Bill Cole and Nestor discuss the summer calling of Maryland business to Ocean City

If you’ve seen our Baltimore Positive threads the past two weeks, you know we were in Ocean City discussing the future of Maryland with key business leaders, politicians and influencers in an sea of conferences, parties, beers and cheer. Bill Cole and Nestor discuss the summer calling of Maryland business to Ocean City and what happens after you meet new people…

Nestor Aparicio and Bill Cole discussed the summer activities in Maryland, focusing on the MACo conference in Ocean City. Nestor highlighted his 27th anniversary celebrations, including events at various locations like Faidley’s, Pizza John’s, and Coatas Timonium. Bill shared his experiences at the BMW event and the importance of solar energy. They also touched on the political landscape, including discussions on wind energy and the impact of elections. Nestor emphasized the significance of MACo as a platform for open dialogue and the beauty of Maryland’s Blackwater Refuge. They also shared their favorite local eateries and the joy of discovering new culinary experiences.

MACo Conference and Summer Activities

• Nestor Aparicio discusses his busy schedule, including getting Ravens tickets and attending various events like Fatleys, Pizza John, and Timonium.
• Nestor mentions celebrating Mako with Bill Cole and the sponsorship of WNST tech service.
• Bill Cole talks about finding a 100-year anniversary mug for Nestor.
• Nestor and Bill discuss their summer activities, including spending time with their kids and the challenges of having full conversations due to constant interactions with others.

Gratitude and Community Interactions

• Bill Cole expresses gratitude for the interactions and kindness he experiences during events like Mako.
• Nestor shares his experience of not going out drinking and enjoying a coconut cake.
• Bill talks about hosting clients and teammates at BMW.
• Nestor mentions seeing various people, including the governor, at golf events and his experience at Curio.

Bill Cole’s Business and Energy Solutions

• Nestor asks Bill Cole to explain his business, including commercial roofing and solar energy.
• Bill discusses the complexity of the energy world and the impact of government policies on solar financing.
• Nestor and Bill agree on the importance of elections and the need for solar to stand on its own two feet.
• Bill emphasizes the role of businesses in navigating policy changes and providing energy solutions.

Political Discussions and Mako Conference

• Nestor shares his experience at the Mako conference in Ocean City, including interactions with various political figures and discussions on wind energy.
• Nestor mentions his hope for open-minded conversations and the importance of understanding different perspectives.
• Bill and Nestor discuss the demographic shift at events like Mako and the next generation’s leadership.
• Nestor highlights the importance of Mako as a place for open dialogue and hope for the future.

Food and Travel Experiences

• Nestor talks about his food tour and the importance of featuring places he loves, including his favorite Chinese and Italian joints.
• Bill shares his love for food and his open-minded approach to trying different cuisines.
• Nestor recommends visiting Blackwater Refuge and Hooper’s Island, emphasizing the beauty and history of the area.
• Bill and Nestor discuss their favorite places to eat, including Captain Harvey’s and Pizza John’s.

Cheesesteak Exploration and New Discoveries

• Nestor shares his experience of finding a new cheesesteak place, Ionis in New Castle, Delaware.
• He describes the interaction with the owner, Mike, and the quality of the roast pork sandwich.
• Nestor emphasizes the importance of fresh, good food and the joy of discovering new places.
• Bill mentions a friend who uses Wawa hoagie rolls for homemade cheesesteaks, highlighting the authenticity of Wawa’s rolls.

Nestor’s 27th Anniversary Food Tour

• Nestor outlines his plan for a 27-day food tour, featuring different types of food and places he loves.
• He mentions his favorite Thai place, Happy China, and the importance of the environment and people in enhancing the dining experience.
• Nestor discusses his loyalty to certain places and the importance of supporting local businesses.
• He emphasizes the variety of food he will feature, including items that are less than $10.

Final Thoughts and Future Plans

• Nestor and Bill discuss the importance of open-minded conversations and the role of events like Mako in fostering these discussions.
• Nestor shares his excitement for the upcoming food tour and the variety of places he will visit.
• Bill expresses his gratitude for the interactions and the opportunity to learn from others.
• Nestor thanks Bill Cole and Cole Roofing for their sponsorship and support over the years.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Maryland business, Ocean City, Mako conference, solar energy, commercial roofing, energy policy, political discussions, food tour, Baltimore positive, sports coverage, community engagement, local businesses, Maryland lottery, crab cake tour, Blackwater refuge.

SPEAKERS

Nestor Aparicio, Bill Cole

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T am 1570 tassel, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive. I swear I’m going to change the damn logo. It’s our 27th year. Our 27th anniversary. All brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery. I’m getting ravens tickets this week. Crab cake tour is on. I’m getting all over the place. I’m going to be at fatleys. I’m going to be at Pizza John. It’s going to be Costas and Timonium. We’re going to be we’re going to be back downtown. It’s lunch in Fells Point, and then we’re going to end it at Coco’s next Wednesday. As we get ready for Raven season, Luke is out on the farm. Luke is in the city. We’re watching the baby birds sometimes at least a little bit. I was down at the beach last week celebrating Mako with this guy. He sponsors our W, N, S T tech service, which will be getting cuts and injuries and this and that. And the Orioles will be calling up some guy you’ve never heard of. And who the heck knows, Bill Cole is here. He is. Especially when I’m at Mako, it’s like, which Bill Cole you with? He would have Bill Cole with that bill Cole, the bill Cole of Cole roofing, by the way, I attacked uh, Joe Enoch and that group at the Mako conference, and I said, Look, man, I need somebody around there to find 100 year anniversary mug, the one that I broke in the sink about eight months ago. Can you can you get me a mug? Dude,

Bill Cole  01:26

yeah, I can. I can make that happen. I think we have a few floating

Nestor Aparicio  01:29

around. Not the big, tall one, a little you can’t handle the tall one. I guess I already knocked out over on a board one morning. You know? Yeah, we don’t need

Bill Cole  01:39

that kind of accident, especially with

Nestor Aparicio  01:40

the way the Orioles have played. But how are you dude? Like, you’re like, Mia, but not in my world. I see you, and we’re here and we’re there and we’re everywhere. You got kids, and they’re playing this and doing that, and it’s summer, but like, you’ve been, like, guilted into doing the show today, and not even by me, because, like, you know, I mean, like, I’m good. I’m out eating donuts. I’m out eating Thai food, tastiness, all of that, I mean, and I saw you last week, even though, like when you and I try to get together, we never get to the finish line unless it’s pretty hard. We’re almost literally, like a romance. You’d have to take a walk on the beach, because that’s the only way we’re getting lost from people. Because you and I start a sentence and we can’t finish it because somebody comes in and they start kissing on you and elbowing on me and drinking, and there we are in Ocean City.

