Our Baltimore Positive web developer Jessica Valis takes a break from building this very busy little website to join Nestor at Costas Inn on the Maryland Crab Cake Tour for a discussion on local business and making it work on the web with her new Creative Circle Collective.

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SPEAKERS

Nestor J. Aparicio, Jessica Valis

Nestor J. Aparicio  00:00

Welcome home we are W n s t test Baltimore. Baltimore positive it’s it’s on top of Jessica the logo the the logo that she has created with the 25th anniversary birthday cake. It’s all brought to you by the Maryland lottery somewhere around here. I’m gonna reach into my bag of tricks because I was unprepared to begin the programming today. I still have a few PAC man’s left. So these are here. Get them while they’re hot. We’re going to be at Pappas in Parkville. On Tuesday we are at Costas in Dundalk. This place was established in 1971. I came three years earlier about two miles down the road. We have great guests today Chris Emery is going to be here from Edgemere in one or 2.7 Luke Jones is going to be here. We’re going to watch the Orioles at the bar but today is really a day about promoting a few things Maryland lottery I have the new gold rush sevens doublers and we had a $20 winner led by the way Jessica is gonna get one of these as well.

00:50

I love scratcher

Nestor J. Aparicio  00:51

well you’re gonna get a scratcher some people scan their scanner with the scratches and all that stuff. We’ll have these to give away all afternoon Costas and then probably for the summer we’re gonna be doing that our friends at Liberty pure getting us out on the road with clear water. It’s going to bring my clear water in here but the only clear water I have is my Costas in clear water as well. And Jiffy Lube multi care. I’ve been to the Dundalk Jiffy Lube oval mirror Boulevard many times my wife got the art car Jiffy Lube at the two Mooneyham location across curio and foreign daughter Jessica valus is of Harford designs. She got this other collective that we’re going to learn about today. But more than that, she is the Tada person that has made our website look good with my input. Should I Is it fair enough to say I’m input so most people to work with me learn to hate me? And because I’m a perfectionist, and I’m a mess. And I’m just at the point with you a couple of years into this. Greg came on after the documentary and said yes, it’s good but man Are you a lot to work with man Are you a lot to handle? So first things first, you do a lot of websites for a lot of people a lot of design. Deep at night, am I the guy you say to your husband, my God, I can’t believe I took on this Baltimore positive guy. I figured as much i i challenge people just a 15

Jessica Valis  02:09

minute call with Nestor. And then it turns into an hour long call and my husband’s pacing, wildly entertaining.

Nestor J. Aparicio  02:14

I mean, let’s be honest. What is hard for design. So what you do because you came to me really in an emergency. It was an emergency situation, though. I mean, you came to me I had written the letter to Bashar it two years ago, my entire website crashed with people who wanted to read it literally it was crashed with too much traffic. We had problems. We had some structural issues. Mike Rosenfeld was a part of this. And I found you. You were recommended by like a bunch of people, but I expected to find you in Bel Air. Harford designed to meet Harford County Jess, I was

02:46

in Bel Air for a time and then the cost of living is just cheaper up in New York, Pennsylvania, so

Nestor J. Aparicio  02:52

you wouldn’t live together? If you were York, Pennsylvania people. Yeah. So why did you make that move?

02:59

So let me tell you first a little bit about Harper designed to transition into creative circle collective. So it was the year of the pandemic, and I had lost my job. And I had just given birth to a baby. And before then I was like, nobody’s gonna hire a very pregnant lady. So what am I going to do? I’m going to create my own business. In graphic design, website design. What did you do before I worked at Wells Fargo doing financial branding, and publication?

Nestor J. Aparicio  03:25

I hope you weren’t the person on the phone with me when I had to call Wells Fargo because I never get the person on the phone.

03:28

We had to take training and I was like, this isn’t applicable to me. I’m talking to

Nestor J. Aparicio  03:33

people like Rosedale federal and local people. Because like, the world change, it’s 2020. I mean, you know, PPP is in this anatomy in the banking industry. You just decided enough banking. Yeah,

03:42

I would drive into work every day and be like, What am I doing? Why am I making the rich richer, I need to help the community at large. So Harford designs was created one because I love design. And two, because I wanted to be able to have an impact on the community around me. So I started off working with small businesses.

Nestor J. Aparicio  04:00

To have a sorry, we’re all small bit. Yeah, most of the world is small business. Yeah,

04:03

it is. And they’re the heart of any community really. And then my business partner, now business partner, Monique, and I started the creative circle collective together. She was how to design agency, I had mine and we were just constantly trading work with each other, and working on projects. So we were like, why are we doing the same thing twice? Why are we marketing individually? When we work together? Why are we making two business plans? Why are we doing this twice?

Nestor J. Aparicio  04:29

So this is what doctors would do, you know, get all together in one place have a medical center?

04:34

Yeah. So we merged our businesses together. And the creative circle collective, tries to focus on community based leaders, organizations that are trying to make an impact in the world around them, whether it’s through education, social justice, and reform. And just raising the statistics for you know, community better be better.

Nestor J. Aparicio  04:56

Well, I’m all about we’re Baltimore positive, not Baltimore negative, which I saw I brought you this crazy website. And I tried it. We were sports, but we’re doing this and we’re doing that we’re trying. You’ve just done a beautiful job of like getting my company from this thing in 2020, which was, hey, I was gonna run for mayor. anybody watched documentary knows that. And I’m like, Well, I have all of this content. And I have this vision, and I’m a newspaper guy at heart. And I’ve had this website that’s had a lot of traffic, how can we modernize it? How can we take? And I hate calling these podcasts? Like, you know, I do because you’re young, and I’m old. I think radio indicates that you’re a broadcaster. And there was some credibility or qualifications before like, anybody could have a podcast and I would

05:42

love to see a poll of how many people still listen to the radio versus podcasts? Because I am among those podcasts. No,

Nestor J. Aparicio  05:48

no, no, I’m not saying it’s it’s a productive term. But when people would walk in and see me doing this year in cost, this is a Oh, he’s doing a podcast, the Hold on, I’ve owned a radio station for 30 years. I’m a broadcaster. I’m not a guy that just decided I’m gonna have a show. I think, you know, the blogging thing, too, is being a writer. I

06:07

think the difference though, between you and another radio station is that you’re having meaningful conversations that you want to repurpose and share. Where

Nestor J. Aparicio  06:14

radio is playing music? Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. And radio, the term radio to me, doesn’t mean hyperlocal anymore. It means Jack radio, it means corporate radio, terrestrial radio versus satellite radio, Free Radio, radio had a range though. And the thing that all of my critics would crush me on in 1997 98, when I got the station was that I bought a small am radio station at the end of the band, the band with in the old days had Philco radios, where you had little dials the am band, if the 600 side of it, were longer, you could stay on that place on the dial 1570s really narrow band is kind of a radio work. So it was a cheaper, I could afford to do it for a million dollars, I could buy a radio station, where if you wanted to buy W li F in 1998, it was more like 30 million. So it was wasn’t for like regular people. But we had limitations. We have sunlight limitations after dark, we can’t turn our signal up. And the World Wide Web saved my life. Right? Like because the limitations of thinking you’re gonna run a radio station. And that’s the web. So my entry to the web was You’ve got mail. And then there were chat boards on the Baltimore suns website. And then there was I should have my own web page, I should have my own geo cities page or whatever, you know,

07:42

Angel Fire.

