With the highs and lows of the former Terry Bollea in the news after the death of Hulk Hogan, Luke Jones and Nestor grapple with his act, “borrowed” if-not-stolen from Superstar Billy Graham as documented in the recent “Dark Side Of The Ring” tale on Vice regarding the business of wrestling and Vince McMahon and steroids in the 1970s and 80s.

Nestor Aparicio and Luke Jones discussed the impact of wrestling legends Hulk Hogan and Superstar Billy Graham. Nestor shared his memories of seeing Hogan at the Capital Center and Graham’s influence on Hogan’s career. They highlighted Hogan’s transformation from a heel to a face under Vince McMahon Jr.’s guidance. Luke noted the cyclical nature of wrestling, where stars often borrow from each other. They also touched on the influence of Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair, and the unique charisma of Andre the Giant, who could drink two cases of beer without needing to use the bathroom.

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Get a GBMC shirt for Luke Jones to wear as part of the new sponsorship.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Follow up on men’s health initiatives with GBMC.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Discuss further the influence of Superstar Billy Graham on Hulk Hogan’s character.

GBMC Sponsorship and Men’s Health

• Nestor Aparicio announces a new sponsorship with GBMC, a community hospital where his brother was born.
• Nestor plans to get a GBMC shirt for Luke Jones, highlighting the importance of men’s health issues.
• Nestor mentions his recent checkup and the importance of colonoscopies and other health screenings.
• The conversation shifts to the wrestling world, with Nestor and Luke discussing SummerSlam and John Cena’s retirement tour.

Memories of Hulk Hogan and Superstar Billy Graham

• Nestor shares his memories of seeing Hulk Hogan wrestle for the first time at the Capital Center.
• Luke and Nestor discuss the impact of Hulk Hogan and Superstar Billy Graham on their lives.
• Nestor recalls watching Superstar Graham pin Bruno Sammartino and the emotional impact it had on him.
• The conversation touches on the dark side of the wrestling business and the struggles of Superstar Graham.

The Influence of Superstar Billy Graham on Hulk Hogan

• Nestor explains how Hulk Hogan stole Superstar Graham’s act and the emotional toll it took on Graham.
• Luke and Nestor discuss the cyclical nature of wrestling, with wrestlers often copying and adapting each other’s moves.
• Nestor reflects on the impact of Hulk Hogan’s transformation from a heel to a face and the influence of Vince McMahon Jr.
• The conversation highlights the importance of charisma and performance in wrestling, with examples of wrestlers like Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes.

The Legacy of Dusty Rhodes

• Nestor expresses his admiration for Dusty Rhodes, who was a significant influence on his life.
• Luke shares insights into Dusty Rhodes’ contributions to the wrestling business, including his work in NXT and training future stars.
• The conversation explores the unique charm and charisma of Dusty Rhodes, despite his lisp.
• Nestor and Luke discuss the lasting impact of Dusty Rhodes’ promos and his influence on modern wrestling.

The Evolution of Wrestling and Its Stars

• Luke discusses the evolution of wrestling from a more business-focused approach to a more athletic and risky style.
• The conversation touches on the importance of getting over with the audience and the role of charisma in wrestling.
• Nestor and Luke reflect on the influence of wrestling managers like Bobby Heenan and Captain Lou Albano.
• The discussion highlights the importance of storytelling and character development in wrestling, with examples of iconic wrestlers like Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair.

The Impact of Andre the Giant

• Nestor and Luke discuss the global popularity of Andre the Giant and his impact on the wrestling world.
• Luke shares a story about Andre the Giant’s drinking abilities, highlighting his larger-than-life persona.
• The conversation explores the unique challenges and opportunities faced by Andre the Giant, including his extensive international tours.
• Nestor and Luke reflect on the lasting legacy of Andre the Giant and his influence on the wrestling business.

The Business of Wrestling

• Luke explains the business side of wrestling, emphasizing the importance of getting over with the audience.
• The conversation touches on the role of Vince McMahon and the evolution of the WWE.
• Nestor and Luke discuss the influence of various wrestling personalities on the business, including Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair.
• The discussion highlights the importance of storytelling and character development in creating successful wrestling stars.

