Reverend Alvin Hathaway and local businessman Martin Knott manage to corral Nestor Aparicio at the Encore pool in Las Vegas during May 2024 for “He’s Holy, I’m Knott” podcast, discussing his 40 years of Baltimore sports journalism leadership and what’s next for WNST and Baltimore Positive.
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SPEAKERS
Martin Knott Jr., Reverend Alvin Hathaway, Nestor Aparicio
00:07
Man, rev, we’re on a roll. We
Martin Knott Jr. 00:09
are on a roll. We just finished up with Stuart Pittman here at the Encore. Yes, we’re live at the Encore, poolside at the Maryland party, at
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 00:20
the Maryland party, and we’ve got a partier coming next. Yeah,
Martin Knott Jr. 00:24
I mean, and this guy has, I’d say, like, he’s legendary status, yes, yes, in Baltimore, as it relates to sports. He’s, you know, like he’s got this insane collection of recordings of, like, everything he’s ever recorded all this incredible stuff, wow. And, you know, he’s a voice, and he has a radio station, and you know, he’s going to put this
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 00:51
on the radio, he’s always been involved. I mean, we got to, we got to disclose that we’ve got Nestor here, and we’ve got to let people know that you got to listen what he has to say? Yeah, I think so. I think so some people don’t want to listen to what he has to say. Yeah, well, I
Martin Knott Jr. 01:05
mean, I think he’s right now, like, even as we are talking, you know, giving him ready, and we’re getting along, you know, runway here, yes,
01:12
yes. You know, he’s
01:13
posted.
Nestor Aparicio 01:14
I’ve been told I talk too much, yeah, so I’m trying to this, give you guys some air, and I just put this up. I put a social status up. I said, Well, this is going to be something. I’m a better guest than a host. Okay, well,
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 01:28
this Saturday, I’ve been on that other side with him. Yeah, I got him on this side. Yeah, that’s
01:32
right. We’re asking the question. That’s right, that’s right, that’s right. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 01:35
I have radio stations all over the country that call me like we play the brown somebody will call me from Cleveland the week of the game, and I do, I don’t know, 50 weeks. I probably do 30 or 40 of those a year, less than one a week. I don’t do a lot, but I say yes to every guest, because you know what I’ve been doing for 32 years, calling people like Martin and the rev and say, will you come on my show? Will you give me your time? Will you give me your attention? Will you give me your wisdom? Will you give me your honest opinion, you know, can you give me some information? So these people call me and I go on in Cleveland, Cincinnati, whatever, and usually it’s off hours. It’s kind of like away from I have to break from my wife to do it. It happens at dinner hour or whatever. And I come back and my wife’s like, How’d it go? And now we say, I’m a better guest and host, that’s what I always say. So she’s like, it went, Well, I’m like, Oh, I get the rant and rave and ah, yeah, I get to say what I think. But I was told recently that I talk too much. So
Martin Knott Jr. 02:30
with, like, talking is what you look you can’t say that to yourself. Don’t put that out. I’m like, in the universe police these days, don’t put that out in the university, we need you talking. We need to talk. And like, clearly, talking is your job. People don’t think I listen,
Nestor Aparicio 02:42
though that’s the craziest thing. And, like, earphones
02:45
on, I hear, yeah, so tell us,
02:50
like, go ahead.
Martin Knott Jr. 02:51
Like, I want to go back because, like, I don’t know that. Like, I’ve heard this, right? And so, like, what got you into the world that you have landed in, and careful there. No,
Nestor Aparicio 03:03
I’m stretching my back. Yeah, that’s fine. I’m sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, we want to make sure we’re stretching chairs uncomfortable. Got a bad back, okay? Yeah. Otherwise, we playing golf with the Rev.
Martin Knott Jr. 03:14
What got you in? What got you in, the radio and all this stuff. How’d you do? Always
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 03:19
work makes him tick. Well, this
Nestor Aparicio 03:21
is the best part for me to give a plug, right? So I get asked all sorts of questions, because I’ve been doing this for 40 years in media, 32 and a half on radio, 25 almost 26 now with the station. And all of it was born out of me wanting to be a sports writer. All of it was born out of me having I guess, an aptitude and a gift to write, but then really working on that, I read at a very young age. I mean, I read newspapers when I was three, four years old. So in kindergarten, I would go to the first grade classroom and read the paper to them. Most of the kids couldn’t read, so I skipped the grade. I was always shorter, younger, you know, than anybody. I graduated from high school when I was 16, so the 16. So the writing and the English side of what I liked and what I liked to do was watch baseball and football and basketball. I was born in 1968 so I remember my wife would tell you I have a sort of a Mary Lou Henner retention for dates and times and places and some sort of on the spectrum kind of way. I’m convinced I’m getting there at 55 but 1973 7475 I was a baseball I was an Orioles fan. I was a colts fan. My father was mad about Johnny you going to San Diego. And my first Colts game was Joe Namath in 1973 my first Oriole game that I remember, my cousin, who’s in the Hall of Fame, gave me a baseball there’s kind of a picture of that. So last year, a guy named Greg Landry from Blue Rock productions, local guy, married the daughter of a friend of mine, a man who was a crazy uncle to me. Own the Emerald tavern was one of my first sponsors. 30 years ago, Kenny said, I want to get in the documentary business. This make a documentary. Do you know some people? And I’m like, Well, you know, rev would make a good documentary. Martin, you know, like, there’s plenty of people here that could have a 30 minute story. Howard Pearl, I mean, I mean, anybody elected, everybody here has a story, right? I said, Oh, man, I don’t know. Man, I got football, baseball, but I can’t do it right now. And then, in January, when a Ravens got eliminated, I went sort of back out on my sales trail right to people at the pool here that I want to sponsor Baltimore positive it is the way I feed my family. And I had a hard time answering that question, rev, which was like, what, where? What sum up 40 minutes from my marketing representative in three minutes as to what you are and who you Well, I don’t even really know where to begin. So I reached back to this fellow Greg, and I said, maybe it’s time we talk about, like, a five eight minute documentary, little sales piece. You know, corporate my degree at University of Baltimore is corporate communication, so I went to school to make corporate videos, right? And so I said, Maybe we make a little video, and then it just turned into, like, what you said, you, you’ve been in my life. I have all these pictures, archives, things, stories, people, that I’ve collected. How could we