Nestor J. Aparicio  07:44

Well, we’ve come a long way from that to the point where I don’t know that 20 years ago, I ever thought that I’d be videoing that we’d be able to have computers that do this, that we would have this Wi Fi that’s invisible that would stream it live, like a technology has come so far.

07:59

Now, do you talk nicely to your Alexa and Google Apps? What should I do? Tell me because one day, my husband really reminds me all the time. Like don’t be so demanding with Alexa because one day the machines are gonna take over terminators. Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  08:11

the AI has already done that. Right? I mean, to some point, right? Yeah, it has.

08:16

And, I mean, it’s just so integrated into everything. Now you have an idea of running through AI. You have a blog idea. Do that, actually, I use a I don’t use AI. Okay, well, here’s a way to teach me. All right. Here’s an example of how I use AI. So Monique and I recorded a podcast called the design imposter. And it is what you can find on LinkedIn. You can find it wherever you listen to your podcasts. It is for we interview community leaders in the design space, we talk about their journeys, but then we also provide agency tips for new potential agencies and freelancers. Well, after we do a podcast, we can get the transcript. Now I’m not I don’t want to write the whole summary. I don’t want to find the bullet points. So I take the transcript, I put it into chat GPT. And I say, hey, write a summary for me, make a couple of catchy headlines. Write out bullet points and action items that the listeners can take after listening to this podcast. And it’ll put it in there for me now I still go through and read it. And I make adjustments because AI is very repetitive. Like every article, if it’s from tech, this is how you’ll know if it’s from Ai. In today’s digital world, nobody starts a paragraph like that, like that’s overdone.

Nestor J. Aparicio  09:28

When I see it, it’s very obvious when I’ve gotten common letters, right. I mean, I get AI letters, and they’re, you’ll appreciate this. Hi, I’ve been reading your website Baltimore positive and it looks great. You’re doing great things. How can we get a sponsored post, it’s always gambling. It’s always it’s sort of like your uncle in Africa that you need to give a billion rubles to to you know, you know, I mean, it’s yeah, it’s like it’s one of those old chain letters, you know, but I get letters AI all the time. It’s very obvious it’s AI or it’s very obvious. I think before that was second language people, people, I mean, all the Russian spam in 2016 that got Trump elected was all. If you read it, you would see nobody that speaks English would write in this way. Right? So AI always looks, quite frankly, like AI to me. It doesn’t feel human.

10:21

There’s been a couple times where I write something and Monique Jenkins will message me and be like, did you write this? Or did AI write this? And I’m like, No, that’s me. That’s me. So like, you’re right, like AI? Sometimes it depends, because sometimes I’ll write something like a heated email or text message even to a friend and I’ll be like, Wait, can you rewrite this so that I don’t sound so angry? And I’m trying to be diplomatic and friendly? And then it’ll give me something back and be like, no, no, no. sounds less like a politician and more like a friend. And then it’ll go back and Oh, give me something.

Nestor J. Aparicio  10:50

You can literally tell that. Yeah, you can give it I need to check up How can you be running my Well, I’ve never had a Chechi PT school with you. Jess. I’m getting this on the air says we got to do this in the real world. I need to make this Oh, no. Yeah, be functional. I’ve only played with jet ceppi G chat chi PT, which he said, I’ve only played with like twice. And Rosenfeld and I played with it. Oh, man, a year and a half ago, two years ago, when it first was getting more ubiquitous. We did a segment like this on a zoom, where he showed it to me for the first time. And we did stupid stuff like paint a raven mural and playing the Steelers this week, put a picture together of a raven standing on the Steelers throat, you know, whatever, and it would make art, but I have not spoken to it and tickled it to write headlines. I still do Baltimore positive, the old fashioned way. I roll the sleeves up, you know, I write real headlines. I write my own tags. I write my own excerpts, which sometimes people put ellipses in for it. Sometimes they don’t. But like

11:57

I am, he writes long excerpt sometimes. And it’s it’s just I like balance on a website. So when an excerpt like 200 character

Nestor J. Aparicio  12:07

designs, and this is a perfectionist getting together and trying to figure out what my brand is

12:14

something earlier. That is like, how to how do we interact? Are you the you know, you’re the perfect perfectionist? I try to be like, I try to stay on my grind a little bit with you’d be like No, Nestor No,

Nestor J. Aparicio  12:25

that’s ugly. That doesn’t work. Well, I don’t know. We have not. First things first. I love the website to go out to Baltimore. positive.com. Jessica of Alice is here. She’s from Hartford designs. It’s all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery. Now it’s creative circle collective. I don’t call you Hartford designs anymore ever. Just call you creative. Yeah,

12:45

call me creative circle collective.

Nestor J. Aparicio  12:46

I can’t say that. You know what it sounds like? An REM offshoot band. You know what I mean? Like if two members of REM we’re gonna have a new band shiny happy people like they were called Creative circles circle collective, sir. Okay. Circle club,

13:04

or you can call a CCC for I’m just gonna call you Jessica. And unlike Harford designs, which became a York based company, you didn’t want to rename it, York. Nope. CCC is a Baltimore based company. We are in the spark building down a power plant.