The Role of Managers in Wrestling

• Nestor and Luke discuss the significance of managers in wrestling, such as Bobby Heenan and Captain Lou Albano.
• The conversation explores the role of managers in enhancing the performance of wrestlers and creating memorable moments.
• Luke shares insights into the influence of managers on the wrestling business and their contributions to the industry.
• The discussion highlights the unique dynamics between wrestlers and managers, with examples of iconic manager-wrestler relationships.

The Influence of Dusty Rhodes on Modern Wrestling

• Nestor and Luke reflect on the lasting impact of Dusty Rhodes on modern wrestling.
• The conversation explores the influence of Dusty Rhodes on current WWE stars like Cody Rhodes and Dustin Rhodes.
• Luke shares insights into Dusty Rhodes’ contributions to the wrestling business, including his work in NXT and training future stars.
• The discussion highlights the unique charm and charisma of Dusty Rhodes, despite his lisp, and his influence on modern wrestling.

The Legacy of Andre the Giant

• Nestor and Luke discuss the global popularity of Andre the Giant and his impact on the wrestling world.
• The conversation touches on Andre the Giant’s drinking abilities and his larger-than-life persona.
• Luke shares a story about Andre the Giant’s drinking habits, highlighting his unique abilities.
• The discussion explores the unique challenges and opportunities faced by Andre the Giant, including his extensive international tours.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Hulk Hogan, Superstar Billy Graham, wrestling, GBMC sponsorship, men’s health, SummerSlam, John Cena, Andre the Giant, Dusty Rhodes, Ric Flair, Vince McMahon, WWE, professional wrestling, charisma, entertainment.

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Luke Jones, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:00

So we signed a new sponsorship here this week with GBMC, which is where my brother was born, and it’s the community hospital right in the neighborhood where my radio station is in Towson. Now they have wings in all sorts of places, and I’m going to get you a GBMC shirt to wear, because I didn’t even really think like you’re sort of the injury report captain. You know what I mean. And it’s not even like injury reports, but like, I’ve got to get one of the reasons I’m doing this is men’s health issues. Me getting a checkup, me getting over seeing my doctor, telling a lot of stories and issues and things like that, after we talked about, you know, colonoscopies and different things like that. So I got to get you on that. So GBMC is our newest sponsor, so I’m going to work that with you, but I gotta say this, um, the wrestling thing, it’s like sort of a Wayne move from baseball to wrestling real

Luke Jones  00:51

quickly. Summer Slam was this weekend anyway, so go ahead. You have anything you want to say about SummerSlam? Yeah, no. I mean, it was good, but nothing from a historic standpoint, that that you would interest you, although John Cena lost the title, and he’s, he’s, he’s actually on his retirement tour right now, although I don’t know if it’s like, I mean, that guy

Nestor Aparicio  01:12

today’s, yeah, yeah. He’s always on the Today Show, John Cena. I

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Luke Jones  01:15

mean, John, yeah, you hear he he voices a ton of commercials too. I mean, I hear his voice on commercials all the time. It’s hilarious. So

Nestor Aparicio  01:24

you and I got into about Hulk Hogan, right? And I found my ticket stub from the first time I saw Hulk wrestle at the Capitol centers, the first time I ever went to the capital center. Seminal moment in my life. Not as good as Kwame nasty theme song. And you can listen to that here this week, which was a lot of fun too, but I went to the capital center, and Hawk was a heel with classy Freddy blassie, who I also channeled earlier here with some pencil neck gig comments for the ownership of Major League Baseball,

