Putting the Examination on the MLB media world and future

Our longtime friend and television executive Jim Williams returns to examine the evolving and quickly changing MLB media model as MASN disintegrates and 10 teams were searching for local ways to distribute 162 baseball games in each market. Here, Nestor gets a professional MLB primer on money, networks and our future of watching the games from outside the stadium.

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Arrange a follow-up meeting with Jim Williams to plan how to move forward with their collaboration.

Media Examiner Jim Williams on Media and Sports

• Nestor Aparicio introduces the show, mentioning upcoming events and political candidates.
• Nestor introduces Jim Williams, a long-time television executive and media critic.
• Jim Williams shares a story about receiving the “dreaded glitch award” from Rudy Martz.
• Nestor and Jim discuss the evolution of media presentation and criticism.

Challenges in Modern Media Presentation

• Nestor mentions his article criticizing the Orioles’ future and the state of MLB media.
• Jim explains the issues with local broadcasts and the impact of FanDuel’s bankruptcy.
• MLB TV is now managed by ESPN, and local broadcasts are homogenized.
• Jim describes the improvements in local broadcasts, including more cameras and graphics.

Impact of Streaming Services on Baseball Viewing

• Jim discusses the impact of streaming services like Apple TV and Netflix on baseball viewing.
• Nestor shares a personal anecdote about watching a game in Toronto and the challenges of finding it on TV.
• Jim explains the hybrid model of cable and streaming deals for MLB games.
• The conversation touches on the potential for Amazon and Apple to get involved in future deals.

Future of MLB Media Rights and Revenue

• Jim predicts that the 2027 media rights deal will be significant, with Amazon and Apple potentially involved.
• Nestor and Jim discuss the challenges of finding games on different platforms.
• Jim explains the importance of over-the-air broadcast partners for MLB.
• The conversation highlights the need for a hybrid model to ensure fans can watch games.

Historical Context of Media Rights and Strikes

• Jim shares his experience with the 1994 MLB strike and its impact on the sport.
• Nestor and Jim discuss the potential for a labor strike in the future.
• Jim recalls his interactions with Gene Orza and the players’ union during the 1994 strike.
• The conversation touches on the long-term effects of the 1994 strike on MLB.

The Role of Radio in Modern Media Consumption

• Jim mentions his return to listening to baseball on radio.
• Nestor and Jim discuss the appeal of radio broadcasts, especially for long-time fans.
• Jim shares his admiration for John Miller, a well-known baseball broadcaster.
• The conversation ends with Nestor expressing his appreciation for Jim’s insights and expertise.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

MLB media rights, streaming platforms, local broadcasts, FanDuel bankruptcy, MLB TV, ESPN deal, Apple TV, Amazon involvement, labor issues, regional sports networks, hybrid model, fan engagement, broadcast consolidation, sports media, future of baseball.

SPEAKERS

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Nestor Aparicio, Jim Williams

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home. We are W, N, S T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive making it happen on the Maryland crab cake tour. We’re going to be getting back after this week and into May. We are at faidley’s on Friday at Lexington market. On the 16th, we’ll be back at Costas and Timonium, 23rd at Koco’s in lauraville, and then on the first of May, back to Pete’s John’s in Essex, having a lot of political candidates, with the election coming up on June 23 as well as sports. And of course, friends and family things that are going on, including walk a mile in their shoes over GBMC on the 17th. And so we got a we got a big calendar ahead this guy. Every time I drive by Cross Keys, I see all the new buildings going up there. This guy’s been a Baltimorean from way back at one point the writing for the examiner as the media examiner over two decades ago. Now we welcome our defending champion of all things media and insider trading on the media golf masters knowing what goes on behind all the scenes. And if you’re watching, you see the control room. Jim Williams, a long time television executive, and now dole out a little criticism from time and again about how media is done and how it used to be. You got your little Rudy Martz kicks in sometimes, right?

Jim Williams  01:17

Rudy, actually, is the reason I got into that, into the writing aspect.