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:18

I know where that is. Yeah. All right. Great facility. By the way, they just blew up the community college right in front of their show. My wife and Cena yet I drove down Lombard Street, a man lived downtown 20 years ago. I’m like, oh my god, it’s gone. Like I could see the spark from Lombard Street. Yeah, like overwhelmed to get downtown Gold Rush sevens. doublers from the Maryland lottery. Our friends at Costas, you’re hosting us today on the Maryland crab cake tour as well as Jiffy Lube multi care where I get my car lubed and of course, Liberty pier solutions they make my water crystal clear at home I’m here Costas This is almost tastes as good as Liberty pure water. But don’t Don’t. Don’t tell Pete that here. Websites and design and I’ve talked to Mike a bunch about this from web connection. He 20 years ago, I met him he was building websites. Every Costas needed a website, let alone little Nestor who was trying to like create a sports section for the to put the Baltimore Sun out of business that was more where I was. But when I would go out into space, Facebook was coming on MySpace was gone. Twitter is not a place, you’re gonna put your menu. Then Google happened, right? And you have to be on Google location. And I remember my wife is a project engineer with Verizon. She got one of the first early phones it was web enabled. That didn’t happen fast because of 2g

14:38

Or when one G or whatever the heck it was. Oh my god and let’s not talk about their rates.

Nestor J. Aparicio  14:41

Yeah. Oh, yeah. permitted and all that stuff. And what you find that when you travel internationally, they give you 500 gigabytes of boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, 20 minutes in your trip. They want to

14:51

box from you, right? You turn on your phone at the airport, and it’s like you’ve exceeded Oh, exactly.

Nestor J. Aparicio  14:54

Here’s $25 I came back at a $200 bill in Jamaica one time once and that was the do that. But this thing has become like a search machine for me to find meals to go places and how far we’ve come. How many people still don’t have a website? I mean, people actually even when call Harford design, say I don’t have unless you’re a new business. How can you survive without a website? Actually,

15:18

it’s a little interesting, because I like to support local businesses whenever I can. So in my small town, we’ve got business owners. So if I need to get electrical work done, I will contact somebody who lives in my town, if I need plumbing work, I contact somebody who lives in my town. Those individuals do not have websites, they have Facebook pages, they don’t eat sometimes they don’t even have that. And moreover, they, they don’t even have their stuff up on Google My Business, where are you finding them? Because I go onto my local Facebook groups for the community. And I say, Hey, who’s a local electrician. So these are missed opportunities. And then the other individual. He’s in plumbing. And if somebody posts Oh, my God had a water main break, then we just tagged his organization, if you

Nestor J. Aparicio  15:59

have any thing you’re selling, and you don’t at least have a menu, let alone a picture of it. Whatever you’re selling, if you’re selling a skill, a laborer, something, the, the brochure, the pamphlet, the handout, the Xerox, the thing that you used to give 50 years ago, has to be here, or you’re not going to just love

16:23

and have the basics, like you can’t just throw up your name, what you do, it’s going to be a whole experience, I need to see work that you’ve done in the past, I need to see before and after pictures, ooh, that is my sweet spot.

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:34

It’s a Yelp thing, right? Or whatever that verification of your legitimacy would be. In the old days, they would say we’re bonded, right? That would be we’re a bonded thing that would be well, there’s some trust involved in that. Or my favorite is, we don’t do new advertising. We’re word of mouth. works

16:52

for some people.

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:53

I think that that’s becoming you can do but you can grow better, but you’ll never maximize your business. Absolutely not know that. That is a very, very limited, thought unto itself.

17:05

Yeah, just go on referrals. You’ve got to be actively out there, even if it’s just like going on LinkedIn, because I think that’s how we got connected was I saw post, and I messaged you, I think and you

Nestor J. Aparicio  17:16

heard somebody else message me on. I felt like somebody pimped you to me, somebody I’m not somebody said, you need Jessica. So somebody recommended you. I could go back and figured out what you were recommended. And then I think you jumped the thread. Like I think somebody tagged Well, this is the way it happens. Yeah. Somebody said, Hey, my friend Jessica did aren’t Hey, she was great. And it just because Alice in blue. And then I’m like, oh, and then you pop that that rattled your cage on LinkedIn. You saw it, and you’re like, oh, I need to deal with this maniac from Dundalk. And through his website, maybe you’ll find me crabcake one day, right? Yeah. Where’s that crab cake? Well, I mean, you got the crab soup, it’s 104 degrees outside, you’re the one that ordered the soup in here today. So Riddle me this, because I didn’t even really ask you this. Because when I, you came to me under duress, and you helped me put a fire out. And within 10 days, it sort of straighten my thing out. And I’m like, I like her. I’m gonna have her on the show. So I found you under duress, I didn’t find you under, oh, I’m looking to build a web page. And who can help me or whatever. I’m like, My issue is on fire. I needed plenty to buy a fire extinguisher. But I didn’t even say to you. Let me see your portfolio. Let me see your work. You know, let me see references. The last couple of years. Why do people call you other than idiots like me on fire on the internet? You found me that way. But for our audience and for what you’re doing, who is a client for you? Is it like Costas Sneads? There? And we had somebody that built it, and it’s okay, and we want to update it? Are you that person second generation website, I’ll

18:53

tell you about a couple clients with the Hartford designs client turned CCC client, the Loyola school in Baltimore, okay. And then we just signed another school down in DC. And for both of them, it was this is our website. We’re not getting leads anymore. We’re not getting student applications. We’re not getting donor, you know, interest. So how can we improve that? Not to mention a website needs to be updated every three to five years anyway, just because of the improvements in technology and the user experience. That’s what she told me when

Nestor J. Aparicio  19:24

she did the website this week now. Well, you said three to five years, I built that piece of crap that we Oh, and the site wasn’t bad. It was built on a Romanian theme that I that worked very well until it didn’t anymore until

19:37

they didn’t support it. Yeah,

Nestor J. Aparicio  19:38

of course. That’s that’s the nature of like Edsel’s, I guess right and everything else. I built that in the summer of 2020. Not really knowing what I was doing with someone sort of holding my hand that’s two people holding my hand that summer to get it built. And I was blown away after building my site in oh six and oh seven where I dove And I took myself off the radio, all I did was embed with the late, Matt God are down at round two integrated, just passed away about six months ago back in, oh 607. I’m like, I have this radio station that I need to bring to the web, I need to bring a living breathing Baltimore Sun sports connection to the web. At that time, apps weren’t happening. Apple and Droid were in Google Android were like different technologies. And all of these things weren’t platform in the same way across the Safaris in the Chrome’s and browser issues, iPads were coming, mobile was coming. And then you know, Ravens won the Super Bowl, I’m running a company, my wife almost dies, I come back out. We’re into a plague like all of that I was blown away in 2020, by what was available that I could have only dreamed of in 2006, and seven into all due respect to tagdiv. And what I built, that was like a billion dollar technology 20 years ago, to get a website theme to make it look that way. And I’m guessing apps are sort of that way right now sort of white label and ubiquitous. But like, anybody can build their own website and they you know, do it poorly. Then there’s a point where like, somebody like you comes along and builds technology, SEO SEM, and making sure the backsides, right so I built mine in 2020 by 2022, I found you and you’re like, hey, we can do better than this. Then I fought with the in 2023 because I didn’t have time. And then it’s 2024 we made the baby and so scheduled over but but for a year, it was a four year process that I lived in the Old like a car. Yeah, I drove that car for four years, right?

