Shaking the history of Milkshake and legend of Beyond Words and the New Wave 80s

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The Maryland Crab Cake Tour celebrated its final stop of the year under the Christmas lights of Costas Inn with old friends telling music tales. Your kids might know Milkshake but Nestor knew them as a kid music critic in the 1980s as Beyond Words and went back to the New Wave 80s with Lisa, George and Mikel in his dreams for his 31st Anniversary celebration.


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Mikel Gehl, Lisa Mathews, George Kondylas, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:00

What about wn? S, T Towson, Baltimore and Baltimore positive. I’m going to lose control this segment I’m sure it will tell brought to you by the Maryland lottery. We are celebrating the holidays were cost the same. We’re not in front of the big cost assign. So I wore the cost to shirt here today for the 31st anniversary of this radio show. As of Tuesday and the 31 years, two days I made it it’ll be our 25th anniversary wn st a little later on. In August of next year we’ll be celebrating that the battle of lottery comes along with us the holiday cast drop Roz dropped these off last week to fade these I’m giving them away all day here Costas we’re gonna have Gina shock from the Go goes by a little later on all of it brought to you by our friends at Goodwill Industries. Give to them if you’re cleaning out your places make sure shopping there as well at Dan Rodricks last week on the program say he’s doing all secondhand buying at places like Goodwill to support the environment as well and our friends at window nation. They support the environment 866 90 nation you buy two and you get two free and 0% financing. That’s an even better deal than the deal that I had. Peter St. crabcakes out we aren’t Costas and he’s delicious. Right this is the crab cake tour. So the crab cake tour has crab cakes involve legitimate crab cakes, but it also today has rockstars if you want some of that go ahead have I been knowing Lisa Matthews here George can do this Michael gal for many many many moons you guys knew me I was a little boy right? I mean I literally I was 1516 years old backstage at the marble bar at the Galaxy whatever was upstairs and Joyce says to you guys this guy writes it to paper man he’s gets syndicated like it you can get you so beyond words and weird Hindy your beautiful beyond words was one of my my pet bands because I loved you guys and I love joy.

Lisa Mathews  01:47

We did have a giraffe in the band. What you have we had a giraffe and a dog? You said putting out a dog. Get it?

Nestor Aparicio  01:55

Oh, that sounds like the beach boy. Oh yeah. The milkshake you would admit it and we’ll love right you but George you began this journey with Joyce last segment talking about beyond words as being like the motels because you had a beautiful female singer sax player. You were in that you weren’t a hammer Jack’s band although you did play hammer jacks, right. Give me the story from and we’ll pick Gina up when she gets here about where scratch and sniff ended. And she went on a jalopy out to LA but when did this thing start because I literally don’t even know this story.

George Kondylas  02:30

This started at 81 So Miko, Miko and I and a bass player and then bass player laughs and Miko and I continued, and we decided we needed a singer we lost a singer had vocal nodules, couldn’t find a singer looked everywhere in Baltimore looked everywhere in Washington.

Nestor Aparicio  02:49

Atlanta Shore was taken right at that point, right. She was right.

George Kondylas  02:53

She was 11. So so at that point, honestly, I put an ad in The Village Voice in New York. And the main thing I would get is what area code is this Baltimore click. Okay, that did not work. Lisa picked up and said, Well, what is this? And I said Baltimore need a singer. And she said, Well, I don’t really know I’m in New York. Can you send me a tape and I’ll send you a tape. So the story is neither tape arrived. I had everything in a spiral notebook. I had a bunch of names people that I called. I eventually on a whim one day just said, You know what, let me just call again and see, and I called Lisa, she picked up and it was Kismet because she said, Oh yeah, well, I never got your tape. And I said, Oh, yeah, I never got your tape. She said, I’m coming down to gaithersburg to see my parents this weekend that we had a band with a female singer. We rehearsed with a female singer from two to four and at 430. Lisa walked in and that was it was it? We started right with her and never stopped. That’s why you remember?

Lisa Mathews  03:53

Kind of sorta No, all my thinking was, Oh, wow. 301 Or was it three in one area? Sure. Yeah. And I said I could visit mommy. It was just gonna be a weekend

Nestor Aparicio  04:08

that you grew up in in the DC area then or

Lisa Mathews  04:11

No, no, I grew up in New York. I’m a Queens girl Bayside queens.

