Luke Jones and Nestor discuss the big problems of David Rubenstein and the sudden irrelevance of the Baltimore Orioles’ season this summer as the team heads West for a week of late night, last place baseball amidst injuries, a lack of leadership and accountability. Have you seen the lineup? Have you seen the pitching? Have you seen the owner who was giving out bobbleheads of himself last month?
Nestor Aparicio and Luke Jones discussed the Baltimore Orioles’ poor performance and the impact of new ownership. The team lost two out of three games against the Cardinals, with a 3-6 season record. Key issues include poor situational hitting, with the team ranking 26th in weighted runs created with runners in scoring position. Injuries to key players like Mullins and Rutschman have further hindered performance. The ownership, led by David Rubenstein, has faced criticism for lack of engagement and transparency. The team’s attendance and overall relevance have significantly declined, with many fans disillusioned.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Orioles, ownership issues, Baltimore baseball, David Rubenstein, team performance, pitching problems, lineup balance, fan engagement, ticket sales, community trust, leadership, player injuries, situational hitting, fan frustration, team future.
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Luke Jones, Speaker 1, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive. We hope you’re setting a spot out on your radio dial for us at am 1570 as well as make sure you hit Baltimore positive.com as often as possible next Thursday, come hit us up remount station and Hampstead will be giving away the Back to the Future scratch, also in the Maryland lottery. It will be the Maryland crab cake tour, coming back to Carroll County in Hampstead again, looking forward to that. Always a great crab cake. Always good time up there with Chris and Dave and everybody up in Hampstead. Also going to be on the 13th back at fade leaves in Lexington market. The California Angels of Anaheim of Los Angeles will be in town that weekend. Mike Trout will be fishing trout, fish, crab cakes. Uh, that’ll be the 13th of the month. Luke Jones is here. He unfortunately dealt with the fish wrap of the Orioles. What a what a bad, weird baseball game on Wednesday night and the rain all three days for the Cardinals in town, they wind up losing two out of three. But just, I don’t know, man, I mean, you and I get together every morning. I got really saucy on Wednesday morning because I’m really kind of pissed off at all of this. Just how awful the new ownership spin and just, just Pu and they’re, they’re gonna lose plenty more games.
Luke Jones 01:15
Luke, yeah, well, I mean, this is, there’s no end in sight for this. I think there are certainly things you can point to that it can get better. But what sign
Nestor Aparicio 01:24
up just what general, right, real major league players in the lineup? Yeah,
8Luke Jones 01:29
I mean Jordan Westberg and Colton cows are Norfolk’s been dealing with rain this week too. They’ve had a couple rain outs, so they haven’t been able to continue their rehab assignment, but they will, and they’re going to be back in the lineup. And look teams 19 and 36 season shot. We know that. We’ve known that for a few weeks now. Are there ways it can get better? Sure we were talking about that on the heels of a three game winning streak coming out of Memorial Day, but it was a reminder that, yeah, a three game winning streak isn’t making up for everything. And you kind of see what happened over the last two nights where they didn’t get good pitching, let me be clear about that. But they went four for 31 with runners in scoring position the last two nights. And these were two games where, if you look at it through that lens in terms of, can you get a couple more hits with men on base, then you might win one of these. You know, you might be talking about a series win, you could be talking about a series sweep, but that’s baseball, right? And that’s they’re not good at those things. I mean, they just, they’re not good at anything. Really, we’ve talked about it, I’ve, I’ve used that redeemable quality line. How many times now, over the last few weeks, where you just look at this team and there isn’t a strength, right? I mean, there, there are a lot of really bad things, and even the things that aren’t as bad aren’t very good. So at this point, it really is talking about health. They got Mullins back in the lineup on Wednesday. They got ruchman Back in the lineup on Wednesday, although he struck out three times and continues to hit in a number two hole. I you know, I don’t It’s the belief of Adley rutschman, rather than Adley rutschman At this point, that’s hitting in the in the two spot in the lineup. But part of the problem with that is, you know, you don’t have, you don’t have five guys you feel good about in the lineup, let alone nine to fill out on a nightly basis. So, and that was supposed to be the strength so, you know, another frustrating series. You know, K Povich, it finished in such disappointing fashion. It covered up. I thought he looked really good through the first three innings. I will continue to say what I said to you after the home opener. I still think there’s the makings of a good pitcher in there somewhere. Now, let me be clear what I mean by that. I don’t mean an ace. I don’t mean a number two starter. I’d only mean a number three starter, but back end of the rotation, you know, multi guy, multi inning, swing guy out of the pen. I think K Povich can develop. And he’s someone that I certainly of all the pitchers that they have run out there so far in 2025 he’s at least interesting to me in the sense that, you know, he strikes people out, and you know he needs to continue to develop his change up. That needs to be a way bigger factor for him to try to navigate a lineup three times, and that’s what he ran into trouble with against St Louis on Wednesday night. But you know, those are the things you’re looking for at this point in time. Because it’s not the win loss column. I mean, that’s completely shot at this point. So you’re looking for improvement from individuals, you know? I mean, we’ve talked a lot about Jackson holiday, as awful as this season has been, seeing him very much take a meaningful step or two forward has been great to see. You’d like to see some of his brethren with with the young core, take a few cues from him, because he’s been much better, whereas other guys have either plateaued or regressed. So that’s what you’re kind of looking at at this point. But bringing it back to Wednesday, specifically, you know, you had an early lead. You had a chance. Chance to add to that early lead, and you didn’t really do it. And then Cade povid Does falter third time through the order. And you know, I mean, the bullpen work, you know, they gave up, gave up another run after that. I mean, so, I mean it’s just, they’re just not good enough. I mean, it’s we can continue to get mad and yell about it every day, and that doesn’t mean I’m any less disappointed, right? I’m not going to sit here and say that this team is in a wild, embarrassing, embarrassing disappointment, but at the same time, they’ve told us who they are for now, you just have to like that’s what it is, and can they play better the rest of the way, as they get healthier, sure, is it going to save their season? No, it’s just not. And this week was a reminder of that, after a three game winning streak, and you know, the the eternal optimist tries to talk themselves into some some scenario of getting back into it, and then they lose the next two in such frustrating fashion. So, I mean, it’s, I hate to say this because I don’t mean it to to sound that, but it is what it is. This is a bad baseball team, and they’re going to be, I guess, the good news is they’re going to be playing another bad baseball team this weekend. You know, for supremacy of stink, I guess. You know, as it pertains to the Al with the White Sox coming into town, and certainly wasn’t expecting the Orioles to be duking it out with them, to to be the worst team in the American League. But here we are.