21:44

I mean, even like a car on website is going to need tuneups, and at some point, sometimes the manufacturer stops making the park and you’ve got to go jump around and find something that works. And a lot of times with people who DIY their sites is that the technology is no longer compatible with each other. So the theme, which is one of the issues we have with your breaks, it breaks and it’s no longer compatible. We couldn’t update your ad rotate application anymore. We couldn’t update jetpack we couldn’t update like the Costas

Nestor J. Aparicio  22:12

ads don’t run. Yeah. And the lottery ads don’t run. We don’t have a website. Yeah, it’s that we’re gonna cart those and run basically. Yeah,

22:19

exactly. So it limits you and also with these updates, there’s security things in there as well. So maybe they’re just increasing the amount of security so when your users come there’s no security breaches or anything. So it’s always important to stay on top of your website updates. Well, we

Nestor J. Aparicio  22:33

were going through stuff the other day I had a little not secure up there I almost actually then went away and I’m like, not secure always weirds me out. So a

22:41

lot of times you’ll get the nonsecure notification when a plugin is outdated. Okay, yeah, so even if it’s like

Nestor J. Aparicio  22:48

that was a problem the other day yeah, I’m learning that Jessica phallus is here she is formerly Harvard design she’s now with the creator you can try to get it on my own okay, you don’t creative circle collective. It’s the circle part in the middle that I’m not creative collective circle is what I want to keep calling it. Just call it CCC for now. That’s Catonsville community college, they call that a UCLA University Katyn to the left of our beauties

23:11

just call us creative circle. For sure.

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:15

She does websites website design, she has awakened the giant that is Baltimore positive.com Have you seen the new fonts and new stuff? The new ads the new Luke, the new Johnny Bravo Luke’s gonna be your little later on today. We’re Costas we’re giving away the Gold Rush seven doublers mere lottery scratch offs you’ve got one and there’s only one. Well you know, you can just download the zappy game I like to scratch or you like the bingo ones that are well I would have given you the PacMan see the scratchy stuff. You get the scratchy stuff on the tablecloth. Sometimes it gets under your nails, but I’m an old nickel quarter dime Penny guy and scratching these puppies but we will have these to giveaway at Pappas on Tuesday. All it brought to you by our friends at Liberty pure solutions as well as Jiffy Lube, multi care, your podcast and the things you talk about and the people you talk about. I’m just asking too nerdy for me. I mean to design a nerdy I mean, it’s an industry podcast. Really? Yeah.

24:13

I mean, for the design imposter, like I said earlier, it’s twofold. We talk about things in the industry, how to start a business, how to write an RFP, okay, how to pitch to clients how to identify a bad client, but then we also talk so you’re

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:29

pitching people that are like you people who are designers that may be moving from a situation into being their own business, you’re at your job, and you’re trying to help the people that weren’t there to help you five years ago when you wanted to do

24:41

exactly it’s the mentorship aspect, okay. And then the other side of of it is that we talked to amazing people in their industry, and they share their stories for maybe working at corporate and then starting their own businesses. And this is where the imposter syndrome comes in because you work someplace and you’re like, Can I do it? Can I do it? And there’s the trial On Air, and then just to see the success and where people have come it’s really great to listen to those inspirational stories.

Nestor J. Aparicio  25:06

Well, let’s get their stories on where do people find the podcast? Anywhere

25:10

you listen to podcasts, it is called the design imposter, the design

Nestor J. Aparicio  25:13

imposter. Okay, so my specific website, this is your chance to do what you’ve always wanted to do. People me publicly show that Okay, good. My website and what I’m trying to do when you are talking your husband who’s here, oh, by the way, wasn’t here late. He’s too busy, too tired, but was very involved with the bridge tragedy. And you you literally were my news agency that yeah, you text me. I was at four in the morning. Yeah. My

25:41

husband is a Baltimore City police officer. And he is part of the serene recovery unit. And it was I think the bridge collapsed that too. Was

Nestor J. Aparicio  25:50

he sleeping in bed? And yeah, you were Yeah, we were we were back phone went off.

25:55

Yeah. So he got text message, text message, because sometimes the Recover units like oh, a car fell into the harbor. And this time it was the bridge collapsed. So he woke up, woke me up. And he was out the door by like, 233 o’clock in the morning, and then he was down at the bridge. But

Nestor J. Aparicio  26:13

if he was here, and if he were here, as you expected him to be, this would be the point where I say, Hey, dude, I got it under my gear. Like, I want it like I really wanted to honor Him because I’ve not met him. But I knew his father. Very, very well. Glenn valus was part of the maroon and Rifkin. And we lost Glen, a couple of your father in law. But I wanted to have him on because like, it would. It’s one of the more surreal moments, I think we’ll have like 911 was one of those, like, but from a Baltimore done. I mean, you could see the bridge from here. I mean, we’re here we’re at the foot of the bridge, the bridge agenda, one of our servers swells to go across every day and can’t be more

26:52

well, what had happened was so, you know, the bridge collapses. You’re texting everybody, you know, and because of my husband’s career, if I didn’t text people ahead of time, I my phone would have gotten blown up as Chris okay, it’s Chris. Okay. So I went online, and I saw that you were silent. And I was like, this isn’t Nestor. So I messaged you, you were down in Florida. And I said, Hey, just wanna let you know, bridge collapse. you

