Getting a Frosh look at the clear and present danger to our democracy

As the Trump Revenge Tour takes hold and The Constitution of the United States of America is under attack and laws are being broken every day – including the destruction of the East Wing of The White House – we reached to former Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh for a primer on the Emoluments Clause and the dangers ahead for our democracy without checks and balances in government.

Nestor Aparicio and former Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh discuss the state of American democracy, expressing concern over the actions of former President Trump and his associates. Frosh describes Trump’s behavior as a “revenge tour,” driven by cognitive and mental illnesses, and compares him to autocratic leaders like Putin and Orban. They discuss the potential for voter intimidation and gerrymandering in upcoming elections. Frosh also highlights Trump’s violations of the Emoluments Clause and the dangers of Trump’s influence on the Justice Department. The conversation touches on the Epstein scandal, climate change, and the proliferation of guns in the U.S.

Action Items

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Continue to raise public awareness about the threats to democracy and the need for civic engagement.
• [ ] Closely monitor and document any further attempts by the Trump administration to undermine democratic processes or abuse executive power.
• [ ] Explore legal avenues to challenge the administration’s actions, including potential Emoluments Clause violations and the use of federal agents against citizens.
• [ ] Advocate for strengthening democratic institutions and the rule of law to prevent future abuses of power.

Outline

Maryland Crab Cake Tour and Upcoming Events

• Nestor Aparicio introduces the show, mentioning the Maryland Crab Cake Tour presented by the Maryland lottery.
• He talks about recent events, including a visit to Costa centimonium and upcoming events at the State Fair in Catonsville and Coco’s.
• Nestor mentions his excitement about having Brian Frosh on the show, noting that it has been a long time coming.
• He reflects on the changing topics of discussion over the past few months, from Epstein to the White House walls.

The Fall of Democracy and Trump’s Actions

• Nestor asks Brian Frosh about his thoughts on the current state of democracy and the actions of former President Trump.
• Brian Frosh expresses his concern about the attempted murder of democracy, describing Trump’s actions as a revenge tour.
• He mentions Trump’s cognitive and mental illnesses and his desire to act like an autocrat, comparing him to leaders like Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orban.
• Brian describes the chaos and violence associated with Trump’s actions, including the beating of protesters and the tearing down of the White House.

Trust in Legal Institutions and the Justice Department

• Nestor discusses his lack of trust in the Justice Department and the FBI, given the actions of figures like Chad Patel.
• Brian Frosh agrees, noting the difficulty in determining whether actions from the Justice Department are legitimate or part of Trump’s revenge tour.
• He provides an example of Attorney General Tish James being targeted by Trump and the Justice Department.
• Brian suggests that Tish James should demand all correspondence related to her case to understand the full extent of Trump’s actions.

Trump’s Mental State and Legal Concerns

• Nestor and Brian discuss Trump’s mental state, with Nestor describing him as demented and unstable.
• Brian compares Trump’s behavior to that of a child with serious behavioral and mental issues.
• Nestor expresses concern about the potential for a tribunal to address Trump’s actions and the involvement of his associates.
• Brian warns about the potential for Trump and his allies to steal the midterms through aggressive gerrymandering and voter intimidation.

AI-Generated Legal Concerns for Trump

• Nestor introduces a segment where he asked AI about the most significant United States laws that Donald Trump is presently breaking.
• The AI identified three main categories: presidential immunity and executive power, rule of law and institutional integrity, and potential conflicts of interest.
• Brian Frosh discusses the Emoluments Clause and Trump’s violations, including his request for $230 million from the Justice Department.
• He criticizes the Supreme Court for its pro-Trump bias and its interpretation of presidential immunity.

Epstein Files and Trump’s Involvement

• Nestor and Brian discuss the Epstein files and Trump’s close relationship with Epstein.
• Brian mentions the trafficking of young women by Epstein and the smoking gun evidence of Trump’s involvement.
• Nestor highlights the impact of Ghislaine Maxwell’s sentence and the influence of Trump’s lawyer on the case.
• Brian criticizes Trump’s use of legal actions to extort money from media companies and other entities.

