After a Sunday afternoon of football with Washington at Baltimore in a meaningful NFL game, Luke Jones and Nestor discuss the historical perspective of the region, franchises and the future of Lamar Jackson and Jayden Daniels.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Baltimore Ravens, Washington Football, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, NFL rivalry, Tampa Bay, Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, Cincinnati Bengals, New York pizza, Phil Jackman, birthday week, crab cake tour, secondary market, football bragging rights
SPEAKERS
Luke Jones, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S T, Towson, Baltimore, Baltimore, positive. We are a positive, positively into a birthday week without a crab cake tour. But we had such a nice crab cake, and we had a whole pizza, and I can go get more pizza. I didn’t even get any cheese steaks when I was at a pizza Johns on Friday. You’ll hear those conversations from our birthday celebration. It was Luke’s birthday, Leonard’s birthday, my birthday, Jim Palmer’s birthday, Thomas dolby’s birthday, Stacy keiblers birthday, all of our birthdays, all are brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery. Raven scratch offs to give away lucky batches. We’re putting the crab cake tour back together. Our friends at Liberty, pure solutions, as well as our friends at curio wellness sending us out on the road to do 26 oysters in 26 days. We have a fancy new logo up on the front of the website that I will get here to our video operation at some point this week. But Baltimore, Washington Todd rungren, the death of the late great Phil Jackman of the evening sun, who you will hear this week. But yeah, Baltimore versus Washington itself is something to be celebrated when you’re my age, Luke. But more than that, I think about the history of the Stephen Davis game or the Haskins game, these games that didn’t matter so much on their side because they’ve not been good at all, matter on our side most of these years because we’ve been decent, but certainly hasn’t felt like my team’s better than your team, or what? Tony Romo. And by the way, what a terrible broadcast. Tony Romo. And I’m, I’m not usually hard on broadcasters, but thumbs down on that. That, you know, they called the bragging rights for four years in the DMV. We’re not in the DMV, we’re Baltimore, but we won. And I guess we learned they have a quarterback. But the thing that I learned when tickets were $300 on game day and the weeks leading up to it, and they were bucks two weeks ago, like they should have been, but all of their fans bought all of the tickets and all of the and didn’t have to get on a plane to do it, and they drove in, you were there. I witnessed it on TV. On TV. It was alarming. I mean, it was like, wow, because I think they had a lot of the better tickets. I don’t know what the roof looked like. I know you only have access to so much of the stadium from the Kevin burn press box, where you sit in the corner now, but what did, what did you make of the whole thing, because it was a carnival atmosphere. Only brought on, and I guess the Philly fans will come down in six weeks. Maybe the weather won’t be as good, but when the place fills up and it gets a big game, it, it, the city comes to life. Yeah. I
Luke Jones 02:36
mean, look, it was a good atmosphere. I mean, certainly there were Washington fans. I mean, you know, people always ask me, What’s the ratio like, like, I have any like, specific skill to really try to parcel that out, but it’s 70,000 people. And, oh yeah, I’m trying to pay attention to a football game too. But look, whatever it was, 8000 10,000 whatever, what? You know, I don’t think it was, you know, wasn’t half and half or anything like that, but they were loud and they and they were excited, and they’re passionate, and they’re enthused, and they’re galvanized by the fact that, as I said in a previous segment, I mean, they have new ownership that can actually sell hope with Jaden Daniels, which they haven’t really had until, you know, going back to Robert Griffin the third for five minutes, right? And you hope Jaden Daniel stays healthy, and obviously that that knee injury derailed RG three in his rookie year. That was sensational. But, you know, I It’s such a weird dynamic, because, you know, you’re only guaranteed to play one real game every four years. I mean, now you have that 17th game that can, you can get a stray one in there every now and then, depending on what place each team fits or finishes in. And so you could have a few more. But, you know, yeah, there’s some bragging rights. And yeah, I mean, Kyle Hamilton and some other players have even talked about. I mean, they, you know, some of the Ravens players, know commanders players locally, and these guys, they’re in their early to mid 20s, they they have a social life, and sometimes they might even venture out into DC or or