What’s really happening in White Marsh?

Baltimore County Councilman David Marks returns to discuss his district’s challenges and triumphs at Massoni’s in Perry Hall on the Maryland Crab Cake Tour.

Perry Hall Community Overview and Introduction

• Nestor Aparicio introduces the show, mentioning the location at Missoni’s in Perry Hall and the sponsors, including the Maryland Lottery and GBMC.
• Nestor discusses the community growth and progress in Perry Hall, mentioning the White Marsh incident and the need for positive community discussions.
• David Marks, the Councilman representing the area, joins the conversation, highlighting the vibrant and growing community of Perry Hall.
• David shares a personal anecdote about celebrating his daughter’s 17th birthday during the White Marsh incident, emphasizing the positive aspects of the community.

Community Development and School Improvements

• Nestor and David discuss the improvements in schools, including the construction of Nottingham Middle School and the renovation of Pine Grove Middle School.
• Nestor reminisces about the changes in Perry Hall, mentioning the new developments and the transformation of the area.
• David highlights the abundance of parks and green spaces along Honey Go Boulevard, contributing to the community’s appeal.
• Nestor shares his observations about the new developments, such as Nottingham Park and the changes on King Avenue, noting the community’s growth and investment.

White Marsh Mall and Community Challenges

• Nestor and David discuss the changes in White Marsh Mall, including the construction of housing and the need for the mall to reinvent itself.
• David mentions the challenges of managing growth and the importance of addressing overcrowding in schools and infrastructure.
• Nestor talks about the success of the Avenue in White Marsh, highlighting its destination status and the various amenities it offers.
• David emphasizes the need for malls to adapt to changing times and the importance of community engagement in addressing issues like the recent incident at White Marsh.

Addressing Crime and Community Safety

• Nestor and David discuss the recent incident at White Marsh and the need for solutions to address crime and community safety.
• David mentions the upcoming town hall meeting as a starting point for a broader conversation about the issue.
• Nestor shares his perspective on the challenges of managing large gatherings and the impact of social media on spreading misinformation.
• David highlights the importance of better communication between security, police, and the community to address these issues effectively.

Land Use and Development in Perry Hall

• Nestor and David discuss the challenges and opportunities of land use and development in Perry Hall.
• David explains the urban growth boundary and the need for thoughtful redevelopment to preserve farmland and green spaces.
• Nestor shares his observations about the changes in the area, including the transformation of farms into housing developments.
• David emphasizes the importance of balancing development with the need for adequate infrastructure and services to support growth.

Political Affiliations and Community Engagement

• Nestor and David discuss their political affiliations and the importance of bipartisan cooperation in addressing community issues.
• David shares his views on the need for competitive races and the importance of fair representation in the county.
• Nestor expresses his concerns about the impact of political divisions on community cohesion and the need for open discourse.
• David highlights the importance of listening to constituents and making informed decisions based on community needs.

Future of Baltimore County and Permitting Challenges

• Nestor and David discuss the future of Baltimore County and the challenges of managing growth and development.
• David emphasizes the need to address permitting issues to encourage development and support small businesses.
• Nestor shares his concerns about the impact of permitting delays on economic opportunities and community development.
• David highlights the importance of balancing development with the need to maintain affordable housing and support for senior citizens.

Final Thoughts and Community Support

• Nestor and David wrap up the conversation, emphasizing the importance of community support and engagement.
• David highlights the role of local businesses and community organizations in contributing to the vibrant and growing community of Perry Hall.
• Nestor shares his appreciation for the community and the importance of maintaining a positive and supportive environment.
• The conversation concludes with a focus on the need for continued collaboration and cooperation to address community challenges and support growth.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Perry Hall, community growth, White Marsh, crime issues, school overcrowding, land use, urban development, mall redevelopment, senior population, permitting challenges, economic growth, public safety, town hall meeting, local businesses, political affiliations.

