Our Woodlawn and Maryland defending champion Sam Kouvaris, who made a life as a Jacksonville sports television legend, returns home to report with Nestor the pains of Jaguars life and the pleasure of his 30th year on the Pro Football Hall of Fame committee examining Marshal Yanda, Terrell Suggs and Steve Smith Sr. for Canton glory.
Nestor Aparicio and Sam Kouvaris discuss the Jacksonville Jaguars’ struggles, noting the team’s poor performance and coaching changes. Kouvaris highlights the Jaguars’ lack of a consistent culture and poor player management, citing examples like trading Calais Campbell. They also delve into the Pro Football Hall of Fame voting process, with Kouvaris emphasizing the difficulty of selecting candidates and the importance of contributions to the game. They discuss the potential Hall of Fame inductions of Steve Smith, Terrell Suggs, and Marshal Yanda, with Yanda’s extensive resume being particularly notable. The conversation also touches on the challenges and politics involved in Hall of Fame voting.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Jacksonville Jaguars, Super Bowl week, Hall of Fame voting, new head coach, coaching drama, professional sports stats, Colts comparison, Doug Peterson, Trevor Lawrence, team culture, Hall of Fame process, committee challenges, player presentations, character evaluation, Baltimore Ravens
SPEAKERS
Sam Kouvaris, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:02
Welcome back. We are W, N, S, T, A M, 1570 Towson, Baltimore. I should say welcome home, because I’m going to be doing a hand coming here in a minute. It’s Baltimore, positive. We’re doing a cup of soup or bowl all week long. In lieu of our Super Bowl radio row coverage, I’m actually getting together with all the same people that I always had a radio row, including some Super Bowl MVPs and players and coaches that I’ve tracked down this week. But for Super Bowl week, we’re going to be out beginning Acosta on Monday, will be at fadelies and Lexington market on Tuesday, Cocos on Wednesday, Thursday, we move to State Fair in Catonsville, which is this guy’s side of town, and then on Friday, we’ll wrap things up up at Cooper’s north in Timonium with my pal, Terry, cancer survivor. So we tell him some stories. All are brought to you by the Maryland lottery, in conjunction with our friends at wise markets and some wise conversations. It is always a wise conversation when I get together with this guy. He has been stationed in Jacksonville for the better part of four decades. He is a Jacksonville television legend. He’s been on TV there for three, four decades. He was behind John Burian here for five minutes, but he is a Woodlawn guy, and he is the Pro Football Hall of Fame voter in Jacksonville and as a historian of all things Jaguars. But really is from Woodlawn, Maryland. He is a West Side guy. It is always good to have our quarterback around here. Sam COVID has joins us from Jacksonville. They got a new head coach and drama. And I tell you what, every time you guys at Jackson will come on, you say nice things about shot con and the Jaguars and all of that. But I tell you what, there’s a little stigma going on there about coaching and hiring and all of that, and you’re trying to put some people in the Hall of Fame. It’s a little bit of a rocky boat Jacksonville right now. Football wise, Sammy
Sam Kouvaris 01:42
big time. By the way, I had lunch with John last summer, but we met up just outside of Columbia. We had a great time. John Bjoern, I told him, never, yeah, never coming to Baltimore, not doing this again. So we had a we had we spent a couple hours together just sitting there laughing and talking about old times, which is what old guys do. But you know, you’re right about Jacksonville. Here’s a couple of stats for you. The Jaguars are the losing is professional sports franchise in the last 10 years, not just football. I’m talking about all of professional sports. That’s one thing. The other thing is, when the Jaguars take their first snap in September, they will have been in Jacksonville longer than the Colts were in Baltimore. So for all
Nestor Aparicio 02:26
these colts, you mean these cults, the Baltimore COVID, these
Sam Kouvaris 02:28
colts, that’s right, those exact cults, the, you know that. And you know that’s for all the talk about, oh, the team’s leaving. It’s doing this. This is happening. You know, obviously teams of fix. You hearing about to build a $1.5 billion Stadium at minimum cost overruns thanks to shot con. But, you know, since he owned the team, since he bought the team in 2012 you know, they’ve had, you know, kind of one, one big winning season where they almost got to the Super Bowl, they lost in the AFC Championship game up in New England to Tom Brady and Julian Edelman and and Bill Belichick and that company. But outside of that, I mean, they’ve been they’ve been not fair, they’ve been poor. They’ve been a, you know, not a good football team. I thought Doug Peterson was going to be the answer, and I still think he