wherever, and run into guys. So there’s a little bit of that, but we know that there’s no real rivalry, right? And so much of that is Washington not being very good for the last quarter century. The team is not playing very frequently. And let’s face it, a lot of the bitterness that was there from the older generations, and even say my age, who didn’t experience the Colts, but certainly remembers Jack Kent Cooke wanting to brand Baltimore as his NFL territory for the longest time. You know that that wanes over some time, right? And I’m not saying whether it should or not, whether that’s good or bad or not. I just think it’s reality. I’m not saying that it’s not there anymore, but it’s certainly not there in the way that Ravens fans were juiced up when, when BAM Morris ran for a buck 30 against them at. Down at ralgen in 1997 right in the rain. So, so, so, you know, you lose some of that over time, but I think this has the potential to be something that can be fun beyond Washington ending the Ravens preseason winning streak last summer, which got attention for five minutes, if you recall, but
Nestor Aparicio 05:18
it’s almost like the franchise didn’t exist for a long stretch of time to any of us, to any of us in the same way that they probably would have said that, you know, I had our skins fans years ago that didn’t take our purple Bernie Barney Jersey seriously in the beginning, like we’re not a real franchise. You’re not a real thing. The Orioles probably felt that way to a lot of the Nationals fans when they’re winning championships, but it’s been forever. I mean, yeah, the angst that I once had for the earthse family, even for the Steelers, the angst you would have for that the Yankees, that other team, or whatever, I grew up in an environment here in the 80s and 90s, where everyone here universally hated them for what they represented to our city and keeping football out of our city. And that was very that was very real. That’s not some bullshit made up. Their owner tried to keep tried to make the concept of the Baltimore Ravens not exist, right?
Luke Jones 06:17
Well, and look, I agree. I mean, I hated your father. Knew that for sure. Yeah, no question. That said, with any rivalry, if it’s going to persist, let alone grow, you still need something that’s feeding the fire, and there just hasn’t been anything to feed that fire for most of the last 25 years, right? I
Nestor Aparicio 06:39
mean, it wasn’t even fun, like going down the Nissan pavilion or Jiffy Lube live or the Warner theater and putting a raven ad on and even making them eat it. Like, yeah. I mean, that wore off 15 years ago. Like, literally,
Luke Jones 06:52
right? I mean, we’ve even talked about it and looked the ravens and the Steelers playing twice a year, the Steelers, despite the fact that the Ravens have been better in the regular season for several years now, the Steelers have still figured out a weird way to have their number, but we’ve even agreed that Raven Steelers isn’t quite what it used to be when you lose Hall of Fame over the top, bravado, rash personalities that this rivalry had for the longest time. Of course, you’re gonna go through ebbs and flows, as far as that goes. But, but with this Washington thing, you didn’t even have that, right? I mean, you don’t play and again. Forget about preseason games, you know, forget about joint practices, like when you don’t play a real game more often than every four years. I mean, it’s really difficult to cultivate anything there, even the Orioles and nationals play every year, at the very
Nestor Aparicio 07:45
least. Well, I’ll give you an example. I’m an old oiler fan. Everybody knows that I was wearing my oiler gear over the weekend my Earl Campbell throwback for my birthday. Um, they always wanted that cowboy Houston thing to mean something and Texans cowboys, but you moved the Astros from the National League into the American League and put them in a division. That’s a thing.
Luke Jones 08:05
That’s a thing, sure, no question. So, so everything you mentioned about Washington 30 and 40 years ago was absolutely true, but you still you need something to feed the fire over time, and there just hasn’t been so maybe that happens now with Jaden Daniels look. I mean, these teams aren’t guaranteed to play again until 2028 unless you know that 17th game it works out where they play or they see each other in the Super Bowl. I mean, boy, if you want to talk about starting a Baltimore, Washington football rivalry, meeting in the Super Bowl would certainly do it. But you know
Nestor Aparicio 08:39
well, they have the quarterback to do it now, I think nothing else we learned on Sunday, that kid’s a real player, and if he stays healthy, you know, God willing, whatever, they’re going to be a something over the next five years to say that we’re going to be, there’s going to be more of a measurement point somewhere around Columbia or buoy or Laurel.