Gun Violence and Climate Change

• Nestor expresses concern about the glorification of violence in society, including UFC fights and the destruction of the White House.
• Brian Frosh discusses the role of the Supreme Court and Congress in enabling gun violence through legislation.
• Nestor and Brian compare the gun violence in the United States to other countries and discuss the impact of climate change.
• Brian highlights the dangers of climate change, including rising sea levels, increased diseases, and refugee crises.

Final Thoughts and Future Plans

• Nestor and Brian reflect on the importance of staying informed and active in protecting democracy.
• Nestor mentions upcoming events for the Maryland Crab Cake Tour and the importance of community engagement.
• Brian expresses his appreciation for Nestor’s work and the importance of maintaining a balanced and informed perspective.
• They conclude the conversation with a hope for a better future and a commitment to continue their efforts.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Democracy fall, Trump revenge tour, Supreme Court, executive power, rule of law, conflicts of interest, Emoluments Clause, Epstein files, voter intimidation, gerrymandering, climate change, gun violence, propaganda machine, constitutional limits.

SPEAKERS

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Brian Frosh, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home. We are W, N, S T am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. Yes, we’re still on the radio all the time, every day, and we’re still out doing the Maryland crab cake Tour is presented by the Maryland lottery. I have Raven scratch offs to give away. We were at Costa centimonium on Wednesday of this week, talking about all sorts of things, and we’ll be at State Fair in Catonsville for breakfast on Tuesday. And as we get through a lot of football, Lukes and Owings Mills, we’re trying to find a baseball manager get through the World Series. I will also be back at Coco is where I took some carry out the other day. Dan and Laravel will be there on the fifth of November in the afternoon. Then on the seventh, we move back to Essex and pizza John’s, where I am certainly going to have a cheesesteak and some french fries, crinkle cut proper, with gravy. I’m going to dip them in there. I’ve waited to have this guy on for a long time. He came on at the beginning of the fall of democracy, which is about a week after Trump was elected this time last year. We’ve had a lot of fears. He had an illness, and then we I was off the record and on the record and on. Then here we are. And finally, I get together with former Attorney General Brian frosh, from our great state here, of Maryland, the Free State. And you know, this is like, if I get together every week or two, be a different story. Two months ago would have been Epstein. Now it’s the White House walls. By the time people hear this, it could be, I don’t we could be bombing Winnipeg after they boo the national anthem at the World Series or something. How are you holding up as someone who understands like the law and the Supreme Court at a higher level than I? I always think that people smarter than me must really be losing their minds over all of this. Brian, Well,

Brian Frosh  01:37

I certainly don’t fall into that category, Nestor, but I am losing my mind. I mean, I think what you’re watching is the fall of democracy, or at least attempted murder of democracy. Trump, I think, I think he suffers from some cognitive and mental illnesses, and he’s on a revenge tour. I’m not sure he knows where he is on any given day, but he is determined to act like an autocrat, to model Vladimir Putin and Victor Orban and and take control of the electoral process, overturn all kinds of norms. It’s a horrifying thing to watch, watching people getting beat up in the streets, and US citizens getting dragged off to detention by a bunch of thugs. You know, watching him tear down the White House pick a fight with Canada over an ad that he didn’t like. It’s crazy stuff.

Nestor Aparicio  02:47

Um, you know, I don’t even there’s a million directions to go in with this. And I had a little exercise on this, but this was my thought on the revenge tour that you speak of that anyone outspoken a I have an FCC license and have for 27 years, and I’ve seen the things that the FCC this. They’re all goons. All of them are goons. They’re all the work of a criminal act. And when I see cash Patel out in front of a ring looking to bring down the NBA, which I I have, I have no doubt that there could be gambling in the NBA and players and dirty poker games and the mafia could be in on it. But when I see cash Patel in front of it, after seeing all sorts of attorney generals in New York and other places be indicted and Bolton and Comey just down the line, I lose confidence for even something sort of looks legitimate, but it also could be a witch hunt. Yeah.