Bill Cole  02:29

No, I It’s been a crazy summer, and I think what I sort of love most about last week was is like it feel it just fills me full, like gratitude right now you gotta, I kind of gotta recognize what that feeling is and put that name to it. But yeah, the fact that you and I can’t have a full conversation because there’s so many other people that just want to interact with us on whatever different level that is, is pretty, pretty awesome stuff, right? Like the you’re just putting the kindness, the good vibes out there, and when you’re in a room full of people and they want to come talk to you like, I love that, and make us wonderful, because I get the most joy out of like, meeting someone new, and then be like, Oh, listen, you need to come over here and meet this person, because you guys definitely should do business together, or you should just know each other because you’re good people, or whatever. So I love all that.

Nestor Aparicio  03:30

I think, um, the fact that I quacked out on Thursday night, didn’t go out drinking, makes me 50 or something. Like, didn’t even go up the dumpsters and get an ice cream cone. I do, you know, I do nothing, right? But, um, I, I did have that coconut cake is what I had.

Bill Cole  03:49

The gratitude continues because I wasn’t even there on Thursday, because I got in the car Thursday morning and drove up to the BMW so we could, we could host clients and take some of my teammates and all that good stuff. So

Nestor Aparicio  04:04

yeah, that was a bit of a different Yeah, it was a different vibe with golf, I would agree. And I saw people Wednesday and Thursday and Friday and Saturday, including the governor on down, who then a day later, are out on a golf course. And it was bacon out there on Sunday. I was, I was a guest of curio. I’m wearing my, I’m a blunt person shirt on behalf of my curio friends, and seeing them on Sunday out there. But I just, I want to say something about the beach, not get off of that, because I, I got a list of things here I could talk to you, by the way. Bill Cole, Cole, roofing, Gordy energy. Tell me what you do in a nutshell, because, like, it’s not always stated, like, what you do, because the solar thing is such a huge part of what everybody should be doing. Hey, look, I talked wind with the mayor of Ocean City, big, bigly, about towers out in the water and all of that. So energy, man. I mean. It’s, it’s, Anybody got a BGE Bill knows, right?

Bill Cole  05:02

Yeah, so we do Commercial Roofing And Commercial solar, everything from servicing any of that stuff all the way to, like, to helping people totally figure it out, figure out what kind of returns and then build it and then maintain it. Yeah. Look the the energy world continues to get more complicated. People see bills going up, then they see bills in Congress getting passed that sort of completely attempt to undermine. You know what momentum solar had? Doesn’t doesn’t kill it. It’s not solar’s not killable, but it’s definitely a pretty significant shift in how it’s going to get financed, how it’s going to get paid, for what those returns look like.

Nestor Aparicio  05:52

And elections matter. That’s where I throw my two cents in. So

Bill Cole  05:56

yeah, but even what you vote for,

Nestor Aparicio  05:59

even and you allow beyond that,

Bill Cole  06:01

so even beyond elections, you know, like we, I shouldn’t say we, because I don’t really know that everybody would agree with this, but you know, solar needs to stand on its own two feet. We would like it to not have to be reliant on any kind of government incentive, or any you know that just that makes the conversation harder for people to understand and confident, because the government can change their mind at any time, as evident. So we want to get there. I’m not sure we were there today, and we’re taking sort of a rip the band aid off approach to trying to get solar to stand on its own two feet, and you know it was going to happen at some point, like I tell people all the time, yes, I will openly argue with you on on these about different political positions, or at least try and get you closer to neutral sometimes. But our job as a business is to be able to figure out how to participate, regardless of who’s in office or what policies come down like, people need roofs. People should be buying solar. We should use the giant fireball in the sky that produces free energy every day. We should figure out how to convert that for everyone. These things make sense, so it’s our job to just figure out how to navigate that and bring it to the people who should be able to benefit from it. So it

Nestor Aparicio  07:27

makes sense. That’s what I try to do here all day. Billy,

Bill Cole  07:30

yeah, it’s keeps me on my toes, no doubt,

Nestor Aparicio  07:35

yeah, especially trying to make sense of things, speaking of that and speaking of politics, and I’ll get the shovel of manure right on back out and go right back to politics and say this, when I go to Ocean City for this Mako conference, for the 72 hours that’s mainly drinking and talking, not really eating much, because I kind of forget to do That, or as sleeping, which I do, but it’s only when necessary. Um, which is more as I get older, but I’ll say that. But I just

Bill Cole  08:08

Just on that point, I had some rookies from my team come down. Oh, and I, and I gave them an agenda, casually, you mean, no, no, no on the agenda, I wrote, eat at this event and eat at this event. So I teed them up because, you know, I’ve got you will forget Yes,