Luke Jones 08:57
No question, no question. So, so, so, so you have some that, I mean, there’s always, it’s always persisted in in terms of, there were Baltimore people and colts people who did adopt Washington. I’m not saying a lot, but there were, and I even know a couple in the course of my life. And then you had many, many more who rejected that premise. So you have, I know people, I have people in my life who kind of sort of gave up on Washington and kind of started liking the Ravens more, right? So, so, so you have some of that. I mean, you always, you know, we always think about these things in absolutes, but there are always Shades of Gray, even with fandom. But, yeah. I mean, if you’re going to have something that’s going to evolve into, I don’t even want to call it a rivalry, because, again, they’re just not going to play enough. But at least trying to one up one another, at least paying attention to the other side a little bit more often, then sure, Jaden Daniels arriving on the scene and look, they still have a ways. To go. They got to put the right players around him. They need to have the right coaching around him long term. You know, I think they’re off to a great start. But we’ve also seen, like I said, Robert Griffin, you know, 12 years ago, at this time, was the toast of this market, in terms of what he was doing, is the toast of the NFL. And then we saw what happened. So you pray for good health for anyone, you know? I mean, I’m not going to wish ill will on anyone from a health standpoint as it pertains to football or anything, but, you know, so they have a ways to go. But yeah, this feels like for the first time in a long time that, I mean, the Ravens have been in that space for several years now, waiting for them to take the next step and get back to a Super Bowl. But for Washington to even be in that conversation where you say, okay, the NFC East Philly doesn’t look very good right now. The giants are not good. The Cowboys are not good. I mean, Washington looks like the best team in that division right now. So you know what’s the next step for them and again at some point in time, whenever these teams might cross paths again. Who knows? Could be four years, or could be February, or next February, or something like that. Who knows, it is more fun. It certainly adds some juice. As a Ravens fan, certainly you don’t want to see people come into your into your stadium, but Ravens fans go into other other team stadiums all the time. You know, we see that. So I think it’s especially when you talk about such close proximity. I think there are very, very few places where that’s not You’re not going to have some of that. I think the secondary ticket market, we know how many secondary our options and brokers out there own season tickets. We know what teams do in terms of putting tickets out on the secondary market across sports, right or wrong. We know that happens. We talked about it. We talked about with the Orioles, we talked about it with other teams. But you know, so So I think it’s tough to ever be in a position to truly keep opposing fans out entirely. And yeah, you got a Washington team that a fan base that starved for anything to be excited about, and they’ve got the this amazing, encouraging young rookie quarterback who is playing well. And, oh yeah. It’s also their first chance to watch their team in Baltimore play Lamar Jackson, who is one of the very best, most popular players in the NFL. And you get a chance to go see them there and watch Lamar play. Keep in mind, in 2020 when the Ravens played down in Landover, that was a covid year, there were no fans so so I think there’s also some of that. It’s not just Washington being excited about their own team. I think, I still think we underestimate at times, as much as it’s crazy to say that, because we talk about them all the time, but the Lamar factor is real. Other Other teams, other fan bases. We saw this in London last year. People want to watch Lamar Jackson because he’s pretty darn special playing football. So So I think that probably factors in at least a little bit as well, but, but, yeah, it was a sizable portion of the of the crowd. And I wasn’t surprised to see that I saw the secondary market just like you. You knew that wasn’t Ravens fans, uh, paying 345, $100 a pop as you looked on some of the, you know, StubHub and what have you. But at the same time, I think, you know, it was fun, and we got a good football game out of it, and the Ravens got to win. And this just ups the UPS the challenge in four years for the ravens to go down to their place and take over their stadium, which we know that’s happened in the past as well.