Nestor Aparicio  04:15

I don’t know that at all about now, you know, I know that. No, no, you’re talking i

Lisa Mathews  04:19

i I lived in Greenwich Village had a little rent control apartment. Never heard of now, you know, but had my own rehearsal space in the music building on 13th Street. It was called the music building because there were all these rehearsal spaces and studios. And I remember mine was called Safe sound on the sixth floor. And the Ramones rehearsed in the basement at Planet sound. And it used to be loud. I could hear that there were so loud you know, I always knew when the Ramones were downstairs rehearsing but yeah, yeah, it was great. I love New York. But then George and Michael,

George Kondylas  05:02

they came calling.

Lisa Mathews  05:04

I don’t know what it was your wife, right? We, we, we were, we were rehearsing and writing songs and playing out. And then I said, I can’t keep I can’t do this anymore. And, and, and I left when, you know, I just like I can’t keep going back and forth from New York to Baltimore and, and then I realized shortly that I can’t not do it. I just kept hearing the music and in my head, you know, I just loved it remained the same all those great songs. And so I just left I left everything I had in New York. I just came to Baltimore. And that was it. So that’s how I remember it.

Nestor Aparicio  05:43

Wow. So What year was this? 8182 Where are we at? 484. A little later than okay. So I’d already known Joyce at that point. You’re trying to piece on Mike, where do you come into this and it’s so good to see you. And I can’t wait about milkshake and all that. But you got your Oreo gear, you patronizing me? Is that what you’re doing?

Mikel Gehl  06:04

365 I love the Ravens but I wear my Oreo gear you

Nestor Aparicio  06:08

are you are true orange and black, like totally million percent. And

Mikel Gehl  06:13

we were talking earlier, like you say 84. But I remember I distinctly remember that in 83 when the Orioles were in the World Series we were doing I think we were doing a rehearsal with you. We did a long rehearsal. I think it’d be Sunday. Maybe that was when you were commuting back to New York because we did it on a Sunday. We went late. You left I came home and watch that last game of the World Series. And then we won. Of course, I was living in Charles village. So I just walked over Memorial Stadium. We all waited for the buses to come back and just walk down 33rd Street, right? Yeah, yeah. And we were there when the Orioles got back after they beat the Philly. So I remember that being part of your history here. So it must be at through

Nestor Aparicio  06:51

the connections of music and friendships and we hear about bands breaking up and we’ll have to go goes tell that story a little later on. But the different genres have an ad in The Village Voice during that period of time where MTV was happening, right? Money For Nothing chicks for free, right? Like, I knew lots of people that wanted to be rock stars. Obviously. I knew John when he was a kid doing the hair hairspray and the metal thing and it was a different gig. You both Now have you mentioned the Ramones. I know scratch and sniff had some punk rock sensibilities. I’ve spent some time with the Go Go’s documentary to realize where those young ladies came from in the LA sort of punk scene, talking about CBGBs or whatever. Something about punk and new wave at that time. I guess Blondie and Debbie Harry would be in the middle of that right? Like how do you get from tu tu tu tu, tu tu tu, you know, Sex Pistols to the motels or beyond words or the cars or what MTV became, but all of this was rooted in really loud, punk rock aggressive, anti social behavior.

George Kondylas  08:00

Right, somewhat. Yeah. And then I think when people will sort of get into that they want to do maybe their version of it or their spin, and things start to take a different, you know, then you have grunge and then you have things start to slow down, things speed up, it gets more electronic, less electronic. The variations are endless. Well, electronic

Nestor Aparicio  08:17

wasn’t a bad thing in your era, right? I mean, that was an introductory part of rock music at that point, right.