Nestor Aparicio  08:30

by the way, dude. But as an aside, before I get to Republicans and Democrats and Eastern Shore and western shore and Trump and everything else, okay, and I’m trying to keep you away from that for as long as I Gavin Newsom, no, we’re not. We’re going, well, Imma dive right in, because you’ll like what I gotta say anyway. So there is a Denny’s right at the foot of the bridge at 61st that’s open. And I’m going to tell you right now, I stayed in a hotel a block and a half away from there this time, and there was a moment when I rolled out of figures. And I did roll out of figures at 1:38am because my boys band was playing there, bad with names. I had been drinking water for a good two, three hours at this point, after the Brandon young near perfect game blew up on Friday night, right, and I was in the Denny’s at 2:01am, and before we depart, I’ll show you what my pancakes look like, because they were delicious, but nonetheless. So I did find a really good spot to eat at 2am in Ocean City, but that’s hard to do, and it was because I did not eat and it this pancake saved my life, just like the two did in in Vegas on the strip there after the win. Don’t call this here. He’s called roofing and Gordy energy. I want to say this about Mako and Ocean City. And I mean this, and look I back this up, right? I mean, like, you can go out and see it for yourself at Baltimore positive listen at wnst. Am 1570 you can check it out on our YouTube, anywhere I am, my Facebook, it’s the one place I go where I still have some hope that when I spend time with cornbread Carl Anderton, former state delegate who’s now a special representative of Westmore, serving rural districts and rural counties in positive ways. Big sports fan. He’s a nut ball sports fan. He and his buddies getting their pickup from Wicomico County, and drive up for every ravens game at six. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. So, you know. And then I meet Julie Giordano, who is the Wicomico county executive. She did, I think, 38 minutes on the air with me. School teacher, Catonsville girl, went to the shore building the airport down there so they could fly planes to Florida. Had the runway extended. And then, then I sit with the Republican mayor of Ocean City, Maryland, who we get on the win thing? I mean, we did the concerts, we did the popcorn, we did, you know, we do all that, right, but I mean, Rick’s the Baltimore guys, Towson guys, clearly the other side of politics of me, and we got on this wind thing, and he, like, convinced me that I shouldn’t be laying on the beach looking at windmills. And he’s right, and he’s right. I mean, and I don’t know what that means, and that probably means better for solar, for you or for whatever, but I know that that’s probably not the greatest solution, having landed in Galveston, Texas and seeing what it looks like, and also been in Maui and looked up on a hill and thought, the hell’s that doing there? And I thought, well, maybe in Maui, you kind of, you know, you do what you got to do in Maui, what you know. But I’ll say this. I talked about immigrants being thrown off of farms in Wicomico County and the poultry industry with Julie Giordano. I’ve talked H 2b visas with Republicans and Eastern Shore people about why crab meets $60 a pound, right? I’ve done all of that. But I’m telling you, man, it’s the one place I go. I go to JBJ, by the way, JB, Jennings and David Marks, two Republicans coming out on Friday to pizza, John’s so like. But it’s also a place for andy Harris hides. It’s a place where any semblance of Trumpism doesn’t make any sense to anybody, especially people are educators and stuff, and people who believe in science and aren’t racist and like all of that. Um, so all of the news that comes out of this idiot in Washington doesn’t always filter down to good people like Al redmer, you know what I mean. So, like, I would just say this for being perceived as left of Bernie Sanders and I am on certain issues far too Right. Of of you know, whoever a moderate would be on the death penalty or some other issues of wokeism that or policing, or other things that, like, I’m very open minded about what we need to be doing to make our society better, including your industry with solar that makes all the sense in the world. And the same way that legalizing and and administering cannabis and gambling and all and booze and all sorts of things, um, did I try to take a deeper dive into this? And I’m telling you, man, the Mako thing, and this is a tip of the cap to Don molar, and to you and to anybody else that’s ever been kind to me down there, which is just about everybody and takes me seriously, which is absolutely everybody. And I’m the only one there doing it. I’m the only dude like me who has a thing like this that goes down there and sits and talks to black, white, Republican, East left, Israel, Gaza, Senator, Congressman. Anybody wants to sit with me? And that’s sort of an open door policy. I heard Bill Maher going crazy about this two weeks ago, saying, Hey, man, Obama finally sat with me after eight years, but the Clintons won’t come near me. AOC won’t come on. But you know, you guys get pissed when Republicans come on, but there’s a lot of Republicans that won’t come on, you know what I mean. So, like, I will have anyone on that wants to make sense. And Mako gives me some semblance of hope that when I go back up to the mayor of Ocean City and he’s eating crabs a day and a half later, and I say to him, You know what, man, you won me over on this wind issue. And I don’t need to hear from the Italian company, although I will, I’ll hear from Wes Moore or Bill Cole, or the other bill Cole, or anybody else that wants to talk to me about wind and why that’s a good idea. I’ll hear it, but I sort of think it’s a bad idea. So I So, so I’ll take it that I had my mind changed on issues. I was lobbied on issues. I was lobbying on some deep Eddy vodka as well, and tourism. But I you know, I’ll put that to you, that the real gift to me is opening my mind, in addition to my passion. Like to eat smuggling pines and fishers pop 100%

Bill Cole  15:03

and that’s why, that’s why you and I can be friends. We can have impassioned debates, right? And then five minutes later, we’re yucking it up about the Orioles or the Ravens or whatever. Like using words like open minded conversation, changing of minds like that, in my opinion, is a level of maturity that we’re that we’re trying to help everyone find said, I think we we confuse loyalty with open mindedness, right? And we let loyalty get in the way sometimes, and that’s just because we’re not entirely sure who we’re trying to be loyal to. And we love our tribe, and we love our people, and we love to be right, and we love for people to like, affirm our opinions, and all that good stuff, but the juice is exactly what you’re saying. So I am in I

Nestor Aparicio  16:03

only learn things in good debates with people, with educated, informed people.

Bill Cole  16:07

And it’s fascinating. And even if you allow yourself a moment as like self recognition to know that you you did just get your mind changed, or you at least moved slightly closer to the other side, or can understand rationally, logically, the the position that the other side takes. And it’s not just screaming highlight, screaming highlight, screaming highlight. Like, I think that’s that is totally the the gift that we’re trying to bring to like, I think about my kids and the world they’re growing up in, and the idea that you’re not supposed to talk politics, and I know that’s been a joke for ever. You know what don’t you talk about at the Thanksgiving dinner table is like politics and religion and whatever. So but my kids literally, like you, you go to school, they don’t, they’re not allowed to talk about any of that stuff, right? Because it’s, it’s so dangerous, and the teachers just don’t want that grief that they just try and shut all that down, and it’s disappointing. And I look, I understand why they do that, like it is, like, just really hard, and everybody has an opinion, and you’re not trying to pick fights, but, but we’ve gotta teach kids how to have open dialog on the win thing. I really don’t know and haven’t done, you know, hours and hours of research and all this other stuff, my opinion, is very simple. Like, that seems really hard to do. And, yes, potentially, like, ruining things that we can’t really understand. Well, I

Nestor Aparicio  17:47

would just say, Why? Why? Right? Don’t we have better ideas than that? That’s That’s all that that will, like, give me a better idea than that if I’m on Mars, and that’s my only correct and maybe out Maui and I said, I at some point, I’m going to do the research on that, find out how that wind thing got built up on that hill in Maui, and how it’s beneficial, and it’s cut, really cut energy costs by 50% to every person that lives in Maui, and made their life better because they have three towers up there. If that’s the truth, I’m in, right? I’m in