Nestor J. Aparicio  27:15

text me at? I think it was about 3:49am. As I remember the thing I didn’t, I turned the phone off. That was the night the night before was the night that was shoddy. And, and the caster ran for me. They saw me at the Florida and they literally ran for me. So that was at midnight, Luke had to get up. We had our alarm set for 6am because there was a 7am breakfast with all the NFL coaches. That was two miles away. And we were in a hotel. So I woke up at like 530 just waking up. I just woke up and looked down and I saw text messages from you. On the on the front of my light on my phone. I had to get my glasses and I’m like, did the website crash? Yes, yes. Jessica is freaking out in the middle of the night because the Russians attacked our website. Like, that’s literally what I’m expecting the fine. Why would you be texting me at five o’clock in the morning, you know? And I looked and I’m like, You’re like the Cambridge went? I’m like, Well, I knew and you sent me a literal Link from The Guardian. It was a UK. Yeah, it was it was in your European in your other life. So six hours ahead. I looked at it. It was like a legitimate link. And then I went to Twitter. And the first thing I did I put my glasses on, I hit the light. I said to Luke, you gotta get up. It’s 530. We’re getting up anyway, I’m like, and I held to Luke and Sharon double beds in a hotel room. I held the phone to him. Like I’m like, the key bridges down. He’s like, I need to get my classes. He couldn’t read it. And then I put the TV on. And then there’s Johnny yo, and I’m like, has a bridge collapse? Like how does that How is that even possible? And you were the still me about your husband? So the phone rings? You have a house for like, how does that? How does a bad phone go off at two anymore? Well,

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he has got a work phone. And that has to stay on? Um, no. Usually turns it off when he gets home. But anybody who’s like one of his partners has his personal phone. And so like I said he would get calls before where it’s like, hey, a car rolled into the harbor. Somebody threw a scooter there might be a gun. They

Nestor J. Aparicio  29:22

call him at two in the morning to wake him up from time sometimes shift. Yeah, but he might just dive in the harbor when bad things happen. Gosh. And I only ask you let me tell you why. Because I lived on 23rd floor at the harbor. And there would be mornings and I don’t mean macabre because, you know, we hear enough poop about the city and I’m not that guy. But we would see people like we would see an ambulance we would see that there have been a tragedy of some kind, right? That the end that somebody was diving into the heart but we would see that because we lived at the harbor. And I never thought for a minute like a two in the morning. You’d have to have your phone and I had my phone off to your point that’s rare. Yeah, that I had my phone off. I would just think your husband has the kind of job that his phone has to be on. I think about that. What politician? Yeah. How did everybody get out of bed three in a way who woke Johnny yo up to get him down to a press briefing? And five? I mean,

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yeah, well, you know how some phones now, you know, it’s you call, nobody answers, and it’s silent. You call again, nobody answered. If you call a certain number of time, it will light your phone up. But he usually keeps like, he’ll get

Nestor J. Aparicio  30:23

text. Emergency Function kinda. Yeah. Okay.

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All right. So if you call somebody certain number of times after like, I think the third or fifth or 100th time becomes urgent. Yeah. All right. So he gets the call. He’s up. He wakes me up. He goes, he’s rushing to get ready. And I’m just up now I’m wired. He’s

Nestor J. Aparicio  30:43

saying that this isn’t on the news yet. Right. I mean, this is with the television. This is three in the morning. Yeah. Well, we

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also don’t have cable. Okay, fair enough. But

Nestor J. Aparicio  30:50

so you have twitter you have? Yeah, yeah. So

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Kate only the only places where it was available. Were the foreign news outlets, and maybe one or two. And I would I went on CNN and they were, you know, they’re a little behind. So. And then, and then he went out. I can show you pictures. He was right up next to that shit.

Nestor J. Aparicio  31:12

Yeah, I just for everybody. One of my partners lost someone in the tragedy. One of the six folks that died had previously worked for one of my one of my sponsors, so they knew him. There was family the whole and he was one of the last to be to be found by your husband.

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Yeah. Yeah. So Chris, actually, he couldn’t dive that week. He couldn’t get his ears to pop. Okay, so but he was driving the boat. And but his brother went down. And they were the team that how many folks do that kind of work? It’s between like seven to 10? Yeah. So it’s a very small team. Sure. And they have, they have to do training every single month. So there’s like almost like three to five days, every single month he has to go. And like prep and do training for the dive unit. Just

Nestor J. Aparicio  31:57

right, do a little comedy and see what he endorsed me jumping in the harbor without

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he’s done the Polar Bear Plunge, but in a wetsuit.

Nestor J. Aparicio  32:05

Whenever people are diving into Harbor, I’m like, Man, I love Baltimore. But I don’t really like dive into water. I mean, your husband does it professionally. That’s a little different. You know? Yeah. Jessica, Val says here, her husband’s one of the heroes who was with Baltimore City crew, in the aftermath. And she was the one who told me about this website needs for people out there. When they think they need a website, or they think they I knew I needed someone like you long before I met you, I had a hard time finding you. And Mike would tell you that to my present job, you know, my chief digital officer has been with me for a number of years, we like it was really important for me to have you local, you know that like when I said I’m not doing not even it wasn’t about domestic or India or foreign or any of that. It was like, this is a local company, I need someone that can come the cost. And I can hug them and talk to them and know them and like, it’s just different. And I I feel very strongly about that. And I wasn’t gonna allow anybody else to do it.

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Yeah, let’s explore that community aspect to your work because our relationship at this point isn’t just the website’s down. Like I said, I noticed something I know you do news, I noticed the bridge was down. I texted you, right? And I’ve got clients who are in the financial space. And I’d be like, oh, did you listen to this podcast? Or I’ve got people in the nonprofits realm. And I’ll be like, Hey, did you see this tax law, just to you know, show them paying attention to the industry. And I’m not just oh, your website, your website,

Nestor J. Aparicio  33:28

I see that on LinkedIn, you try to be helpful to people on LinkedIn, yeah, way. So

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I’m trying to embrace community. And that’s what the creative circle is all about. And with the community, if you’re trying to serve a certain audience, we don’t just build the website, we’re going to talk to that audience first, and see what they’re looking for and how we can get them from the homepage to the buy page, or to the support or the join the mail list page. Well, I’m

Nestor J. Aparicio  33:52

convinced you can do anything after dealing with me so I would highly endorse Jessica val is where your Costas today talking about our website at Baltimore. positive.com She and I were fighting about was the fonts they put yesterday. I’m sure they you know, when you do these when you make these babies, it’s like I like that picture square. Why I like it rectangle. Why I like this font. Why I like that. I like this way. I like that. I want the ads here. I don’t like ads. I’ve never met a designer who likes my ads at all. I don’t like that’s fine. They pays for it. Don’t tell anyone. This is how we pay the bills. Our friends cost this we love them all will be passed on Tuesday as well. Um, but I had a friend that reached me maybe six months ago. And she said she needed to build a website. I literally didn’t send her to you. Because she didn’t have like a big budget for it. It was more of a she wants more like a a trip kind of idea. She’s trying to get folks to go on trips and do that and needs a she didn’t want to have a Facebook page. She needs to have commerce she needs to be able to take your credit card, right? So she needs her own thing. And I thought this is I don’t see below your pay grade or but not what your necessarily tell me if I’m wrong or not. She didn’t want to ruin she had a friend, she didn’t really need you. But she did inquire to me like, Hey, you have a website, like, teach me about this. I’m like, I know enough to not know that you need to call Jessica or somebody like her find a professional to do it. Is there a job too small? I guess that’s my question. You know,

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one of the things Monique and I did was a vibe check. And if we don’t vibe as human beings, we’re not going to be the right fit for the project. So

Nestor J. Aparicio  35:26

you sure you still wanna work with me? I’m just checking that you really don’t like me, even though we disagree sometimes. But I love you. So I mean, but it’s part of the tough part of I want it my way you want it the right way. And somewhere in there, we get it in some way where you convince me it’s my way, even though it’s the right one.