Lisa Mathews  08:23

Yeah. And I think the new wave was very electronic, you know, the synthesizer was, was all Semmens drums to to to write, you know, and human Lee and it was more I, it’s, it’s really fun having spent 4040 plus years in music, and each decade was dedicated for me to one band, right. 80s was beyond words. 90s was love. Right? The 2000s and net to now is milkshake, right and each band is unique and, and reflected both the time I think that was going on what was going on during that decade. And for me personally, what was going on in my life, you know, who I was, and the 80s like beyond words. I remember I remember we changed that music started chanting as the as the ad as it got closer to the 90s

Nestor Aparicio  09:20

He changed music as well at that point, right? Yeah, I mean video and Peter gave you the sounds of the merging sounds right of new wave and rock, and even hard rock and the music

Mikel Gehl  09:31

business was changing. Like it used to be that they call it being an indie artist now and it has some cred but at the time, it just meant you didn’t get a major label. You didn’t have any money you play in a band. You said Yeah, you get a major label do you put out your own record and it used to be in those days it was you might as well throw a Frisbee with it you know, but But then as we first started they were starting to get distribution was better and then you can play it you know, you could get on college radio and you could write you know, you have a hidden and other you know, not a hit but you’d be played on college. Right, I want to know the town, you could go there and have people that knew your songs. And

Nestor Aparicio  10:04

college radio was big for us, you know, HFS of that era.

Lisa Mathews  10:08

Yeah. But at the same time, and I think you guys would agree, business wise, just as a music was very different 80s to 90s, you know, to now very different from the 90s and 80s. But the business beyond words was, you know, these records we first it, this is an embodiment, right? Yeah. It was, by the way made records back then. Right. The it’s come full circle. Now you’re making records again, right. But we did this ourselves. And but but it was, we were limited and how successful we would be in the 80s. Because to be in a band that was successful, you still needed a record contract, you need it to be on a record label. And we spent a lot of time trying to get a record deal. Really close

Nestor Aparicio  10:59

showcasing Yeah, going to New York, and New York was where it was gonna have to happen for you, right?

George Kondylas  11:04

Literally, yes. Where the industry is there in LA, and you get a much bigger chance of somebody coming to see you in New York, than to say, hey, we’re gonna play Gerards Will you come down? Yeah, right. Sure. So yeah, man, you know, we sat in people’s offices, Joyce, and I did and they were just sort of go, Well, you know, you haven’t really shown me the right incentive to play the record. So you read into that what you want.

Lisa Mathews  11:28

There you go. All right. But we like beyond words, we just don’t love beyond words. A whole

George Kondylas  11:34

folder full of rejection letters. Yeah. But

Lisa Mathews  11:37

the 90s it started changing. And then now it’s a DIY industry altogether, right? Who cares about a record company? Right? Really? Look at Justin Bieber, I don’t need one, YouTube and all.

Nestor Aparicio  11:51

Sports for 25 years, I’m 31. The last five or six years, I’ve tried to have more of these kinds of conversations. Because my life’s been about more than just sports in the same way your life’s been about more than sort of no new wave music that you wrote, 35 years ago, you guys want the milkshake thing and with love, right? And how this has happened that most people I know as kids in this area, have come in contact with with milkshake. And I don’t know that if I’m when I knew you back in the 80s, you’d say one day, we’re going to really form this incredible thing. But it’s going to service children and education and folk songs kind of sort of right, like modern folk music.

Lisa Mathews  12:31

You can’t predict right? I mean, you could, I don’t know, some people say, I’m going to be a lawyer when they’re 10. And they become lawyers. Right?

Nestor Aparicio  12:39

But Johnson is gonna be rock star. Look

Lisa Mathews  12:40

at that. That turned down. Yeah. That’s so funny. But um, but you know, for me in the 80s, beyond words, I was, I was in my 20s. Right hanging in clubs. And I was I was do, I would dance around barefoot on stage. And that was dangerous right there. But I felt immortal. You know, I felt young and immortal. And then in the 90s, I was in love. And that was more romantic music love, right. It was all about love in all its many dimensions. Right? And then it was the right Yeah, right. Yeah, it was and that was reflected for me then but, and then I had a baby. So all of a sudden, who cares about love anymore? I need to write songs for my baby. And

Mikel Gehl  13:28

my wife and my boyfriend had a child we we had a family. We had a child about the same time Lisa did. The timing was good. Once

Nestor Aparicio  13:36

the last time beyond words played together, as you guys would know it, was it in the 80s then

Lisa Mathews  13:41

no, 9292 it just kind of went into the 90s. And the music again, was really changing. We have this you know, I’ve been archiving, right? Well, I

Nestor Aparicio  13:52

I invited my bro heart today, right? So bro hearts at Dundalk, one of my brother. And he said I’ve been in touch with Lisa about archived like all of this using that you have made during the course of your life that you want to, I guess preserve present pain represent right literally,

Lisa Mathews  14:09

right. And it’s very gratifying seeing this vast catalogue of music. But it’s also like, I forgot my train of thought.