Bill Cole  18:18

this, right? This is very self serving, but there are billions of square foot, billions of square foot of open roof space that Noah looks at that all its functional purpose is to keep water out of buildings as soon as we fill all those with solar and then we still have a demand problem, because we’re building all these data centers, and AI needs all this power, and blah, blah, blah, Fine, then let’s go put wind turbines where we need to. But I’m with you, like, it seems pretty

Nestor Aparicio  18:53

simple, and I don’t think wind turbines on a farm are ugly, by the way. Like, you know, just in a general sense, I’ve seen this in Holland. I don’t think water towers are ugly, as a matter of fact, my wife and I always make a joke, and this is like, literally, if I live long enough and I get the trailer that I so deserve to live in, moving trailer that I deserve to live in from one side where I came from, I would take selfies in front of every water tower in every town, because I think that they’re indicative of having been there I have, you know, so I do have a lot of pictures of water towers that I’ve taken for poops and giggles and sent to my wife when I went to my mom’s hometown of Abbeville, South Carolina, I made sure I, you know, like, I take pictures when I’m away from home without my wife. A lot of times I’ll just take one just to kid around with her and say, I’m in Frankfort, Kentucky. Here I am, you know what I mean, but I don’t pick them up. But, like, I don’t see them as eyesores. I see them as a structure of community that being. Said, I don’t think we need wind turbines out in the middle off of Fourth Street in Ocean City right now, if that’s the best idea we have, we any more than we should have people going in the coal mines in West Virginia, but right and for health purposes and all sorts of things. So we can get into all of this. But I just wanted to say that I get a little bit of hope it may go. Is that fair? Is that 100%

Bill Cole  20:24

I do think that it is, and this is something that I believe in strongly, is this idea of getting into these comfortable, less formal situations? Unfortunately, fortunately. It probably does involve, you know, a couple of cocktails, but like you put people in flip flops, they tend to just be a little bit less buttoned up, and they’re able to have some some interesting conversations. So I can totally appreciate that you get hope out of Mako. Um, my I got less hope. I got more gratitude, like I just felt really, you know, thankful that, like I have all these people that I know and that I get to talk to them, and that they make me smarter, and that I get to introduce them to other people. And I think, I think, from a hope standpoint, one observation is, and this, this was true in Vegas, and it was true at Mako. You can really see, or at least I can, the demographic shift like the guys from my father or grandfather’s generation that I was lucky enough to get to know because my father or grandfather introduced me to them. They’re not around. I don’t get to hang out with them in Vegas or at Mako anymore. You’re

Nestor Aparicio  21:49

becoming one of them. Yeah,

Bill Cole  21:51

maybe I know I don’t really want to. I’m not ready to acknowledge that. Yet. I’m not ready to acknowledge that. But

Nestor Aparicio  21:56

I went to bed at eight o’clock on Thursday night, dude. So you know,

Bill Cole  22:00

and and I am inspired by this, the 30 something crowd that I’m getting to know and meet. And like they are, they’re they’re common man, like they are. They’re learning. They’re into it. They have so many advantages over what I think about, like where I was when I was mid 30s, and what I knew, you know, like they’re already at Vegas, they’re already at Mako, like people are already sharing this information, and they’ve shown enough grit and ground leadership.

Nestor Aparicio  22:34

I mean, yeah, that’s what it is, leadership. So it’s leadership would have would be,

Bill Cole  22:40

I would give you that as my my hope comment is, like I do, I am confident like that there is a next generation and like they’re going to continue this work of of making Baltimore and Maryland a better place, so that that is hopeful. Bill Cole

Nestor Aparicio  22:57

here he is cold roofing and Gordian energy sponsors, our wnst tech service for all things sports and sports breaking news. When weird things happen, Luke texts them out, and we have football beginning here, right around the corner. We’re looking forward to that. I’m getting Maryland crab cake tour out on the road. Bill is slated to be out when I’m I think banner editor Chris Corman’s coming out. So you might wind up doing an hour of, like, sports, sports news, Justin Tucker journalism, all of that stuff with me at Costas on Monday, we’re going to be added all of our sponsors, and I’m eating so this is a big week, and it’s really kind of a big month. I swear you’re going to be the last piece I’m going to do with the 26th anniversary oyster logo. I’m gonna get my 27th logo up. It’s really cool and shiny, and I love that. Jessica did it up, right? I didn’t even do it on AI. It was done by like, real humans, at least, I think she’s a real human. She’s still she’s still here. Uh, so anyway, um, food, 27th anniversary. I was gonna do crab soup. And I think I’m going to do the breweries again, because I saw some of the brewery people then in Ocean City. And I’m Thursday so, and I know where all of them are, and it gets me to the west side of the state, where I didn’t go this year and went to Eastern Shore. So this is where the food Road, Maryland. Nestor, serendipity. Weird thing happens, right? So at some point, like in March, I sort of exited the crab soup idea and entered the I want to like feature, where I really eat, places that I really love, that I don’t always plug. My favorite Chinese joint, my favorite tie joint, my Indian joint, went out of business. So, I mean, I’m a mess on that. One of the barbecue places I wanted to feature out in Emmetsburg, out of business. Chubbies gone. So there’s a couple places I wanted to put in that I that, like, I even investigated. I’m like, Oh my God, they’re gone. You. Now that being said, I wanted to feature my places. My hardcore cost is Pizza John places that you just know, I’m there all the time, and I’m in there all the time, and where would they factor in on this list? And I wanted to be really fair to like letter Raskin always says his his slime when he eats too much, which is he would say too often. He would say, I’m eating like I’m going to the chair. Is what he says. I ate like I was going to the chair. And I’m like, Okay, that’s a that’s a fun reference. And I’m thinking, All right, so, like, it’s pretty morbid, pretty my last supper, or the last thing, or the first thing, I would like, if somebody came from Mars, and I’d say, here’s the best thing I’ve ever eaten here in Baltimore. I’ll take you here. What would it really be? And some people would say, you know, a burger cookie. And some people would say, uh, whatever, you know, whatever, right? So for me, I had to really think about this. And, you know, when I start to make these lists, I I’m like, Santa Claus, you know, I’m checking it twice and and the top 25 were kind of, like, really obvious to me, like, there were a couple things on the edges that were here and there, here and again, should I, or shouldn’t I? And then I thought, like, I need to do some stuff on the road to Ocean City. So I included last week old salties. And this is where I want to bring you in on this, because you got kids in a family, and you think of yourself as a Maryland guy, even though you don’t dress yourself in a Maryland flag and all of that. Have you been to Blackwater refuge? Have you been down to Hooper’s island in your life?