Nestor Aparicio 13:38
Now I know how giants jets feels, or, you know, whatever Jones is here Baltimore, greater than Washington. Yet again, we’ll be hearing from Phil Jackman a little bit here this week. So if you hear Phil’s name or voice, so we lost one of the great godfathers to wnst and and my Uncle Phil, as I always said around here, if you hear him talking about Muhammad Ali or yesteramski or Earl Weaver, all of that will be going on this week here. And it’s also a birthday week for both Luke myself, Leonard Rask, we ate pizza. We had crab cakes at Pizza John’s, and learned how the pizzas were made and discussed pineapple pizza. How dare we discuss something so controversial here on am radio? I guess I’ll leave you with this just the big picture of extra day for Tampa. Um, probably a little bit of a respite, mini buy, for the team to take maybe Tuesday, Wednesday, Monday and Tuesday off, a little bit of a breather at this point in the season for a team, and I don’t think it needs it. I mean, felt like they needed it more a month ago than they did now, four game winning streak. Everybody loves them. Long time. Everybody’s healthy. Boy. I mean, the scope of this is really sky’s the limit in all of that, for where they are. But more than that, Tampa, Cleveland, you take the next quartile, as Billick would always say, and you know what these next couple of games will be for them? Winnable football game. Games here. I mean, they’re in a top five position in the league because they’ve looked like that football team, yeah,
Luke Jones 15:06
and really, they’ve looked that way since the first two games. I mean, even the Dallas game, as weird and as unnerving as that got at the end, let’s keep in mind what they did to Dallas the first three quarters. And Now, granted, the Cowboys aren’t, certainly aren’t looking like anything special, and that’s putting it kindly, but these next two weeks, even though you look at it and say back to back road games, that’s always a challenge, especially with that second one coming after a Monday night road game, we know that that’s a challenge at the same time. Look Tampa Bay, the Ravens can’t take lightly. Spunk ears team is scoring points. Baker Mayfield’s playing at a high level, but they certainly have talent at the wide receiver position. So, I mean, the Ravens deep past defense going to be under the spotlight again. I mean, I expect Lamar and this offense to score points, because that’s what they do. I mean, they’re going to score they’ve done that six games, even the first two games. It’s not like they got help. They were held up 10 points or anything like that, even in those two games, and they’ve been at just rolling ever since. But you know, are they gonna be able to stop Mike Evans and Godwin? You look at their assortment of weapons, so it’s definitely a challenge, but it’s an opportunity, as you mentioned, with an extra day, extra day to rest up a little bit. But also for this defensive coaching staff that, yes, includes Dean peas now to to look at things, continue to tweak things, make adjustments, maybe make personnel changes. I mean, as I mentioned, kind of in passing, we saw ardarius Washington, kind of step in as that third safety as the second half went on on Sunday, rather than Eddie Jackson put some stick him on his jersey, is what I say. Yeah, sure, yeah, oh, yeah. As much as I like artarius Washington, that was such a bad attempt at trying to catch a football that that wasn’t that’s not going to be on his his highlight video that he has, that he shows his kids one day, but, but, you know, I mean, that’s, it’s an opportunity. And then even on the back end, you know, regardless of what happens against Tampa Bay, I mean, to your, you said it earlier, better beat Cleveland. I mean, this is a Browns team that right now. I mean, they’re circling the drain. Deshaun Watson isn’t just this isn’t not playing up to a contract, right? We’ve seen plenty of quarterbacks. Joe Flacco was accused of that late in his career with the ravens, right? This is Sean Watson. Been one of the very worst quarterbacks in football this year. Statistically, analytically, he’s awful, not mediocre, not Oh, he’s overpaid. He’s been terrible, terrible, giving them no chance to win, right? I mean, they would be better off putting Jameis Winston in there. And I don’t say that as someone who thinks Jameis Winston, Jamis Winston’s a heck of a backup quarterback, but he’s kind of in the position he is at this point because of the erratic plays.