tell that story better for everybody here at the pool in a marketing front, but also for my audience, for my family, for my friends, for people who met me a little later in life, and they’re like, I didn’t know you worked at the newspaper. I didn’t know you interviewed David Bowie and Robert plan. I didn’t know you know any of that. I didn’t know you were from Dundalk. In some cases, people don’t know that they I know your wife was sick. I know you walked out on the Orioles. I know you’re a radio guy, yeah, so I guess I’m a little bit all that. And the documentary sort of goes back to the roots of the origin of why I got into this because I love sports. I’m wearing an Oreo Jersey right now. You love it. I got into this because I love baseball. I learned how to count from, you know, my father taught me math through learning batting averages and era and division by nine innings, right like so I just was always a sports guy. So if I had my druthers, my father died 1992 I addressed this in the documentary, and he was really mad at me because I left the Baltimore Sun. I was at the sun from 86 to 92 and I took a buyout. I was 23 years old. My father was sick. He had dementia at the time, but he’s really he died very angry at me because he thought you’re gonna get a gold watch. That’s what my father thought, that I would get a gold watch. And the way that John Stedman did, who was my mentor, and and then there’s, you know, people like John Eisenberg that are out with this Oriole thing he’s doing now, and he always speaks of that era as the golden age of sports, right? So I was, you know, a part of that, and that’s all I aspired to be. To answer your original question, all I really wanted to be was Oscar Madison. All that really wanted to do was be Johnson. I wanted to go to World Series games and go to big baseball games and no baseball players, and write about baseball and football, and it all evolved into all of this, and mainly, honestly, from being chased out by by angelos, it’s opened my pathway to say, what else can I be, right, besides a guy that chases athletes and talks to them about baseball or football, you know? And I need to do more than that, when
Martin Knott Jr. 07:58
you were growing up like, Who was your favorite baseball player? I mean, it was Robinson
Nestor Aparicio 08:04
lescano was my favorite baseball player, and I love George Brett pine tire. I grew into my all time favorite baseball player, if you’re asking me that question, is Tony. Gwynn. Tony and I had a really special relationship. Probably didn’t feature him enough in the documentary, to be honest with me, but he he was honest with me, but he, he was always really good to me, and I spent a lot of time in San Diego. My dad’s my dad died his sister, who was like him. So being with her made me feel like I was with him. She lived in San Diego, so I would go out San Diego a lot in the 90s, and the Padres were being run by Larry Lucchino, who really built the Orioles, right? So all of Larry’s Lieutenant Charles Steinberg, Baker Koppelman, who runs the Orioles state, all these folks work for the San Diego Padres Mel Proctor, the longtime voice of the team, became the voice of the Padres. So I spent I was treated like family at a time when Peter had taken over here in the mid to late 90s, I would go out there in San Diego see the palm trees in the outfield. There’d be nobody there, but I walk in and Tony Gwynn would show me his film room, and we’d sit and talk about baseball
Martin Knott Jr. 09:08
manager. There no for who else padres? No, no.
Nestor Aparicio 09:16
He was going to sign with the twins in the Indians. Good memory. He played his whole career with the Padres. He went to he became the manager of the San Diego State, his alma mater, okay, they named the stadium after him there, and he became the manager of that team. And I did an interview with him right at the end of it was he and Cal Ripken end at the same time, they went into the hall of fame together that last month in oh one, I was nationally syndicated all over the country on Sporting News Radio. And I went out and sat with him, and he talked about what he wanted his legacy to be, and being a teacher and being a coach and all of that. And that’s what he did until he got cancer and died. And so he’s if I were to wear a jersey, I have one Jersey in my closet that’s not Oriole Raven, you know? It. I have some Houston Oiler stuff because I’m a goofy oiler fan, but I have a Tony Gwynn Jersey, and I wear that. There’s never a bad day to wear a Tony Gwynn jersey.
Martin Knott Jr. 10:08
He’s a class act.
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 10:09
I know question about if there were to be one Oreo, yeah, what Jersey would that be?
Nestor Aparicio 10:16
Alan mills. Alan Mills was my all time favorite Oriole, because he’s a good man, but gosh, I mean, I could proudly wear a mike bordick jersey. Mike Messina and I had a special relationship. We lost a friend of mine named Jim Poole, who were number 45 who was a relief pitcher. He was the first guy in 1992 when I had a radio show and I had a press passage going into the Camden Yards when first open. He was on that team, and I was in the locker room. I’m young. I’m the same age as all this. I was younger than a lot of those guys, way younger than Sutcliffe, and some of the guys were on that team. And I befriended guys in the room through baseball. And Jim Poole was a guy who was a dude, right? He loved basket. He went to Georgia Tech. He’s super smart, you know, engineer, super smart guy, but he loved sports. He loved basketball. He Messina and he and Mark Williamson and fro, what they would do March Madness pools. And they were all, you know, we would talk sports. We would sit in the in the locker room after baseball games and watch the 1030 games. And that’s how I learned baseball, because I’d hear them talking about stuff, like, every time a game from Milwaukee would pop up, all the pitchers would Milwaukee. I’m like, What’s that? And Mark Williamson, who was, you know, funny flipping I say, the bullpen mounds out of gear there. The visiting mound is six inches to the right to screw you up. So they knew all the nuances. I mean, how would you know this as a kid, from Dundalk as a fan? But when you spend time around the team, you learn a lot of things, and I learned all that early on. And if being welcomed in that community because I knew baseball, I mean, Johnny Oates was like the greatest example of a guy that didn’t really have, you know, he was gruff, he was he was military, he was the way he was, and for two years he was always really tough on I had long hair. Then too, I had the Pearl Jam. 92 you know, hammer Jacks look. And he was always tough on me. And his last act as oral manager, we were in Cleveland stadium, and the place was falling apart, and the season had just fallen apart. It was 93 almost before the strike, and he came running out of shower with a with a white towel on soaking wet, water running down his head. And I was the last one in the locker room, and he can’t get in here. Get in here. I want to talk to you. I said, Oh, all right, Skip, you know, I came in just he and I, this is two years of me trailing him, like, like a reporter, you know what I mean, asking questions, not