Luke Jones  01:52

the Hollywood Fashion plate, classy Freddy blas. There was

Nestor Aparicio  01:57

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an interview I found on YouTube that was the promo shoot for that match. It was shot March 1, 1980 the match was March 8. Backlin and Hogan wrestled at the spectrum, and there’s a lot of video. There’s a video of that because they had house video at the spectrum, and there’s pictures. There’s a backland Hogan picture that was up at the capital center for years that I found that I shared they’re wearing different trunks that way. I know it was a different but they only wrestled two or three times. You can look it up, bad guy, and I don’t know how this happened, and the timing of this, that you and I went after the Hulk Hogan thing and what a scumbag he was, and how much he meant to you, and we went through after his death, and it’s all my timeline. Now we didn’t even talk about him selling out the saharian thing. And you know what happened on television with superstar Graham that I learned later, but I watched the superstar Graham vice a dark side of the ring. Now, that’s my era, right? I was at the Civic Center the night superstar Graham pin Bruno last night, Bruno held the championship my parents. I think my mother might have cried that night that much she loved Bruno, um, and I’m nine years old. I didn’t know Kevin Eck quite yet, you know, at that point, but we were about to get into that period of time, and superstar Graham was a star for a year, and then canned, and then this dark side of the ring, you told me be very sad. It was his kids. Just all, just all of it. I remember when he went to the Orient and came back and like, I remember all of that about superstar Graham, but the thing that I that I lost, that I tried to explain to my wife, who was more Hulk Hogan, but doesn’t really remember superstar Graham the way I do. She’ll younger than me, but like her dad, like you know, didn’t get into wrestling, but, but Cindy Lauper brought her in, and she was in with Hulk Hogan, with you, right? And, yeah, she’s older than you. The thing about superstar Graham, that blew my mind. Blew my mind was Hulk Hogan stole his act, yeah, and I others did too. I sort of into well, and they all stole, you know, he, I mean, really, George, right, you know, like he came 10 years or two, not, not even 10. Honestly, when you look at when Vince Jr obviously bought from Vince senior, took the took the company national,

Luke Jones  04:30

if superstar Graham had come along seven years later, he might have been Hulk Hogan. I mean, like you just think about it. I mean, Hogan, okay, he had, you know, obviously, he had his original run, wrestled Andre at Shea Stadium. He was the heel. He went off and did rocky three. Vince senior was ticked about that, like, because Vince senior was still very much, hey, kayfabe, we got to protect all, like, all that he didn’t want, he didn’t want his wrestlers being movie stars, right? I mean, he wanted them selling out the garden. Uh, four times a month, or whatever it was, um, and so, like, Hogan, like, had that whole thing and, but then he came back to WWF, and that was Vince Jr’s guy. And the rest is history to me. Yeah, the favorite

Nestor Aparicio  05:16

source guy from the Graham piece would have been what Hulk Hogan’s interviews look like as a bad guy, yeah, 1980 it was this sullen, dark, you know, tough guy. Yeah, no talky. He had no on camera, anything. And then even, like, I go back and look at the older Awa and I’ve never seen a Hulk Hogan documentary or nor do I know that I even care about it, because I cared about superstar Graham to the point where, like, you saw how pathetic it all was in the drugs and what they do, like, just all of it, right? So Harry, just all of it, the Phil Donahue show. But the part that was missing for me that connected the dots was the fact that Hogan died, and I went and watched the interview of what Hogan looked like on the set with Freddie blassie, who did all the talking for him, and how McMahon said, basically watch superstar Graham and just do what he does. Just do what he does. And and when I I was in the car with my wife, and she was driving, and we were eating one of these delicious donuts that I’m going to feature as part of my 27 favorite things to eat. I had to go out and make sure it was still good. You got to have 50 donuts in order to make the 27 top 27 list for me this month, but I was explaining to my wife, who didn’t know superstar Graham, to channel him and say, Wiz, let me tell you, brother. Let me tell you, brother, we’re coming to Baltimore, brother, and how that became, let me tell you something McMahon, brother and like, the comparison of that and what Hogan looked like before and was trained up like, no wonder Graham lost his mind watching his act be done, like it would be, like Jerry Coleman taking my act and, like, literally playing the nasty themes, somebody else doing it and trying that, Bobby, whatever his name is, like taking my act and me having to sit and watch it from the outside. Cassie kind of has my act with the Ravens right now. So does Rob long but, but like, in a funny way, I never as an adult, pieced together how screwed up that must have made superstar Graham and the drugs and the violence and just all of this back hurting like all of that that goes into being a wrestler, but that Hulk Hogan really stole his act would it’s something that I missed at when we talked about Hulk Hogan’s Act, as much as I missed, you know, a lot of the more tawdry stuff that he did. I mean, the sex tape part, like all that we didn’t even go through any of that when he died, or just the part that he was a stolen act on all of it, on top of the superstar Graham thing that happened right in front of me, and I never acknowledged it until I’m 56, years old, and they’re both dead.