Nestor Aparicio 17:54
Browns fans pissed off as they’ve always I mean, they’re just always pissed off. They’re Browns fans, right? Watching Flacco perform, like, oh how crazy that is. I mean,
Luke Jones 18:05
they didn’t want to lose they wanted to keep them in the off season. I get why Cleveland did what they did, you know? I mean, you want to talk about a build in, like begging for a distraction. I mean, they would have been calling for Flacco in week one with Watson, the way he’s played, but, but, but, yeah, you look at these two games, I mean, the Ravens have a great chance here to be six and two, and that, we know that’s not the official halfway point, but it’s close enough still. And on the other side of that, you know, they, they play home against Denver. That’s another very winnable football game. And then after that, home against Cincinnati, at Pittsburgh, at the LA chargers, home against Philadelphia. So the schedule, they’re not saying that’s impossible by any stretch of the imagination. All those teams are going to look at the ravens and say, Oh, we got to play the Ravens. But certainly you look at these next three weeks. I mean, you’ve got a chance to, man, you can leave that. Oh, and to start, I mean, completely in the dust. You know, you could be in a position where, I mean, I’m not going to sit here and say the Ravens can’t be seven and two three weeks from now. They got to go play good football on the road these next two weeks, especially against Tampa Bay. Who is, you know, certainly, you know, a formidable offense. You know, formidable opponent, but you know, they’ve got a great opportunity here to be going into that Thursday night, November 7 game against Cincinnati, and who knows what the Bengals are going to be at that point. I think you and I and plenty of people, despite their record, are not ready to write them off, especially if they can figure out their defense even a little bit. But where are the where are the Bengals at that point? That could be a huge game, not just for the Ravens in terms of the division, but also, you know, if the Bengals stub their toe, even once or, let alone twice, over the next month. I mean, that’s a game that could completely bury them, right? So that’s, that’s. Uh, you know, that’s going to be a big one. You know, November, there’s some big matchups coming up. And, well,
Nestor Aparicio 20:03
Bengals have, uh, browns, eagles, Raiders, before we get to them. So and home games. Eagles and the Raiders are home games. They’re at Cleveland next week. So, um, you know, I don’t know, are they three and, oh, on their way? Are they five and four by the time they get there, four and five, whatever. Four or five you’re hanging around. If they’re at four and five, and we make them four and six, even they’re still hanging around.
Luke Jones 20:30
It does mathematically, yes, but at that point you’re looking at, by the way, their end of the
Nestor Aparicio 20:36
season schedule, really a lot of winnable games, their schedules, their schedules, chargers, Steelers, cowboys, Titans, browns, Broncos. They have Titans, browns Broncos, and then the Steelers at the end, to mean they they have winnable games. They really do. They do right?
Luke Jones 20:53
And I’m not writing them off. However, if they’re going to go on the kind of run that they’re going to need to go on to really put themselves firmly back in the mix of this. I mean, their defense has to play better to their credit. Hey, their defense played pretty well against the Giants. And it’s for whatever that’s worth. I mean, it’s the Giants,
Nestor Aparicio 21:10
by the way, their Christmas game with the ravens and the Texans looms, doesn’t it? That’s interesting. I
Luke Jones 21:14
mean, I mean I was, I mean, we were talking about that even when that came out. I mean, I, I’m but that’s
Nestor Aparicio 21:19
the next one I’m looking at saying, Boy, that’s a tough one. I mean, the Eagles is, you know, eagles coming, you know, I think they’re half of what they are. And, oh, by the way, Jim Harbaugh, we play the chargers, obviously, that Thanksgiving and the AFib and this and that, and his brother got pulled off the podium, right? I mean, I’m not a media member anymore. Scary
Luke Jones 21:37
couple minutes, yeah. I mean, it was great to hear, you know, I mean, obviously, came back to the sideline and, you know, he’s had this, this hard issue, that it’s something he’s had to manage in recent years. But, yeah, I think there was a, you know, there was definitely a sense of, you know, John wanting to find out, like, at least, hey, like, you know, is this really, really serious? Is this semi serious, like, what’s going on? So, fortunately, you know, he’s back on the sideline and seems to be okay. But, yeah, I mean, it’s there the chargers, you know, I
Nestor Aparicio 22:08
can’t figure them
Luke Jones 22:09
out just yet.
Nestor Aparicio 22:10
You know, they had a quarterback. I mean, I’ll give that, yeah,
Luke Jones 22:15
I mean, Justin Herbert. I mean, it’s, I’m fascinated to see, you know, where they’re going to go as the year goes on. You know, they just put Gus Edwards on IR unfortunately for the former Raven. But hey, JK Dobbins has done a nice job for them. And, you know, it seems like they’re having some some pass catching weapons start to emerge a little bit here and there. Obviously, a lot of turnover there. Um, no Keenan Allen anymore. No Mike Williams. So, I mean, they, they’ve turned things over. I mean, it’s Greg Roman. So how much do they want to throw to wide receivers anyway, right? Schedule, the Bengals
Nestor Aparicio 22:47
schedule. How much they do mirror each other. We play the same teams. It feels like the ones in the hopper to go. We’re going to see these teams and and they’re going to see these teams too. We’ll see how it goes. Yeah, yeah. So I only see two or three games on the Raven schedule. I’m going to look at and say they might lose two or three more. I mean, what put them at 1211, 1213, somewhere in there, based on how they’re going to play. This is only, this is a, this is a great opportunity for the ravens, and I think in beating the Washington football team the way they did this Tampa game national TV, with what’s happened down there, and pass rush on Baker Mayfield this week, we talk a lot about that.
