If you’re the ravens, you’re looking at it and saying, Well, Lamar, we can take your 50 plus million dollar salary for 2026 and we can take 30 million of that, or whatever the number would be. You know, I’d have to figure it out, because you’d have to add void years all that that you can do. A simpler restructure. You can lower his cap number for this season. You know, you’re not going to lower it down to $15 million or anything crazy, like two left on the deal. There’s two years left on the deal, right, next year, right? So, but you can lower that and then kick the can down the road to next off season. And then, if you’re the ravens, you evaluate, does Lamar stay healthy this year?

Nestor Aparicio  45:21

So what does he want? Then? What? What? What would he want? Would he want $50 million of now money and then two years added at the end of the deal, at 72 million you like, I’m trying to figure out what his play in this is. What’s going to make him if he wants to be here, what’s going to make him happy and feel whole and current?

Luke Jones  45:44

I mean, I mean, obviously, you kind of look at these, the current deals. I mean, right now, Dak Prescott is making his average annual value is tops in the league at 60 million. So to me, you’re, you’re looking at it on a simplistic level, his average annual value, 61 $62 million per year, obviously. What’s the fully guaranteed number? What’s the total gain? I think Dak Prescott was at 231 for his total guarantee, fully guaranteed. It was like 130 something like that. So there, there are different, different players have different preferences in that way. I mean, I know one thing that Eric to Costa contracts have looked good from a player’s perspective is what’s the payout over the first couple years of the deal? Like Mark Andrews when he did his last deal, one of the things that looked really good relative to other tight ends in the league was how much money Andrews took took away in the first two years of that deal. That was really high, you know? And that’s something that a player likes. Because, generally speaking, even if you’re a great player, it’s only the first couple years of that deal that are truly, truly guaranteed. So you want to get your biggest cash payout over that period of time. So without knowing that, it’s tough for me to, you know, I can’t read lamar’s mind in terms of what he’s looking for, because you go back to what he originally was looking for, he was talking about the Watson deal, right? I mean, that, you know, whether he publicly said that or not. So you know, budget

Nestor Aparicio  47:07

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trade into the raiders for Mendoza. No,

Luke Jones  47:09

all right, no, yeah. I mean, I look and look, I I think for man

Nestor Aparicio  47:15

dollars a cap room, maybe mentor says, Give me three players and we’ll go do what McDonald didn’t take a quarterback. I don’t know. I’m making that up. I just, I don’t know what the Ravens Trump word. I don’t know. I don’t know what their alternatives

Luke Jones  47:29

would be. I mean, you know, I mean, like I said, the alternative is you just kick the can down the road and you say, Look, if Lamar has another injury plagued year this coming year, then we might be having a different conversation. One, in terms of the money, you know, because that if he has another injury plagued year, you’re starting to question the value a little bit more. And two, whether you’re going to continue your partnership long term, right? I mean, so. And look, I’m not saying that that would be my first choice, but if, from the Raven side, how they if Lamar isn’t being reasonable, from their perspective, there are worse outcomes than just kicking the can down the road, I suppose, but I think ideally, and this goes back to what I said, it’s always easier to do an extension when you’ve got a structure in place already and you’ve got a couple years on that, right? He’s not a pending free agent. This isn’t a clean slate like it was three years ago, where you’re trying to create a deal out of nothing, right? So, so I think from that standpoint, you’re hoping that it goes more smoothly.

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Nestor Aparicio  48:33

So a lot of tickets for the Raiders. You know, you got me thinking silly now, but I’m just, you know, because the Raiders are crazy enough to do that deal. The Ravens aren’t. But the Ravens could sell it to me. The Ravens could sell it to me with a new coach in a new thing, that they’ve got the best quarterback coming out of the draft, the Ravens could sell that to me. They could sell me Kirk Cousins. They can’t. They’re going to sell Malik Willis or something like that in Pittsburgh. I get I get it. But don’t look at me like I’m crazy, because it’s just, just remember, I said on February 10 that they can’t find day pub, you know, I

Luke Jones  49:09

just, I like Fernando Mendoza, I don’t think he’s going to be a top five quarterback in the National Football League. I think, I think he’s going to be, I think he’s going to be a starting quarterback in the league, like in the way that you perceive, like what Sam darnold just did, not Sam darnold The last few years, but what Sam darnold

Nestor Aparicio  49:27

did this year two is, you know, when his head was right and wasn’t hurt, he was making strides as a quarterback Justin Herbert, you’ve already peed upon in this segment.

Luke Jones  49:37

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I mean, I think, I think Justin Herbert’s really talented, but what has he done? I mean, he, you know, as if we’re going to talk about lamar’s performance in the playoffs. I mean, Justin Herbert’s

Nestor Aparicio  49:46

been Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson just got their coaches fired. So, I mean, when, not directly, but their teams did, sure, yeah, you know. So there it is. Hey, you know, we, we talk a lot, and anything else you got, I mean, I’m just. Doing sugar plums. I want to talk.

Luke Jones  50:01

No, I mean, I think, I mean, we kind of covered it. Look Linder bomb is going to whether Lamar is extended or not Linder bomb, that’s going to be tricky, because I think he’s going to be in high demand. So that’s a tough one. But this all begins with getting this worked out with number eight. You don’t want this to linger into, into March, into the start of free agency, because then you’re in a position. And it’s not that they don’t have any cap space. They have some cap space, and the caps going up to what 300 million, or somewhere in that neighborhood. So it’s not as though they won’t but keep in mind, you can talk about it a higher cap. It’s more cap space for everyone else, too. So it’s very relative. When you look at it in terms of how teams are going to spend. I just think this offseason becomes much more opportunistic. If you can get something done with Lamar that pacifies him, that pacifies the organization, you are now in a position where he’s locked up for the next three or four years without any drama, and you can just get back to, hey, let’s build the best possible roster we can. Let’s go. Let’s go take a swing at an edge rusher. Let’s go take a swing at a starting guard that that we desperately need. You know, like that. That’s what Eric That’s how Eric to Costa can think about it. In the alternative is, if you only, if you can’t get something done and you have to do a simpler restructure, you’re kicking the can down the road. You’re wondering what that means in terms of lamar’s level of happiness, you know, in terms of what the spring is going to look like in a year where OTAs are way more important with the brand new coaching staff and all that you don’t want to deal with that. You know, you want to get this done. You want to get this

Nestor Aparicio  51:44

done 30 days for detente. I’m just hoping that, because the things that are problems are going to be problems, they’re going to draft money’s a problem for years like they got they just don’t need the quarterback to be a problem. No question. 1,000% Fair enough. Fair enough. All right, we’re two weeks out on the combine, a month out on free agency. Football season’s over. Foreign Dormer, our new sponsors, they are the comfort guys. I’ll be telling you more about that, HVAC, plumbing and worried about air conditioning right now, but we’ll be worried about that come April or May as well. He is Luke. I am Nestor. We are W NST am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. Hope you’re enjoying our cup of soup or bowl all week long. Community charity. Help these people out. Man, we’re trying to lift the city. We’re Baltimore positive. Stay with us. You.