Nestor Aparicio  14:21

No, no, no, you’re talking about the notion of writing songs and how you’ve grown right? I mean, you can see who you were as a kid. Yeah, now you can see where you are now. Yeah,

Lisa Mathews  14:32

but back to the beyond words thing. Yes. I remember. I we found we were we were saving these two inch tapes digit. We have to digitize them right. Otherwise, that music would just go away which is fall away. Magnetic dusty. For a certain point, right after 3540

Nestor Aparicio  14:53


Lisa Mathews  14:54

just deteriorates. So we realized I’ve got to save them. We’ve saved the music and now we’re saving all these videos and I did not realize until George just dug up all these boxes how many things beyond words did video wise we will all over cable at the time that was a big thing right and did so many videos so we’re we’re starting we’ve got the beyond words YouTube channel now I set up a website so all the

Nestor Aparicio  15:23

job ready how to find all these

Lisa Mathews  15:24

young words And that will link you to a Bandcamp. And on this Bandcamp is all this music and some of it was never released. You know, we went down and worked with this producer who worked with

Mikel Gehl  15:39

the Allman Brothers Allman Brothers, we were at their studio, their rehearsal studio that’s

Lisa Mathews  15:44

done in Bradenton, Florida and we spent a couple of weeks recording the songs that were really more 90s music, don’t you think? And it’s really great stuff never ever, ever released never. Until now. Until now.

Nestor Aparicio  16:02

That’s kind of neat. I’m into that. Yeah. So I mean, as much as young people are pushing their music, there’s all this music that exists. That’s a huge part of your life. Yeah, that your kids aren’t even heard. Right, literally, right.

Lisa Mathews  16:14

Yeah, it’s true. And you know, there’s a market for 80s Music 90s Music, Stranger Things. It’s all ladies right? Bush phenomenon. Yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  16:24

Now have you guys ever gotten together in modern times just for fun and gone in a basement and played in my dreams or no, but last time we sang you my dreams just 30 years ago.

Mikel Gehl  16:33

I’ll play it on guitar and she’ll sing a line and then say okay, now what are we playing? I’ll do it and soundcheck is always

Nestor Aparicio  16:40

archived in that way in your mind. Do you not want to do it? It means something to me I know a lot to yell right

Lisa Mathews  16:46

now. This has been like a rebirth for me every respecting of this music because beyond words wrote a lot of great music again, so many things we didn’t release and I mean recordings on beta. You know, I’m like, didn’t went away Did we do something with this? It’s amazing. You’re getting

Nestor Aparicio  17:07

it off the tape here in 2022

Lisa Mathews  17:09

Yes, saving it and putting it on the beyond words. Bandcamp so people that like 80s music should go to the words You know and same thing with love right? saved all that music. Love right And do you

Nestor Aparicio  17:23

guys play some love right music from time to time or no? That’s shelved as well. Right?

Mikel Gehl  17:27

No, I play those songs all the time at home we will do them at soundcheck but we haven’t done a show yeah, no but like you say about relationships in being in a band with someone is it’s a relationship Yeah, unlike any other and there’s a love and that you know that you know when I saw Jordan I had to St George for a couple years and I just gave him the biggest hug and it’s just I’m glad you came out