Nestor Aparicio 06:33
Lou Jones is here. He is been covering the Orioles and run around with the Ravens. The OTAs are in progress. You can find all that added Baltimore positive, the the part where we expect this thing to change, when the lineup changes and stuff the runners in scoring position and the left on base thing, and, you know, Palmer is looking for Lauren four for 30 the last two games. It’s all of that in the post game. Yeah, situational hitting. I mean, we can beat on the pitching, and you and I will, and we have, and we have all off season, and have all this season, but at some point it’s uncanny. I mean, they might lead the universe, the history of baseball, in runners left on. I mean, like it, I It’s hard to be a last place team and be this bad with with talent in general. In the big leagues, you have to work hard at it, and the pitching is paramount to that. When they’re losing seven to nothing, but the fact that they get nine hits, 11 hits, 12 hits, and score three and four runs, it’s it’s incredible. It really is.
Luke Jones 07:32
Yeah, I mean, and Palmer, I heard the beginning of the Post game show. You know what he made? The comment, the silver lining is that you did have 31 at bats the last two nights with runners in scoring position. So it shows that you’re getting some guys on base, you’re getting some hits, you’re getting guys in position to score runs, but you just you can’t get the big hit. And you know what? What’s amazing. Nestor, I just looked it up because of what you just said. I mean, they are right now, as they enter Thursday’s off day, they are 26th in weighted runs created with runners in scoring position. Yeah, that’s a nerdy stat, but I’m just trying to give you a stat that has a little more context, batting average with runners in scoring position, 26th the only team’s worst Colorado makes sense. Here’s one for you. The
Nestor Aparicio 08:22
8Colorado sounds like they don’t get runners in scoring position. Here’s one. This one, this one’s
Luke Jones 08:27
and obviously the Mets have been good because of their pitching this year. The Mets are 28th in batting average with runners in scoring position. So go figure on that one. But the others, Texas, who’s already fired their hitting coach and the White Sox, right? So, so this weekend, wow, we’re going to see one team that that hits 213, with runners at scoring position. The other team hits 206, with runners in scoring position. So what, I guess we get more guys on, though, yeah, yeah. I mean, it’s, it certainly feels that way. I mean, they’re, it’s, it is very frustrating. And, you know, I mean, but we’ve been talking about that part of it going back to the second half of last year where maybe it wasn’t this pronounced, but it certainly was something that started showing up and what needs to change. I mean, it’s okay you replace the manager, if they’ve done that. Well, we’re still seeing the same issues. You know, you look to the hitting coaches, you look to the players in the lineup. You look at the order. I’ve already said it. I mean the idea that Adley rutschman And Ryan mountcastle continue to hit high in the order. There’s another there. There are layers to that. And what I mean by that is you want to try to have some semblance of lineup balance. But because I’ve seen a lot of people on social media, and I don’t even necessarily disagree with the sentiment, let me be clear, but I’ve seen a lot of people asking, Why is Ryan O’Hearn still hitting fifth as opposed to hitting second or third? The problem is, when you kind of look at their lineup construction, you don’t want to put just three lefties. In a row, right? Because it just makes things so easy for the opposing manager to just throw a lefty reliever at you if that pocket in the order is coming up. So if you have holiday first, O’Hearn second, Gunner Henderson, third, that that makes it very easy to match up against the top of your lineup. Problem is they don’t have a single right handed hitter other than, I don’t know, Ramona RIAs I don’t really want to hit Ramona Rhea second. And I don’t say that to be disrespectful to him, but like, there’s not a whole lot of upside there. This is where for me, Jordan Westberg, hopefully coming back within the next week or so. Man, that would be the guy to put in the second spot. You can move ruchman down, you can move mount Castle down and try to see if you can balance things out a little more. But the problem is, again, when you’re trying to make an optimal lineup out of two or three hitters that are actually performing, I mean, there’s no such thing, and that’s where I do empathize a little bit with Tony mancillino. Again, I’m not excusing it because, you know, the cynic would also say, well, all these guys stink against left handed pitching anyway, so what’s the difference? Right? And, and I would say to Shay fair point, so, I mean, it’s just they need to get a couple of these guys back. You know, you’re hoping westburg can come back and be a bet the better version of himself and Colton cows are played three games all year, you know, four games before he got hurt, so get those guys back in, and hopefully that means you can shake the lineup up a little bit more. I mean, the lineup, it’s kind of stayed very similar, you know, and that this certainly lends itself to what I’ve been trying to tell people, that Brandon Hyde, this was not a case where Brandon Hyde had full autonomy over the batting order, that that’s a collaborative effort with the front office. And I
Nestor Aparicio 11:47
went through that with Mateo playing center field. Brandon hides gone. He’s still playing center field.
Luke Jones 11:50
Yeah, well, and that, and that was, I mean, obviously you had Mullins out. Lorianna is on the IL I mean, so those are two center fielders right there. I mean, could they put Carlson in center and Mateo and left? Yeah. I mean, I think I would have done that. I’m guessing it has something to do with the Mateo feels like he can get a better read if he’s if he’s going to play the outfield, which is the problem to begin with. But here we are, if he’s going to play the outfield, you can see you can get a better read off the bat playing center field rather than a corner spot. But, I mean, it’s just they don’t have enough good options. It’s a bad team, and the injuries have indeed piled up when it comes to their offense. When you look at the number of guys that were projected to be regulars, or just their position player roster in general, about half of it’s been on the IL here, so that’s going to hurt any team, let alone a team that gets off to a bad start and has guys struggling, and you’re not good situationally, and it’s all in your head at this point, because you’ve struggled going back to last July. I mean, we’ve talked about that House of Cards analogy. I mean, it completely crumbled, and now you’re just trying to pick up the pieces, and that’s where, you know, you look at it and say, kudos to Jackson holiday, kudos to Ryan O’Hearn. I mean, it’s been great to watch them perform, but it’s frustrating that on any given night you have six or seven other guys not performing. So, you know, at this point it really for me, I’m looking at cowser and I’m looking at Westberg coming back, and you know, they should be back here. You would think any day now, you know, they need to play a few games at Norfolk, and that’s fine, and get them back in there. The lineup looks a little more representative on paper, at least in theory, and then you hope it can look better. But again, what are we even talking about here in terms of improvement. I said to you the other day, like, you know, sure if the Orioles Could, could reel off a win 20 or 30, then, yeah, they’d be in, you know, they’d be starting to sniff their way closer to 500 again. But, I mean, they haven’t shown an ability to even have a month where they go 500 let alone, you know, going 20 and 10 or something like that. So it’s just here we are, and it stinks. And, you know, try, I’ve seen people constantly on social media. It’s like, the Orioles elevate their blood pressure on a nightly basis. It’s sort
8Nestor Aparicio 14:15
of like, I And, look, I talked a little bit about this, and I don’t want to get too pissed off because I did yesterday, and I’m not gonna, yeah, that’s what
Luke Jones 14:22
I’m saying. Like, at some point, like, don’t get me started. I don’t want to get myself a panic attack. And
Nestor Aparicio 14:27
now this this clown who owns the team, who puts herself behind home plate, makes bobbleheads and goes running. So, I mean, I’m Barry and Jim Henneman today, I’ll be wind up talking baseball all day with people. I’ve had Rick Vaughn on at length for an hour. I had Charles Steinberg on for an hour talking about what, what made this thing great, what made you care about it and made your father’s love of it transfer to you, and what missed my kids love of mine for it, because my kid doesn’t care my kids. Your agent just doesn’t care. He’s gone. It’s over with for him, he’s not buying into the. Myth, you know, Baltimore’s team and it’s here to save Baltimore. Scary unites community and all of that.