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I’m used to this I’m married, we never walk away angry. We’re just like, oh, man, Jessica. She’s too much. And I’m like Nestor,

Nestor J. Aparicio  35:55

those ellipses still of interest. Yeah,

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I gotta take the line. That’s

Nestor J. Aparicio  35:58

fine. But, but there is a lot to argue about when you’re building the website for somebody, it really is. And

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you know, a lot of it is indicative of the budget. Unfortunately, people who have a smaller budget, they want to make sure that every single dollar they can see on this site, but they don’t take into account necessarily the education and how much background and expertise somebody has, like, I have a master’s degree in publication website design. So when you hire me, are you just hiring somebody right out of high school or college? Who can do your website? Or are you hiring somebody who’s got the professional background? I’ve done this for a long time. I’ve had the training, and you’re paying for the expertise to get it done. Right? The correct

Nestor J. Aparicio  36:36

to give me all that speech. First time I met you, I was on fire and you’re like, I think I can fix it. You convinced me you can fix it, and then you fixed it. And then it’s over, then I love you. Yeah, it’s good that you’re

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the ideal client that you don’t have to explain this to. You’re like, I’m in the industry. Cool. I trust you off board it. Those are the ideal clients who who don’t try to get too much in there. So

Nestor J. Aparicio  36:56

like, I’m not, I know, you found it easy to have a relationship me and I trusted you early on, but like, I have been sunburned by third party. You know, I’ve famously said to you, I had web developers that I did not like and or get along with, and then you wind up in a marriage with them. I mean, I’ve had six web developers, I’ve legitimately disliked two of them, like literally got into it. I’m like, Oh, my God, they have every password, they have the key to everything. And if they raised my rate, now I’d have to stick with because I can’t get well, it felt like I was never going to divorce one of my web developers, because that was too far. And I looked at it. And I think I told you this a year and a half ago. And this is for anybody. It’s a real business issue. If you have your website, you feel like this is going to be a lot, a lot of work to do it. And I know I cried you last summer. I’m like, Look, I don’t have 60 days in my life to sit aside, because I know this isn’t. It’s not a weekend project to do my website, right? Like, yeah, it was gonna be like a lot of strategy, a lot of thinking, and I didn’t even have the bandwidth and like you and I didn’t have the band that can afford you. And I didn’t have the bandwidth last summer to do it. But then you find if you get into the wrong web development situation, I found that really difficult to divorce myself from it. And that’s why I’m pleased to have you here and I brag on you, and pimple on you. Because I’ve been in those bad circumstances where I’m like, I can’t get out the mafia. Yeah, I think

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half the clients that come to me, they are in that bad developer space. And they do have the keys to the castle. So the first thing you got to do is you need to get those keys before you get rid of them passwords, all of that, oh, yeah, changed his passwords. I had

Nestor J. Aparicio  38:42

a major security breach about 10 years ago with a web developer where like, I didn’t have any. I didn’t own the website. He did write me because he had all the keys. That’s a really strange place to be. And I think for any owner loses control, whether its cost is so and crabcakes. Having control of the website is like paramount. Well, here’s something

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that happened two weeks ago, somebody reached out to us about a redesign. They had a developer, they did not like the direction it was going, they’d been using them for a while. So we had a call with them were like, Okay, we’ll put something together for you tomorrow. So we’re putting the proposal together. The next day, I go on their website, and it’s down. And I think to myself, and it’s not just down it’s reset to the basic WordPress theme

Nestor J. Aparicio  39:23

almost sabotage. Yeah. And I was like,

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Oh my gosh, I messaged them, I was like, Hey, I don’t know if you fired your other company or not. But like, your website is down. It’s 910 o’clock in the morning, a website should not be down at this point. And I call the company and they’re like, Oh, she’s in a meeting. I’m like, this is one of those things you need to get her out of the meeting for to let her know. She got back. She’s like, Oh, yeah, we were just changing servers. And I was like, you don’t change servers at a nine o’clock in the morning. That’s an overnight thing. I was like here I am freaking out. You just told me you have a bad relationship with your developer wonder. And well, this is this is a demonstration of the the know how you don’t you don’t I change servers like that at peak time. Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  40:03

I am appreciative you and I know you gotta get you back home, your husband, you got kids, you got all this stuff. Jessica has done our website if I would hold it up for you, but you can go see it on your own. If you want the mobile experience and all that good stuff. From my website, what would you say to my audience about what I’ve tried to build? Because I am. I know, I’m a handful dude, like I got, you know, like, I know, I’m complicated. As my wife ask anybody who’s ever dealt with me? And I think I said that to you. In the beginning. I’m like, you know, I’m difficult. You sure? I think I said to you a few times, you sure you want to do this, because like we’re all in. Now, I’ve just been really pleased with everything about you and your person, and the story. But you’ve created a baby that I’m really proud of. And I like it. And I didn’t love it two weeks ago. And I mean, you know, like, fonts are weird like that you launched and we got into fonts, and then you put a whole bunch of fonts up and said, pick what you like. But we found a way, I think to build something that it’s the beginning of the next couple of years, because we’re gonna have to tune it up and all that but yeah, but what would you say about my website? Because I’m, I’m a pretty complicated client for you. I think I don’t think I’m easy.

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Yeah, I think when it comes to your website, I love that you put the community first aspects for the sports.

Nestor J. Aparicio  41:13

Trying, I think the sports is important.