Nestor Aparicio  01:23

You’ve been in as many control rooms as you you know the right way that you want presentations to happen. And I think you’re very fairly critical of the way modern media is presented and how games are presented. You had

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Jim Williams  01:37

not to get off topic for just a second. He gave me the dreaded glitch award. And if you remember back in the you know, Rudy’s column walls came out on Monday, and I got the dreaded glitch award because I was directing Alabama against Tennessee in Knoxville, and our handheld cameraman was backing up to take the, you know, the usual bump out cheerleader shot right, and he tripped. And you know, you saw the sky for about two and a half seconds. God forbid, we were worried about the camera man and not switching off the camera. So Rudy said, you know, I don’t know what they were doing, but you know, we got five seconds of sky. And you know, in the broadcast, I’m thinking, hell, you know, Rudy, have you ever done this? You know, this is like an orchestra so well, he was the most red

Nestor Aparicio  02:29

and not really a nasty critic. And sort of, you know, yeah, kind of way. I mean, he was there, yeah, but he gave a real recap of the weekend, of who was doing a good job, and he pointed out that you you called a great game over the weekend. It meant something for sure, sure.

Jim Williams  02:46

And, you know, it’s and he’s been a friend for a long time. So it was just one of those things where I basically said, and when people talk to me about becoming, you know, writing stuff, I said, Look, I’m not going to be a critic. I’m just going to show you what they do right and what can go wrong. So that’s the way it

Nestor Aparicio  03:05

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is, and what things do go wrong. You know, it varies throughout all of this, especially live television. You know, I I reached to you, and I’m in front of Camden Yards, and I’ve written a rather pointed take to Miss Katie Griggs about the Orioles in their future. But really, you know, when I gather the smartest people I know about baseball, and you’re a young, old timer like me, to remember what back when baseball really mattered a lot in regard to television rights and what’s going on for what has really become a hyper local effort across major league baseball and individual markets, that people here love the Orioles, but they don’t know anything about the Nationals and the massing thing 20 years into it, for all the disgrace it was in the money grab and the Angelos family and Mr. Angelos and Sons network. And you know, what side was Johnny holiday and rain night, and which side was going to be Jim Palmer and Tom Davis, just in a general sense that I don’t get the feeling, and this isn’t even for Katie Griggs or for Rubenstein or Eric Getty. I don’t know that baseball knows what they’re doing with their media, other than selling off a piece to Apple and selling off a piece to Amazon and whatnot, that they through this labor issue that’s about to happen. Have to get their big boy pants on, whether it’s NBC, TBS, ESPN, who and Major League Baseball, whatever they’re going to do to present their games, because they’ve had a real atrophy here, Jimmy and you know that, and 10 markets not being able to get their games on in local markets. And you know, I think Captain 20s going to be broadcast to their games in DC for the next couple of weeks. The nats have 10 games on TV like I I don’t know what their plan is, and I haven’t met anybody, including Manfred or including any of the media people and Mari brown on who writes for Forbes like you do, and Barry bloom and all of these people that really know sports media as it used to be, like you and I did. I don’t know where this is going, Jim, and that’s why I wanted to talk to you. To say, like, what are they doing in Major League Baseball? Forget Katie and what the Orioles are doing the grand plan of how we’re going to watch baseball five or 10 years from now. I don’t know that I’ve met anybody that can explain that

Jim Williams  05:11

to me. Well, let me try to do my best. Okay, on a local level, just for the moment, they’ve taken on 14 teams that that had issues with the FanDuel. Okay, FanDuel was the sponsor of the regional sports networks, 14 of them that is going bankrupt. This again, I should say bankrupt in at the end of the basketball and hockey season. So baseball was presented with, what are we going to do? We’re going to have all these franchises that don’t have local broadcasts. So they went out and they started MLB TV. MLB TV was purchased by ESPN, and the league is running the stations, okay? I’m sorry, the local TV rights, nats TV, you know, is one of 13 others, right? And all the production is done by Major League Baseball. The broadcast, if you look at it, it looks like a it looks like a network broadcast it for the nationals. Just to now, I use that for the experience, for the local aspect of it, the nationals are now on cable, satellite and now direct to consumer from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to Charlotte, North Carolina. Okay, if you watch a nationals broadcast, you can tell the difference of what it looked like on mass and and now what it looks like on MLB TV. That’s not an indictment of mass, and it’s just a fact. It’s, they’re homogenized.

Nestor Aparicio  07:06

It’s a much better product. It is okay, yeah, I haven’t watched so, I mean, and it used to come to me because I put mass in one or two on on the wrong night, and the nationals are playing the Mets or something. I’m like, you know? I mean, literally, this is what every Orioles fan is exactly.