Speaker 1 15:06
8Yeah, just what? Sorry, I didn’t mean to cut you off. That’s right, I do a wall time. The problem, and what you just mentioned about Barry, the problem is you now have a generation coming behind that that was a never was. It’s not a walking away, it’s a never was because of how bad it’s been for most of the last 40 years. So that dude, that is me too. If you had a daughter that was 10 and eight and your life took a different tack, like your sister’s life is unfolded with these daughters,
Nestor Aparicio 15:35
yeah, you better. I mean, you’re gonna try to make them like baseball. You’re gonna try. I
Luke Jones 15:41
am, but I’m also going to feel guilty. You know, maybe that’s where I’ll just I’ll defer to my brain. If
Nestor Aparicio 15:48
you want to play the flute, if you want to do something else, if you want to shoot oops, if you want to lacrosse stick, if you want to be in the arts, if you want to be a computer nerd and do STEM all these other things you can do besides what I did in the 70s and 80s and 90s, which is sit around and learn every baseball statistic that feels really empty to me. And I love our friendship, relationship people to talk baseball with other people that know baseball. I don’t know what to do with it anymore, because I don’t think it’s going to be saved by this guy. And I held out hope. I had tears in my eyes with that creep Whistler Chris Ullman last year on opening day, because I still came back and drank the water of believing in the myth of Disney World like I this is, this is so below the bar. This guy’s put $2 billion into this. He paraded himself around. He paraded his partner around. He’s gone around on television doing the papal wave. And I own the Orioles, and it’s a philanthropy. And I’m friends with this guy, and I love Biden, and I love Trump, and I know Cal and I mean, and kids want pictures with me now, and I get to sign my autograph. Reminded me. I remember when Leon, says, bought the capitals back in the day, seeing him in the upper deck, when it was completely empty, walking around with a sharpie looking for people to sign things, because he was an AOL executive who nobody had ever heard of, and he bought a hockey team, and he got to be famous, and he wasn’t even a CAPS fan. He was a Rangers fan. He’s a New York guy, so the notion that David Rubenstein was going to save the team, make commercials, make funny, funny funnies with Cal and squirt, the squirt zone and all that, when it comes time to being the owner, when you own it, you stand in front of it. I own my house. I own my life. I own this radio station. I own Baltimore positive. I stand in front of it. When you own it, you stand in front of it. There’s an old expression, own it, own it. You own the team. Michaelias runs the team. Katie Griggs, whoever she is, I got one email from her. It was rude. Um, once that happens, what do I owe them? They give you a press credential. Don’t give me one, and they refuse to meet me. Refuse to shake my hand. They refuse to take me seriously, even though there’s hundreds of 1000s of people to follow what we do here. And then they go out and they play like this. They run the team like this. They run scared. They’re nowhere to be found. I can’t find Katie Griggs today. I can’t find michaelias. I can’t find David Rubenstein. And the stadium is empty. You can say weather, whatever it is, and I know why it’s empty. Now, my buddy explained this to me the other night over Costas we were having some crabs. He gave him $2,000 for the Birdland thing, the account, and I’ll just use it whenever I want, at full price. It’s like buying a hotel subscription for five grand, and then the Marriott charges 329 a night for every room, when you could get it for 99 bucks. So that’s where these tickets are. These tickets are all 28 bucks, 30 bucks, 5080, bucks, all that. There’s no $10 get ins. They’re not going to do that because it’s going to undercut the people that have the Birdland membership, because you can’t use that on StubHub. It’s a scam, dude. I don’t know what else to call it. It’s a scam. I see all the signs in the stadium, all these sponsors that won’t talk to me, that give them money, and now nobody’s watching the games. So the sponsors that bought into this, the people that bought into Bal and 98 rock and their ads running, dude, this is where it really ends, right? This is really where it ends. It’s June, ocean cities that way, deep creeks that way. My kids have soccer and this and that, and the pools open in the backyard and concerts. Merriweather, Keith Urban’s down there, Dave Matthews on Saturday night, right? There’s things going on besides shitty baseball for people to do, especially at full price. But. You’ve given them a couple grand, and you’ve got this account, like my buddy does and says, Dude, I have two grand I have to spend. Please go to a game with me. We’ll get the expensive tickets. We’ll sit in the front row well. And I’m like, do I want to sit in the front row watch the White Sox this weekend instead of going to Dave Matthews, when the weather finally gets decent? Maybe so. And here’s where it ends, Luke, it ends on Tuesday night when they start playing at 10 o’clock at night as a last place team in Seattle. That’s when no one sees the ads. That’s when no one’s there. That’s when no one cares. You and I have to get up at five in the morning and pretend we watched it all night. I don’t even know if we’re going to do that, because we didn’t do that when they in 2019 because they stunk and nobody cared. And that’s the part where, I mean, I’m looking through my guest list, if all you love Baltimore positive, you’re gonna get plenty of that this summer, because I can’t get up every morning and do hours of this with you, and you don’t want to do it either. And the part of it is it makes me look like such a dick, because they’re awful. Everything about them is awful. And when people come up to me and say, hey, the new people, how do they treat you? Awful. The baseball is awful. Their treatment of me has been awful. Their treatment of the community has been awful. Their treatment of the media has been awful. Their respect for all of it has been awful. And what’s on the field is awful. And what’s really awful is they’re they’re they’ve evaporated and man, that that tells me where your ticker is, that tells me who you are. Everyone’s a hell of a winner. Let’s have the hot dog races. Let’s run around. Let’s bring the kids down from New York and the Acela. Let’s dress up in a hot dog shoe. I own the Orioles, yeah. Buy everybody beer. Let’s make it rain up in this month. Yeah, let’s go. Let’s buy some social media authenticity. We can buy it. We’ll look like locals because we were in orange. It’s gross. It’s just gross. All of it’s gross. And the part that’s really concerns me, and it always goes back to this. It never, it’s always with the baseball with you, and that’s, that’s good, you’re the reporter. And it’s, Hey, how do we get the team? It has to be fixing the team will figure you can be the nicest
8Luke Jones 22:09
people in the world. No one is paying to go watch bad Major League Baseball. I mean, they just aren’t. You can. You can give away knickknacks and all that. But, you know, that’s the point I always try to make.