Luke Jones  08:27

Who’s the Nature Boy?

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Nestor Aparicio  08:29

Buddy Rogers. Baby

Luke Jones  08:32

Ric Flair adopted plenty for Buddy Rogers, the the strutting, the kind of the style, the nickname figure four leglock wrestling is that business? I mean, it absolutely is. There’s a wrestler right now, la Knight and WWE, who, I would say, and this is simplistic, obviously, is not exactly the same, but I see elements of the rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin in his act. I mean, I really do, like, it’s kind of like everybody did a

Nestor Aparicio  08:58

sergeant slaughter, right? Yeah.

Luke Jones  09:00

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I mean, I don’t, I don’t, I see it as nothing egregious from Terry bolea in that. I think it’s he was told to do that. And that’s kind of my point is, with Superstar Billy Graham, just the shame of it really is that he didn’t come along like it wasn’t like 10 years later when his prime was because, you look at it and think about it, and the vice special covered it where, you know, look, Bruno was beloved, but there was no pomp and circumstance about Bruno. Bruno, like tough guy, Italian, like everyone loved him, but it was all business. There was no, you know, there’s no theme song or anything like that, right? I mean, it was very but that’s what, that’s what your world champions were. That’s why, when Graham won, the idea was you have a heel transitional champion, and then Bob Acklin, who was as boring of a baby face as you’ll find. I mean, like the Bob Backlund that we saw years later in WWF, was way more.

Nestor Aparicio  10:00

More interesting. The old man believed that’s how you got the heat on the heel. That’s kind of how it was back. Then make the good guy so freaking howdy duty or so be loved. That’s a bad guy. Kicking him in the nuts would bring everybody back. Sure. Gage man, sure,

Luke Jones  10:14

exactly so. So from that standpoint, again, if superstar Graham, if that, if he came along in the mid 80s rather than the mid 70s. I mean, man, you’re talking about a game changer right there. I mean, for what,

Nestor Aparicio  10:29

for any of those really charismatic wrestlers, right? Whether it’s Dusty Rhodes or Ric Flair, or, you know, Jake the Snake or,

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Luke Jones  10:38

or, and does, and, by the way,

Nestor Aparicio  10:39

Joe, man, you know that Hogan boyance, I never heard, nobody Ventura was doing Hulk. Hogan first, right?

Luke Jones  10:47

Jesse. Jesse Ventura was, was, took Graham elements. Hogan also talked to he even talked dust. Dusty. Rhodes was a so much of an influence of that. Again, Dusty was another one. And dusty look dusty had immense success. But again, if dusty’s Prime had come 10 years later, he might have been what Hulk Hogan was for, for taking the WWF national and all that, right? I mean, because Hogan talked about, Hogan said, when he first started, like he wanted to be Dusty Rhodes so, I mean, that’s, that’s kind of, I heard him

Nestor Aparicio  11:21

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give that interview well, I mean, the American dream became the American Idol. So my point, my point with that, is, I lost the idol. Was doing that at the time. Yeah, like, yeah. I mean, so, like, I get it. They were all grand.