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Brian Frosh  03:50

I mean, you really, it’s really hard to tell when something comes out of the Justice Department or the FBI, whether it’s legit or whether it’s part of the revenge tour. I just don’t know. I mean, a lot of the stuff that they’re going after people for is, well, I mean, Tish, James, the Attorney General of New York, is a great example. They looked through her record. They tried to find anything they could. You had top people at the Justice Department say no nothing to nothing to see here, no bad conduct, no nothing. Trump gets all upset because she sued him and she won, and so he fires the folks who are in charge, brings in somebody who’ll do whatever he wants, and she does. And you know there are disciplinary actions that course courts can take for bogus lawsuits, and in this situation, I think at the end of the line, you may well find that to be the case. You can’t bring a suit in bad faith. You. And if I were Tish James, I’d be demanding every piece of correspondence that went back and forth from Donald Trump, or every communication Donald Trump to the US attorney to the top folks at justice.

Nestor Aparicio  05:14

Well, it was on Twitter. You’re right. So, I mean, it was, it was a mistake that that that’s how demented the man is. And I don’t, I don’t feel like in a dementia sense of old, tired and not there. I mean demented like demented from the first words I ever heard about five kids in a park in Central Park and and 911 I mean everything he ever said on Howard Stern Show is demented 25 years ago.

Brian Frosh  05:42

If you, if you saw a video of somebody in a plane with oxygen the wrong place on their face, flying a plane and dumping excrement on crowds of people, you would think that 11 year old had some serious behavioral and mental issues, and for it to come from a 79 year old person, I think, as a sign of real sickness.

Nestor Aparicio  06:10

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Well, there have been so many signs of sickness. Brian frosh is our guest, former charger. So, um, before I get to my little game that I played and involves AI, I wanted to do. Do you think he these people are going to have a tribunal? Do you, I mean, do you think that Pee Wee German, and these people that are surrounding him, all of these people that are in on this? I mean, we’ve seen an insurrection, and I have these Trumpers in my life who feel educated to me, who don’t even believe that January 6 happened. Like, I’m I we’re in a different bubble, obviously, the algorithm and all of that. But I keep thinking like really smart people like you that sort of stand on the edge of the law Supreme Court, people that don’t buy into Internet rumors and buy into facts, evidence, science, to things that that we generally bring into the court of law before this guy got involved in politics 10 years ago. Do you think he’ll ever, or any of these people that were ever going to get control of this?

Brian Frosh  07:11

Brian, Nestor, I’m really worried about what happens next. I mean, they’re trying to steal the midterms by doing the redistricting, I think it’s easy to predict that the Trump and his clack are going to put the military. They’re going to put ice, they’re going to put anybody they can at polling places where Democrats show up to vote. They’re going to try to intimidate people, stop them from voting. They’re trying to steal seats in the House of Representatives by doing this aggressive gerrymandering. And you wonder whether democracy can survive something like that. I mean, Trump’s numbers are underwater, but is it is enough to ensure that there are fair elections the next time around and and next time we elect a president. I mean, you know, he said before he was elected that you’re never going to have to do another election like me this time, you’ll never have to worry about an election he did. What does that mean?

Nestor Aparicio  08:22

Yeah, I don’t know what that would mean in a courtroom if it ever would get there. Brian, I so I was preparing for you, and back in the old days, Don Moeller would send me all of these sheets of stuff, because he thought I was like a student of the game in that way and the internet. And in the era AI, it’s the first time I’ve literally ever done this for a segment on the show. But I got ready for you, and I thought there’s so much shit I could talk to you about, right? Like, there’s this, like, I don’t even know where to begin with the notes. I can just go through my Facebook of things that have, I mean, Epstein files, right? Not swearing in people, the lap dog in the lap dogs, many of them, hundreds of them in Congress, just all of that. So I asked AI, and this is getting ready for you, and this is part shtick, but it’s not at all. What are the most significant United States laws that Donald Trump is presently breaking that will concern an astute attorney general or anyone who understands the Supreme Court and the Constitution, and it returned to me, the most significant current legal issues involving Donald Trump that would concern an astute Attorney General fall into the categories relating to the scope of executive power, the rule of law and potential conflicts of interest. So one was presidential immunity and scope of executive power, federalization and deployment of the National Guard. Number two was rule of law and institutional integrity, pursuit of damages from the Justice Department, Federal Tort Claims Act, constitutional limits, 22nd amendment, allegations of retribution and weaponization of executive power. So this is three to six good little paragraphs that AI would just put together and say these are the laws. He’s breaking that’s what AI thinks.