SPEAKERS

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David Marks, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:00

What about we are W, N, S, T, am 1570 tassel, Baltimore. We’re Baltimore positive. We’re positively here in beautiful Perry Hall, right around the corner from White Marsh, not too far from Kearney. I don’t know where the delineation I lived here for seven years, right behind here. We’re at Missoni. Is a beautiful Perry This is Perry Hall because it says Perry Hall. I don’t know where it stops being Perry Hall, and it starts being honey, go and but we’re over here in my old homeland. My son went to the hall. Perry Hall, it’s all brought to you by friends at the Maryland lottery. I have Harlem Globetrotter scratch offs. You’ve already had winners here. Lady that won three bucks. I gave her a little bit of a rebate because she bought purple ring two years ago. So I think it’s 20 to get 22 bucks. Gave her a rebate back, but she won our friends at the GBMC, as well as farnand and Dermer, there are HVAC folks. They’re the comfort guys, hopefully very comfortable day today, spring is sprung. Councilman David Marx is here. Yeah, I think Perry all think of you. You’ve been representing this area for a long time. I see what happened in White Marsh the other night, my wife and I were at White Marshall night before things happen, things get in the news, and you have to stand up, and you probably were asleep when it happened, and then talk about it on the radio, wherever it is, I think at any point. I mean, think about Perry Hall High School years ago, and the incident there. And one of the reasons people don’t run for office is because they have to come on here and talk about those things. But I know you’re working every day to try to try to get positive things going on here. We’ll definitely get to that. But what happened at White Marsh the other night, and the last time I think I was together with you, I was over at red brick, and we looked out and said, the mall is going to be this. It’s going to be that there’s going to be housing. And I know the land issue is its own thing that we can talk about. My wife hadn’t been over in a while, and I drove past what used to be the duck farm, and I’m like, Oh my God, if you haven’t been to White Marsh in a couple of years, you’ll see that it is changing. But one thing we crimes an issue, and I don’t think anybody likes to wake up and hear or see that we’re having those kinds of problems. Yeah.

David Marks  01:56

I mean, this is a show about positivity, right? And there’s a lot of great things happening out here. This is a vibrant, growing community. You mentioned that people want to live here. You asked where I was, when this whole thing happened. I was celebrating our daughter’s 17th birthday. It lives grill, which is a very popular that’s honey go, that’s honey go. You know, we’ve got great schools. Our schools are actually getting less and less crowded because of steps we’ve taken.

Nestor Aparicio  02:24

We were in the trailer situation for a long time back when my kid was in school.

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David Marks  02:27

Yeah. So we built Nottingham Middle School. We’ve renovated Pine Grove middle so we have great schools. We have abundant Park parks. You drive along honey go Boulevard, and it’s a lot of green space.

Nestor Aparicio  02:38

I saw that big school that popped up on King Avenue on the other side of the booty temple. Yeah, Nottingham Park. Now that lived right behind the Boomi temple. I lived in that little community, spring house circle. It’s all tree lined now, the house looks smaller than it did when I bought it 30 years ago, but right up against 95 and I drove King Avenue because I go to yayas to get some caught in pants. So I was heading down there toward the Pizza Hut. And my buddy used to live right there, and I’m like, Wow, this. And you mentioned honey go. I mean, I lived four blocks from here for years when that was a dead end, and the only way to get to Perry Hall was to go down. Was the what was the name of the road? It dead ended. Yeah, Perry Hall High School road that

David Marks  03:20

ended around 1990 they put that through, I mean, and it

Nestor Aparicio  03:23

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feels like a minute and a half ago to me. I lived here in the mid 90s, but like that whole libs grill, the wise, all of that back there, it comes from, and you were a kid, but I mean, it comes from the David Marks of 35 years ago and a county executive, I guess then. I mean, I don’t even know who

David Marks  03:41

would have brought Roger Aden, okay? And then Dutch, Dutch Rupert’s broker, yeah, it’s a long time ago, and