Nestor Aparicio 22:19
I wonder if I can press pass on Hispanic night, they have Jewish heritage night, Christian heritage night. I mean, why not Muslim heritage night? Why not Asian baseball night? Why not bring the Kiwanis club out? Why not have Ocean City night? I don’t I mean, how about baseball night? How about gunner Henderson night? How about Adley rushman night? Not David Rubenstein bobblehead night, how about we play baseball? And they’ve gotten so far away from that. Star Wars night, all the the nerd stuff that they do down there. That’s Milk the Cow night, all that, that’s great. You know what made Oriole baseball Great? Charles Steinberg will tell you this week. Rick Vaughn will tell you this week. If Jimmy Henneman were here, he would tell you, it was the team. The team was good, that that’s the team and the humans, Brooks, Frank Boog, Louis Belanger, pick any of them. That’s why Jim Henneman was sobbing back on October 6, 1991 when the stadium closed down and Charles Steinberg told me a half an hour story about making all of us cry, maybe you’re too young to cry, I cry. Um, so I’m crying now at the fact that I get up every morning and talk about this, and I have to Bucha people end up believing there’s some hope. I mean, I can call Bucha a prick and horrible, but they’re competent. They’re competent in their sleaziness. They have competently washed their hands of the kicker and moved on, and people will forget about it, but they win football games, so I have other issues with them, and everything they do is about winning football games, no matter who it hurts, no matter what that massage therapist says it’s about winning football he was a hell of a kicker. We’re glad we kept him around, even though you were whatever you were behind closed doors. So with the baseball team, there has been such incompetence for so long that I’m exasperated. I’m speechless on the other end of Angelo’s in 19 years of this, and Wes Moore coddling up with the former owner and the owner making a mockery of everything, including Kevin Brown. And these people are running and they’re in last place, and the stadium’s empty, and they’re all getting paid, and no one cares, but you and me and everybody else who’s pissed off that they put money into this because they’re not getting my buddy’s money again, dude, and all these people that gave them money this year, who aren’t the bleeding hearts, who weren’t out there watching Rio Ruiz, and they. Straley, that’s your new favorite name. I’ll continue to use that. I love Chico Simone better, but he was a winner. I don’t know what to say when people come up to me and want to talk baseball with me and say, look at the owner. He’s hiding. He put a bobble head out four weeks ago. Look at the president of the team. She’s come to town knows no one and doesn’t care to know people like me. Greg Bader still got a job over there running the television network. Hollander was awful on the air this week, just like they’re all running scared for their jobs. The team so bad that they can’t say what you and I say, and I don’t even want to sit here and bitch about it all morning. Been doing that for 25 years. It’s terrible and and it’s it does f with my mental health. It really does. It makes me think, what did I do with my life to put this stupid sports radio station together to glorify these sports teams that say they’re community oriented? I know better. You know, who’s community oriented? Me. I’ve lived here my whole life. I’ve seen it all, every minute of every day. I’m one of the few left that can call it what it is. Steinberg’s gone. He’s up in Worcester. Rick Vaughn stand in Florida. They’ve been gone for a long, long time, and they watched this from afar, and they don’t see anything that they recognize as what built it and made it great. They see Cal Ripken looking old and punchy, but like other than that, he’s behind home plate. All the rest of it, it looks like orange, but it doesn’t have anything to do with the philosophy of what made this great, what got the stadium built. They don’t have any of that. They don’t have it in their soul. I saw that when I said to David Rubenstein, there’s 10,000 empty seats in Yelp. I was respectful to him, man. I didn’t go into his temple and act like a jerk. I went up, I shook his hand like a man. I’m 56, years old, and I said, I do sports radio. My name’s Aparicio. Those empty seats. That’s trauma in this community, Mr. Rubenstein, there’s trauma in this community respect that respond to that and treat people better than the other people did. And you’ve said to me privately, and I’ll give you the oxygen here this morning, since I’m pissed off all over again because they’re in last place and it’s not June, and they’re irrelevant. Even though we’re talking about them, they are relevant. You have said at various points in regard to them that they respected the Angelo’s people enough that they didn’t change much. So a year and a half into this, what have they changed? Sound System,
Luke Jones 27:40
they’re they’ve got a bunch of money from the state that they’re going to be doing renovations.