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I like that you keep it local, that these are people that, you know, you’re talking to the governor, you’re talking to business owners, I love that part of the website. And I love that you put it front and center. Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  41:27

I love that we you’ve managed to take all the history of my site, and all the old interviews with dead rock stars and politicians and whatever, that it’s all there. And I think that that’s the thing that if I were promoting something about my site, I would say you can find anything I’ve ever done. Like literally just put David Bowie into the search. And it’ll pop Oh,

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the other thing I thought of for your site, we you were uploading your podcasts or your audio straight to your website, which was another reason was getting bogged down. So we got you onto a podcasting platform. So you can still upload it via your website, but then it goes to the podcasting platform, and you’re not bogged down with all this memories. Well, why

Nestor J. Aparicio  42:06

my site was crashing was the audio. We just we do a lot of work here. I mean, we and everything I do, I made it a point 10 years ago, because of the website. And when my wife got sick, I’m like, I’m gonna sit here and do 30 minutes of anything with anybody. I want it to be captured. I want it to be relevant tomorrow. I mean, it’s difficult with the Orioles where they play every night. But I wanted to do I didn’t call them podcasts, I call them segments that I could play on the radio in a rotation because I’m always thinking about the radio first, and feeding that as something like cars are going by here. What would the relevancy for them to put it on? It’s got to be current. But the other part of it I guess, is is having it live and be a headline, have words to it. Because you can just put a sentence up and say Luke and Nestor talking about baseball, like to put that up any day. But I’m a headline writer. And that’s where the excerpt comes in to create a little bit of color for it. And then there were the parts were like just having pictures that we could share, I go back to my documentary, like, I had to go and make pictures, take them to the photo mat, take the film out, pay 12 bucks, take the pictures to the printer, who would then print the thing, who would then take it to the post office and we would mail the newsletter. Like the fact that we can be so vibrant, that’s the best part of my age is saying, All of it’s a miracle to me that I can stream all of this and broadcast all this and have a home for it. That does the same thing WPA on WJC those which is make pictures come to life and words come to life and tell stories. And that was something we never thought about 25 years it was live live live radio, and it evaporated, right. You just do it and be gone. Take a phone call and be gone forever. And did you hear what Nestor said? Well, you missed it. That’s why you have to listen tomorrow, right? I like that everything we’re doing that’s intelligent, gets captured. It goes to YouTube, it goes to the podcast, it goes to the website, and people can enjoy it when they want that you don’t miss anything. And I guess that was the thing I would say you don’t miss this conversation or any conversation can be shared. And it’s great SEO to Yeah, but you have to have some vault to put it in that doesn’t bog down the bag and crashed the website, which is something you taught me. Yeah, she teaches me a lot of things.

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If you would like to be taught on your website or we you would just like to offload it completely. You can reach out to me at Jessica at Creative circle co.com Or you can visit my website creative circle co.com

Nestor J. Aparicio  44:38

Creative circle collective. That’s the CO No, no CO it’s like creative circle. co.com

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Creative

Nestor J. Aparicio  44:46

circle CO is the collective. Yeah, that’s what I meant. Oh, yeah.

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The CO is the collective.

Nestor J. Aparicio  44:51

She’s up in Pennsylvania. She’ll be in Ohio. She’ll be here in Maryland. Her husband will be in the city doing good work. She’s Jessica valus for Willie of Hartford designs for formerly Wells Fargo still have sort of Hartford design, creative circle collective. I knew by the time I got through 45 minutes to this, we get it done whatever positive.com is our website all of our good stuff is up there. We are giving away the Gold Rush sevens. doublers we’re talking websites, we’re talking fun Chris Emory’s here he’s got the Rock and Roll he’s now an edge Mirian we’re Costas in in beautiful Dundalk. Luke Jones is going to be here. We’re gonna watch the Orioles Tuesday we’re going to be at Papist from two until five. They have threatened to break the karaoke machine out and have me do some Engelbert Humperdinck. I don’t think that’s happening on Tuesday, but I’m gonna knock back some chicken friend Chase. It’s a big month around your crab cake tours happening at Heritage fair next weekend, Fourth of July, Luke’s covering baseball. I’m covering baseball. We’re going to be lottery tickets. Our friends at Liberty pure solution sending us out on the road, as well as Jiffy Lube, multi care. This is your homework just working on the crabcake tour. We have a 25th anniversary. This is the cupcake you can see it right here. This is the 25th anniversary cupcake. We’re going to be in September doing 26th 26th anniversary 26 oysters in 26 days,

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I wouldn’t be invited to this because 26 ways we’re in Pennsylvania gotta

Nestor J. Aparicio  46:10

come to Maryland, Maryland not we’re not going to Pennsylvania.

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You know, Pennsylvania is landlocked. It’s not getting fresh.

Nestor J. Aparicio  46:16

Everybody keeps talking about this place in Delaware that has great crabcakes called political bodies. I’ve been there right I’ve been there to Fenwick right up to Dewey the whole deal, right? You’re in Delaware. It’s the Maryland crab cake tour. You know, I might go down there during Mako and eat one of the crab cakes because I hear that the lid the great great Batman told me the best crab cake he’s ever had was in Delaware. I’m like what? But it is the Maryland crab cake tour. So we’re doing these oysters. So there’s going to be an oyster tour section. This is I’m giving you

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blue points.

Nestor J. Aparicio  46:48

I’m not eating them all. So here’s the deal. I got to figure out all the ramifications. One day like here at Costas as an example. They have an oyster stew that they serve in a Doughboys bread bowl. So but to be really honest, they have the best Oysters Rockefeller here they have this cream like oysters. Excuse me, I love them. Why didn’t we have some for lunch? Hold on. I’m gonna order Can I order some oysters? I want I want some Oysters Rockefeller. Give me an odd number. So she and I can fight over whether it’s gonna be me. So she can when she develops my website. I want her to feel like a winner. So yeah. Just don’t bring me 12 Bring

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me like now you’re fine. I will eat 12

Nestor J. Aparicio  47:35

Don’t bring her bring her 11 or 13. Just bring five can we do five? Five oysters? Oysters. We’re gonna do this during the break. I’m gonna get Emory in on this. People. This is my specialty with you’re getting into my shtick now. So people go to Costas, for the crabcakes. They go to cocoas with the crabcakes. They go to Pappus for the crabcakes they’re all great crabcakes people, which one do you like better? They’re gonna fade these for the crabcakes. And I’m like, they’re all really different. Like the, the crab cake here is just going to be different than the other crap. It’s why I did it this way. Because they’re like your crab cakes everyday. They’re all different. So I had 25 crab cakes and 25 days. And then I did 26 Last year, the oyster thing. I’m doing this as a different way to eat oysters. So I’m not trying to do like bluepoints today. And then Chincoteague is here and Prince Edward Island I’m what I’m trying to do is see them prepared differently by chefs. So I’m not going to eat oyster stew every day. I’m trying to find like two or three places that have a famous oyster stew. And then maybe I do want a week for three weeks. Here’s