Luke Jones 23:24
No question about it. No question. I mean, again, they’ve got to get heat on him. They’ve got to disrupt it’s a it’s a Buccaneers offense that has put up points. I mean, they’ve scored points, and Baker Mayfield has found a career Renaissance there. You know that that I don’t think many people expected. I mean, keep in mind, it wasn’t just being thrown out of Cleveland. This guy flamed out in Carolina. He was with the Rams for a minute, you know, did you know was okay there? I mean, won that one game once. What was there two days and won a game. So wasn’t all bad, but, I mean, he was very much turning into the journeyman backup, you know, that’s, that’s, that’s what his profile was very much looking like it was going to be kind of like Sam darnold, until he got to Minnesota. But, you know, he he’s certainly turned things around. And hey, with the way this ravens pass defense is playing, you can’t make any assumptions, right? You got to get better. Got to get better. Got to keep chasing that. I mean, they’ve got to figure that out. They did certain things, and at times they made some plays on Sunday, but, you know, still gave up 269 passing year. If
Nestor Aparicio 24:24
they lose, it’s going to be the secondary. It’s not going to because Lamar kicked the ball around, or Justin Tucker missed a kick, or whatever. If they’re in a bad circumstance to lose a game, it’s going to be because of the back end. I
Luke Jones 24:35
mean, you think so? I mean, look, any team, I mean, Patrick mahomes turns the ball over sometimes, right? At times, he turns it over a lot, right? I mean, that was kind of the story about his regular season last year. So So you never really know, but yeah, if you’re handicapping the way that the Ravens lose a game at this point in time, of course, it’s their past defense. I mean, the numbers don’t lie. They’ve been but
Nestor Aparicio 24:55
then that takes a quarterback at least as good as Gardner Minshew. Yeah. Yeah, well, who’s been benched, and that’s why I look at Baker Mayfield. Now look at Justin Herbert on the road. Now look at, you know, Texas Texans later in the year, more than Justin fields or or Russell Wilson, or certainly more than Deshaun Watson or some of the lesser lights. But we saw a really good quarterback here on Sunday, and they they did enough at home to win, but that goes back to Henry the offensive line, and what they’re producing on offense is deodorizing what a kid in his sixth game did to them defensively on Sunday,
Luke Jones 25:32
right and that’s where you keep coming back to just how dynamic, how efficient, how explosive, how unpredictable this offense has been and how much of a difference that makes. Look, I agree. I I’ve said, I’ve talked about the past defense a lot. It needs to get better at the same time. I don’t care how good the opposing offense is, if they don’t have a defense that can’t get a couple stops, and ultimately, Washington could not get a couple stops in that second half, it’s still incredibly difficult to beat this football team right now. So ravens are feeling good, not perfect by any means, but really trending in a positive direction, trending up, to say the least. So we’ll see how they fare going down to Tampa Monday night. And to your point, with everything, not just that team, but obviously, what’s been going on in that area with the, you know, the devastation with the hurricane and all that, it’s going to be interesting to see how they respond. And certainly, hey, you go on the road for a prime time game, you better come out playing well, because typically, you’re going to expect to get the best out of that home team and and that home ground,
Nestor Aparicio 26:41
I’m gonna have you do the peach Johns commercial, because you have peach Johns hat on. True or false, there’s pizza John’s leftovers in your fridge right now. True or False. True, oh, there is, oh there, okay,
Luke Jones 26:54
because I was asked okay, it’s because I was away. The truth, though, you don’t want to know how much one slice is left, so that’s gonna be my lunch
Nestor Aparicio 27:04
brother steals. So if your brother steals that slice, what happens in your house? Oh, no, it’s okay. I’m
Luke Jones 27:09
I’m benevolent. I’m charitable about it. I split it with them, you know. I mean, you right, you you were so kind. And Pizza John’s are so kind to send me home with a couple pies. And wait,
Nestor Aparicio 27:18
what did you get? What kind of I like to know this, because I never did.