Jim Williams  07:22

Yeah, I, I went through the same thing. It’s like, well, I didn’t, you know, I watch either one, but, excuse me, but at the end of the day, I didn’t know whether they were massive one or massive two. Anyway, back to this. What they’ve done is they have spent a lot of money on local television and making it look like a network. There’s more cameras, there’s more graphics, there’s more I’ll give you. For instance, they have, you’re not allowed in DC to have a drone. So they put together. They put what they call a rail cam, real cam. For those of you don’t know, it is basically a camera that runs from a little bit behind first base. It can go all the way around the the bowl.

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Nestor Aparicio  08:13

It’s on a wire, though,

Jim Williams  08:15

correct it’s on, it’s like the train tracks. When your kids sure, okay, it’s on that like a track, and it moves all the way around to the other side to just behind third base. Just gives a really interesting view of the game as it’s going on. They have 15 cameras, which is about six cameras more than they did in Madison. They have graphics that are coming out of Secaucus New Jersey, alright, which are all very clear. Everybody has stat cast. Everybody has all of the bells and whistles and tools. Well, I

Nestor Aparicio  08:55

mean, act the strike zone is the most important thing going on now, right? Like when you have Freddie pottek up, or, you know, one of my Venezuelan brothers, a place for the Astros. You got a five foot one guy up, and then you got Aaron judge. The strike zone is different, right? It’s all measurable. I mean, yeah. I mean, that’s the center point of what’s made baseball better this year is this challenge system

Jim Williams  09:15

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is amazing, right? So sorry, that’s our local situation. The National deal is they took a look at the $76.5 billion deal the NBA got, I consider, and tell you that ain’t gonna happen. They’re not gonna get close. So what does that mean? That means that to get to a number that they want. Major League Baseball is willing to move a lot of I mean, I got a lot of games, a lot of inventory, okay? We know it’s 162 games, right? Well, times that by 30, and that’s what you got. So what do we do? Well, you sell to anybody who’s interested. Stick. ESPN got out of the deal recently. You may remember 2027 they had the option. I’m sorry, 2024 through. 2027 that little window they had the option to to leave. They did

Nestor Aparicio  10:20

that a year ago, right? That they announced that

Jim Williams  10:23

really, yeah. And so this is the first year NBC picked it back up. And so they picked up the ESPN package. Netflix picked up three different events, opening night, which used to be ESPN deal, the Home Run Derby and a game, meaning a game during the season, which is a special game this year, it’s the Field of Dreams game. So they got that enter back. ESPN, as I just said, mlbt.tv, NES, now owned by ESPN, so they handle all the clearances which and all of that, plus they gave, obviously give, given close to $500 million to the league for a three year package. They will be allowed because now they have access to all of these teams, these 15 teams, to take those games and and offer at least 30 to 35 of those games to ESPN plus or the ESPN app. Okay, not on ESPN that we know on cable. It’s got to be a streaming desk direct to consumer type situation. So in 2028 everything is up for grabs. The New Deal, you can look for Amazon to be involved. Apple’s already involved. They get the Friday night games. You’ve got NBC is going to continue to do what they’re doing. You’ve got Fox. They’re not going to change. They’re going to still beat it. So what it’s going to be is, where do we find the games that we want? Because baseball will make money off this too. So what’s going to happen is the fans going to have to be more. You may end up paying more to watch your team, which is why the direct and consumer option might just be the best thing, if that’s the way you want to go. So if you thought you were had trouble when you went to Madison, right to find out where the Orioles were playing,

Nestor Aparicio  12:35

when I’m told the story, Jim, last year, I went to Toronto for opening day last year for the Orioles, the second game was the next day. They didn’t have the off day. And Luke and I were in downtown Toronto, and he went to the game because he had a credential. I paid to get in an opening day, and I wasn’t going to pay for the second game to get the Getty Lee had or whatever they were giving away that night. And I went to a bar. I went to the keg, which is, you know, very Canadian, and I had some sliders in a Cabernet. The game wasn’t on TV because it was on Apple TV. And I’m thinking it’s the second game of the year. I’m in Toronto. They wound up going to the World Series and damn near winning it. No one would have said that, but the game wasn’t on television in Toronto, anywhere in any sports bar, anywhere in Toronto. And I’m thinking to myself, This is not good business for Canada, for baseball, for Major League Baseball, for the Blue Jays, for the Orioles, for anybody. And I don’t know how it’s good TV. Good for Apple to have it. When people aren’t going to give them 1495 or whatever, the the breadcrumb is to get involved, they’re just going to say, I’ll watch the game Saturday, which is what I did. So I I don’t know who they think their customer is, and I do see the mass and doing the $99 thing or whatever, and I’m not sure the first night I’m going to get screwed. Now, maybe it’s just Friday. I don’t know that the game’s not going to be on, or I’m not going to have access to the game, because when that stuff happens, and I know the Amazon Thursday night football packages become a little bit of that thing where it’s like, who’s playing who, and it’s Thursday night football, and do I need to put my code in and, like, what do I need to do to get the games? It’s wearing me out, and I’m too young to be worn out by this.