really caring whether I, you know, like just a it was, it was the aero journalism 32 years ago. And he pulled me up and he shut the door in his dirty old Cleveland. I was like a scene out of Major League underneath. You had to duck your head to get in, because, I mean, art, art was still there. The Browns were still playing there. That’s how long, right? So it was before they built the Jake. And he said to me, brings me. And he said, I want you to know I’ve been unfair to you, I’ve been tough on you, and you know, moving forward, I respect you. You’re here in Cleveland the last week of September covering a baseball team. He said, I you know, I pegged you wrong, and we’re gonna work together. And this took me two years, wow. And then a year and a half later, he was managing the Rangers, right? He got fired during the strike in 94 he was managing the Rangers, and the all star game was in Texas, in the brand new stadium, right? And it boy, however hot it’s going to be here today, at 15 to that day. I mean, it was just I saw poor Gaylord Perry, almost like melt, in one of those, these awful jerseys they had 30 years ago, and I went, he was the coach for the National, for the American League team, and they were the host. And I went into the coaches office, and I’m in there, and we’re just, hey, it’s good to see. How are you? How’s your boy? Hey, you know, doing all that Johnny stuff, and George Bush walked in. Well, he was the, he was the owner of the team. That wasn’t a president yet, that’s
14:01
right. So, like,
Nestor Aparicio 14:02
he’s like, Oh, let me, let me introduce you to Mr. Bush. And he was like, Governor, yeah, hi. How are you and the team? So, like, it’s amazing. Baseball does that, right? You find yourself in these circumstances. And that was 30 years ago, so I rubbed up against politicians and people and business owners and all of that. I think Baltimore positive has been an extension for me to at the end of my life say I’ve gathered all these people, different people, knots and Hathaways and east and west and north. What do I do with it all? What do I do with these people besides yell about baseball and football, which, okay, if you like that on Monday mornings. That’s cool, but I really want to serve the world better. You know, with what the world’s given me, that’s just, honestly, yes, Ryan, well,
Martin Knott Jr. 14:44
I mean, there’s nothing you know you’re doing a good job of it. I love Baltimore positive. Great. You know people, it’s really what you know we’re trying to do, what you’re trying to do. You may have, in many ways, because I know Damian was, you know, activating people. He’s a big activator, and I know that he was in on that early with you and Don Muller, no,
Nestor Aparicio 15:05
I met him when I wrote Purple Rain two. He had me on his show up at the top of the like Trade Center, kind of where, yeah and harbor place, yeah, and, you know, there’s a guy there, one of your friends in the west side of town. I was kid molar about East and West. I said, we don’t go west to like Howard Street when you’re from East Baltimore, because that’s where the arena was. That’s what a bus let me off. Right? By the way, you don’t mind if I put some suntan lotion on. No, please. Came
15:35
out here. The
Nestor Aparicio 15:36
best thing ever is this my I’ve done radio for 32 years. I don’t think I’ve ever done it barefoot, yeah, at a pool, yeah, putting on lotion. Wow. So this is like,
15:46
thank you. We’re teaching you 27
Nestor Aparicio 15:49
Super Bowls. So you’re like, Super Bowl. Wow, that’s palm Cha. Now, I did it in a convention hall with three layers of clothing and long johns on because it’s 28 degrees and those, they’re like, hanging meat in there. So this whole, like, doing radio, I’ll do this all day. Let’s do this again. Yeah, well,
Martin Knott Jr. 16:06
it’s just, you know, we’re having a ton of fun with it. You know, we’ve got great guests coming today, but none great. I mean, look, I mean, we want to hear some more. I want to hear about what you think about this new Orioles team that has emerged over the last two years got some great characters on it. I know you’re following that, you know, because every day my life, huge fan. Let’s talk some about the o’s and these young kids that look like they’re having a ton of fun. I mean, have you seen anything like a while? I
Nestor Aparicio 16:38
said to my wife early in the season. So I went down to Arlington for the game they lost and got eliminated last year. My wife and I were there for, you know, clinch and want to be clinches the couple of nights back in September. So, you know, there was, there was certainly some Mojo, much like the ravens, when you lose a championship game, there’s Mojo until you don’t win, right? We’ve won. We know what it’s like. We’ve had parades in Baltimore, right? So we know it doesn’t happen right away, right? Revs, a little older me, 79 didn’t happen, but then 83 happened. So you kind of hang in with that. I think more than 96 or 97 and we had Cal and Brady Messina and like, you know, guys, people we could latch on to. This is a in April. We’re listening to a game a weekend. I said to my wife, I’m like, this is the best team this early, like five days in, I’m looking at the lineup, and I’m looking at the way they can hit the ball, and I’m looking at the tops. I said, they’ve never in my life had an error like this. So you’re a little younger than me, Martin, I think I’m 5571 so 68 hours. Well, okay, so, couple years so, so you wouldn’t remember this, but redwood, 7374 75 when my first era of Oriole baseball, they still had Palmer Brooks was really old, but they had Coggins, Bunbury, gritch, Dower, all those guys were coming. And then the deal was made with the Yankees for McGregor, for Tippie all the and and then Lee may sign. And then Eddie came right, like Eddie kind of changed everything for the next five years. And then Cal came after that changed things for the next 20 years. But that period in the early 70s where there was Don Baylor, Bobby Grier, I mean, we’re talking guys that were for all star players that they maybe they did in California, did it somewhere else, but that was a glory era for that. And that would be Oriole way, and that would be Cal senior was a part of their scouting. Then Billy Hunter, you know, cash in, and Dalton and those guys from back in the day. But this, Mike Elias is a genius about this, right? And I said I had a little joke just about sigma Adele, because he used to deal cars out here. He was a blackjack dealer in Vegas and running the numbers of the math of baseball and how much baseball has changed. I mean, if they ever let me back in and get my press pass back, I won’t really recognize the game in the way that I did before, because coaches jobs have changed so much with analytics and in knowing coaches and interviewing them in the last 10 years, they have expressed to me like it’s not anything like it used to be, right the way you train, the way you play. Tony was on the front end of it, right with videotape and examining video, examining it himself, instead of having a coach like Charlie Laos say, drop your elbow, raise your elbow. You’re, you know, you’re putting your foot in the bucket. Back up. Stay back. Stay back. Stay level. Are