Nestor Aparicio 27:44
8We saw what the Ravens did with that, right? They turned into the T Rowe Price money and a club level that none of us will ever get in that used to be the press
Luke Jones 27:50
box. Well, that’s that’s also stadia in 2025 in America. I mean, it’s
Nestor Aparicio 27:57
not Lamar makes 50 million a year, you know,
Luke Jones 27:59
but public money for stadium. I mean, that’s how it works. If not, they’re gonna go somewhere else and get it right. I mean, that’s, you know, what we’re seeing. I’ve seen that with Oakland, and I’m
8Nestor Aparicio 28:09
not saying they should do that, but don’t bullshit me about where the money’s going to see better. No, it’s, it’s, it’s going to make a billionaire more profitable. It’s, but that’s always beautiful bill with this orange clown that’s kissing up the Russia like it don’t, but that’s always,
Luke Jones 28:25
that’s always been, what’s sold, the bill of goods that’s sold, about public funding for stadiums. I mean, there are very people have done case studies,
Nestor Aparicio 28:34
the yards change the complexion of the city. I did. It did for a time. It went down there 80 times a year. Now they’re not going and they could put anything they want into that stadium, this side of the Pope, or Bruce Springsteen, and it’s, it’s a beautiful, empty stadium, is what it is with that really has no soul. I mean, you know, like, literally, it’s had no winning. It’s had no expelman Young and Cal Ripken running around and the Pope and Billy Joel Paul McCartney. And you know, it is. It makes me sad to go down there, Luke, and it has for a long, long time, for a long, long time, and I’ve been open and honest about that. I go down there and all I see is pissed away potential. Yeah, for my community
Luke Jones 29:22
8to bring it back to the here and now,
Nestor Aparicio 29:24
and they’re picking the here and now, if they’re pissing it away. And that’s what shocks me. This guy spent $2 billion he came in. He’s missing, yeah, but, but he didn’t expect, and this is we didn’t know what he was getting into. He He’s naive.
Luke Jones 29:38
I don’t, I don’t know. I disagree
Nestor Aparicio 29:39
with that characterization, walk away, make a lot of money when he flips it. So that’s but in terms of what, in
8Luke Jones 29:45
terms of what ownership was getting into, no one expected the team to be in the position they’re in, in 2025 you and I didn’t, let’s, let’s, let’s not act like you. And I thought they were going to be a last place team this year. Everyone was wrong. We picked a hell of a time to buy the team, and. But everyone was wrong about this. Yeah, and so from that standpoint, I don’t empathy is the wrong word. I can understand being shell shocked, thinking that you were buying something that, at least from a baseball standpoint, looked like it was a Lamborghini and but
Nestor Aparicio 30:17
the 10,000 empty seats last October were really problematic as to the I understand,
Luke Jones 30:21
but I don’t know what. I don’t see the connection with that, with how they’re playing right that’s, I’m talking about, how they’re playing right now.
Nestor Aparicio 30:27
8The connection in that is some sort of a commitment. When you have that many empty seats in a playoff game, that you have to go all in and work harder than you’ve ever worked, in a way like, you know, Rick Vaughn said to me, it was hard work building that baseball team in the 1980s it was hard work. Everybody rolled their sleeves up. Lucchino, Edward Bennett, we’ve ever thought they were moving into DC. They weren’t trusted by any of the reporters. I mean, that’s what we talked about. Jim Edmond, Jim Henneman, thought the team was moving to DC always. So they never trusted it. The reporters never trusted any BW or any of them. So they had to work harder, be more present. Be more trusting, be more everything to get this, this place built, especially after the Colts left town right. Yeah. So there’s a whole thing that went on with those guys building this thing that this billionaire has come in and done the Papa wave and gives autographs and and, you know, it seeks anonymity while he seeks fame and makes bobble heads of himself, and he hides, telling the team a year and a half, I shook his hand. He turned away from me, like I would, like I was a ghost, like it was rude. It was just rude. I don’t know what else to say. Why would I seek him out again? Why would I want to have him on the air, other than if he wants to come on the air and be honest, his handle is not going to allow that. I met that clown. Yeah. I mean, this has been a clown show for a year and a half. It really has been, I mean, and then I don’t know what else to say. Now, they’re in last place. We We talk baseball every day, but they should be doing everything to get out front of this when the seats were empty last October. Caravan this, players, owners, ticket sale, like all of that, a real effort, a sales effort to recruit the community. Recruit the community. You got 98 rock, you got Bal in your pocket, Justin Tucker’s bad news
Luke Jones 32:20
everywhere. And if they had done that and they played like this, it’d be a disaster either way. I agree with that. I mean, again, the lead for 2025 is that the baseball team is in shambles right now, and no one thought that everything else you say applies, and yes and certainly applies over the last three
Nestor Aparicio 32:38
decades. The lead is no one knows what to do about it now that it’s happened.
Luke Jones 32:44
And that’s, that’s where, if I, if I am putting myself in David Rubenstein shoes, I’m shocked, because I thought, I thought I had a good baseball man running the show here, and maybe not. I mean, whether Michael Iceman,
8Nestor Aparicio 32:58
I didn’t think I had a guy with fire his manager on Saturday and high to Milwaukee on Tuesday. Mean that to me, you’re fired on Wednesday. You’re fired on Monday, if you’re not standing in front of this. I mean, for God’s sake. I mean, where is the leadership this guy? Manzalino, looks like a little league coach. He speaks like a JV Community College, like it’s just yeah, it’s subpar. Fred Hollander making excuses for him all night. Homer, shaking his head and looking for Lauren like I should have signed up for less games.