Luke Jones  11:34

Everyone is on right? And everyone does this. There is rarely, and I say this as someone who’s been a wrestling fan for four decades now, like, literally, I was, I’m going to be 42 in October. I really started watching wrestling when I was two. I mean, you can ask my ask my mom, like, I could name, I could name all the Orioles and all the wrestlers, right? I mean, that’s how it was for two and three year old. Luke Jones, right? Probably says something about who I am today, but I digress. But you know that that was everyone picks and chooses, everyone steals, a little bit adapts, a little bit takes from that. I mean, finishing moves. Now it, yeah, it’s gotten more athletic and, frankly, way more risky. Now, as far as what these guys do from an athletic standpoint, and girls, uh, Summer Slam. You know, you asked me about SummerSlam, the absolute sickest thing I saw in terms of someone taking a bump. That’s when think of it as a stunt for people who aren’t wrestling people was Candace laray, who was managing one tag team in this big ladder match that they had. It was like six different teams involved. She crashed through a ladder, and I kind of held my breath, like, like, I put my hands on my head, like, Oh my gosh. Like, is she okay? So it speaks to what the women do now today. But again, there’s all copying. It’s cyclical. There’s copying. There’s never anything that’s or rarely is anything really, truly original. And, yeah, Hulk Hogan, I’m guessing, if he were still here and truth serum, and he’d say, Yeah, of course, I copied off a superstar Graham. You You see how popular he was in 1977 and 78 I’d be crazy not to so. And, you know, in 1780 he didn’t have that act, is the interesting thing. And he turned that act into a good guy, yeah? Well, sure, and look some of that is also, go back and look at these wrestlers. I mean, they’re performers, right? I mean, that’s, that’s what they do. Some of the, some of my all time favorite, Rob, go look at a rock promo from his first year when he was Rocky. My Avilla. I mean, it makes you want to, like, hurl. It’s so cheesy. Yeah, it’s just so bad. And he became one of the greatest talkers of all time. Flair is a great one. If you can go find some really old, like, really old flair stuff, he wasn’t much. He wasn’t the great talker that he became. I mean, the guy that you think of as, like, the epitome of what a cool heel is. He couldn’t talk in his earliest years. That’s that’s a tough skill. So when you’re trying to develop that, of course you’re going to copy off the superstar grams and the and the dusty roads of the world, because they’re so great at it. I mean literally, the today, these kids today that are coming up in the business, they’re watching old tapes of the rock or old tapes of flair, or old tapes of Stone Cold Steve Austin, they’d be crazy not to I mean, that’s that the whole business is not about being the best wrestler. It’s not about being the champion or any of that. You know what the business is about getting over that means you’re popular, whether you’re if you’re a bad guy, the fans hate you. If you’re a good guy, fans love you. It’s all about getting over. If you’re over, then the money comes, then the titles come, then then the merch comes, all that. So yeah, superstar Graham was fantastic at that, and Hulk Hogan and probably 50 other guys absolutely stole his act. But that’s why, as I said, it’s a. Game, he was ahead of his time. I mean, he absolutely was. And hey, WWF, if they had kept the title on him longer, I mean, who knows, maybe they would have, maybe they would have gone national more quickly than they did. I don’t know. I mean, Vince senior was obviously part of the old guard, which was like the mafia. And they all tried to, they, they all tried to take care of each other, even if they didn’t really trust each other. You know, it was very much like, you know, they lend out Andre the Giant was let out elsewhere. They bring in Dusty Rhodes for a run at MSG. I mean, it’s totally, a totally different world than what it is today, but, but, yeah, that’s you saying that. I mean, yeah. I mean, I’m not surprised by that. And all at all, and again, you can find, uh, numerous other guys that that did that, just like the Ultimate Warrior, you know, elements of him, he copied off of Hulk Hogan, right? I mean, it’s like, Sting is in that same right? Yeah, no question. So, yeah, it’s all right, it’s fun, but yeah. I mean, it’s, it’s very much a business of, you know, you you have these full circle moments where you just kind of see these guys. It’s like, oh yeah, you could tell he liked that guy. You could tell he was a big fan of that guy. And it’s just, you know, it’s, it’s fun, because there are lots of different styles and but I’m glad you checked that out. I this past season of dark side of the ring, I thought the Graham superstar, Graham one was probably the best one out of the season.