you level? I feel like I’m level now. I feel like I’m level now we measure right, you know, you’re 50.0082 off a level. We got to fix that, and then they’re working on that. And the same thing would be true for pitchers. Now, I’m concerned about the Tommy John thing and the UCL thing. I mean, this is obviously disconcerting that this many people are having their arms reconstructed, but it’s not a natural motion, and your arms not meant to have that kind of torque for that period of time. But the arms and the bats and the way the games played, the measurements and launch angle and spin rate and all of these part. Of it are they become more appealing to me than 15 years ago, when people are bringing different stats war and different kind of nerdier stats than wins and losses in era. But if you’re going to speak the game in the modern parlance, Luke Jones always beats me up about this. It’s like, Dude, you need to stay up with what’s going on, because this is where Mike Elias it’s, it’s beyond stats. It’s more like a scientific examination, right of their game and and how to strengthen that part of it. And they’re, they’ve been ahead of the other sports. Football’s catching up. I think Eric da Costa would tell you, it’s, it’s an art, not a science, but there’s much more data that’s available baseball the way they’ve taken pitchers who had a problem and fixed them, the way they’ve taken Ryan O’Hearn, who was a high ceiling, could have been and all, and went and flopped, and then they grab him and tweak him, and he credits them. They’re doing baseball stuff, and they have the kind of players because they were so bad when you amass one and then you make them count, you get them to the field, but gunner Henderson wasn’t a one one, right? You know? So they’re developing players, they’re teaching players, they’re building a bigger, better organization all the way around. And I don’t think there’s anything not to be said. I told my wife is the best team I’ve ever seen. She’s like, I’m like, she’s like, do you mean that? And I said, I don’t Radio. I’m here in a car. We just came out of yoga. We were soaking wet. Now, put the game on. They were winning, like five to nothing. Seconding. I said, My God, these guys are good. And I don’t know if they’re gonna win a World Series. That takes a lot, you know, but, but they are compelling and they are relevant,
Martin Knott Jr. 21:39
yeah? And they got, I mean, the name, I
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 21:42
got a curve ball for them. What do you got? I got a curve ball for you, Nestor, and you mentioned a couple of times that I’m your senior, so I want you all to recognize that and respect that. But every day, there was a time inside of Baltimore when we had an amazing cadre of high school ball player, baseball player, baseball player. Southern Calvert Hall. You start to name them, Dundalk,
Nestor Aparicio 22:06
Mikey, big league or exactly, is it Denny Nagle? What Bernie Walter did down in Anne Arundel County? Oh,
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 22:12
my goodness. Mike so, so let’s, let’s think about, let’s think about, what should we be doing inside of Baltimore to complement this amazing work that’s happening with our Orioles as relates to our public schools, well and colleges. I
Nestor Aparicio 22:26
would say this, and this is sort of baseline Baltimore is really different for Mr. Rubenstein to have to rebuild this Oriole thing. And I’ll give you the example. Why. Yesterday, here at the pool in Vegas, about two o’clock in the afternoon, heated a day, there was a television over behind my right shoulder, and there were 50 guys gathered around watching lacrosse. Right, right? So I, you know, I live in a Towson area, and on any given night, my wife and I will go out to plan a fitness we’ll go work out. We’ll go do whatever we do, go out and eat, and we’re driving along, let’s say 83 695, anywhere in the corridor, and you will see lights on beginning in January, February, and you look over off 83 over off of 695, at Providence Road, wherever you are, they’re playing lacrosse, and the parents are playing lacrosse. And it’s not just boys playing lacrosse, it’s boys and girls playing lacrosse. And that’s something that’s not just taking them away from watching an Oriole game, but it’s taking them away from Do you want a lacrosse stick or you want a baseball bat? Then there’s a whole different challenge when kids have a basketball and they want to have the basketball 13 months a year, that they don’t want to take a break and say, I’ll do something else. In the same way that the kids in my neighborhood, the ethnic kids from my neighborhood that played soccer. I’m talking to the Italian kids, the Greek kids. They didn’t want to play baseball because their father came from the old country, and their father didn’t know from baseball. I mean, you got UFC now, and the MMA, and you’ve got just so many things people can do with their kids in regard to a niche, whether it’s hockey, golf, I’ve talked a lot about classic golf. I know you love Rev. I mean, I had the folks on from I had Richard Shepherd on River Forest Park, right? Five, right? I had him on last week talking PGA. And, you know, he’s got kids out there every day. Here’s young African American man who’s given it to him by people, by his father, but he wants to do three generations. He’s got his little boy out now with the putter and teaching him the game. But that’s once, come on, man, once you get involved in golfing play baseball, right? Once you start get that lacrosse stick, and everybody in your class plays lacrosse. I worry about the Orioles, you know? I worry that it’s white and it’s old and it’s slow, and more than anything, the Orioles were for everybody in Baltimore when I was a kid, and lacrosse was more of a niche suburban sport, honestly, but the Orioles now, with what they’re doing with media and what’s going to happen, and same thing with the NFL man. The NFL schedule came out the other day. It’s paramount this. And first thing I’m thinking, Am I going to be able to. Watch the game that night, right? And I haven’t boxed out Orioles games here. We all have last year too, because you’re like, I’m not Amazon and I’m not Apple in I’m not, I’m not giving them 699 on my credit card to watch the Orioles play the Royals today. And I don’t, I don’t know what’s going to become. My wife works in that industry, Wi Fi, she’s a Verizon attack and engineer, and I’m like, what you know? What’s going to happen to cable television with the unbundling of all this and baseball itself, when it restricts itself, when it’s not just on, and a kid can’t say, teach me about this, or I want to learn about this, if it disappears from television, from media, now you’re only getting sick offense. Now you’re only getting people willing to pay 568, $100 a year. A year to have the subscription to that, and you’re not giving access to people, and I think
Martin Knott Jr. 25:48
even the radios of pain in the rear end. I mean, even if you download the 98 rock app, I mean, it’s still, see you’re complaining, I don’t know, yeah. I mean, like, you know I want to be I literally, I’m gonna buy a like, regular am radio or FM radio for my kitchen so that I can listen to the Orioles.