Luke Jones 33:30
Well, and the props either. It’s not even June man, I was talking about this with with a friend on Wednesday night. The problem with this is in 19 and 20 and 21 when they were losing at this very similar clip. And that’s not to say they’re going to lose 110 games this year, but they’re a losing team, and they’re going to be a losing team, and maybe they, maybe they find a way to go on a run to somehow finish 500 but they’re not. They’re gonna be sitting at home in October. The difference is, in those years, you were selling Adley rutschman down at double A you were selling gunner Henderson coming up through the miners. You were selling the number one overall pick that you just took. You had the number one farm system in baseball,
Nestor Aparicio 34:19
and you fulfill that promise at 101 wins? Yeah,
Luke Jones 34:23
8sure, but now it’s fallen apart. As I’ve said, I don’t think it’s impossible to salvage this thing and get it back on track, but do you have the wherewithal to do it? Are you willing to to make changes, if you’re michaelias and this front office, are you willing to be introspective to the point to recognize we shouldn’t have done that we screwed up on that we’re lacking in this area? We’ve got to pivot here. We’ve got to get rid of this and bring this in, whether we’re talking about manager player development, something in our farm system. I mean, you kind of I. I said this somewhat flippantly to someone, but you kind of look at how the Orioles have operated with their farm system and these young players, if they were relegated to the International League, they’d have a dynasty. Because look at all their prospects. They get to triple A and they’re amazing, and yet guys get called up to the majors, and we’ve seen this pattern repeat. Now Jackson holiday, thankfully, looks like he’s broken that. But how many of these guys have gone to the majors? And you know Kyle Stowers, we thought, okay, he’s a quad a player, all right, you move them. Well, look what he looks like now he’s on his way to being an all star for the Miami Marlins. Now that might be an isolated thing, but boy, you better look at everything you’re doing and figure out why that happened, why that turned out the way it did. Because where are the blind spots, where what needs to be adjusted, what needs to be thrown out entirely, what needs to be added, what needs to be augmented. Do you need a manager that has more clout in terms of experience, you know, in the way that you thought of Buck Showalter coming in 15 years ago doesn’t mean I’m saying Buck individually. But do you need a manager that carries more cachet in that way? Do you need a coaching staff that has more meaningful Major League experiences that, and I don’t mean just like hire any any name, but is there something to that? Are you lacking from a human element standpoint, is there something that, from an emotional intelligence standpoint, that’s lacking in your way that you’re interacting, right? Or are their interpersonal skills lacking somewhere? Look, I don’t know the answers to all I’ve said this to you. I’m dumbfounded that it’s been this bad, right? I’m I’m still struggling. Why it’s this bad. I can tell you the obvious things that we see. You know, we talked about the pitching, right? I’ve been dumbfounded that their offense, even before the injury started piling up, has been as mediocre to bad as it’s been when you thought it was going to be something that was elite, that was going to carry your pitching, and it’s not even that. I mean, they still wouldn’t be that great, even with their pitching being, you know, just below average to average rather than horrendous. So you know that to me right now, regardless of the leadership piece and the lack of talking to the media piece that we talked about, you know, in the aftermath of Hyde being let go, if I’m ownership, if I’m this front office, man, you there better be a lot of soul searching going on right now, you know, but because if you’re just kind of sitting back and just shrugging your shoulders. Then, boy, then they are. So if
Nestor Aparicio 37:44
the only message to your fans is what Melanie Newman selling in the pregame show, like, if that’s your outreach, literally, that’s their outreach at this point, put massive on it might be massive one, it might be massive two, if it’s a rain delay, Bader, won’t even put up on the screen that there’s a rain delay. Like, I’ve gone to both channels a couple of days ago, and I’m like, Are they playing? Are they not last with the last Saturday morning? But they’ve kicked so many games around, like the fact that people find them and the fact that it’s pouring rain. I’m looking out the window here, it’s pouring rain, and I’m thinking, they can’t be playing. And I checked my app at 615 and I don’t see a delay. And then, sure enough, there’s a delay, but not too long of a delay, and it’s 715 I look up and they’re in the second inning. They’re a last place team. See, you know why I seek them out. It’s my job. This is what I do. It’s all I’ve ever done. If it weren’t my job, I would never watch them again. I could admit that out loud, like I’m not that entertained by it anymore. I certainly wouldn’t pay for it. And I’m wondering when they go to Seattle and play in the middle of the night. They’re going not even going to Oakland. By the way, no one’s staying up late to watch Sacramento, right? I mean, they’re just going to go away. They’re irrelevant. This Bob haney’s word back in the day, irrelevant like and that’s where they are, and that should anger guys like you and me that dedicate our lives to it. It should, it should, it should. It should anger. It’s angered my buddy that spent $2,000 giving him money, and all these people that gave them money, and the stadium is empty. At some point these people have to come down there and spend the money. And grudgingly, well, really,
Luke Jones 39:21
what should happen if you’re an organization that has a clue, would be to recognize that and you start discounting the heck out of stuff for those people who have already spent the money, or you
Nestor Aparicio 39:34
were for once, baby Bucha, you work out that,
8Luke Jones 39:37
or you work out possibilities that you can roll a certain percentage of that into next year, right? And start, start thinking
Nestor Aparicio 39:44
about it. The guy with the $22,000 here’s some $10 tickets tonight. You
Speaker 1 39:48
start. Yeah, here’s some $10 tickets. And also, we can’t roll the entire balance into next year, but we’ll roll $400 of that in the next year. For you. Like, you know, team will be better. Like, you know. However you want to sell, they better get on that yesterday. 1,000% agree with you on that, especially if their
Nestor Aparicio 40:06
8general manager is going to run like a coward. He is, Luke. He’s Baltimore, Luke. He’s watching baseball. I’m watching baseball. That’s the thing, dude. And this is, this does appeal more to the prick in me, and the fact that I’ve got 56 years into this, and Katie Griggs has 56 minutes since making a million dollars a year and won’t return my phone calls. The amount of time that you and I have dedicated to this and your love of it. You love it. I don’t love it anymore. And not clear about that. I do it. I know more than anybody, especially when I get together with people like Charles Steinberg and Rick people real OGS bearing Jim Henneman this week, who was the Encyclopedia of all encyclopedia Baltimore baseball history, Charles Steinberg now in line. And if you listen to it, you’ll know that, um, and they’re long gone and they’re never to return. The fact that blows me away, if you listen to Rick Vaughn and Charles Steinberg is the fact that if I had $2 billion and I bought the baseball team, they’d have been the first people I called, not necessarily to hire them, but they love the Orioles. You love the Orioles more than
Luke Jones 41:11
institutional knowledge. What works in Baltimore? What doesn’t work in Baltimore? What do you think we should do, from watching from afar, one instead
Nestor Aparicio 41:20
of getting a headhunter to find a woman in Seattle who ran a soccer team in Atlanta five years ago, that’s largely the way it’s
Luke Jones 41:28
eight years that’s largely the way of the world in the modern era. I mean, everyone thinks they’re an expert, and a lot, you know, there are a lot of people out there, and I don’t, because she has data. I don’t mean this in battle. I don’t mean this in baseball, just in general, like we all because we have the internet, because we have social media, because we have access to more information than ever, than than anyone in the history of civilization, because of this and the laptop I’m using right now to speak to you, right? I mean, we’re not in the same room right now there, it’s very easy to fall into the mindset that you know everything and you’re good and you don’t need help, and you have all the answers. You know, some people that I value as the smartest people in my life, in my life, you know, in my space, are people who recognize they don’t know everything. And yeah, you can use the internet and yeah, you can use research and yeah, use all that data. Data is good. You know, one thing that that’s become very obvious, as the Orioles are in this disaster of a 2025 season, you see some of the old argument of analytics versus old school. The answer is not one or the other. The answer, the answer is a healthy blend of taking the best part of analytics and blending it with the best part of old school, knowing that one or the other in isolation, no is not good enough, by the way. Rick Vaughn, who works with and for Joe Maddon and has for 20 years, you need Rick brought Joe Madden up as Joe would sit in there and question everything. That’s why they don’t want a guy like Joe around. Joe questions the analytics. Analytics are great. And anyone would tell you that analytics, you know, anyone that’s old school, I would laugh in their face too and say, You’re a dinosaur. You need to adapt. Because we know a lot more about baseball from a statistical standpoint than we did 30 or 40 or 50 years ago, which, by the way, that’s how it’s supposed to work. We should get smarter over time, but you also have to be careful to recognize, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water in the in the in the sense of you have all this other information. Don’t completely discredit
8Nestor Aparicio 43:35
5 million people, a lot of them major league baseball fans, voted for this chump, this charlatan to run the country. It was anti science, anti data, anti facts, anti books, anti everything. So that’s the nature of the culture to elect this guy who says there is no climate change, this foul weather we’ve had for 11 days is normal in May, when it’s 58 degrees and tornadoes and like that. Hit Dundalk two weeks ago. It’s all normal, because there is a movement in this country, in this culture, to hate data, hate science, hate facts, hate history, hate melding what is history and what is factual with what is now. If they did that, they would see more in Hitler than they’ve seen in this this guy that’s running the country, but people here don’t know about any of that stuff, and they want to follow their heart, and their heart is, it’s the Orioles, and I love them, and I’ll tell you this man, when I had Vaughn on, and specifically Steinberg, Steinberg, and I really got into it This week. Fantastic fans. Night. How old were you? 419?