Nestor Aparicio  16:17

Well, I’m waiting on the Billy Joel doc. I did get a chance to watch the Elaine Maxwell piece on Netflix, which was just unbelievable. Looks like my guest Barry Levine last week. He’s written a couple books on it. I was unbelievable. I, you know, just said this on the wrestling thing. I can only said this to you one time, and I maybe was even off the air when we were rooming together, chasing football or baseball or something. But when I was like 10 years old, channel 13, it’s either Klaus Wagner or was Randy Blair, had a write in kids thing right in to meet your hero. Meet you know it. Tell us 25 words or less why you want to meet your hero. And I wanted to meet Dusty Rhodes, the American dream. And I told many of I went my whole lifetime. I don’t think I ever really met dusty and I feel like I may have been in a room at one point, at like a Hall of Fame, or this or that, where he was actually in the room, and I that would have been a big deal for me. And I ever done it, and I don’t know why I didn’t do it. I probably had a million opportunities, I mean, flair, and I had real face to face when I was a young reporter. I don’t I never met Hogan, superstar Graham. I never met, I think there was a point where, like, some of these guys may have called in now, like Bruno called in, did the show several times with me, but Dusty Rhodes to me as a 10 year old of that I wanted to not Brooks Robinson, not Johnny Unitas, not even Sister lescano, although now that I reconsider at that point in my life, Dusty Rhodes was as big a hero to me as Hulk Hogan was to you, right? I guess, yeah.

Luke Jones  17:56

And and dusty to this day has such. I mean, Cody Rhodes, his son is just won the WWE title back, right? Stardust, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just, and, uh, Dustin, gold dust. Stardust, no. Gold Dust is Dustin, who is still wrestling in Aw, actually just had a run as their version of the Intercontinental title. Yeah, he just had for a brief time. But the thing about dusty that was amazing. And, you know, because you, you said it. So I, I’ll give you 30 seconds on dusty. He did everything. I mean, he was a wrestler, motor booked, uh, worked in NXT, which is WWE developmental. He the last years of his life, he was working training the future stars, right? I mean, so many of the WWE talent today that’s on the younger side, but has been around the last and triple h2 would have that reputation. So, so like, right? I mean, Triple H now, Triple H runs the creative for WWE at this point. He is Vince in that way in 2025 so, but yeah, dusty just had such an amazing mind for the business. I mean, great in the ring, great talker. I mean, even with his Lisp, I mean, that would have been a deterrent for any other superstar. He leaned into it. That was part of the charm of dusty, right? I mean, you know, his hard times promo is

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Nestor Aparicio  19:15

you’re making me want to go watch a stand back. I mean, his hard time. Let me tell you about pain. You think about like the and

Luke Jones  19:23

this would be fun for me to do, just as an exercise. Sometimes I’m just sitting here with my stream of consciousness going, but I think of the all time great promos. His hard times promo is one of those gold standard ones that any wrestler at any point in their career would dream of cutting a promo along those lines, right? I mean, CM Punk for him at 14 years ago, it was the pipe bomb promo that kind of took him into a new level in WWE. I mean, but dusty. I mean,

Nestor Aparicio  19:52

I had my hair was Piper’s pit man, yeah,

Luke Jones  19:55

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Piper was one of the all time great talkers as well, right? I mean, the rock. I mean. And you go, go down the list. Flare was amazing. I mean, you go watch those flare promos from the mid 80s, and it’s like, I mean, this guy’s, it’s a different

Nestor Aparicio  20:09

the red the managers were the real stars in Mr. McMahon’s world, doing the talking. Vince McMahon, George animal, Steele couldn’t talk, right?

Luke Jones  20:18

Oh yeah. I mean, you had Captain Lou, you had Freddie Lassie, you had the Grand Wizard. I mean, you had that Bobby The Brain comes in a couple years later. I mean, yeah, because that’s and you still have a little bit of that, like Paul Heyman able, yeah, Paul Heyman still does some of

Nestor Aparicio  20:34

that. Dude, this is way more fun than last place base.