Nestor Aparicio 26:07
Okay, so here’s an example, fellas. All right, we’re in Vegas, full disclosure, right? We’re here at the pool. Everybody here is from Maryland, right? Maybe there’s a couple of nationals fans. I don’t smell them, but it looks like Orioles fans to me here, right? For sure. Game was on burns, 12 strikeouts on Sunday, right? Joe Enoch told me he was monitoring the game, and I didn’t really know how he was doing it. Everybody here has cabanas, TVs. People here have some means. They have iPads. They have they can televisions were on at the bar. Oreo game went on. Well, we’re in Vegas. What are we on the Mars, we have the moon. You can’t get the Orio game here. Is that probably about Howard, this is probably about, how do I access it easily,
Martin Knott Jr. 26:48
right? How outside of my market? Yeah, I
Nestor Aparicio 26:50
got the phone here, and I pay y’all the $6 a month, or 200 whatever you want to charge me. Now, give me the game so I can watch it in the cabana. Yeah? And we’re all in Vegas. We’re like, oh, like messing with that. You know, it’s
27:03
not as easy, that’s for sure. And that’s what, that’s what I wanted to get at. I
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 27:06
think, I think one, if there’s anything we could say to our new owner, Orioles ownership, is that they’ve got to expand the game so that the people in the communities, in the neighborhoods, feel baseball again. I think we felt it back in the day. They’re
Nestor Aparicio 27:19
not gonna hear that message, my man, and I don’t have a press pass to get that message to people, but you know, I would say to you for them, and this is what I told Mr. Rubenstein’s representative when I met with him in a rather terse debate that we had about my media status, I said to him, the first thing I said to him, before I began anything was, listen, it’s been a lot of trauma here. You know what? I mean? That’s literally how I began it. I said there’s been a lot of trauma here. I watched Mike Flanagan die. I’ve had my press pass gone for 20 years. I could go through the litany of Peter Angelo’s sins and his son and Wes Moore and the lease and Nash. I go through all of that. Just understand you’re coming into a situation here where you come to the stadium, everybody’s rah, rah, rah, shish, boom. Bah, that’s great. There’s 18,000 people here. They love you. They love the team. When they lost 100 they love would love the team no matter what. They love the team. I love the team. But I need more than what I’ve got in the last 30 years. You know, I love because it says Baltimore in it. But in order for it to be the people’s team, as you would say, Rhett, it’s got to be inclusive, not exclusive, and it’s got to be welcoming, and they need to, in a lot of ways, address the trauma of the past without being disrespectful to Peter, but to say there are former players, there are businesses, there are people, there are people outside The mass and sphere that this is your golden opportunity with this great team, to recruit these people back. Recruit back to people who are mad, angry, poor, cheap, away, driven away, whatever it is. Recruit those people because I want to go back I have my credit card out. Make me feel like I’m a part of it. Make everyone, well, feel a part of it.
Martin Knott Jr. 29:03
I will say this. I sort of feel like, you know, like any time there’s a change in ownership, you know, the new owners tiptoe into that world because, you know, there’s people that are established there. And then, you know, one thing I sort of feel out of our new owner is that, like, he really wants Baltimore to be celebrating the team. He really believes that as the Orioles go, the you know, sort of people of Baltimore go, and that it really influences our attitudes all the way around. You know, good winning baseball team is a lot better for the city than one that isn’t winning. And, you know, get by the way,
Nestor Aparicio 29:40
everything you just said in that last point, if I were to transcribe that, that was my message with the Peter at free the birds, literally what I said, I said, this team is too important to be having business owners come to me and tell me they’ve been mistreated. I know I’ve been mistreated because I know what I know I’ve been around it. And that was 20 years ago. Like my message. Was I moved to the city on the 23rd floor harbor court, and I looked down and I would say that I see Tumbleweed like after 10 years earlier, being there every night and seeing 3.6 million people and seeing the Ravens come in and have that enter, the energy went all to the Ravens at that they won a Super Bowl, and Raven had all that going on right that period of time, my message was, this is really important. The Orioles are really, really important. So if nothing else got lost in my free the birds and personal this and personal that really, and this is what I said to Mr. Rubenstein’s guy, we want the same things. We really want the same things. I want a full, vibrant city, people of different color, people of different economic backgrounds, loving the baseball team, loving gunner Henderson, you know, and then I want to see that commitment to all of that be a catalyst to rebuilding the city in the way. When Mayor Schaefer, who I think we’re all fond of, said, we’re going to have an aquarium, we’re going to have a science center, we’re going to have a harbor, we’re going to have a baseball team. We’re not going to have the Redskins. We’re going to get our own team, we’re going to recruit our own team, and we’re going to build them a stadium. I mean, imagine the pride in all of that for him, right? See, and for all of us who participated in it, and have all of those memories at the stadium at the harbor in Baltimore. And we want that again. And if this is the catalyst, count me in, you know, count me in. I’m all, I
Martin Knott Jr. 31:25
just think it’s a matter of time, you know, like, because when nothing happens overnight,
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 31:32
what we’ve seen here in Las Vegas has been a strategic plan with this university of UNLV, in their sports department to say, how do we reposition Las Vegas as the sports capital of the world? And you’re seeing seeing it, seeing it move. You seeing it evolve. You see them now sending out overtures to next NBA team
Nestor Aparicio 31:56
that’s in trouble. Exactly,
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 31:58
it’s coming here. Yeah, it’s coming here. Yeah. And they are positioning so that literally, every four years The Super Bowl is here. They’re saying that your analytics in terms of last year’s hosting a Super Bowl, far surplus is anywhere else in the country. Now it can happen in Baltimore as well.
Nestor Aparicio 32:15
I’m trying to get an NFL draft of Baltimore. We’re trying to get this ownership store last weekend all star game, right? But I don’t know the all star game will be what it was in 93 I don’t think the sport is at that point. Certainly, the NFL drafts a whole different animal, right? I’ve had friends that came back from Detroit. Quarter million people there every single night. It was
Martin Knott Jr. 32:31
really, I mean, that’s now a, you know, yeah, that’s not an event in the city. It is, you know, like an overwhelming event. It’s
Nestor Aparicio 32:37
one you can get to if you’re Baltimore, you know. I mean, we can’t really get the Super Bowl. It’s gettable in that. Yeah, I
Martin Knott Jr. 32:43
think so. I totally agree with what about
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 32:44
the expansion plans in terms of the economic development around or your statement radium stadium? How do you see that?