probably was the answer. And I wrote on Sam sports line.com a couple of weeks ago, of the three things I thought Chad should have done, he chose door number three, and that was fired Doug. Yeah, I think he should have. Spired bulky first asked Doug whether he wanted to stay and get rid of his coordinators, and, if not, completely clean house. But, you know, finally, they, you know, they, as I always say, when you’re off course, make a course correction. Get it, you know, get it right. And Liam Cohen probably was the second or third, kind of most popular pick in the league. Ben Johnson being number one, variable probably being number two. But, you know, you knew he was going to New England, so, so they kind of got the guy they wanted. Was a lot of drama with Tampa Bay and all that, and Cohen going back there, and as much as they tried to deny it yesterday at the press conference, there’s no way Cohen’s coming here, if bulky still the GM, so I’ve advocated for Tony Vasily to be a part of this franchise for a long time. Think shot’s getting closer to that probably make him an EVP and give him some culture setting responsibilities in the in the in the building, but, you know, shot, shot keeps his own counsel. Nestor, he doesn’t talk to a lot of people. That’s why he hired that buffoon, Urban Meyer, you know, and then, you know, turn around and finally, fix that shortly. There was kind of an
Nestor Aparicio 04:38
embarrassment, right? And, you know, I mean, for organizations to have embarrassments and and they start to stack up a little bit, it then becomes more difficult to get the candidate you want, and that would be in any walk of life, right? And when you’re not getting the best candidates there, Monk and was, you know, linked to that, I don’t know that Belichick would sign up. For it, or that it would be available in that way. But, I mean, Pete Carroll got a job last week, right? And the Tom Brady thing in the broadcasting thing, and the Raiders thing. I mean, there’s just a lot of shifting when things are bad, amongst other things with absentees in it to begin with that, but, but, but Cleveland, it’s just, it’s a revolving door, and it’s either quarterback leadership coaching, but in Tampa, it feels like it’s been a little bit of all of the above, and maybe you’ve wrecked Trevor Lawrence, maybe that the quarterback all along,
Sam Kouvaris 05:32
the quarterback is still the right guy and and that’s one thing COVID said correctly yesterday, that they’re going to build the offense around Trevor, which is what they they needed to do. And, you know, this will be his fourth offensive, his fourth play caller in the five years he’s been in the league, you know. And that’s difficult for a guy, I think, to to constantly be changing what the terminology is, kind of what the concepts are, you know, why weren’t the Jaguars in the Derrick Henry sweepstakes? Well, they thought that, you know, tank Bigsby and Travis ATN were better. I mean, you know, that stuff just doesn’t make any sense. This, this ever since they fired Tom Coughlin in 2001 and that’s, that’s ages ago, and they needed to at the time, because nobody was going to buy a ticket to a Tom Coughlin coach team they have yet to ever rebuild any kind of culture. If you remember back then, the Jaguars were in the AFC Central, and Coughlin was building the team to compete with the Steelers, because the Steelers were the gold standard. And when you when you watch Jaguar Steeler games, they look like Baltimore, Pittsburgh games are now tough, hard. I mean, why have the Steelers had three coaches in the last 70 years, right since 1970 Chuck Noll, Bill cower and Mike Tomlin? Because they have a culture that, you know, James Harrison and Greg Lloyd are the same player. You know, they’re the they just change names. They look for the same kind of guy they have. If you’re going to play the Steelers, I don’t care what team you are, what do you expect? Hard, tough, physical, the Jaguars that have never they’ve always been chasing after, like the next shiny thing all the time. Oh, let’s, let’s trade Coleus Campbell while he’s the reigning Walter Payton Man of the Year for a fifth round pick to the Ravens. Well, you saw what Mike McDaniel said this year. About 12 weeks into the season, the Ravens wanted him back, and McDaniel went to the GM in colas and said, You’re much too valuable here, not just on the field but in the locker room. We’re not changing. We’re not letting you go. And that’s the kind of thing the Jaguars have never done. They’ve always gotten rid of players a year or two early. They’ve always, never considered the impact it may have in the locker room. You know, it just they haven’t built a culture that that I think breeds any kind of winning, any kind of accountability, which is why I’ve advocated for Bocelli, because he is that kind of guy. He was the sheriff on those teams. Wasn’t Brunel. Brunel is not that personality. Trevor’s not that personality. It was Fred Taylor and it was Tony Boselli who kind of set the tone there.