Bill Cole  26:39

I guess not I get, I mean, see

Nestor Aparicio  26:42

this, this is not the enthusiasm I’m looking for you, Billy. I mean,

Bill Cole  26:48

all right. So number one, I’m, I’m stuck in my head trying to figure out what the heck okay list would be, because it’s a really great question. But

Nestor Aparicio  26:55

so well, right? And, well, it’s like your favorite albums, or whatever. But so I, for my 27th anniversary, I am featuring and the hashtag is tastiness, T, A, S, T, Y N, E, S, tastiness my tastiest foods. So I had a crab cake in hoopers Island at a place called Old salties. Now it’s owned by Baltimore people. Now I got snaked at the bar completely remodeled since I was down there two years ago. Looks like a different place, completely modern. I mean, it’s beautiful. So got the flies down there now, and they got the oysters and all that. So, you know, go down there knowing you’re in the country, but when you drive down there, Billy, and I’ll tell you this, I and this is an amazing thing for anyone who really wants to see this state. Loves the state. I made it to Smith islands, the island. Smith Island, cake like I took the boat out there. I got bitten on the back of my neck. I I told the Dorchester County Tourism guy, Danny, my buddy, who I, you know, I saw him at the tourism event. He took the um, my dude, John Wertham, former Sports Illustrated writer, decorated writer and author, friend of mine, tennis writer, who is a 60 Minutes correspondent now, who was the Smith Island correspondent, if anybody saw the 60 Minutes piece. So when I drive, I went to hoopers island with Jen three years ago, whenever I went down there the first time, and hadn’t been back since. And I went to Smith Island. Now that I’ve been to Smith Island and I’ve been to hoopers Island, if you go, you don’t need to go to Smith Island, because it’s really hard to get to, and you should go and go if you want to be a tourist and do it before it sinks and all that. But you drive in Hooper’s Island, it’s the same experience, same Vista feels, the same sort of way that Smith Island feels. So dude, you could get to hoopers island in 28 minutes from Cambridge, when you go through Cambridge, on the other end of Cambridge, just when you’re making the turn, and it veers left toward the flatten out a little bit toward going to Vienna, make a right turn where it says, Harriet, Tubman trail, Blackwater refuge, Billy, build an extra two hours in. I’m not I’m serious, build an extra two hours in on the way down to the beach next summer, next this fall, what if you’re going out for the concerts, you know this like sign, swear to you you will not be disappointed. I it was cloudy the day I drove and it was still beautiful. Had it been sunny? It? It’s otherworldly, dude. And just drive down the Hooper’s and get a crab cake. Pop in, pop out, get an iced tea. Get a special iced tea, whatever you want. See it. Just see it and feel it and drive the Harriet Tubman trail. The back roads, they’re not dirt roads. They’re just narrow roads over there, the Farm road. And they’re beautiful. They’re it’s stunningly beautiful. And all you need to do is just drive 20 miles off of 1520, miles back onto 50, and have a meal and see how flat beautiful these piers people fishing off appears quietly. Grant you’ll think you’re in Vietnam. You’ll think you’re in lower Louisiana, you’ll think you’re you won’t think you’re in the Everglades. It’s, it’s really swampy, but it’s right here, man, and it’s so beautiful. So there’s my postcard for you to tell you that this crazy tour took me back down there, and all I can tell you is how beautiful this state is. If you just make a right turn at one of those brown signs that looks like a federal thing that Trump’s trying to shut down, like the Harriet Tubman trail that really happened. That’s it. That’s a significant, monumental part of this state’s history.

Bill Cole  30:59

Yeah, no, Nestor, look, this is definitely one of the things I appreciate the most about you, is your ability to sort of just peel back the onion, like you’re right, like, I’ve been Google mapping while you’re talking here and trying to see what it is. It’s

Nestor Aparicio  31:17

a nothing trip. It’s 20 minutes. It’s not inconveniencing you. I’m telling you, if you just get your family in the car a little earlier, you’re going to get stuck in the bridge traffic. You’re going to get pissed off and, you know, as you try to make your way through through, you know, Ken Island, and then make a right turn real quick, you don’t even need to have a sandwich if you got an extra drink in the cooler, you’re going to want to get out of the car and take pictures. That Visitor Center at Blackwater is on believable. Go there first. Take your kid. Don’t even tell them you’re taking them. Don’t have them Google it or anything. Just say, This is it? This. You’re not going it’s cloudy. We’re not going to the beach. Go to that visitor center and see the birds, the wildlife, the way of life, the history, the black history, the racist ass white history, the birds, the Protected Area, the shore, the slaves, the freedom, the Beauty, it’s all the crabs. It’s all there, dude,

Bill Cole  32:22

all of it. I totally get it. You’re 10

Nestor Aparicio  32:26

minutes for Cambridge. Dude, 10 minutes and 10 beautiful minutes. And there’s a water tower. You can take a picture of a Cambridge on the way down that road. Which road, uh, Bill Cole was here. So anyway, tastiness. What do you got for me? Where would you take me? Like, where? I mean, it’s one thing to say, I’m some highfalutin executive that makes roofing, and you got to take me out and buy me a steak dinner and treat me like, you know, take me to prime River, prescription, whatever, wherever you take Charleston, wherever you take me, right? But like, what, like, where? What do you love to eat? What’s a thing that like? Is there a place in Bel Air, or a place in Kingsville or a sub you’ve been eating your whole like you got a thing right? Uh,

Bill Cole  33:07

no, so it’s not fair for you to engage with me in this list without giving me, you know, time to prepare it, because that is something that needs to be deeply thought about, because I do love food. Now, I’m very equal opportunist on the food front. Like, I really don’t care. I will eat anything other than sweet potatoes. I’m not a sweet potato fan. That’s that’s pretty much,

Nestor Aparicio  33:31

dude, you eat deviled eggs. You’ve been through this. She’ll eat it. Yeah.