Nestor Aparicio 32:50
I’ve done a lot of research on that. I had Tom Kelso on many article. The tunnel underneath of it precludes being doing things, okay? I think you see what Philadelphia has done with the base. I mean, let’s call it a bar. It’s a bar. It’s an entertainment. It’s a bar, right? And what $600 million is gonna buy the Ravens? And I went through that one of the Raven representatives here yesterday, where they they’re building a club level, right? I don’t know what the oils are gonna do with their money. I see the gambling in sports in general as we sit here in Las Vegas and you talk about, I see where, that’s their that’s their next look. I’ve been doing radio 32 years. The beginning was, need to have a stadium now. Need to have a stadium with sky boxes. Now. Need to have a stadium with sky boxes and parking. Well, we’re gonna let them tailgate All right, so we need to have a stadium, skyboxes, parking, and a PSL, and so it just at every point. And then it was, got to have a TV deal. TV media, media revenue. Revenue got to be on cable. We’re going to get $3 a sub. We’re going to get two, $30 million we’re going to create mass in and that’s going to that’s how we’re going to keep players. That’s how we’re going to pay Adley rutschman, 50 million, and gunner Henderson, 60 million, and Lamar Jackson. That’s how that’s going to happen. All right? How’s it going to happen now? And I’m telling you, baseball doesn’t know, I promise you. I mean, Rubenstein’s going to say 1.7 billion, and it’s all they don’t know. I mean, I literally right at the pool here yesterday, talking about taking all the baseball television rights and putting it into one tank, instead of having masses and yeses, having it all under one MLB, they feel like they could sell it better that way and package it better and make it so we could get the oils game at the pool in Vegas, if we want, right on an airplane over Bemidji, if we’re so
Martin Knott Jr. 34:35
but they got us. They, you know, like, look, every one of those, every sport, all they’re all trying to do is expand, sure and market themselves into people’s pockets. You know, if you’re watching, you’re paying,
Nestor Aparicio 34:46
but baseball’s so, so hyper local. Yeah, that to your point to rebuild the harbor. And look, I don’t I’ve invited everybody involved with the harbor place thing on the my show, they run from me, and when you run for me, it tells me all. All you need to know when you’re not willing to sit. Didn’t take me long to come over and face you if you had tough questions, you know, like, Come on, man. I’m accountable, and I’m you know, I stand up. Yeah, when people don’t come on and don’t return, that tells me, like, you don’t want any part of whatever I might ask and I might but to me, the harbor in baseball, if baseball is going to be this catalyst, everything I’ve talked about, inclusiveness, pricing, not everybody’s got $14 for a beer, and how often are they going to have it, and how much are the box seats, and how much? What’s the the new model of the club that you’re going to join that’s going to be the platinum, gold, silver, that’s going to have a television package so many games in it, 10% off your your consent, like that thing that makes you want to go down there and be a part of it and leave money behind. And it’s the money behind part for me that I don’t know where they’re going to generate. This has been a problem for 30 years, right? You guys have always had problems generating money against the Yankees or the Red Sox because of the size of their brand, and this is all the more reason that whatever they do with the $600 million it better not be what the ravens are doing, which is build a bigger, better club to have broad perimeter where the hot dogs are better and the beers colder and $5 more. I had a hard time explaining to somebody here who worked for the ravens, the tailgating was illegal here, when the team came, it was illegal. The churches, it was illegal. David Modell had to make it legal, and now they’re trying to all undo the tailgating, because everybody drinks beer for free in the parking lot, spending money on concessions inside. I mean, Arthur Blank decided to make his concessions two bucks because he wasn’t making any money on him anyway. He’s like, why are we killing people on a pretzel? We’re not making any money. Let me if they want to
Martin Knott Jr. 36:40
eat when they’re here. Well, it’s just and look, the other thing is, is that at some point, you know, at some point, it gets to, you know, like $16 for a beer. You know, that’s what it costs
Nestor Aparicio 36:51
to get at because that’s what they’re paying at Yankee Stadium to have Aaron judge. And I see that I went to a concert, your Mr. Concert guy. I went to Syracuse to see Springsteen three weeks ago. It’s not, I mean, it’s a big dome. It doesn’t sound great, yeah, it’s not a great experience in that way. I had never been there, so I was a bucket list. I want to check it off and go. So went up there, and I bought my first beer, and it was like $16 but it was one of those big, tall boys, you know. And I drank it and I peed and I missed the song, and I came back to my seat, and the show’s about half over, and, you know, I’m a Springsteen guy, and I was thirsty. Rev, I mean, that was thirsty. And I’m thinking, do I do it’s 10 o’clock, Yeah, nah. Why am I giving him $20 for a beer? So I begged off. If the beer was nine bucks, I probably would have bought three of them, right? Like, I don’t lose track, yeah? But when it’s a decision, when I go to Merriweather, and I look at the price, and I’m like, That’s not I’m thirsty for a beer, that’s like, a decision, you know, that I have to make. And I think for baseball, they better really be careful. Right back to what you’re talking about, of making people feel included when you go anywhere and you feel gouged in any walk of life. I don’t know anywhere in the world that they would put $15 on a beer and you’d look at it and say, Give me two. I mean, like from Dundalk, that’ll never be normal to me in Vegas or New York or anywhere. But certainly, we have a different set of rules at ball games, right? Or concerts, or at the movie we went to the movie theater expecting to pay $15 for $4 worth of popcorn, right? Like we it was part that was built in sports is built that in I just don’t know where the ceiling is, because I don’t know where the ceiling for the player salaries, the money’s gonna have to come from somewhere.
Martin Knott Jr. 38:35
But don’t they have to fix that in baseball? Aren’t they the last team that has sort of like or the last sport that hasn’t leveled the playing field. I mean, how do we ever compete with the Yankees? We can’t that. You know, they get a massive television contract. You know, the tons of revenue, the huge market, 10 million people. There’s more million more people in Manhattan than there are in Maryland, yeah, and so, and, you know, not everybody in Maryland watches the Orioles, and so I think it’s like the Major League Baseball has to fix that.
Nestor Aparicio 39:03
College Sports doesn’t have a fair fight anymore, right? Yeah,
Martin Knott Jr. 39:08
they’re in trouble too. You know, as soon as they opened up their pocketbook, now it’s open, yeah, and I’m not saying that these
Nestor Aparicio 39:15
kids see a lopsided event, fight, game, match, whatever it is that’s not fun for anybody. Steve Bisciotti, back when he used to speak to me annually, we talked about that part of, you know, I was very inquisitive early on with him, you know, like, why’d you do this? Why, you know, why did you need to buy any so I couldn’t buy Maryland, right? But then I asked him about baseball, and he had a chance to buy to Florida Marlins. He had a chance to buy the Minnesota Vikings. He had a chance to buy other sports franchises and with baseball, he said, it’s not, it’s it’s not a fair fight. No, yeah, you can’t win. He said, You know, I’d love to own the Orioles, right? But the Orioles aren’t in a fair situation. No where they have to compete with the Yankees Red Sox. And I remember when Peter, you know, took the money from Masson and oh 506, I was a proponent of that. That time of considering moving to the National League and saying, Let the Nationals take on the Yankees and the Red Sox. Now, of course, that’s absurd, because they were buying all the tickets. And I mean, the Yankees and the Red Sox states were funding the Orioles, quite frankly, with 40,000 people, back when gates really funded baseball more. And, you know, I keep going back to revs. Original thing like, how are we going to grow. What’s it going to mean to the community? And it needs to be accessible and affordable, either through media, on TV or or to be able to get in and experience it more than when you’re on a community night at the ballpark, you know, you need to want to go back the way. I wanted to go back. I wanted to go every night of my life when I was a kid. You know, that’s why I built my life around you, ask it the original, like, what? What started as I built my every night I wasn’t at the ballpark. I was disappointed. I wasn’t, yeah,
Martin Knott Jr. 40:48
well, it’s, you know, my kids are down there all the time. They love going to the ballpark. You can get in there for really, you know, on these, you know, high school, college nights, you know, you can get in there for nothing. You know, 12 bucks, 15 bucks. I
Nestor Aparicio 41:01
love that. Your children.