Nestor Aparicio 08:14
Sam covidrus is here. He is a Baltimorean via Jacksonville. He won the the sweepstakes on the weather, at least, maybe not last week, when it was snowing in Jacksonville. But most of the time, you’ve managed to avoid the snow, as well as the sand traps down there in Ponte Vedra as well your hall of fame voter. And you’ve been one for a long, long time. You’re the Jacksonville person. You can speak to the history of all of that. And with yando, with Steve Smith, with Terrell sugs up. I’ve tried to go out. And I looked, when I got the list of 49 I realized I know half of you really well. And I figured by the end of the month, I’ll have half of you on. I think you’re maybe the 11th or 12th voter I’ve had on since Christmas. Ish, you know when we were chasing down Vic Carucci and buffalo, because we’re playing them and whatnot. Um, your thoughts on the three Raven oriented players and Steve Smith’s, obviously Carolina IRAs already blowing me up on that one. But in regard to Suggs and in regard to yonda, I think so much of the Hall of Fame, first off, people think of it as this big thing. It’s 49 people. People think it’s still in a room. It’s not. It’s on Zoom. I think they see it play out in this Honors Program and the television, part of what it’s become in the modern era, but the log jam, and I call it politics, I think it’s more like pick one wide receiver, Heinz Ward, Tory old Reggie Wayne, or Steve Smith. Well, Heinz war can’t even get onto the ballot. Steve Smith’s on it now. And I think if I have to pick through the four of them, and I’m thinking if I had to defend against him. As a coordinator, if I’m a cornerback, have to play them on any given Sunday in their prime. Not is he playing with Peyton Manning? Is he playing with Kurt Warner? You know who is court just trying to take it the way you guys try to take this body of work for all of these people, and separate that that’s one position. Then Suggs has to deal with jared allen and every other rush. Uh, Marshall yonda has to deal with whatever the history is of offensive lineman. Um, it’s we talk about Justin Tucker like he’s the goat. He’s just going to get in. And I’m like, Alright, bring a kicker into that room in 2031 and tell me who he’s up against, Lamar Jackson or a kicker, because it usually winds up being like that, right?