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here’s how you can really get different kinds of oysters. You do one with lemon, one with cocktail sauce, and then the other one with vinegar. That’s good enough. That’s three weeks,

Nestor J. Aparicio  48:46

I’ve made these oyster recovery partnership people I’ve been on the phone with them. They think I’m going to eat a dozen a day every day for 26 days. And I’m like, No and no, no, I did that with crab cakes. And it’s not that I was sick of crab cakes by the end. But I would get a really good crab cake and it would just be okay because I had 20 days of crab cakes in a row. This oyster thing I’ve decided not doing them shocked every day. I’m not doing them raw. I’m gonna do them differently every day. Is there an oyster fricassee if there isn’t going to find it, I’m looking for different ways to make them so I don’t eat them the same way. I’m looking to Rockefeller once and if I do it a different Rocco better have bacon or some salt morning. I want to do them differently. Does that make sense? It does all over the state. And we’re going to do that with the Maryland lottery. We’re gonna do the oyster recovery. But I’m here I would have a tough time deciding whether I want to stick with the Rockefeller and I’m going to do one day here. We’re going to decide today if you’d like the Rockefeller I’ll do the Rockefeller How do you like him?

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I like him wrong. Cocktail cocktail style. Lemon Lemon cocktail sauce maybe but

Nestor J. Aparicio  49:52

cocktail not horseradish and like ketchup or anything like that. No garlic, none of that kind of stuff.

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I like it’s fun. I

Nestor J. Aparicio  50:00

see, my favorite oyster I’ve ever had in my life was at the joint down in the faint Dragos in New Orleans, and I had never had them this way. I’ve only had them this way. I think they do them this way here, but maybe it’s something at the oven that they don’t come down there charcoal, they do more charcoal. So it’s kind of like like champs pit beef or whatever charcoal ish. I was at a cocktail, a stab an event Super Bowl week when we were in the Super Bowl. So this is 2013. So I was already 45 years old, and I never had this in my life. Were at one of those events that was in New Orleans. Tuesday was a media event. And they had the charcoal out and they were barbecuing oysters. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like they were there was fire. And the oysters were boiling.

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I don’t think you realize the extent of how much I love shellfish. My husband and I went camping really early on in Jersey, and we that’s what you did with them. And we’d got clams, fresh clams, I put them on the grill. And as they opened, I just ate them. My husband says I looked like Gollum just like hovering over the ring, just, you know, shoving these? Well, these things.

Nestor J. Aparicio  51:06

There was a giant fire in a charcoal pit. And they were all oysters on it. And I don’t Don’t make fun of me. But I had not seen this before. And then went over and ate and they put butter, garlic. I don’t know what that horseradish. You know? Just love. There’s love in there. You know what I mean? Like, so I had a couple of them. And I’m like, I have never tasted an oyster like this. And I don’t know why we don’t do them that way here. And maybe Pete’s gonna come over here and yell at me and say we’re doing back here that way every day. You just don’t order him that way. I didn’t know he did fried shrimp here. The way you saw me eating for lunch. I love them. I didn’t I just don’t think about it that way. So this oyster thing 26 different ways. I’m trying to see are there 26 different ways to eat an oyster in stews, soups, broiling grilling, hovering over the grill and eating them as they open with fresh, whatever. But I want to try them different ways. That’s going to be my goal. All

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right. I think for your listeners, if you have a favorite oyster place, and they do something beyond just raw oysters, they need to get in touch with you. So you can find a local, a new local, all my

Nestor J. Aparicio  52:19

crab people would tell me the most important thing I could do during this and the oyster recovery partnership has been this way too. If you’re in places where they collect the shells, there, that’s the that’s the recovery partnership. Those shells see the bay that allow other oysters to live. Oysters are the most important part of the crabcake. Because the oysters clean the water. Yep. And the grasses that allow the crabs to live and breathe and breed and stay away from these crazy catfish and are eaten them. And the oyster is the most important oyster helps the crab live without oysters. We have no crabs. So for that I’ve been educating people about this because I didn’t know about it. But like every oyster is like hundreds of 1000s of gallons of water that Oh yeah, it’s in the bay. It’s

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like, a square foot for a minute or an hour. Yeah, it’s

Nestor J. Aparicio  53:13

like, I’m gonna learn about all this. I’m gonna talk to your web scientist. I’m going to talk to oyster scientist. I’m a sports scientist. Not really.

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I’m just a waster amateur?

Nestor J. Aparicio  53:24

Well, here’s what we’re gonna do. It’s June, you’re still going to be doing my website in September, we’re going to have this idea. I’m doing your website. The next thing is the app. The app is the brass ring that I’m reaching for. So in September, you pick a day you bring the kids you bring the hobby, don’t let him sleep in. And we’re gonna figure it’s gonna be Maryland not gonna be Pennsylvania now. We’re going to do an oyster one of the oyster days you gotta come to with me. Good. Absolutely. We’ll do this again. All right, absolutely. Just give Alice Thank you family of Hartford designs now of the collective circle creative circle collective, just to make sure I get the CCC in Gainesville Community College as opposed to DCC creative

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circle collective, no creative circle. koat.com.

Nestor J. Aparicio  54:05

Chris Emery is here and I hear it says, I got the rock and roll and he is here. And a live from Edgemere. He had a shift this week for June teeth on Wednesday over at the Bay, the only other station I listened to and I mean that he knows that. So well. We’re gonna have Chris here, Chris, some isn’t from around here. And I didn’t even know that until I knew him 30 years. So we’re going to talk about rock and roll Los Angeles. We’re going to talk about how many cool rock stars he got to meet and they all died before I got to meet him. Because Chris is one of my favorite dudes. And he also gave me Springsteen tickets back on the Broadway tour a couple years ago. And I’m indebted to that. So Chris Emery is gonna be your my very own Luke Jones is gonna be here in anticipation. Yankees, you know who’s gonna fight today? You know? I don’t want it. Yeah, well, that’s why you’re my web developer. I am Nestor. We’re live your cost is it’s all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery. Go rush seven double Did you win? You haven’t scratched and scratched it. Let

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me get a quarter. All right,

Nestor J. Aparicio  55:04

let me know if you win in the next segment. If you win 10 grand I’m gonna buy me some moisture or something like that. We’re back for more work costs. We are Baltimore positive.com. Stay with us. We’re having fun. You’re building new websites and trying to give away free lottery tickets.