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Jim Williams  14:07

No, it’s a challenge. The reason you didn’t get Apple TV gets to see your game in Toronto is that Apple TV hasn’t got a deal with satellite companies but service bars, that’s the key to anything with regards if you’re streamer or anybody who has supports on television, right? So what we’re going to see, we’re also seeing a hybrid. You know, you’re talking about 10 games the Nationals having 10 games on local TV. I think it’s on Fox five down there anyway. Major League Baseball wants these over the air broadcast partners locally. I don’t if you remember, well, I’m sure you do. I think it was what, five, six years ago, maybe a little bit prior, what, prior to covid, that Madison used to. Do a deal with channel 13 here in town, sure where they’d have 30 games on local broadcast TV for the fans. Major baseball wants that back. They also, because of regaining the rights the local the team’s local rights, it allows you to, if you’re, let’s say you’re a subscriber to MLB TV, the whole package, like you, you know, you know, you no longer have that blackout issue. You can watch your game if you’re in Philadelphia.

Nestor Aparicio  15:35

Luke really lived this being in Pennsylvania, yeah, with the Philadelphia and Baltimore issues and problems in regard to some games not being available where he was, and even if you bought the Major League Baseball thing, they would block you and say, but you’re you’re not. You didn’t

Jim Williams  15:50

subscribe to Madison, right? That’s the that was just the problem. There was a regional sports network from blocking that well, since FanDuel, you know, cratered and the league got the rights back. They now have, they don’t have that blackout issue, at least for that many teams. And I believe that the Orioles and some of the others, Yankees, Red Sox, have relented on that. They’ve given the opportunity for people to watch it on, on that package. So what’s going to happen? Baseball needs to get money. There’s going to be that. There’s a very good chance there’s like, a beat baseball in 2027, and which is its own, yeah, let’s still go down.

Nestor Aparicio  16:39

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There’s nothing good that’s going to happen in this labor thing that they’re I mean, you remember 94 right? I mean nothing that. I mean I was on the air. I’ve been on the air 35 years. It’s the fifth time around for me. Angelos came in and saved the day with ceiling 25 years ago. Listen, I can’t fathom what Katie Griggs and Eric Getty and Rubenstein, because I know they’re billionaires. They bought the team, they weren’t thinking about labor war any more than Angelos was when he signed up on the player side 2032, years ago now. So I mean, I’m old enough to red Lords of the Realm. I I can’t imagine that they’re going to do this death dirge, but they’re going to try to break the union, because these guys don’t know better, and they think the kids that the scherzers and the verlanders and the Bryce Harper’s are just going to roll over and they’re Governor Anderson’s. I don’t think that’s going to be the case, never been the case in my lifetime, that these baseball players are going to give in because their agents

Jim Williams  17:29

are too shrewd. Well, I would say at the time that 94 strike came out, I was working with Tribune and doing a show called power brokers, where we had, you know, politicians and sports guys having lunch together with us. I talked to Don fear at the time, was the head of the players union and and I’m trying to remember who was in charge, and it doesn’t matter,

Nestor Aparicio  17:56

Gene orza,

Jim Williams  17:58

Gene orza, right? Gene orza, so, Gene, so we sat down in different rooms, and I interviewed both of them. And this was, this was on opening the night before opening day, 1994 at Camden Yards. And anyway, the situation was, both of them said, we’re not moving. And so I said to Orsa, you mean I’m just going to ask you this, do you mean you will tank the season if this doesn’t work on August 10? Yeah. And he said, Absolutely. And they did. And I said, Well, I’ve heard that before. He goes, No, no, this time’s gonna happen. And it did. And an ironic little sidebar to this is, I attended the in New York. I attended the trial. It was more of a mediation. So to speak,

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Nestor Aparicio  18:54

Sonia Sotomayor,

Jim Williams  18:55

my ear was the that was one of her last cases before she became a Supreme Court justice was settling this, and it settled in like, four days over that period of time, in March of 95 but it did, I’ll tell you. It cost the Expos a baseball team because they had those stadium done deal all right there, and it didn’t. And when it came back, it wasn’t there. Well, it’s been 3032,

Nestor Aparicio  19:23

years, and you and I still feel it, and I think the sport feels it in certain ways. And it, you know, certainly changed the complexion of the Orioles with Angelos. And, you know, they were never really relevant again after 97 for real. Anyway, a long, long time ago. Jim Williams is our guest. He is the media examiner of all things Media Examiner. He’s right here in Baltimore, Maryland, and honk the horn when you go by Cross Keys over there. Um, I would just say this for where you said, do they know what they’re doing major league baseball?