Sam Kouvaris 10:19
No, without question. And you know, venetary was, is in the room this year. I mean, you know, I mean, I don’t know, how you how do you keep venetary out, but get him in, you know? How do you get him in there? Yeah, right, yeah. So, you know, you’re right. It’s a harder job than I think it looks like from the outside. So when people really criticize us, me personally, a lot of times, you know, I get a lot of BS from people, and I just realized early on, they don’t understand the process at all. And it’s a it’s a very difficult process for the fact that these guys made it to the final 15. That’s one big thing you got to remember, though, when it comes to wide receiver, and you look at those wide receivers, you could say, and you use the word they talk about, there’s a log jam at wide receiver. Well, when, when it was Chris Carter and Tim Brown and those guys, I thought all those guys were Hall of Famers. I mean, is it, is, is it really a log jam at wide receiver? Does every or do a lot of people just don’t think that those guys are Hall of Famers. Maybe they’re not, you know. I mean, if you can explain to
Nestor Aparicio 11:23
me, like I, you know, I think, like he played in a miracle system, you know what? I mean, like for me, on a miracle team, and I know everybody’s pissed that they’re too many, I have balls around lesbian, too many Rams in, you know, from that team. And I’m thinking, I love Tory hold, you know. So, I mean, I can, I can make that case, but I don’t know when there’s 49 of you it with all varying opinions about art. Modell, we went through that with Tony grossi, and years ago, we’ll always go through the art. Modell, thing you and me, but when it comes to players, and when it comes to a guard who has no stats, you know, comparing that to a kicker who didn’t ever make a tackle, right? Right? Let
Sam Kouvaris 12:03
me tell you when, when? First of all, the the Baltimore guys that you mentioned, the most impressive resume is Marshall yanas resume. I mean, it’s just, I mean, how can you not vote for him until you start stacking it up against the other guys? And remember, there’s 15 of those, and you can only vote for five. That’s it. That’s all you’re allowed to vote for. So and they changed 80% 80% and they’ve changed the rules this year. We got new bylaws that they that they sent us recently, about how we’re going to vote for it used to be you got down to the last five, and then you had to get an up or down, up or down vote, and you had to get 80% now they’re going to take it down to seven, and the guys with 80% get in. So it’s going to be it’s going to be interesting to see how that works. It’s a lot about what they’re doing these days with the hall that I don’t like, and I’ve had that discussion a couple of times with with the president of the hall. Believe it or not, I may be the most tenured person on the committee. This was my 31st year on the committee. Wow,
Nestor Aparicio 13:08
Jacksonville never had anybody else, right, no. And,
Sam Kouvaris 13:12
and I think this was John McLean’s 30th year, and I remember I was on a year, a year before John who? How
Nestor Aparicio 13:18
many were on it? 96 when you found it then 32 so now it’s up
Sam Kouvaris 13:23
to 4090. Was on a 95 they appointed me in 94 my first meeting was not 9095 in Glendale. And you know when I walked in there as a young, young guy, it’s an impressive group when you first walk in there, and particularly when it’s in person, and they’re hoping to get back. And I think they may, he’s in that room, will McDonald I was about to tell you, I think they may get back. They may get back to doing it in person. Steadman was in that room once they built the hotel. Of course, growing up in Baltimore, I walk in and John steadman’s There, okay? And I mean, he’s an icon to me, and he was always so friendly to me at the other places that I saw him, at Augusta National, at a Colts game, he was always very nice to me. You’re
Nestor Aparicio 14:09
special because you were from Baltimore, from Baltimore. Yeah, that No. But
Sam Kouvaris 14:15
you know, Edwin Pope from the Miami Herald theirs, and Tom McEwen from the Tampa Tribune is there, and will McDonough from the Boston Herald is there. And Jack Buck is is standing there. And Furman Bucha from the Atlanta Journal Constitution is there. And, I mean, these are in, you know, when you’re in our business, you know, a lot of people idolize and of course, I did John and Brooks and all that on the same way
Nestor Aparicio 14:37
I and I tell Tom Davis that he don’t believe it. And, you know, Vince was that, like, I Chris Thomas, we talked Bagley like, I mean,
Sam Kouvaris 14:44