Bill Cole  33:36

I mean, there was a time period where my friends referred to me as Billy Cheesesteak. So, like, I do enjoy a good cheesesteak, but, but I would not there’s like, I wouldn’t force them to go to Captain Harvey’s. I wouldn’t force them to get, like, there’s no, you said Captain

Nestor Aparicio  33:51

Harvey’s first, though, is that the cheesesteak you measure all other cheesesteaks again,

Bill Cole  33:55

it’s not, it’s not, but it is. It is one of the it’s probably the only like place with a cheesesteak where there’s two are linked up right short of going to Philly and all their weird stuff. But

Nestor Aparicio  34:11

people tell you pizza John’s as a cheese steak that’s better than any place. And I wouldn’t argue I have not had a cheesesteak in this town that is better than the cheesesteak at Pizza John’s. And I would say that with my life on the line, and I’m probably going to probably going to say that on Friday, because that’s going to be number nine on my list. But really, it’s the pizza, and it’s the pizza that I get there, specifically the the pineapple and ham and pepperoni. Nobody else would get it that way. A friend of mine told me about it years ago, and I trusted her, and she was right, and I’ve never gone back, but the supreme over there my thing. But like, yeah, when you’re over there, and John Rollo wrote this up on my Facebook when I was there a couple months ago, he’s like, um, I think the cheese steak’s the best day. I tell people to go there and get the cheese steak. They’re like, go to pizza place and get the cheesesteak. Yeah, sure. If so, if you got a better cheesesteak than pizza John’s at this moment, now, I would give you captain Harvey. Steve serone, you know I love you, and I love Captain Harvey, but and I love Harvey Myers too, but I would say I don’t know where else to even go to get a cheesesteak. And that’s no offense to Coopers or other places where I’ve had cheese steaks and said, Fine, good, very good, but I’d still go to captain, Captain Harvey’s or pizza John’s, and I’m gonna give you a place before the segment’s over.

Bill Cole  35:29

The the problem I have is, is due to my deep love for cheesesteaks, I really don’t put one above the other, because I just, I’m just so excited to have one. Like, I don’t even care, right? And sure, there’s ones that are slightly better or

Nestor Aparicio  35:46

you have a favorite, like, right now. No no, if I come on dude, if I really, let’s go get a cheese steak right now. Where would you take me?

Bill Cole  35:55

I have no idea. Okay, all right. I have no idea.