Nestor Aparicio  03:47

venetoulis wouldn’t have had any thought about that or, you know, but this is what politics is. And saying we’re gonna build White Marsh mall 50 years ago. We’re gonna have the highway go through there. We’re gonna have housing around there. We need to build burial High School, like the modern part of this is there’s not much more to go, right? Like, we’ve 43 kind of expanded out toward Middle River. We’re we’re pretty used up around here, other than gunpowder,

David Marks  04:13

yes, yeah, we yeah, we are. We have an urban boundary that also protects a lot of those farms in the north. So we have to figure out what to do with what we already have. But, I mean, there’s a good story here. I mean, there are people still moving here. There are families that are establishing here. The schools are great. The parks are abundant. We have a terrific rec Council. And, you know, there’s a lot of great things even happening at White Marsh. I mean, the avenue, for example. I mean, there’s people who come to the Avenue from all around and you know, we do have things that like, what happened the other night,

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Nestor Aparicio  04:45

I drove through the avenue. I went shopping over at the world market over there, because I was trying to get some little jellies and jams around the world. Yeah, and I part my wife and I went to the movies over there month and a half ago too, IMAX. But I drove through and that ice rink that’s there, yep. And the way. It’s all been put and I look I had Bill blocker on with his daughter and andos. I mean, I love, I love all those places, and Bill knows that. And I’ve been going in there for 30 years, since I lived over by the booming temple. I used to eat lunch in there when I was syndicated. And the fact that that from della roses, and how the thing has grown up and survived, but the ice rink and the family vibe and the movie theater and being able to get all sorts of food, Jamaican food, and I didn’t think the avenue would have ever worked. I said, Who’s Who’s gonna go outside and do anything? No, I want to get inside the mall get a coffee, because I’m a mall rat. I grew up that way. I think the Avenue has been an unbelievably successful and all of the the Texas wrote in all the things on the back end used to be the cable television back there, and then on the other side, where the Best Buy is, the Campbell Boulevard side. I’ve watched all of that come up as a taxpayer in this in this district, to say these are all jobs food, yep, places like missones, I can come out and get a great meatball. That’s what makes a community thrive. Is good business. Bad Press doesn’t, though, right? I mean, having people feel like one incident makes that I can’t go over and get an ando Sanders sandwich, that it’s ridiculous.

David Marks  06:14

I think, yeah, the avenue succeeds because it’s a destination. It’s always reinventing itself, right? You know, they have the concerts, they have the ice skating rink. They are always doing something new. I think that’s the lesson for White Marsh Mall. Malls have to reinvent themselves too. I mean, the malls in the 1980s aren’t gonna be the same.

Nestor Aparicio  06:32

They really didn’t do anything different. Did they did food court in Santa Claus and literally, yeah, there may be a carousel, you know what? I mean, like, there was a little bit of that, but then online happened, and nobody can compete

David Marks  06:44

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with it. That’s exactly right. Covid happens. Yeah, all that happened. I mean, as far as the other night, look, it’s a serious issue. People should not be afraid to go Dine or meet up with friends. And it’s a complicated issue. I hear from people all the time. Well, just shut the bus lines down. These kids are taking Uber and Lyft. They’re using private cars to get there. So, you know, you just can’t shut the bus lines down, right? And you do have a freedom of assembly in this in this country, you have the right to congregate with people. You cross a line, and I think that’s where the police and the county government and the state legislators need to start developing some solutions. What are these kids going to do? What are the appropriate penalties for those who disrespect the law? So I think tonight we’re gonna have a town hall meeting, but it’s the beginning of a bigger conversation about what needs to happen