Nestor Aparicio  17:49

well I can bring you guys together thank you for for making wonderful began and I’ll tell Gina this as well because Jean is gonna be coming in a little bit later part of this choice taught me choice taught John Joyce and I were friends John and I were together and I’m like you have choices number give me that and then let’s all go get Indian food. So before the plague mama three, four years ago, the six of us went out spent a bunch of money, drank a lot a lot had beer, laughed, sopped up with the naan bread do the whole deal. And it was that night that I realized he was in the band with Gina shock. And I’m like, I’ve been trying to get cine shock on my show for 15 years. She’s from Dundalk. Everybody tells me I don’t know her. I don’t know anybody that knows her. I’ve never seen her do anything in Baltimore. I’ve never been in a room whether or known I’ve been in a room with her. But I know she she grew up right over by crossing Black was everybody’s a legend urban legend. Like I didn’t know whether it was true or not. It’s true. You told me it was true. And I tabled it and then the plague happened and John Allen and I were strangely friends in real life route. Going to a concert one night we got we were in a car and I’m driving as usual and he’s passenger and participating. And we started talking like a shark. He’s like, Hey, you seen that documentary? To Coco’s. And like because we talked about this. I saw the Patti one, eagles one, but I haven’t seen that one. He’s like, dude, the minute she opens her mouth, she’s like, Baltimore. She’s like, he had never met her and I have never met her. So flash forward six weeks ago. I’m doing a show in Dundalk right down the road of drug city. And I woke up at six in the morning. And Donna Jean rumbly from 100.7 is my friend and she’s got pictures of her and Jean Jacques doing breakfast together and Cockeysville and I’m like, hello. Nobody called me nobody told me and by 930 Her manager is on the phone with me. She’s coming over to truck city. I text John I’m like dude, Gina shots coming to five hours to do a segment with me. You got to come over. John dropped everything in western Howard County, got the kids take came over sat down Jeanne to 21 minutes like a like a whirlwind. She came into the room and had to go and she’s coming back for Christmas. We’re doing this again. Today is the day A and putting all this Jon’s doing some travel his family and trying to put all in there’s going to be even better story when Gina gets here about this hard rock gig that’s coming up on the 28th that she’s doing. But you’re linked to Gina, can you just give me a genius? She’s not here yet. Tell some genius stories that you want to tell before she gets here. What do I need to know about Gina?

George Kondylas  20:19

You need to know about Gina let me think I had my cheat sheet. You guys knew that he had

Nestor Aparicio  20:23

been in a band with the Go Go’s drummer right. When you met him. Right?

Mikel Gehl  20:27

Well, I when he ran that when she left to LA, they needed he was actually playing guitar, right.

Nestor Aparicio  20:34

So sniff sniff real quickly.

George Kondylas  20:37

What was that Charles Freeman played bass. We went to high school together. First grade. So he was the bass player. I was the guitar player. We had a singer we needed a drummer. I don’t. I still can’t remember how exactly we met Gina. But we went over somebody introduced us and we went to her house on 45th street and went into the upstairs bedroom was the kind of house where they had a summer kitchen. They lived largely downstairs. It was a full basement but it had a kitchen and a living room. Full very Dundalk very upstairs with the bedrooms and there was very frilly curtains. I remember pink curtains and a big drum set and a big stereo system, the old headphones with the coiled wire and she would put them

Nestor Aparicio  21:20

to play the drums before now. She’s the first woman you’ve ever met. Okay, this is 1970.

George Kondylas  21:26

And she still plays with like baseball bats. And she can whack it. She’s in the pocket. She’s not you know, she’s not neil peart. But who is that she could play and she can still play. She was great.

Nestor Aparicio  21:40

So cool. So, so that’s you meeting her? Yep. And then she let me say, trucking goes

George Kondylas  21:46

away. While we said, you know, do you want to be in the band, and we were in the band and all the stuff happened. The thing that I think was maybe really helpful for her is that when we did covers, we did ino covers off of here come the warm jets, we would say we’re going to do some Eno and she was like, alright, well, let me hear it. And I’d say now, let me just play it for you. I don’t want you to play their stuff. Let’s make our version to sort of start to learn how to write. Yeah, because you’re gonna write your part. I’m not going to tell you what to play, you play. And she still remembers that. And she credits us credits us for that.

Nestor Aparicio  22:21

Beautiful stories here.

Mikel Gehl  22:23

The most amazing thing is that when Gina left that he was he was the drummer Charles was a bass player, he decided that he wanted to I’m sorry, I’m sorry. He was the guitar player. He then decided he wanted to be a drummer. So he switched from guitar to drums. And then they ran an ad in the Baltimore City paper that I responded to for guitars. So then, instead of replacing Jeanne, he just got behind the kit. And then they and then I answered the

Nestor Aparicio  22:46

better drummer. He was a better guitar player.