Brian Frosh  10:02

Yeah. Oh, and it’s

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Nestor Aparicio  10:08

crazy because I sent her to my football and baseball we just chuckled about it. There’s nothing about this that’s funny to a guy like you, and it shouldn’t be funny to any of us, either.

Brian Frosh  10:19

Not at all. You probably remember Nestor, that our office brought a suit against him in the first go around for violating the Emoluments Clause, which is the nation’s original anti corruption law. It’s it’s a clause in the Constitution that prohibits the president from accepting gifts from any foreign powers. Would that

Nestor Aparicio  10:42

include an airplane from Qatar? Would that be? Well,

Brian Frosh  10:45

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yes, yes, to be blunt, but that was only what, $900 million I mean, what’s that among friends? The it, it prohibits him from getting any other payment from the United States government, or any of the states, and the $230 million that he’s asking the Justice Department for asking his own attorney general to give him is an egregious violation of our Constitution, in the Emoluments Clause, the it’s just so flagrant, it’s so abusive, it’s so illegal that you don’t know what to say about it. And it’s there. There are challenges in getting this, these issues, to court, and you have a supreme court that’s, I would say, in the pocket of Donald Trump. I mean, I think that’s putting it politely. The idea this Supreme Court, which the majority claims to be originalists, meaning that they’re looking at what the framers of the Constitution originally intended. They claim to be textualist, which means they parse the words of the Constitution very carefully, and that’s what guides their decision making. And yet, these guys found that the President of the United States has immunity for acts taken while he’s in office. The word immunity does not appear at all in the Article, Article Two that addresses the President of the United States. It’s made up. So, you know,

Nestor Aparicio  12:28

if you have a president who’s immune to everything, you have a king, yeah, you just do,

Brian Frosh  12:33

yeah. I mean, there’s it violates so many laws and so many principles of democracy, for the President of the United States to direct the people outside of our borders, in international waters are going to get blown up by our military. It’s absolutely outrageous. They don’t know who they were blown up. They don’t know what was on it in the boats, and they didn’t give them a trial. They didn’t stop them and try to try to search the boat or stop whatever illegal like

Nestor Aparicio  13:08

there were Venezuelan like my people. So it didn’t matter, right? You know?

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Brian Frosh  13:12

I mean, I certainly think that people of color and are in much greater danger than many of the rest of us. But none of us say,

Nestor Aparicio  13:22

Well, I told people I was white for a long time. I’m definitely not. You know, I’ve learned that in the last decade I am definitely Hispanic, if they you know, my last name and my FCC license and everything that I’ve done, I’m I’m just blown away that the society has sort of boiled in it to the point where, like, we’re watching the baseball game, we’re watching the football watching the football game, we’re doing other things, and no kings round. Well, we’ll do another little rally when it gets cold out and whatever. I mean, he bulldozed the White House this week, right? Like, I I mean, like, if a bomb was dropped on the White House, it wouldn’t be any different than bringing a bulldozer and same damage. And I’m thinking to myself, aren’t there laws against that? Aren’t there something against that? And then I see what the ice thing is, which is a Gestapo going into Chinatown in New York and overthrowing the streets that I’ve walked through to get massages, to get Asian food, to get noodles, to get dumplings, to buy remedies that. And I’m thinking to myself, the New York Police have to sit there and watch people in masks throw people in unmarked cars to be whisked off. I’m thinking, is going on here? You know, like, as a citizen, like, how can everything just not stop when these things are happening,