Nestor Aparicio  35:58

Well, I’ll, I’m gonna give you a spot. And I gave this to to Leonard Raskin, because part of this eating thing leads to the serendipity of meeting people, like we pointed out, I went to concert up in Philly. And when I think of Philly, I think of cheesesteaks. And I like have a cheesesteak place that I’ve been going for years on the way to Philly. It’s called The Claymont steak company. It’s outstanding. It’s right off of 95 in Claymont, and my wife’s been out of town for a couple weeks, and I was going alone, and I just decided to have a mental health Friday night with sticks and REO Speedwagon and Don Felder up in Camden, New Jersey. I was going alone up back, no room, no messing around. I’m like, but, but to make this interesting, because I am going to park in Camden New Jersey in a shell of a fortress in a bad neighborhood for 40 bucks and tailgate with beer in the back of my car, but not too much, because I have to drive home and, like, it was 100 degrees and all of that. I’m like, to make this interesting, I’m going to find the new cheesesteak and to honor my constantly Billy Cole, I’m going to find the new cheesesteak place. So, Bill, I did the research on this, right? Yeah. And I didn’t want to go west toward, like, anywhere West I would like, I want to find somewhere near Wilmington, somewhere in Newark. There’s a Claymont in Newark, not well thought of downtown Newark. I know stone balloon. I’ve been chase girls there, back when I was a young man, Chase bands there. The whole deal. I’m like, I want to find a place now. I would give a plug to Wawa here, but I truly going to give a plug to Daryl hall that when I went up to Philadelphia, that’s six, seven years ago, before the plague, Daryl Hall did a thing in Philly. It was a hoagie Fest in Philly, and he brought train in. He brought Tommy come a bunch of bands. He was still with their with John Oates. They were still and they were playing, and they played like, under the bridge. It wasn’t like at man, it wasn’t at a facility. It was like a a park kind of thing. And it was a hoagie thing where he got, like, along with with, I was Wawa sponsored. But it really wasn’t. It was like 50 different sub shops to feature their sliced little hoagies. It was like a taste of Philadelphia, sure. But for hoagies, and you spend another 50 bucks, 80 bucks, whatever you get, the ticket for the day. But if you bought, you spent 180 bucks, you got to eat all day. And they were like it was a tent, like, literally, and it was all in my neighborhood. It was the Ninos was our as our sub shop. In my neighborhood, everybody in the Zeno’s family knows I love them, and it’s not zenios. So if anybody knows Jerry, I mean people, people know there’s no family. They were my sub shop. But in Dundalk alone, there was filets, there was Ross’s, all the Greek joints. All the crab houses had cheese steaks. They had crab subs house in Neptune. I mean, I could go down the list, up and around, just in Dundalk, Nico’s. I mean, every place there were sub shops everywhere. So that’s in my neighborhood. So in Philly, I saw this thing. So I’m like, All right, I’m going to give a new place to go in the modern era. I’m going to Google up. I looked at about eight places that I had never been. That was the other pre qualifier had to be a new place. I’ve been to Joe’s. I’ve been to Geno’s. I wasn’t going into Philly. I wasn’t going to pass I’m not doing any of that. I’m going to do something different. And even if I have to go out to Cherry Hill. I’ll maybe I’ll do that, if it’s good enough. I found a place you’re I see your Google mapping and who you are. I’ve already written about this. It’s already a Baltimore positive. I want to give this guy some love, because this place was so freaking good. I’ve been there one time. It’s called Ionis. I O A. N n o n o, New Castle Delaware. It’s at the foot of the wilming of the bridge. It is next to the Wilmington airport. If you’re familiar with the dog house up there, which is another like hot dog joint right on 40 and one, where it all confluences there, right by the Royal farms and the and the Harley store, if you’re going over the bridge, dude, I went in there to get a cheesesteak because I was in the mood for a cheesesteak, until I got there and I looked and they do a pork roast pork, which I’ve never had, a really good roast pork sandwich, but I’m waiting my whole life with a bra. I love broccoli, Rob. I like all of that, but I’ve had two or three. I went to John’s in Philly. I didn’t think it was that good at all. I went to the place in the market, reading market. I didn’t think it was, you know, I just like, it wasn’t like I was running back, but I’m like, this could be good. The concept of a roast pork with some Azure and some melted Provolone and some broccoli. Rob and I’m not a hot sky but I’m a sweet pepper guy, so that sounds good to me, and this guy. So I go in, and it’s a little humble sub shop standalone, and I had to pee, because that’s you got to pee when you’re there, right? You got to do that. So I wore cute girl at the counter says, What are you having? And I’m like, I think I’m having a roast pork because, like, I’m here, and you have it, and it was number two on the recommended things. So I ordered it, and I was like, I’m not getting a cheesesteak tonight. I’m just gonna I’m not getting two things tonight because I don’t have my wife to help me eat it. Not getting french fries because I don’t be fat ass. So because I’m going to Ocean City, and I ordered it, I went in the bathroom, and I come out, there’s a line. People are there. It’s not crowded, but busy. I go up and a guy slicing meat and dunking meat and over the counter, and I’m looking at it, and the guy, Billy, how long have I owned a business? Long time I know a business owner. Within seconds, I smell him out, right? Sure, this guy’s slicing the meat and dunking the meat, and I’m thinking, maybe, and I’m like, I’m like, Hey, dude, you own his joint. He’s like, Yeah, I own a joint. And his Philly accent, you know? And so nice. Great guy, great guy, right? But I could tell he’s an operator, you know what? I mean, hey, where are you from? And the first thing he says to me, Bill, I swear to God, all my life, I ordered this sandwich, I peed, I washed my hands. I’m literally dabbing my hands, talking to him in front of his he’s cutting the meat, dunking the meat, making the sandwiches. He’s finishing the sandwiches off, yeah, and on a Friday, at four o’clock, 330 early, right? Waiting for the people to come in his place, sure. And the first thing he says to me is, where you from? You’re not from around here. He sniffed out, like, I’m looking around, like I don’t know my way around, right, right? And he said, Yeah. How’d you find me? I said, the internet. He said, Oh, you’re from Baltimore. He said, where do you eat down there? The first thing he said to me, first thing he said to me, I’m like, Oh, dude, you asked the wrong guy. I’m trying my hands. I’m gonna go get a card for you. I need to know you. He told me own to join before he made my sandwich. So I come in with a card, and I know I’m gonna like this guy already. And I know I’m gonna like his sandwich. I know. I know I’m gonna like his sandwich, right? I’m watching him make these sandwiches, and I want every one of them. I’m turning around and look what’s on people’s plates, and I’m like, so and I’ve seen the pictures online which told me food was going to be good, which drew me there, right? So this is how I get sight with my eyes, right? This is how I find new, great places. I make good recommendations for people. So I started talking to him, and I said, Man, you asked the wrong guy about food. I said, All right, so you’re in a sandwich business. Have you been the chat? She’s like, Yeah, I go to the one in Aberdeen, right off the highway, you know, special, this, that. And he said, would you order here? And I said, I got the broccoli, Rob, you know, supremo, whatever he and he was making my sandwich. He hands it to me, and he said, I said I was gonna get the Italian roast beef because I’m watching, that’s what I’m watching you make. And it looks like what most people order here. And he says to me, before he hands me seriously, like, no, no, my chicken cutlet, that’s what you should get. And I’m like, what? He’s like, No, we have a special like, my chicken cutlets, fresh, like we and I’m like, hold, on the internet says the Italian roast beef. I came here for a cheesesteak, and that is what people told me, to get a cheesesteak here. I ordered the roast pork. You’re about to hand it to me. He’s like, no, no, no, no. You got the pork with the with the this is a really good sandwich, right? He hands it to me, and it’s big as my head. He said, This is a really good sandwich. I told him I was going to see sticks and drinking and, you know, whatever he’s like, and it’s and, like, it’s too much food already. And I said, Hey, thanks, Mike. His name’s Mike. I get my card. I said, I’ll see you know, I’ll be back, I’ll be back. I’ll be back. I get in the car. My car is right in front of the sub shop. It was like a scene out of The Sopranos. Dude, yeah, I get in the car, and I shut the door,

Bill Cole  45:28

and here comes Mike with a cutlet sandwich. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mike’s

Nestor Aparicio  45:32

too busy to come out. Mike can’t come out. Okay? I’m like, I’m gonna go back in there and order the Italian roast beef. I walked back in, I pulled my credit card back out. I gave $14 more, and I said, I went over. I’m like, Look, dude, I’m going to eat this, but you’re going to give me the Italian beef in a container deconstructed completely to go and I’m going to eat that tomorrow when I get home. Because, like, I just think I need to have, I need to have your beef right, because I’ve been looking at it and like, I just want to jump across the table and get it right. Even though you made me a sandwich and you wouldn’t let me order this, like, literally. So he made it deconstructed for me, and I didn’t even look at it, but I smelled it the next 25 minutes going into the city and I park in this God forsaken lot, this Live Nation hell hole that looks like I’m in a prison in Camden, literally concrete prison, overlooking the towers that you don’t want notion city that we were talking about a little while ago, right? And I take one bite of his pork sandwich, and I’m like, this might be the greatest thing I’ve ever eaten. Meanwhile, he packs me on the way out, the sesame seed fresh rolls, yeah, and I had and he put the cheese underneath of the roast beef in the Ojo. He put sweet peppers and Rob in separate containers for me, I walked around, took a picture of it. I’m tailgating, listening to sticks and REO Speedwagon and the Eagles. I’m drinking a beer on the boot of the car, and I started tearing it to bread, like I’m at a Tuscan, like, I’m like, Just and I’m dipping it in the in the roast beef, and I’m in a parking I got shiz in my in my soul patch, you know what? I mean, cheese dripping off of me. And that’s when you know life’s good, you know? I mean, get that much happiness for 25 bucks at a sub shop in Delaware, you know? I mean, really,

Bill Cole  47:40

yeah, I’m, like, tracking all these places. I’m following you, and they’re

Nestor Aparicio  47:44

not even part of the 27 that’s just given love to an Italian roast beef sandwich that I ate for four consecutive days, and it got better. It was better on Monday than it was on Friday. That’s, yeah,