the first time I met Vince Bagley, I was kind of speechless. So, you know, and there’s a guy who, you know, had handwritten notes in front of him and stuff. But, you know, it’s, it’s just, it’s just an interesting process. There are some forces of personality in that. Room. The problem is, part of the problem, I think, is that they’ve expanded the they’ve expanded the committee now to 49 it has been 50 but when it was 32 and we met in person, it was a continental breakfast at and beforehand, the meeting started at seven, and the announcement was at noon. Now there’s 49 people on the committee. We’ve gotta go over three seniors, a contributor and a coach, and 15 modern era players all in the same day, all now on Zoom, and they serve, or when we meet in person, they serve two full meals. And then there’s a TV show. Alright, this isn’t about the TV show, and that the previous administration of the hall seemed to be much more focused on the television show than they were on Hey, this is an important thing. We’re literally changing a guy’s life. You know, when you put H, O, F behind your name, you you’re a speaker, all of a sudden your number goes up dramatically. You know, all those kinds of things that that happen. So I think eventually we’ll, we’ll probably all meet in Canton, and I wouldn’t mind seeing them change it to Hall of Fame weekend up there, you know, in in August, and totally separated from the Super Bowl and everything else. Bring it. Get get away from all this other stuff be your own thing. And I think the thing has enough weight that it can carry itself. But, you know, we’ll see what happens. I do think an interesting
Nestor Aparicio 16:29
summer conversation in August, when nothing else is going on and kick off the season, to say these guys are getting in next summer. I love that. And, you know, I’ve all you know, I would be be the highest honor of my life, and I think I’m as qualified as anyone to do it after covering the sport for 27 years of getting thrown out. But it I when I was young, I thought I wanted to be on the committee. As I’ve gotten older, and I feel like I’m qualified now, I look at it and say, Oh my God, for all of you, a lot of work, a lot of screen things that I’m used to as a public figure here, and people pissed off or whatever. I’m not worried about that. I just feel like it’s, it’s really a lot of work that you guys put in that’s not as appreciated as it should be. And that’s why I wanted to bring you on this month. Because people, when Marshall makes it or doesn’t make it, or see, you know, however it goes, my guy doesn’t make it, they’re mad at something or somebody. And I’m like, I know half they’ll be mad
Sam Kouvaris 17:22
at Scott. They’ll be mad at Scott, right? And it’s Scott.
Nestor Aparicio 17:26
I don’t know about that. I don’t know that there’s that much juice that people really want to see Suggs do anything. Well, I think Marshall has much more emotion involved, but not so much that if he doesn’t get in or next year, or whatever. And to your point. Every one of you I’ve talked to tells me yonda Is the is of the three names here in Baltimore. He’s the most accomplished, and he’ll get in first. You’re like the fifth or sixth person this week to tell me that, think
Sam Kouvaris 17:53
about the responsibility that Scott Garcia had, you know, to for this this year, to make three presentations to that group out of the 15 that were made, and I’m presenting Fred Taylor, who, by the way, from a statistic standpoint, it’s a no brainer, but nobody saw Fred play, and the Jaguars didn’t win any Super Bowls. And you know, he told in Jacksonville. But when you start comparing his stats, you’re like, how’s this guy not in already? And Tom Coughlin even said to me, if he played for me in New York, Fred Taylor to already be in the Hall of Fame and that. And that’s probably true, Winning is
Nestor Aparicio 18:33
important, and it’ll be important for Lamar and for all the rest of these guys, sure,
Sam Kouvaris 18:36
right? And I, and I look at how much work that I put into I put into baseli for the six years that he was a finalist and finally got in. And how much work I put in for Fred, I can’t imagine how much work Scott’s putting in for all three of those guys of the 15 presentations that that he’s going to have to make. So you’re right. Glad I don’t have to make
Nestor Aparicio 18:56
the Suggs presentation at least. Hey, you know, at this point that wouldn’t be a good one for me to make. Sam covidrus is here. He is been my friend for a long, long time. He’s been on television in Jacksonville for a lifetime. He’s now on the golf course from time to time, and you can catch up with him. Sam still does some sports, and you can find him down in Jacksonville. He’s easy to Google to find out on social media as well. In the voting process, do you have anything you say on these candidates, as far as the Baltimore candidates, for your thoughts about them as candidates,
Sam Kouvaris 19:29