Luke Jones 44:45
88 so I would have been five that October, May
Nestor Aparicio 44:47
of 88 you were four, right? I don’t know that you could even conceive, no that they could get 52,000 people out. Out there, if they lose every game this weekend, and they lose all next week, and the city would feel so sorry for them and so brotherly, familial, supportive of them that they would want to give them a hug and pack the stadium. Remember, Toronto packed the stadium for $1 when they had SARS. That
Luke Jones 45:19
8was also like, but it was also five years after their last World Series, and five years on the heels of 20 years of being arguably the class of saying
Nestor Aparicio 45:28
that’s how loved they were. That’s where their brand was no question. That’s I put that for that FQ, I sent it Katie Greggs that that Saatchi and Saatchi when you’re loved and respected, and you have loved or respected here after 30 and like, they’re just not and they they need to figure
Luke Jones 45:45
out on a wide scale. No. I mean, you know, I look, are there still people who love the Orioles? Absolutely, there’s still plenty of, and I don’t mean apologists. I mean people that still love the team, right? People who still will be critical. Still like to go now, they might not go as much as they used to, or they might not go as much when they’re losing or, you know, whatever the case, but there’s still plenty of people who love it. But let’s face it, and this is part of what I talk about, as far as lost generations. And you know, I made the analogy talking about, you know, Barry, for example, compared to me, you know, we’re similar in age, but I think you’ll find that more and more, the people that love the team love it because someone else loved it when it was truly something special. If I based, and I’ve, and this is tough for me to say, because I’ve been covering the team, you know, for a long time now. But as far as just my lifetime, if I never got into sports media and just talked about my lifetime as an Orioles fan at this point, I’d absolutely be questioning, like, why do I do this? I love them because my dad did. I love them because my grandparents did and my mom did back then, you know, she doesn’t, you know. I mean, she doesn’t even have mass and at this point in time, you know. And I don’t say that to you know, what
Nestor Aparicio 47:07
about them would make you love them at this point well, and but
8Luke Jones 47:10
that’s the thing you’re chasing. You’re you’re cheering on ghosts. And I don’t mean that to be morbid in the sense that Brooks Robinson is gone now and Frank Robinson’s gone now. I mean that more in the sense of just the memory of them on the field in the glory days of you know, going from 1966 through 1983 and all the
Nestor Aparicio 47:30
years he that has this $2,000 and I’ll keep bringing him up. He is an avid sports card collector. He has a Brooks Robinson collection. All that like he but I haven’t been to a baseball game within 30 years. I even know he had this baseball card collection until he told me. He said that that I had a baseball card collection. I was a kid. We knew each other. He’s like, I always loved your collection. I like the cards. I like the way they feel, but I don’t go. I mean, I don’t think my buddy has been to 10 Orioles games in the last 15 years, and he gave him two grand this year because of that feeling that he used to have that he couldn’t have with Angelo’s because he’s also in the legal space. So he knew better that, hey, this is new and different. I’m going to be a stake. I’m going to get in because I am getting older, and I want to go back to the ballpark with friends, and I want to and I’ve said that to Leonard. I said that to all of our clients, and to be clear and even with you, I wanted. I thought that when this guy bought the team, I literally thought when I had tears in my eyes behind the club level last opening day, 15 months ago, for 14 months ago, I thought at that point I was real close to sitting next to you in the press box and getting my life back and doing what God put me here to do, which is do sports and do Baltimore sports. I thought that that was going to happen. And by May 15 of last year, I knew that wasn’t going to happen. And by May 16 of last year, I’ve just said, You know what, I don’t need to sit in the press box and eat shitty hot dogs with you. I don’t need to go down there 80 times a year if they don’t want me there. The game’s on TV here, but, but here’s where I was going to say this a few minutes ago. You and I got gone a lot longer in this lot longer in this than I thought we were going to, um, I’m not going to quit on them, because that’s what they want. They want me to go. They want people like pricks like me to go away, like with David Rubenstein. I shook his hand and I said, there’s been trauma here. And he went. He just like, I didn’t hear that, yeah, he literally on the, on the on the I don’t know if it’s an altar. I don’t want to use the wrong word, whatever the center stage is at Beth to Philo. I was out there. I shook he literally. I waited to the end, and he didn’t have anybody else to shake a hand. He had done selfies and autographs and baseballs and everything. I waited to the end so I could have a word with this human who bought the baseball team and said that he loved my cousin on the air, right? So I my dude. I didn’t have a minute and 10 seconds with him. I introduced myself, I shook his hand. I said, Mr. Rubenstein, there’s been a lot of trauma here. I don’t want to hear that. I. Okay, dude, okay, all right, man, that’s, that’s my professional opinion of 35 years of doing this better than anybody this side of Jim Henneman forever, you know, and these people don’t have a clue. That’s the sad part is they don’t know how to fix it. The sad part is, I want to walk away and never watch it again and just not care about it anymore. But that would be too that if you make it too easy on them, like Chad steel throwing me out, just thinking I was just gonna, like, not show up or not send you over there and not keep my business in order, like just all the stuff that these teams have done. It’s just they’re sleazy, man. The ravens are sleazy. The Orioles, I don’t like sleazy. They’re just incompetent. The Orioles are incompetent right now. There’s a there’s a there is a naivete and a lack of competency. And it’s been that way ever since Greg Bader has been running them. I mean, like John Angelo’s incompetent. All these people, you know how I know they’re incompetent. They had a winning team the last two years, and they couldn’t get people to come to Sydney upper deck for 10 bucks in the playoffs. And this is the same franchise that got 52,000 people to run out there and pay full price. Full price when the team lost 21 games in a row, because we love them that much, and we’re still, either still eating off that or trying to, and that’s your point. Your point is everything that filters down to these people going out there. Everybody’s still going out there. Either remembers fantastic fans night, or their mother, father were there. Yeah, and, and that’s why they’re hanging on,