Luke Jones 27:21
I did pepperoni on one and I did meat sauce on the other.
Nestor Aparicio 27:25
Those are, that’s just one, one in one, okay?
Luke Jones 27:28
Or sometimes I will combine them. I, you know, I like both on at the same you’re not
Nestor Aparicio 27:32
pepper, onion, sausage, olives. I
Luke Jones 27:36
mean, generally speaking, that’s not me with Mo most pizzas
Nestor Aparicio 27:39
out there. You know, when you go down to your place down in Wildwood, you’re just cheese or cheese, just cheese. That’s just cheese. I’m just asking. Man, no, no,
Luke Jones 27:49
it’s, yeah, I’m weird. I admit that that’s, let
Nestor Aparicio 27:52
me say something really weird about pizza, because I go to New York all the time, and I’m kind of anchoring New York. I’m pissed that we didn’t go to the game. I’m literally like, I was ready to go to the Yankees games last week. I’m watching them play. I’m looking at Janet Marie Smith out in LA and say, Please do next week and Dodger Stadium. And by the way, your dude, David Gilmore, is playing the Hollywood Bowl two weeks from now in LA. Oh. Shout out to Mike Rosenfeld, our chief intelligence officer, Information Officer around here. He went to Royal Albert Hall to see David Gilmore the other night. Sent me a picture. That’s awesome. One o’clock on Saturday, I get a picture. He’s in front of this building, and I’m looking, and I’m like, that looks like it’s eight o’clock. He’s in royal. That’s Dave Gilbert. That’s Pink Floyd. I mean, so experience, right? Yeah, yeah. So I got to get him on the show next week too. So, but the pizza thing when I go to New York now, you know, you’ve never really, well you and I’ve seen rats together in the Bronx. We’ve never really hung out together in Manhattan, which I love. I’ve had 100 slices of pizza in New York and 50 different places. I have discovered a place that I go and I take my wife there every time, like I discovered about two years ago. And it’s, it’s on Broadway at 27th it’s in the middle of, the middle of the middle it’s a newish place. They always say, if the damn make a pizza in that oven since 1952 don’t buy it New York or whatever. And it’s a place called triditas. You can look it up. It’s the little, little sub shop place, and it’s sort of in that Macy’s area, but, but not, it’s a newish place. And I saw the pizza in the wind, and I went, and it smelled good. And I looked at the 15 pies they have New York style there, and I picked out of all things, because people see me eating at Pizza John’s. They see all these toppings and pineapple and ham and pepperoni, and they think, I’m Gucci, and I, you know, I’m, I’m a Gucci piach. And ask anybody, um, I get a margarita. It’s just a little sliver of cheese and fresh basil on it, and it has, it’s the plainest. Craziest thing. It’s outrageous. I mean, it’s just, it’s just cheese sauce, dough and a little bit of basil, and that’s it. And I go to New York, and that’s what I get when I’m in Essex supreme peppers. I’ll throw it all on there. I’m not that way in New York, and that’s weird. So when you say you eat cheese pizza, and that’s your thing? Yeah, I, as much as I love Pete’s jobs, I can’t wait to get back to New York and have just a slice of that plain nothingness that I wind up I have one slice, and I go outside and I eat it, and I stay within the block and I run back in and get another slice, because I can’t just have one. Yeah? Well,
Luke Jones 30:38
I’ve been told, and I could be completely wrong on this. I haven’t spent that much time in New York City, but I’ve always heard that the benchmark for New York pizza is have it plain like that. Have cheese, right? You know, don’t throw up so much stuff on it that you can’t really taste the quality of the pie. So, you know, anyway, all right, yeah. I mean, I vary, and I like some other toppings here and there, but that’s for other pizza places, you know. So, you know, if
Nestor Aparicio 31:07
you would have put your press pass down for Yankees all games home, you know, next week, maybe we could go up and have a pie. You know what? I mean, maybe we anyway, Luke Jones is here. He’s Baltimore. Luke, he’s eating pizza. John’s pizza. We’ve been eating pizza. Johnson, we had a great time. On Friday, we did our Maryland crab cake. They do. They don’t just have a crab cake there. And I would say this, it is in the Pappas family of crab cake. The recipe, it’s very legit. It’s very good. Oh, right. You took one of your mother, right? Good.