Jim Williams  19:56

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You mean from a business standpoint, yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  19:59

I mean, I. Haven’t Anybody been able to really explain how this works to me and where the revenue is really coming from. They can all talk about the sponsors and that whatever the new cable TV and the new regional distribution models would be, but what it actually costs fans and where the bill comes to be a subscriber to any of this stuff, and how it actually works a modern way, not to mention what they’re going to try to do with the land and the stadium and the battery and, you know, extra money that they’re going to try to squeeze for these rep for these franchises, but I don’t sense that anybody has a real grip on what the model really

Jim Williams  20:32

looks like. I think that the model is going to be a hybrid cable and streaming deal, okay? And that little bit of over the air broadcast, which, you know, what is, it’ll be NBC, you’ll have the and fox will probably have the packages, because Warner discovery, which is Turner Sports, you know, is very frugal at this point, to be honest. This so is Disney and ESPN. They got to be very careful, because regional cable, which for many years was the life blood of of sports in from across

Nestor Aparicio  21:09

the board, and they thought it was forever, and it wasn’t.

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Jim Williams  21:12

And I was part of building that crap,

Nestor Aparicio  21:14

so part of a utility that went away,

Jim Williams  21:16

kind of, sort of, I, you know you could, and Nestor, you’ve seen this happen. I mean, I was in the room. We signed, this is what this is, 1988 Pat Williams got rest his soul. We were sitting in his office in Orlando, and we’re trying. We had to get a deal done. We needed, you know, the regional sports network I was with at the time, needed the Orlando Magic, and because the Miami Heat had already signed with somebody or the sunshine networker, right? Sunshine network, and so they had

Nestor Aparicio  21:50

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good wrestling on that channel with Gordon soli, yeah.

Jim Williams  21:53

Well, Gordon, I went to high school, is done. So, Eric, Eric’s good. I’m a young, old timer, Jim, there you go. Hey, dusty rose in the game. So anyway, we paid them at that time, $7 million for their rights. Now, $7 million today. You know, ain’t much when it comes to broadcasting. When we got on the plane to go back to Houston. Jack Jackson. Wait How long do you think it’s going to take the rockets, the you know, the the the rockets, the the Spurs and Dallas, the Mavericks to call us and say, you just put more money into them, into a team that hasn’t balanced the basketball then you have to the three of us, so they’re going to be back in the negotiating table. So the John Skipper at ESPN and others overpaid for everything because they wanted it, and it came back to haunt them,

Nestor Aparicio  22:59

and we’ll figure out how to pay for

Jim Williams  23:00

it later, right? Yeah, literally, you know. And so where’s Baseball? Baseball is in that, that quasi zone of, okay, we can get our money. We say, well, they’ll get a nice chunk of change, but it’s going to be spread across so many platforms that it’s going to be more difficult. I mean, football is one thing. It’s easy, right? I mean, you’ve got 18 games, 18 weeks in a season, so you’ve got that’s easy to dole out when you start getting into this NBA, NHL, by the way, that’s the other thing comes next, because when FanDuel dies and it will then what happens to the NBA teams? What happened to the NHL teams? You know, all of that situation

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Nestor Aparicio  23:44

is coming up. Well, it’s also how many real eyeballs are on it, instead of the puja that Arbitron used to arbitrarily make up things, and like they did on radio, like this is $99 massing deal. I really wonder how many people are buying that? How many 10s of 1000s, not hundreds of 1000s, that they have, and they find out that their pool of people who are willing to want all the games and buy the package and really be fans, really watch 140 or 150 games a year is far shorter than the gene pool of people that won 18 football games well.