Luke Jones 51:20
yeah. I mean, what since Cal Ripken in 95 do Cal Ripken 24 years? I mean, we’re, we’re gonna be talking about the 30th anniversary of 2131 the this, you know, this September. But you know, you to your point you made a little bit earlier in the segment. I mean, you can count on can count on one hand the number of truly special things that have happened since then. You know two hands. Let’s say, you know, I don’t want to be too unfair, but you know domin young, you know Cal’s retired. Let’s say, from the moment Cal retired in 2001 domin Young. Eddie Murray, 500 night, nobody was there. I mean, that was 9630 years ago. Um, you know,
Nestor Aparicio 52:06
8the 230 years in a stadium to talk about things that happened. It’s, that’s pathetic,
Luke Jones 52:11
yeah. And as far as players that really resonated over the last, over the last 20 years, Adam Jones, I think Adam Jones really resonated now, not, I’m not going to put Adam Jones on the same level as Brooks, right? For one thing, it’s a, you know, the world is way different than it was back then. I mean, it absolutely is. But in terms of players in the last 15 or 20 years, now that they’ve had good ball players, I mean, Manny Machado is going to be a Hall of Famer, but, but as far as a player who really connected in a way that resembles anything like the old guard kind of Adam Jones, and that’s kind of it. And you know, a few playoff teams well, and
Nestor Aparicio 52:53
everybody else who was associated with BJ serhoff, Mike bordick, right? It’s not to say they haven’t been here, but they’ve mistreated those people. Yeah, Jerry Crowley
Luke Jones 53:03
and again. So much of that is just, you don’t have that anymore. And you know that the idea that people would break bread with the Colts and sit there and have a beer with art Donovan like, that doesn’t happen. That’s not coming back. You better sell something else. So, yeah, sure, sure. But I’m just saying, like in any market, you don’t see that, but at the same time, you know, you did have this team. That man won 101 games two years ago. It’s the best Orioles team regular season wise, best Orioles team of my lifetime. Think about that. I mean, this
8Nestor Aparicio 53:34
time a year ago, I was with my wife that Yankee series. You talk about when they all fell apart right around this time last year. I remember 11 months fashioned speech to my wife. That’s the best team I’ve ever seen. Them have the best potential they’ve as all
Luke Jones 53:48
these young guys. And it’s just it’s completely fallen apart since then. And again, I can’t fully explain it. That’s where michaeliason, ownership, everyone involved behind the scenes has to be taken a long look at all of this. It’s not just a couple bad decisions in the off season, although that’s certainly a major part of it. It’s not just the pitching, it’s not just the injuries, it’s not just some young players regressing or not taking the next step. It’s all of those things, all of that, and so much more behind the scenes that might be causing this. And I’m not, I’m not implying like any shadiness or anything like that, but there are clearly things that are missing or things that aren’t being done. Well, you know, from a baseball standpoint, and then, you know, to your point, with ownership, you walked into something that I don’t know this, but I’m assuming the mindset of the new ownership group was you were inheriting something that was looking so promising from a baseball standpoint that you could kind of come in and cruise. And that’s not to
Nestor Aparicio 54:56
say that, and you weren’t going to have to make hard decisions. Should Right, right? And that’s not to have any scrutiny. There wasn’t
Luke Jones 55:02
8going to be some work to be done, or any of that. I mean that that would be naive to think that they didn’t that. And that’s where we go back to, you know, how many changes that they made to the business and different things like, see the 10,000
Nestor Aparicio 55:13
empty seats for a playoff game in October. That’s
Luke Jones 55:17
red that’s a red flag, big time. Yes, I agree, but then when the baseball part of it falls apart. Now you have this group where I think they’re very much, I’m guessing, the there’s very much a sense of, oh my gosh, what do we do? We didn’t sign up for this. And I’m not saying that to empathize.
Nestor Aparicio 55:37
I know the one thing you can’t do is
8Luke Jones 55:38
hide from your fans. Fair, fair. That’s why I know. That’s why I know. That’s why I said, I mean, that’s called Leadership. That’s called Basic accountability. You can’t be loved and respected if this is the way you’re going to behave. Sure, and you know, not by me. The fact, the fact that Mike Elias didn’t talk until Milwaukee three days later, was shameful behavior from the organization. And if you really wanted to truly do it the right way. It should have been David Rubenstein sitting next to michaelias for a press conference, even if they didn’t do it that Saturday makes some sort of effort to do it Sunday morning, before the finale, before you’re going back on the road and say, Look, we didn’t do this yesterday. We know a lot of you were at Preakness and you know, we know that would have been tough for the media. We did what we did yesterday. We were trying to just get we were trying to stay above water when we decided to let go of Brandon. But we needed to be in front of this. We wanted to talk to you. They did none of that. And how much of that is Mike Elias making that decision? How much of that is David Rubenstein, how much of that is PR, how much of that, how
Nestor Aparicio 56:39
much of that is arrogance and a lack of courage, how much of that is arrogance and a lack of courage? That’s what I would call that. Luke, I will break it because White Sox are in town, we can mix the games. Luke Jones can be found in Baltimore. Luke, I don’t want to play the pissed off guy on the radio all day. That’s why I’m going to talk to other people. But if you have not heard the Charles Steinberg piece, if you’ve not heard the Rick Vaughn piece, I would highly encourage you do that. I’ve also honored Jim Irsay this week, and people don’t want to hear that, but it’s just where it is. I’ve had Rick venturi on. I’ve had, uh, because we wondered the Colts left, whatever happened to them? What did they become? What did it become for that city? I’m taking all that on like a grown up all these years later, because it has been no 41 years. I am Nestor. We are wnst. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, till times get better. Free beer for everybody here at Baltimore, positive stay with us.