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Luke Jones  20:36

Oh, I know exactly. It’s so funny, because I will have people come up to me like that. They’ll listen to us like when we break off on a tangent and talk about wrestling, and they’re like, shocked that I’m in the rest. I always tell like I’ve said this to you, like, other than my faith and my family, you know beyond that, there are two things that I’ve really, truly cared about my entire existence, from the time I can remember being a little boy till today, baseball and professional wrestling, I mean, football I didn’t like until I got a little bit older. And obviously Baltimore didn’t have a team till I was 13 years old. So you know, it’s it’s fun, it’s fun. And I, as I get older, I find a lot of aspects of life are more imitate wrestling, a little more than we’d like to believe. I think K fave is something that is actually pervasive in a lot of ways, you know, but you know. But all kidding aside, it is a great form of entertainment. And some of the names that we’ve spent a few minutes here talking, I mean it, it’s fun. There’s no doubt. And anyone who is anyone in wrestling today, generally speaking, they’ll talk about, I mean, Hogan’s an easy one, but Dusty Rhodes Ric Flair, a Superstar Billy Graham going back, you know, might be a couple generations in between, but you look at these types and you know, as much as the athletic part has evolved to something that someone that liked wrestling in the 70s wouldn’t even recognize because it’s just so much more athletic and risque and all that. I mean, these guys are literally risking breaking their neck multiple Matt times a match, in many cases. But it still comes down to meticism entertainment. And are you over? Because you can do all the flips and all that. But if the fans don’t care about it, they’ll like it for the five minutes or the 10 minutes that you’re out there, but then they forget about it right away. Dusty, you know, the elbow drop, whatever. He made people love him forever, because he was that good. And same with flair, same with superstar Graham. Andre didn’t have to say anything. Andre was. Andre was just amazing. I mean, it’s, yeah, I mean, I’m glad you at least brought up Andre, because he was truly as much as everyone talked about Hogan. And yes, Hogan was. He was just global store people. Andre, at his peak, might have been the most popular human being on the face of the earth, because he toured in Japan. He toured all over the world. Unlike most of these wrestlers, who were mostly United States, North America, maybe they do a tour in Japan every now and then Andre went everywhere. And he was beloved everywhere.

Nestor Aparicio  23:13

Well, he was a large man. He was still the greatest story ever. Was drinking stories drinking beer with Phil. I’m telling you. Phil Jackman went drinking with Andre the Giant, and he lived to tell, lived a lifetime. So I recently

Luke Jones  23:26

heard a story, and this is 30 seconds, because I know we’re wrapping here, but is it better than Wade Boggs, Jake, it’s, it’s along those lines. Jake Roberts was with Andre, and I think they had a flight, no, it was a drive. That was only like, it’s like a two hour drive, hour and 40 minutes, something like that. And wrestlers being who they were in those days, they’re drinking while they were on the road, not condoning that part of it. But Jake Roberts is like, Andre, how much you want. You know you want. You want a six pack. You want to 12 pack, whatever. He goes case. And Jake’s like, Andre, we’re only going to be on the road for like, an hour and 20 minutes. Whatever he goes, Oh, two cases, he said, Andre drank everyone. And Jake drank a six. Jake, obviously, his story is well documented. As far as his issues with substance abuse, drinking, drugs, all that, Jake had a six pack. I don’t know if he was driving. They may have been flying. I could be anyway. Point is, Andre drank two cases of beer, and Jake said the most amazing thing is he

Nestor Aparicio  24:30

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didn’t have to use the bathroom. I was gonna say how many times he said he’s like,

Luke Jones  24:34

how he’s like, was his? Was his bladder the size of a basketball or something? And so I heard Jake Roberts and that story I had heard a couple of years ago, but it popped up on my timeline again here recently. But yeah, Andre’s drinking escapades were the stuff of legend, because, well, when you’re talking about, you know, a real life giant, you know, he’s 500 pounds, he could put away his booze, that’s

Nestor Aparicio  24:58

for sure. Yeah. Behind the Chesapeake restaurant, there’s an alley, and Phil Jackman told me about it. He’s Luke, I’m Nestor. We usually talk baseball or football. I promise we will appreciate everybody following our 27th anniversary, we’re gonna be out having some fun. We’re gonna be at Beaumont on Thursday with our friends in Maryland. Lottery. I’ll be giving stuff away all month long, including really good advice on good stuff you should go eat. It’s Baltimore positive. Stay with us. You.