Luke Jones 31:35
It’s good. Yeah. Well, my mom crazy. I said this in our previous segment, she, for whatever reason, doesn’t love pizza. John’s pizza. I think it’s crazy, but hey, to each their own, she always has gotten the cheesesteak and the crab cake sub there. And she, she’s loved it for years. So she, she’s known that they have a good crab cake. So, yeah, it’s a very it’s an underrated crab cake that people don’t know about because they just say, you got a pizza, John, you get pizza. John, you get pizza. I imagine that,
Nestor Aparicio 32:04
but that’s your controversy, man, I did the pineapple pie thing, and John Rallo, who is bigger than me, came on the website and said the cheesesteaks might be better than the pizza. And I said to him, You know what? And we we discussed this, that I’ve discovered my Wayne out and not put my tomatoes and lettuce or any toppings on. I just go double provolone, double provolone, cheesecake. And then I bring it home, and I doctor up when I get it home, because my wife likes pickles and weird ish on her thing. And I like lettuce tomato. And when you go to Philadelphia and you say lettuce and tomato, they look at you like, oh yeah. Dick Girardi looked at me. We were Joe’s major faux pas up in Philly. He’s like, you’re having a tourist cheesesteak in Philly. And I’m like, onions make me flatulent. Dick. He’s like, enough said, Get the lettuce. Luke Jones is here, hopefully our content doesn’t make you flatulent this week. We are but we are bursting over with a lot of hot air here. We have a lot of conversations this week with Phil Jackman, my dear friend The Godfather, one of the godfathers of W and I. I feel terrible that I did the documentary and only mentioned John Steadman and Charlie Eckman. So I owe Phil big time this week, especially. But I have unearthed the Jackman tapes, and I’m going to find that little savvy thing I put up and the Wimbledon. I don’t think I have a picture of Phil and I, but I’m going to start looking hard for it this week. Phil was buried on my birthday this week, on Monday, and we are going to honor him on Tuesday and Wednesday. You’re going to hear a lot of Phil Jackman here, Ali stories, just remsky stories, old Earl Weaver stories, hockey stories, oh, Luke. I unearthed a whole thing on journalism newspapers. Phil was the TV repairman. Phil was nasty before you were allowed to be nasty, before there was Twitter, before any of that, Phil would really hold to task John Burin and Jack Dawson and thank God me. By the time I came around, it was Milton Kent and Ray Fraser pooping on me, which is bad enough, which who I both saw at Guinness two weeks ago and had a beer with. But, but Phil was the original TV repairman, and Phil didn’t like my show like, like he used the euphemism that, if I heard Phil say it in his voice, I hope I have him on tape saying it, but I don’t think I do. It’s an FCC violation, probably, but not the way he said it, because he said it with a New England accent, if, if he saw me at a game in 1998 or 9898 99 I’ve been on here six, seven years, nasty Nestor, even when I was syndicated, although that took it a long way. Once I got syndicated, Phil was like you on 400 stations, you must be doing something right. But before that, he would say to me, ya show, toss it. It’s hard. Shit, is what he would say. So I brought Phil in a 2003 and he was on, he was on talking about his life the industry. I am so thrilled that I did it. Ray Bachman, shout out to you, because I know you were part of that back in 2003 as well. So we have hours of Jackman be the final time you hear him. Hero W NST, so tune it up. Tune it in. It’ll be out of Baltimore, positive it’ll be up at the podcast audio vault. Luke’s going to be covering football, and we’re going to be arguing about baseball. We had a great baseball conversation on Friday at Pizza John’s with my dearest friend John Keller, who, serendipitously just showed up at Pizza John’s and his girl ordered the stuffed shells. I who orders pasted pizza John’s What’s wrong with you people? Apparently it’s pretty good. I am Nestor. He’s Luke. We are wnst. Am 1570 celebrating birthdays, the loss of Phil Jackman, the defeat of the Washington football team, hockey season and Ovechkin looks twice as old as I do. We have a lot of things going on around here. Stay with us. We’re Baltimore positive. You.