Jim Williams  24:18

And there’s, I keep hearing this all the time from people saying, well, Amazon or Apple or, you know, buy that stuff. Well, look, I I’ve Eddie Q at Apple, John pay at prime, and the Netflix people, they don’t want tonnage. They don’t want all this. I mean, Apple jumped into the MLS deal and found out that, you know, doing 900 soccer games a year is kind of a tough a tough road to hoe, and remember too that this, we’ll talk a little back to Netflix and Amazon and Apple. This is not their core business.

Nestor Aparicio  25:01

Well, it’s also appointment viewing that like I can, I can skip a Friday night Orioles game if they’re going to make it a pain in the ass for me to have it. And more than that, there’s another one the next night, another one the next night. Or, you know, however, that would be and really keeping eyeballs in the seventh inning of a game for a sponsor, right? The game’s nine to two, or when the Orioles, in the White Sox dick around and the day before, decide, well, it’s gonna be a little chilly at seven, let’s play the game at two, and just decide to move the game. Like, these are airplanes they take. Nobody watches a game on tape delay. Nobody watches yesterday’s game tomorrow. Like it just doesn’t happen. So it’s, it’s really live inventory. It’s a moving airplane. You either get in and watch the movie, or you don’t, or you can’t find it. Well, you don’t have your password to find

Jim Williams  25:45

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the only way this is going to work is if and there will be we just saw it. We just saw the NCAA basketball tournament, right the and I wrote extensive stuff on that, coverage of it, the way it worked. Turner and CBS worked together in concert. Everything was done with them. They cross promoted with each other. They made certain that they use the same talent together. Okay, we’re going to have to see consolidation. We’re going to have to see networks work together for this thing to work, because otherwise it will never work. And so who’s, you know, Major League Baseball get the money. They will get the money. But that being said, will they lose fans? And if I have to spend, you know, $300 just to watch sports. Will I pay it? I think in that I always say about Luke’s

Nestor Aparicio  26:47

Mom, I’m like, when your mom decides that she that the Orioles are charging too much because they’re not that important to her, and you have to really pull the credit card out. That’s why I thought the $99 thing this year was interesting, because I thought, well, a lot of people will do that, but I don’t know how many, a lot is, and that’s for Katie Griggs and Don Roback and Roback and those folks to try to figure out here locally. Jim Williams, I have to run. You know, I love you. You know, I owe you a coffee over Cross Keys, but it’s always I follow along to all the stuff you’re doing. I saw you all over the Masters, all over the NCAA, and I’m like, Man, I got to talk baseball with you, because it’s just so you mentioned the 94 strike. We didn’t have the Ravens here. Then, you know, Joe Smith was about to play for the Terps. But like they it was a real going concern, and I don’t know, come next March or April if they’re not playing baseball, that people just won’t go to lacrosse or won’t figure out the next thing they’re going to worry about climbing a different mountain than watching the Orioles play next year, right? I just think they baseball needs to be real careful here.

Jim Williams  27:38

You know, they went one last parting thing here, I’ve I’m back on radio. I’m back on listening to baseball on radio, which is what I grew up with. And I think that that’s going to be what they’re going to end up doing, is driving people to the point where, you know what I can it’s on my phone. I can listen to it on my phone. I can watch a movie as John

Nestor Aparicio  28:01

Miller comes to town this weekend, it tells you how great a broadcast can be, right?

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Jim Williams  28:04

Like, oh god, yeah, I’m gonna Luke doesn’t

Nestor Aparicio  28:07

even like the Giants, but admits that some nights he just listens to them because he likes the sound of John Miller’s voice. He said

Jim Williams  28:12

that John is John. And I had the same agent for many years. John’s a great guy and a wonderful broadcaster, and it gave me a chance

Nestor Aparicio  28:19

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to throw him a note this week and invite him a note this week and invite him for a crab cake that he can’t have because he’s too popular. Said his wife’s got the sweet this weekend. He said that if he could, he could take the weekend off and just entertain people in Baltimore instead of actually calling the Giants game. So yeah, it was great to catch up with him. It’s always great to catch up with you. I’m sorry, our windows a little short on this one. Okay, we’ll get together, and the next time we get together, we’ll, we’ll try to figure something out,

Jim Williams  28:41

a crap to do our best. All right.

Nestor Aparicio  28:43

Jim Williams is my man. He is a longtime Media Examiner, insider television voice as well as now podcasting, radio casting. And you can find him anywhere that the good internet serves. He was the first guy to tell me about FUBU all those years ago, too. I am Nestor. We are W N, S T am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, always hanging out with the smart kids and trying to get smarter. We’re Baltimore positive. Stay with us.