you can call me. You can call me somebody who would be in the category of anti recency bias, all right, because there are, there are, there are people on the committee who young people in particular. And I hate to sound like, Get off my lawn, but you know, hey, look, we put in a lot of first ballot guys. First ballot guys to me, are ladies and gentlemen, John Unitas and sit down. Okay, that’s a first ballot. Guy outside of that, when you gotta kind of explain this and that and this and that, there are other people that I’ve heard their presentations. I’ve heard they have said about them for five years. Jared Allen, I think, is a very good example. Antonio Gates, last year did not get in. A lot of people thought he was a first ballot guy. And if you I mean, he scored, what, 108 touchdowns or something, you know, ridiculous like that. So, so when you know, when you when you start to look at the 15, and you start to formulate in your mind, alright, you get and I can tell you this Nestor, when I cut from 15 to 10, which is the first cut. I can usually do that, because it’s guys who, you know might be the first time as a finalist, and I know they’re going to get back in. When I cut from 10 to five, I’m cutting five Hall of Famers. These are guys that are going to get in. But I gotta decide it’s this guy or that guy. And, you know, to me, you know, it’s like this year, hey, the control. How Ralph hay is not involved. He still helped found the National Football League is beyond me, you know, but I’m sure for years and years, people kept saying, Oh, well, he’ll get it next year. He’ll get it next year. Well, it that now, all of a sudden, it’s 80 years later. You know, it’s time for a guy like Ralph hay to get in the Hall of Fame, obviously. And to me, that’s where, that’s how I look at the hall. Let’s get the people in. You know, it’s, it doesn’t have to be guys who played yesterday. Doesn’t have to be guys who had highlights on, you know, YouTube, it can be guys who are. You know, it’s kind of like when my friend Peter King said Chris Carter is the greatest boundary receiver in the history of the NFL. And I looked at him and said, Really, Peter, I know, you know, Raymond Berry and that that created a little bit of
Nestor Aparicio 22:03
spark in there. Well, it’s, I’m sure there’s a lot of spark in there with a lot of people that feel strongly, like you do about you felt strongly about Tony Pacelli for a number of years. People just said, he got hurt. He got hurt. He got hurt. And you know, I think for the Kirby pockets, or the people that had shortened careers in various ways, to say Terrell Davis being another one of them to say how great was he? I don’t know. Then there’s the longevity of the yondas and and Suggs, who still, when they get there, there’s somebody lying in front of them. And as it probably should be, it’s hard to get in the Hall of Fame, as you pointed out, right?
Sam Kouvaris 22:34
Harold Davis had basically a three year career, you know, but it is statistically the greatest postseason running back in history. So, I mean, you know, there are a lot of shifting things that happen during those meetings. And, you know, it’s kind of how Owens got in there. You know, there’s just a lot of different, different things that that happen that some of its momentum, you know, which sounds weird, but absolutely some of its momentum. But, you know, I think this, this year’s class, will be interesting to to hear the presentations, to hear what everybody kind of, kind of thinks about people on the positive and the one of the good things is, and the bad thing is, is that there’s too many people on the committee. The good thing is, is that there are enough guys and women on the committee who are willing to dissent. Doctor Z Paul Zimmerman used to call the majority of the committee silent assassins, because they would never say anything, and then they’d vote no. You know it’s like, Hey, if you gotta if you got a no vote, I want to hear from you. And John Clayton asked me that in a meeting once about Lawrence Taylor, and I said, I think he’s the greatest defensive player in the history of the league, but I said part of our bylaws here says contributions to the game, and I think his contributions to the game right now are negative. Well, that was a bad meeting because it was a lot of and somebody recorded the meeting. And I know that because the next day I was quoted in the New York Post perfectly. Alright, that’s exactly what I said. And you know, somebody’s recorded if they quote you perfectly. But you know, Lawrence Taylor got in, and that’s that the committee spoke, and that was the end of my discussion. But
Nestor Aparicio 24:25
I would say, you know, fellas, I’ve been in a lot of locker rooms, ladies as well, Shereen and the other ladies in the room. See, in a lot of locker rooms, have any of you ever stood in the locker and had a player put their pinky in their mouth and stick it in your ear while you have a notebook in the next locker. Have you ever had anybody? Have you ever have a player, literally, while a player is being interviewed, stand behind him on a stool and drop his pants with his ass on his teammate’s head while your cameras are rolling? Yeah? I was something that happened, not not that, not that specific. So that would be my, you know, like Terrell Suggs was a disrespectful human in regard and that not even the bleach or the things that we can’t consider. But I, to me, it’s a Hall of Fame, not a hall of shame, you know, to some degree. And we could talk Ty Cobb and and Pete Rose and steroids and baseball and all that. But I do think they’re, you know, you want men of of character. And I say men because they’ll men play football, men of character in the Hall of Fame for me.