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They love it. Baseball.
Nestor Aparicio 41:03
Back in the 90s, when I started really doing this in Camden Yards, came anyone in their organization was sort of trained to say, we’re still cheaper than the movies, yeah, because it was five bucks to get in, then it was 750 to maybe whatever there was always which we’re cheaper than a movie night. Come on down here, you know, and the blast always did that too, yeah, blast. When the Colts left town, they were always like, we’re cheaper than a movie night Come Come down. Hockey. Could never say that the NBA could, you know, they were football. Could never, you know, football was always a little more pricey. Even when I was a kid. My, you know, a colts ticket was four times what my dad paid for an Orio game, right? You know, my dad was like, had all he could do to spend 250 to go to an Oriole game. Colt sticks were eight bucks, nine bucks, 10 bucks. You know, they were like, real money, yeah, you know, 1975 76 Yeah.
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 41:45
You know the it’s, I remember, since we are talking about the Oreos, I remember the work that I did when they initiated Oreos reach and I was digging into the community RBI program, exactly, bringing kids out there. I know one time I had 100 young kids from West Baltimore coming out to the game, we have to do those things that tap into that next generation and make them understand and realize that the game is for them. And I think that they know the game that the 100 kids you took, oh, man, I did it repeatedly, repeatedly, when you get the kids out
Nestor Aparicio 42:18
there, did they understand this? You know, like, baseball’s complicated. I
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 42:22
tell you what they understood. Okay, they understood the wave, you know what I mean. They understood that we were part of something enthusiastic, exactly. And they understood a hot dog, a popcorn and a soda and Baltimore value me out to the ballpark. They understood that. But I think the challenge that I see is that our systems have to be more connected in Baltimore to be supportive of our teams, school systems, recreation systems, community systems. They got to see it as important. See, I came up in the heyday. In the heyday, you talking about the 60s, man, I remember, I remember we would I went to city, so of course, you were out there. Why don’t I want to sell popcorn? I had a popcorn stand because I wanted to get to go to the game. So I’m there when Louis TR throws the pitch to Frank Robinson and he knocks it out of the ball.
Nestor Aparicio 43:18
Mother’s Day, 68 Yes. My dad was a yes, yes. This is what binds us right, east side, west side. Like we have the same memory, but you gotta have
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 43:27
those memories built into this next generation. Yeah, I remember this.
Martin Knott Jr. 43:31
I remember being at the World Series in 1983 Sure. And, you know, going down there and seeing the games. I was 12 years old. And, you know, I had been there. I think in 79 my uncle took me as well. We didn’t win that one. That was pirates, right? Yeah, I’ll never forget co sell. Was like, yeah,
43:51
right, exactly. Well, we’re dornell Star jaw. And then had the CO sell
Martin Knott Jr. 43:56
go to hell. Nine year old, I thought, this is the coolest place in the world. But
Nestor Aparicio 44:01
that hated co sell. I wanted to be Howard Cosell.
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 44:06
Ravens got Ravens have the same the same problem we identify, because the cost of going to a Ravens game is just astronomical. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 44:15
this speaks to them getting rid of Westminster. I think there was a real disconnect with that, that the Wembley knee. We could go through those Ray Wright, we can go through the seminal moments for people to disengage from the Ravens. But the Westminster thing was special. Yeah, and look, I went on the radio for long stretches and pimp that. That was okay, because Steve and John sort of baked that up and and having been out there and seen the resources they didn’t have, in regard to the hotel, in regard to training, in regard to hydration, in regard to showering, in regard to space of big men, in regard to medical, all of that, I really respected the fact that moving it to the complex would be way better for football, way better for football. So I hear that, and I know they bring fans, but it’s not the same in that way and the game. Games they play downtown. Rev, you talk about that practice they throw down there where they sign autographs and do that for free. You know, they could do three of those, and it would be cool, and it still wouldn’t be enough. The preseason football games, as much as they were giveaways for everybody here at the pool that had, I would always that was always an entryway, like I took my mother was 90 years old. She’d never been to a Ravens game, and I took her to a preseason Jets game where there weren’t as many people. The crowd wasn’t as engaged in the game. But she, I mean, at the end of her life, she loved it, but it reminded me at a preseason game that was a place to take a kid, that was a place to give tickets to somebody they couldn’t afford or had never been to a game, and even then that 20,000 tickets get unused, people don’t use them, right? So the access to all of that, and listen, I think the Ravens have done so much more over 30 years than the Orioles in regard to and that’s obvious, right? I mean, and I can to skip that would be very unfair to 30 years worth of work for the Ravens in their community development. But the orals could learn from that. And, you know, and I hope that we’re at a point where both of these teams are glorious, we can agree that me rev 71 was right. 7071 that’s right. That was, for, you know, close to this, exactly. I mean, the Colts were good, 7576 in the orders were okay. But this is, this is the, this is the glory era, grateful deadline about this being the greatest time ever, that this is the time to be alive in Baltimore. The first days are the hardest days. Don’t you worry anymore. This
Martin Knott Jr. 46:27
is the season of what now, right? What’s next, what now. And you know, I think, look, I think the Orioles and the Ravens are bringing a lot of excitement. They’ve got really exciting teams. They’ve got exciting players will
46:41
come with me, yeah, won’t you come with me? Yeah, where
Martin Knott Jr. 46:45
does the time go? Right? And so, you know, we’re doing a little Grateful Dead there, John’s band. Oh, man. But look, we need people talking about Baltimore sports. You’re talking about Baltimore sports all the time. We need people talking about positive things that are happening in Baltimore. You’re doing that. You’re trying to fill in a service very similar to us. It’s about time we all got together and talked about this great city and these great teams
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 47:11
have to be our unifier. Yeah, that’s right. It has to be our level set.