Bill Cole  47:55

I’ll tell you a little I don’t know that this secret is, like a secret, but you mentioned Wawa earlier, and I do have an ex Philly. You know, friend. He’s still a friend, but he’s ex Philly. So he’s lives in Baltimore now, but when he is making homemade cheesesteaks, he will go to Wawa and he will buy their hoagie rolls to make his cheesesteaks, because he believes that that that locally, that’s the most Philly authentic role that he can get for the cheesesteaks. So it’s the water. Kudos to Wawa, you know, like for for rolling out the the real hoagie. I have

Nestor Aparicio  48:40

never had a Wawa sub in my life, because I’ve been sponsored by Royal farms for 27 years. Continue that so I have no idea, but Bill Cole is here. He has sponsored me for what feels like 27 years, but it’s only been like 15. He’s cold roofing and Gordian energy. So I had my 27 favorite things to eat. And like some of them are very humble. One of them’s near your house. I The Philly the pretzel Philly pretzel factory, one of my favorite, sneaky little little treats. I’m doing a snowball this week. I’m doing cookies this week. I’m doing cake this week. I did cake last week. Trace late, Chase cake. I did my favorite Thai place, which is just I have three days of leftover tie, and it gets better. The best leftovers. I did my Chinese place. Are you ready for this? This is, this speaks to my serendipitous soul. My Chinese place is called, are you ready? Happy China, right, right. It’s my happy place. Happy China because it makes me happy.

Bill Cole  49:41

I think for me, like I because I just enjoy all food, a lot of the joy comes from the environment, the vibe, the people, like a lot of the people I’m with,

Nestor Aparicio  49:58

these things can be shared. For me now, see, I got different requirements.

Bill Cole  50:02

Yeah, so, like, I don’t, I mean, you can’t have bad food, and these days, you know, very few places have bad food, as long as it’s, like, mediocre, and they’re trying hard, and they have a good vibe, and there’s good people there, and they’re, you know, they’re kind when you come in and they, they really understand, like, like,

Nestor Aparicio  50:24

I’m not nice. Like that, you can be nice. I hear you, but nothing that’s right back to Rapper’s Delight. If your chicken tastes like wood, Mama, he’s just being polite. He ain’t finished. Oh, that’s bull. The

Bill Cole  50:38

Nothing makes my food taste worse than a server who is annoyed that we’re there. I got it, you know what I’m saying? Like, somehow, somehow, like, the whole vibe, the, you know, the environment, the people, all of that. Like, if you walk through the door and that first, you know, seven minutes and I’m not in a hurry. I’m never in a hurry, right? Like, I don’t, I don’t need people. I don’t care if you sit me down and you don’t come back for five or 10 minutes, because usually I’m dining with my family, and I like to talk to them, or I’m checking the place out, or I’m reading the like,

Nestor Aparicio  51:15

if I’m in a hurry, I’ll say I’m in a hurry, right? Not like Buford T justice did in smoking a bandit, but, like, you know, but I just, I say, Hey, I, you know, I’m going to a show. I’m kind of, you know, what can I order that I can get quickly? You know what? I mean, like, Yeah,

Bill Cole  51:30

but if, but if that first seven minutes, or whatever, is, like, full of, sort of the appreciation for you coming in their door, man, pretty much anything I order is going to taste good. I can pretty much be consistent about that. All right, you’re easy, I’m easy, but there’s a list I just need to work

Nestor Aparicio  51:53

on it. You’ll find that out. I just really like fresh, good food, like, like, and when it’s not, I don’t go back and And this speaks to, you know, you said something really kind to me earlier, that my loyalty, your loyalty. And you know, we spoke about that very early in this conversation about where the edge of loyalty is. And I’m also a blunt person, as you found out my curio wellness friends, and this speaks to 27 years of doing this is like I am incredibly loyal, and for that, I sometimes expect loyalty back in some way, but the loyalty I have to most of these places, including three of The top four places on my countdown. Are not sponsors. They have no idea. I think two of the four don’t even know I exist. Their ownership don’t know who I am. They literally have no idea who I am. One of the four knows who I am, and it’s a small, really small place, and the other is a more tried and true place that isn’t a current sponsor, but you would recognize as being associated with me in a strong way. But these are, I was not looking to add a boy in giving awards to people who are my sponsors. I go to Costas and Cocos and Coopers and pizza Johns, I just do and fatally, because it’s great, and the greatness is in me going to them and saying, I love you. I love your place. Your place is great. Can I promote your place? Can we work together? Can you help me support my family and can I help you support yours? And that’s great, but this is not one of those kinds of things for me. And I wanted to make that really clear that like I did do a Bougie fried lobster the Beaumont but I could have done their lamb chops or their fried green tomatoes, but most of my things here are items that are less than $10 to be really honest with you,

Bill Cole  53:58

right? No, I pick up on that, and I think that there’s a correlation between places that you recognize for the grind, and want to, you know, just honor that and appreciate that. And one of

Nestor Aparicio  54:14

these top four places, I don’t think I’ve ever spoken of on the air. I don’t think I’ve ever taken a picture of the food and Billy, when I’ve telling, I’m telling you I’ve been in this place 200 times, minimum 200 I mean, like, if you were to cut me open, like a like a fish and jaws and everything I’ve ever eaten, I’ve eaten at this place as much as I’ve eaten anywhere, maybe not As much as at Royal farms, but like, up there. You know what I mean? Like, like, up there. You know what I mean, just because the royal Farms is convenience, it being Yosemite of having fried chicken, right? But like, this is a place that’s legit, and I’ve never spoken of it, but that’s why you got to follow the countdown. So there’s my fish look into as I’m down to, like, 1718, My team, wherever I am, I have a blueberry biscuit that I’m doing for you this week. I’m doing tacos this week. I’m doing pit beef. I let the cat out of the bag. About my favorite donut that’s coming this week too, and that’s a less than $2 item. So I’ll be doing all of that as part of my friends with curio wellness, uh, friends like cold roofing and Gordian energy, our friends at the Maryland lottery putting me dangerously out for 27 days and 27 ways to get healthier or badder. In the case of my dough to my maple bacon, Winter’s coming soon, Winter’s coming. Look, dude, you’re joining me at Costas on Monday. Have some sports stuff for Chris Corman, okay, yeah, sounds good. I know you have probing questions about Hinson allegations, something. No,

Bill Cole  55:47

I don’t know anything about any of that, but you know, I can do some research and yuck it up with the best of them.

Nestor Aparicio  55:52

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