Sam Kouvaris 25:31
So there was a big there was described in our Bibles, extent to the locker room. Consequently, you know, Terrell Owens, Charles Haley, I think are two good examples of, you know. I mean, what kind of teammates were those guys? You know, Haley, you know, apparently, was diagnosed as being bipolar. Terrell Owens was, you know, basically thrown off of five teams. Both of them are in the Hall of Fame, though, because of the kind of players that they were, even though. And my argument was, if we’re going to sit around and pontificate that this is the ultimate team game, what kind of teammate you are should count, right? But, you know, the committee getting thrown
Nestor Aparicio 26:18
off of five teams, right? Like it? I mean, Earl Thomas, when he comes up, I you know, go talk about what happened on the field. We dealt with it here. And Eric the Costa made a $55 million mistake here. So Sam, COVID is here. I’m having a little transmission. I’ll get you back on. We’ll get better. Wi Fi, you know, I love you. Danny, Jacksonville. I hope it heals soon. Down there. For all of you, you know, we got Lamar going on up here, and you’re watching from afar, but you know, quite frankly, they haven’t pee to drop here. And we had the whole backlash last week where Andrews drops the ball. What would John Steadman make it to? Sam Andrews drops the ball and then doesn’t show up for the podium with the season on the line like our generation, just that. Just never, ever. I had Joe Flacco on today, who threw a pick to Paula malo in an AFC Championship game. He threw the the pass to Lee Evans that got batted away. And I said to him, why did you go to the podium? Every time you went to the podium? And he took this long, pregnant pause. He He went, want to be honest, I didn’t think I had a choice. You Yes,
Sam Kouvaris 27:23
and that’s the way it should be. I mean, you know, guys are, and I rarely talk about money, but you know, you’re paid a lot to do that job, and when you fail at that job, part of your responsibility is to explain why, right? I mean, you know, there’s one thing about dealing with the fans, people who had money on the game or whatever. But there’s a whole other thing with just being a professional, and that’s part of being a professional.
Nestor Aparicio 27:48
Sam, I love you, man. I appreciate you. I’m gonna get down to see Miss Wassel, my kindergarten teacher in Yule Lee. I might even honor the Derek Henry. I gotta you know before I get going here, because I’ve been showing you all of this stuff. I picked this up, and this honors you Lee Florida as well as Alabama, but I picked up the Houston Oiler throwback for Derek Henry. And you know, since Chad Steele threw me out, I haven’t really been wearing Raven stuff because, you know, they don’t want me around. But I love the Derrick Henry, the Henry jersey. So I wore this one in your jet, one of Jacksonville’s finest, right? Like, if the franchise was awesome, he would have wanted to play there, right?
Sam Kouvaris 28:26
I don’t know, I know why he didn’t go to Florida. I mean, he’s got some family issues here in North Florida, but, you know, the Jaguars not pursuing him. It’s just, it just showed you kind of, you know, kind of, what they thought that and the clay is thing just boggle my mind.
Nestor Aparicio 28:42
We’ll always have this. Sammy, don’t forget, we’ll always have our history. Sam COVID has joins us here from Jacksonville. He will be voting in the Pro Football Hall of Famer has already voted. The announcements coming out next week. We’re doing a couple Super Bowl for the Maryland Food Bank and local subsidiaries local pantries in the communities will be a cost us on Monday, Tuesday, we’re going to be at fade leads at Lexington market, which is coming to Catonsville soon. Wednesday, we’re going to be at Cocos in laraville. Thursday, we’re going to be in state fair in Catonsville on Sam’s side of town. And then Friday, we’ll wrap it up in Timonium amaze chapel at Coopers north. Bring out canned goods. Bring out dry goods. It’s the coldest week of the year. Coldest time of the year. Pantheons are drying up. Do some good deeds next week, and come out and support us. We’re going to be telling stories all week, of community organizations, charitable organizations, and, quite frankly, Baltimore positive stories. I’m Nestor, we’re wnst. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, and we never stop talking Baltimore positive you.