George Kondylas  22:48

I got to stop running these ads.

Nestor Aparicio  22:51

Well, that’s how you found the band. Right? Yeah, right. You were looking for a band you didn’t know was in Baltimore. Right? You responded to a I want to be honest, some

Lisa Mathews  23:01

voice that’s so while she

George Kondylas  23:05

she traded her car she worked at AAA up on Mount Royal Avenue. She had a month Carlo. And we were like, oh my god, I bought the car. I traded it to her dad for his pickup truck, loaded full of shit and went and took a friend and

Nestor Aparicio  23:19

so I maybe I should ask you this when he gets here. But I remember the first time I saw the Go Go’s was we got the beat. I saw the video right and this beautiful, it’s got this Poppy, you know can use. So I remember seeing the video for it. You were still in talking to me? Did she? Were you in touch with her at that point as a friend. She’s like, I’m in this band with these girls, and we’re playing the rocks and you’re like it and you’re about to start in the onwards.

George Kondylas  23:45

And she’s on the cover of Rolling Stone. Right? She’s opening for the stones she’s opening for the police and your head explodes because you think God she was just here? How did that happen?

Nestor Aparicio  23:55

So I guess it also gives you belief when you meet someone really talented from New York that’s willing to come down here and we’re really willing to be distributed all in to be all in it’s true. You had a North Star I mean, we can say beyond words. 30 didn’t make it in that way. But when you see I mean John last Johnny about this when John sees poison making it after they opened for him at the seagull. I would think it changes your Oh, I can we can do that. I can really do that. And that was real for you haven’t been you know, haven’t been in a band which

George Kondylas  24:28

it’s, it’s the work right? We worked constantly. We didn’t play out as much as maybe we could have we didn’t make money but we worked at it all the time. Yeah, worked at our craft and Gina said when she got to LA they were just they wanted to play they wanted the party and she was like that won’t work. And you see that in the documentary. We have got to get down to work and she’s got a career to prove it. That’s great. I got

Nestor Aparicio  24:49

the members of beyond works your love Ryan milkshake Michael gal in the in the corner, the left with the Oriole, the perfect Oreo logo I might add and memories of 1983 and it’s still holding out hope like Eddie Lauer over there that one day there will be a world championship trophy here in Costa Skiba Lisa Matthews of course milkshake beyond words and in love right and of course George can deal with who brought all of this together along with choice my high school art teacher as well as John Allen milkshake I want to certainly pay respect to what you’ve done and what you’re doing this winds up being the enduring some folks and they’ll be onwards they go out to listen certainly love right people my age came out so you guys play note but milkshake is has become this seminal eternal thing that I’m sure you have grown adults that come up and say they call you Miss Lisa or Mr. Mike or whatever that remember you from singing to them when they were a kid and maybe a great exposure for them to say I want to sing I want to play guitar I write songs right that is

Lisa Mathews  25:51

happening. Yes, yes. And you know what when those stories come by us, you know like Oh, my daughter’s now she’s singing because of you you know

Mikel Gehl  26:01

that’s over Oberlin Academy shake they got into music early and they never stopped Yeah. Louder.

Lisa Mathews  26:08

incredibly gratifying.

Nestor Aparicio  26:10

To set with here got to the music early never stop. Right.

Lisa Mathews  26:13

Yeah. And milkshake. You know, each band beyond words love right milkshake had its own success. You know? I mean, I remember playing the Ritz opening for men without hats. What? That was wicked fun. I mean. Yeah, right. And love riot. We played ourselves basking in the subway for the subway episode of Homicide Life in the streets. We played the Lilith fair. I mean, we won an award. We did the premium went in Japan. Yeah, we played the Preakness with the awards, went to Japan with love riot won an international competition. Amazing. And then milkshake was crazy. Grammy nominated you know on this wonderful success videos on PBS Kids and Nick Jr. and discovery genre. It’s

Nestor Aparicio  27:04

not obvious. No,

Lisa Mathews  27:06

no. But now the genre is very much changed and exploded so many bands doing it now. But what are

Nestor Aparicio  27:12

you doing now? Bring me up to speed. Because I would see you at the ballpark time to time. I see you guys pop up. We’re all Facebook connected in some way. But I mean, what music you guys have written is beautiful for any kid could come in here right now and you pick it up and it’s fresh to that child, literally. Right?