Nestor Aparicio 47:16
We all want the same things out loud. I mean, I mean, and I hope that anybody that’s ever listened feels and hears that. You know, my message to your audience is, you haven’t listened lately, come back. Listen again. But if you haven’t, Baltimore positive is a repository for everything I’ve ever done, like every art Donovan conversation, every Johnny Oates convert, every conversation I’ve had with living, deceased, legendary rock stars, politicians, you know, all the it’s all there. And anybody that would question that I don’t want good things for Baltimore, they’re just not. They’re not here in the mess
Martin Knott Jr. 47:52
running for mayor at one point, almost lost your mind. Yes, he would have
Nestor Aparicio 47:57
lost the election.
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 47:58
I got to get his comment on my favorite Oreo catcher, gustri andos, that
Nestor Aparicio 48:07
was one of my dad’s favorite players, right? So I didn’t see Gus. I was
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born in 68 rev man, you’re young in Yeah.
Nestor Aparicio 48:15
So my dad loved gustanos, and he loved gentlemen. Jim Genteel. I had Jim Gentile on the show. My dad loved him. My dad’s favorite cult was ordeal Bracey, okay, okay. And I knew Ordell as well. And here’s
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 48:26
the beauty, when you talk those names, of those personalities, they had community gravitas. Yeah, they were known in the communities. People knew them. They felt them. They they participated. They went around, they I just saw on the Sun papers. They made mention of Dick Hall, and Dick came out
Nestor Aparicio 48:42
and did the show with me back in the 90s at the bar. You remind me of as I’m looking at you across the pool, you know? Like, yeah, I’ll tell you off here. But like, you know, there’s a point for me in doing this all these years where somebody like you talks about thing. What did Frank Robinson, mean to
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 49:00
you, oh, man, Frank Robinson, very important. Has to interact with Frank Robinson, I think, as to go up across keys and I have, I’ve had lunch with him, Frank Robinson, I think, was the spark that really ignited Baltimore baseball in a national way. I think his, I think his energy coming here, and the combination you got to almost see Brooks and Franks as a composited personality of Baltimore. This, this, this, this hard working, I’m always going to be the dependable player, and then this star personality and to have the blend of racial equity functioning at the same time, they were special in the history of Baltimore. Well, that’s why I
Nestor Aparicio 49:39
want to talk to you about that. Because Louis came at the same time Frank time Frank came, and they were both Outcast where they were. I mean, obviously Frank got called every n bomb, no question. Awful stuff happened to him in Cincinnati, right? And in the south and playing in their southern ball, awful stuff, right? Louie came at it different, because he was smaller than everybody else. He didn’t speak the language well, right? He was. Chicago, Louie sold tickets. Louie, so people came to see Louis play because he was exciting running the bait. He played the game in a swashbuckling way that no one had seen before, but the owner was a cheapskate in Chicago. Now, look, this wasn’t black or white or Latin, right? Brooks Robinson had a hard time getting a fair contract, right? Like everybody had a hard time because of the reserve clause, right? I mean, it was, it was indentured servitude to one franchise. You couldn’t work anywhere else. That’s kind of a hard concept for people to come around to, that you had to make yourself a content. You had to be uppity to get traded. Louis was that guy in Chicago who couldn’t get along with the owner because he didn’t feel like he was getting paid fair and wasn’t getting his respect. He was a nine time all star when he got when he got here, he led the league in stolen bases seven years in a row. He was selling tickets in South Chicago, specifically to Latin people, to a lot of Latin people in Chicago. At that time, they were buying tickets. There were no Latin people in Baltimore. I can attest to that, because I lived here in the 70s and 80s. I was the only one that looked like me. Now I go to Highland town, everybody looks like literally, right? But, Louie came, and on the day that Frank died, right? Are we okay on time? About two minutes Okay, on the day to Frank died, I went looking for a picture of Frank and Louie, and I couldn’t find one. Wow. I was like, I googled and but I found stories about Louie, and when he came to Baltimore, he talked about how happy it made him to be in Baltimore where he was appreciated and that he could bring his family, he could bring his family, yeah, I’m the family that’s left behind. 50 years later, I found this on the day that Louis still alive, on the day that Frank died. I went looking for that story, and people came to me about Frank coming to Baltimore, and he was elated, because ownership took care of him, treated didn’t treat him like an outsider. They treated him like an asset in the community. And they gave Frank a good life here, and they gave Louie a good life here too. And you know, it was boot Powell and Brooks Robinson and Jim Palmer, right? So, so you know, when you bring an African American into that 1964 and and you bring a Venezuelan doesn’t speak the language, but kind of exciting, yeah, they can really play. It was magical. Magic won the World Series in 60s. I
Reverend Alvin Hathaway 52:12
feel it. He gave us some Oreos magic. I feel it. I feel it too. Something magic happened.
Martin Knott Jr. 52:17
That’s right, well, we had a magical conversation here. I think,
Nestor Aparicio 52:21
I’m keeping my thoughts. We’re very
Martin Knott Jr. 52:24
excited. We got Howard County Executive,
52:27
Calvin Ball ready to roll.
Martin Knott Jr. 52:28
We’re here poolside, speaking to the Ravens. The Ravens and Advanced Business Systems, they are doing a little you know, the ravens are present here. How are you a cornhole?
52:44
You got corn Yeah, I
Martin Knott Jr. 52:45
don’t have a cornhole game, but others do.
Nestor Aparicio 52:47
I was a horseshoe guy back in the day.
52:48
Oh yeah.
Martin Knott Jr. 52:49
Look like there’s some good people out there. All right, here this weekend
Nestor Aparicio 52:51
to Chris McAllister was here yesterday at Dallas. Thomas Raven champions here, too
52:57
great to have you.
52:58
Oh, man, great.
Nestor Aparicio 52:59
I am here. I’m thrilled to be here. I’m honored to be on your show, and thanks for all you guys have done to help me. I mean that from keeping my my air clean and comfortable and keeping my head clean, keep inspiring me online,
53:11
let’s keep let’s keep going. I hope so. Thanks, guys. You.