Brian Frosh  14:45

right? I mean, it’s it’s illegal. I mean, we see videos every day now of those masked people abusing American citizens. People. Are here legally. I mean, I saw a video last week of these women who were talking to the ice folks who couldn’t hear the dialog, and some other ice guy just walks up and sprays him in the face with pepper spray. I mean, for

Nestor Aparicio  15:18

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what, who’s paying these people, and who’s hiring these people? Where’s the HR, where’s the oversight? Where are their attorneys? Do they have such things?

Brian Frosh  15:28

They’re paying these people, and God knows what their qualifications are, or what their experience is, or whether they have criminal records. They’re paying them bonuses to sign up. I heard it was as much as 50,000 bucks in

Nestor Aparicio  15:42

and quotas for putting people in trucks.

Brian Frosh  15:45

Absolutely, that’s outrageous.

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Nestor Aparicio  15:49

Well, I mean, all of this feels outrageous. Brian frosh is our guest. I don’t mean to worry anyone, but this is happening under our noses, and it is more important than football or baseball or any of these things. Well, you know, let’s go to the to the middle of the pimple of all of it the Epstein files, right? Like the leaking of the Christmas card. I don’t need leaking of anything. It’s all sitting there. All the evidence is sitting there. All of it on the island, the people he’s hired who were involved in the case in Miami and Epstein 20 years ago, like it’s, it’s like a Bond movie in many, many ways, the Epstein story. And yet, this young lady who took her life last year, her books out this week. And we, we, we’ve had relatives to the king steps, speaking of kings, Roy real royalty, had to step down over raping underage women and taking them off to an island to be sex slaves. It’s It’s outrageous, and it’s outrageous that people don’t want to know, that people want to remain willfully ignorant to it. That’s so dangerous, Brian,

Brian Frosh  17:04

it is. I mean, what went on with Epstein and his crowd was exactly what you said. They took these young girls to a place where they couldn’t escape. I mean, how do you get off Jeffrey Epstein’s Island? You don’t have your own plane, you don’t have your own boat, and you’re there. And what do you do when you’re subjected to this kind of pressure, torture, perhaps abuse. These were many of these children had not reached the age of consent, apparently. Let me go back for one second say, I think the judge in who is asked to release the files made the right call. It’s not appropriate to release all of the files, at least not through the judicial system. The I think, I mean, they’re just releasing the files, suggests that a lot of things happen that may not have happened, or that anybody who was there was culpable in some way or another. That’s not necessarily true. But, I mean, we do know. We do know two things, Jeffrey Epstein trafficked young women, girls on that island. We know that he and Donald Trump were close friends. Hung out together. Trump rode on his plane, went to his parties, talked about having sex with young girls. And, I mean, I don’t know how much more information you need, there are a series of smoking guns in the way of pictures. It’s just such a crashing, horrible criminal enterprise that Epstein was engaged in. And it appears Donald Trump, if not we did, may not have organized it. I don’t know whether he did or not, but

Nestor Aparicio  19:13

well his his his ability to to affect Ghislaine Maxwell’s sentence where she’s going to be after meeting with his his lawyer is like, right? I mean, the protocols that are set up to make legal cases legal and stand and not be thrown out have every precedent was broken in that case, correct, given his involvement in this, yeah.