Lisa Mathews  27:28

Well, our audience keeps like recycling, you know, we get okay. Okay, so 910 You’re out, you’re out. Now you’re into something else a different kind of music. But the 123 says people are always having kids. Right. So that’s a regenerating our new young ladies to become Taylor

Nestor Aparicio  27:47

Swift Fans.

Lisa Mathews  27:48

It’s so funny. That’s true. That’s true.

Mikel Gehl  27:51

We love playing with the full band. But the nice thing about milkshake is we can break it down to a duo and go into libraries or classrooms where in schools does it dozens of times a year. So it actually became a job, you know, where you could count on some gigs. And that’s fun, you know, because we do enjoy playing as a duo as well.

Lisa Mathews  28:08

Yeah. But I don’t know. Let’s see what’s next. Yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  28:12

What’s next thing crabcakes about that? Cost. This is all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery talking to old rock and roll old bands, beyond words, one of my favorites from the 80s here, great members and an incredible connection to George and Jean Jacques from scratch and said, I got it. You know, I started I did a little research. I don’t research these shows usually. But I did a little bit of Go Go’s documentary stuff to go back to scratch and sniff stuff. I need to I need to experience that music because I want to hear what you were doing. Because I know the punk rock of that era, but I don’t know scratch and sniff music. Does it exist? Is it on YouTube is is there a place to get it?

George Kondylas  28:50

It exists but I really have to dive deep to find it.

Nestor Aparicio  28:54

Alright, well Jean is here. She probably got an on track or something today or cassette tapes or whatnot. All right, we got Rockaway and royalty and Hall of Famers here. And it’s all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery, the holiday cash drops, one for you. I feel like for you, one for you. For you everybody seen here please do not. And listen, this is really important for you milk shakers, okay. I want to tell this story as best I can tell it. So last year, a Maryland lottery sponsored and the Director of the Maryland lottery comes on John Martin. And he does a really serious segment last year right around this time. He’s like, I got to talk about something. I’m gonna think it’s a little weird, but it’s good. He said, so we get on the air and he’s like, alright, so these these, these are not stocking stuffers for people under the age of 1870. And he doesn’t suddenly like Okay, John, cool. You know, I’m having dinner with my wife you read at the Beaumont Kingsville. And I said I did the damn this thing I had John on today we’re talking about like, people giving kids lottery tickets and putting them in there. Right? And my wife’s like, oh, no, she says she tells me and this is in the ad. So it’s all it’s not only up and up but nobody can be prosecuted, not her parents, because they’re lawless. Her parents They gave the kids lottery tickets and she won 500 bucks. Her sister No no, no no. Didn’t tell mom or dad paraded around with money flashing money the neighbors saw it and said hey, Jackie and Dan, because they all they all speak like they’re from the habit, Dan from New Hampshire. Utah A is I think she won the lottery or something. And so this has changed so my wife’s telling his story I’m like, You’re the reason I need to do public service announcement so milkshake parents don’t give your kids lottery tickets All right, no, no, no I love you guys. Appreciate your mismatches Mike and George is gonna stay with us John Allen is going to come back up. Jean Jacques from the Go Go’s is going to be him is they say? We’re hanging on the side we’re done the awkward cost it’s all brought to you by friends of goodwill make sure you’re giving and buying during this holiday season. Recycle absolutely no friends of course. When donation 866 90 nation to buy two you get two free 0% financing better deal than I got. But you’ll save money on heating and air conditioning as well and your capital while there my cat loves it. She sits in the window loves it. All right. crabcakes for all my friends. Thanks so much rock and rollers. John Alex family’s here. It’s a mess down here worked on dog brought to you by the Maryland lottery goodwill and window nation. We’re back for more from cost. It’s my 31st anniversary celebration with friends and rockstars it’s all good back to more right after this.

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