Brian Frosh  19:40

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I mean, he’s, he’s doing it all the time. I mean, look, here’s a guy, President of the United States, brings suits against media companies and others, and says, you know, I want you to pay me $22 million or $50 million or whatever. And they’ve got applications pending with the Federal Communications Commission for a merger or permission to do something. They pay him the money, not because he’s entitled to it, not because he would win in court, but because they don’t want to fight with the President of the United States when they have a billion dollar deal on the table. It’s absolutely outrageous. It, I mean, I it certainly violates the emoluments clauses. Well, it doesn’t necessarily. These are folks who are doing business with the government. Depending on who said what to whom, you might make a bribery case out of it, might make an extortion case out of it, but it’s if it’s not flat out illegal, if it’s not flat out criminal, it’s certainly conduct that is unbecoming of the President of the United States, and he doesn’t need the money. That’s the crazy thing. It’s just vindictiveness,

Nestor Aparicio  21:03

yeah, and I guess it’s catching on, you know, I’ll wrap with this. Brian frosh is here. He’s always generous with his time to try to educate us further than what AI can educate us. The thing that worries me about all of this is being an historian about, you know, violence and empires and democracies and overthrows of governments and all of those things. Bloodshed is always involved. As far as I remember. I go back a civil war here, and tea parties and, you know, in the British and the revolution, and how Federal Hill sits there, you know, in our harbor and all of that. And I think we’re the most violent society in the history of mankind because of the kind of weapons we have and we produce, and we in this country, adore the the love of violence and weapons and bloodshed and the commoditization of it on the internet and video games and television. I was with a buddy of mine recently eating some chicken wings in a sports bar, and I looked up and there’s two women beating the shit out of each other in a cage bloody while I’m sitting, and there’s kids in the in there’s just chicken wings and the televisions as big as the wall, and it’s it’s UFC now we’re going to do that at the White House. We’ve just destroyed part of the White House to build a shining ballroom. We don’t have a government that’s functioning at this point. And the bloodshed and all of it that’s put out there and the glorification of it in our society, whether it’s shooting up kids at school, whether it’s these rednecks with machine guns and flags behind them, and all of these red states that get elected on having guns in the middle of their ads. I mean, it’s just stuff that, like, boggles my mind in a big but I but I often think, like that’s what we saw on January six. Will look like a tea party if the cult were enabled in a violent way, and that stands at the at the front of all of this is that I’ve been to Australia. I spent time in Canada, in these countries where kids don’t get shot up in schools every day, where mass murders don’t happen every day. The thing that worries me the most is how many bullets and guns we have in our society, and how that’s just changed dramatically in the last 50 years in our country, since that’s Nixon, let’s say,

Brian Frosh  23:35

Well, I mean, it is the Supreme Court that has caused most of the damage Congress has done a fair amount. I mean, they passed a law that says gun manufacturers are immune from lawsuits holding them to account for the mayhem that they cause by pushing these weapons into the public domain in I mean, we have more, we have more guns in private hands in the United States than we have people. It’s crazy, and they’ve, they’ve again, distorted the Constitution beyond recognition in order to enable this. And it’s really you’ve got these huge moneyed interests, the gun manufacturers who pour money into the coffers and the people who were supporting the legislation and the initiatives to keep guns on the streets and in the hands of everybody, and even if you turned around now and said, Okay, folks, we’re done. I mean, I think Australia did that. They had a mass murder. And they said, Okay, everybody turn in your assault weapons. No more of this. And people said, oh, okay, that’s not happening in the United States. They don’t have mass murders in other countries the way we do. You not as many, not as Brian.

Nestor Aparicio  25:04

I shared a graphic last week of year to year that was one of those video graphics, and it picks up in the 90s in Columbine, and it it’s outrageous. I mean, it’s as outrageous as these climate change charts that we’re going to see in this storm down in Jamaica that’s churning up a Category Five and not moving because of hot, hot hot water and and fossil fuels and all of that. But it’s, it’s evidence, right? Like the evidence of the murders, the evidence of the climate change and the denial of real statistics and and overtly obvious changes, right? Absolutely.

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Brian Frosh  25:43

It’s, you know, the Trump folks and many other Republicans argument is, who you going to believe me or your own eyes? It’s a Groucho Marx argument. It’s ridiculous. Orwellian, really, right? Yeah, yeah. It’s, I mean, they’re putting together. They have a propaganda machine. If you notice, you know, the right wing media. They all say the same thing in the same words. They’ve got somebody who’s coming up with talking points. Oh, it’s left wing Democrats who are lying. Blah, blah, blah. They all say it every day. They repeat it over and over. And Donald Trump knows that if you do that, sooner or later, people start to believe it

Nestor Aparicio  26:28

climate change. For you, I know it’s one of the real I mean, you’re involved in a lot of things as former attorney general state of Maryland, but and you know, when I talked to Martin O’Malley at length, one of the things he is so much he talks about the water. He talks about, you know, the bay and the crabs. And I do the crab cake tour. We all know about crab prices and all of that, these crazy, you know, catfish running around it. But just in a general sense, water, rising water, warming, green Harbor, these things that we see that are very obvious here, you know, milder winners, the poor kids up in Hereford have to go to school now. They don’t get two hours off like they used to back in the day. But I would say for you being on the front end of this, representing people, representing humans, animals, all of us, fires, all floods, all the things that have happened here in at floods in at floods in Asheville, floods in Western Maryland and Lona coning right. I saw Governor West more making right, left, black, white, East, West County, rural city. Ad about, it’s screwing up everything. It’s, it’s not red or blue. Climate change. It just comes.

Brian Frosh  27:37

Well, if you ask Donald Trump, you know it’s, it’s not happening. It’s a hoax, and it’s incredibly dangerous. All of us are threatened by it. We’ll, we’ll have more diseases. We’ll have a harder time feeding the populations of the world. We’ll have, we’ll have less habitable land, the waters will rise in places that that have water and places that are deserts, arid, hot, will become uninhabitable in the immigration problems that we’re looking at today, the refugee problems that we’re looking at today will be dwarfed by what happens in the coming decades, because the earth will be less habitable for human beings, and there’ll be people will be fighting over the land that’s left that you can live on. I mean, if you look at the graphic behind you, Baltimore City, right on the water. When that rises, how many of those bells

Nestor Aparicio  28:46

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point goes underwater every time? So does boleys quarters. We all know that, right? We Jones Falls. We know. We know where all the floods happen, right? I mean literally, and they’ve been happening there for 20 years. Ellicott City, right, right. I mean, but when I think of Lahaina being burned down. When I think I went out to LA and as I’m flying in there a couple weeks ago, I looked down, black patch, black patch, black patch. Oh, fires, right? Like huge fires. And when I think about Asheville underwater, and I think about Western Maryland underwater, and I think like, this isn’t happening elsewhere. I mean, Katrina was 20 years ago. This is happening here. Yeah, hey, man, I appreciate you, and someday, maybe just a ball game and a crab cake, and we don’t, we don’t need to discuss saving democracy. I hope we live long enough for that.

Brian Frosh  29:33

Brian, same here, it’s always a pleasure. Nestor, thanks for what you do. Thanks for having me on

Nestor Aparicio  29:40

Well, I got aI now I can just ask them breaking all the laws, but I like for you to be my interpreter through all of these things. It does keep me a little more sane to know that I’m not losing my mind when I talk to people like you about this. This isn’t normal, right? Yeah, it’s not normal. Brian, I appreciate you, man. Ball game soon, and Thanks for always coming on. Appreciate all. The work that you did here. Keep keep up the great work with trying to keep us as safe as you can, at least with your words and deeds. Thanks so much, Nestor, great former Attorney General the state of Maryland. There he is. Brian frost, we’re gonna be doing the Maryland crab cake tour in the future, next week at state fair on Tuesday, we’re doing a morning edition. It might have eggs and bacon or chicken and waffles. Might have shrimp and grits, but it’ll definitely have scratch offs. The Maryland lottery. Have the Raven scratch offs, and then we’re going to be on the fifth at Cocos and the seventh at Pizza. John’s. Luke is going to be in Owings Mills every day until they get eliminated. I hope it’s not this week, but it has been rough. We’re going to get a manager for the Orioles at some point, and at some point we’ll eat turkey and eat pumpkin pie and do all that good stuff in copase and sauerkraut. I am Nestor. We are W, N, S, D. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore. Positive. Stay with us.