Nestor Aparicio  07:33

there well, and what will people be saying at the town hall that you can respond to. You hear it all, I mean. And if I sat here like ba Allen took phone calls. You know, if I was the phone call guy or the web page guy or, I mean, you’re you see what people have to say, what can be done. I mean, from solution. I mean, first thing it happens is you start restricting hours. And we’re seeing that in Fells Point. And I hear this in the city all the time. And this is this, to me, this isn’t left, right, black, white, county, city. This is young people. I was a mall rat. Yeah, my buddies got into trouble with the mall. But, you know, not bad trouble, not guns and violence trouble, but stupid shit that got us thrown out of the mall. You know what I mean, like, and that’s what kids do, and I don’t. There’s a point where the gathering part of the modern thing, where everybody knows where everybody is. We used to go to the mall to find each other, like, literally, yeah, I don’t. I can’t think like that anymore. But if you’re not there to do business, if you’re not there to be a customer, I don’t know where the you know, I’m probably on the right side of the aisle to some degree, especially if I owned a place that was getting shut down because of non customer loitering people that are there to cruise them. All right, but I don’t know. I was a kid that cruised. I cruised golden ring, it’s gone. I cruised White Marsh. I cruised East Point. It’s what we did when we were kids that we really was,

David Marks  08:59

yeah, I mean, the easiest thing to say is, you’re going to bolster security and put more police there and that sort of thing. And that’s absolutely one solution. But you know, there is better communication between the security and the police than there’s ever been at that place. They found out about this incident hours before it happened. They mobilized. They were ready for it. It was an online Yeah, they found out about it. I wish people would understand that when these things happen, though, we can’t always communicate. Sometimes everything that’s happening, you know, I got all these calls on Saturday. Well, there’s an investigation. Yeah, yeah. Can you confirm that someone’s been tasered? One person who said there was a shooting and that became viral. Neither of those happened. Okay, the police did their job, but, you know, that’s the hardest part. Is to shut down lies when they’re not. That’s the hardest thing, what what can be done, obviously, more robust police and security, better communication, better partnerships, I think, to develop, you know, ideas about where these kids are going to go, what they’re going to be doing productively. And that’s the. Started the conversation tonight, I think. All right,

Nestor Aparicio  10:01

well, David Marx is here. All right, so land use. And you know, I can call you a land guy. He say that to you give me, and I really don’t know the answer to this, your ideology on the farm side, the usage side, the school side, the residential side, because I do come out here, and this isn’t a criticism, it’s just the literal. Just literally an observation. I drove into that neighborhood we went through, I drove past the mall and I saw, like, what used to be a farm. Are all houses? And I thought, well, is this going to feed overly pair, you know, because I lived near there, and I thought, do we need more of that? Then I crossed King Avenue, and I’m like, Oh, my God. It looks like Colgate elementary rebuilder Dundalk high school looks of investment, the same thing I saw with honey go 30 years ago. New Park, New this, new things for kids to do, new development. I don’t know how all that got passed, or whether there was a you for it or against it, or it gets pushed through or not, but I do know the existing things, and I speak about this, and when Johnny was running the county, I haven’t talked to Kathy. Talked to Kathy about it, but security East Point mall, where my son lives in my parents home, that was bought in 1953 you know, right across from East Point mall, that was always good, the hospital’s gonna buy it. There’s always a rumor attached to it. What’s the rumors and what’s the facts about this ginormous plot. The plot of land of White Marsh has got to be three times the size of security by marshmallow and white Yeah. White Marsh, yeah. I mean, for security in East Point, they were 1960s footprints, White Marsh. The entire area was built around that mall, right? I mean, literally, the circle of traffic that was built around that’s very unprecedented. And then everything else that blew up around it is the mall going to become a Jetsons kind of living space, where it’s going to be a community eventually,

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David Marks  11:54

it is their decision to make. They’re the private property owner. Now there’s other malls where you’ve seen them working with the county to better plan what they’re going to look like. One of my frustrations has been that the White Marsh mall just, it seems to be in the static condition, right? It’s just the mall, but it has to reinvent itself, like the avenues done. You know that there’s the part where the Sears is that is going to be housing, that’s going to be apartments that was heard, that that was in, that was in process before I was elected to represent that area. So it’s

Nestor Aparicio  12:22

sort of housing attached to a mall. We don’t think about that as crazy, but if there were houses above the avenue in White Marsh, that would be what the battery is, literally in Atlanta for the baseball team, you know, building retail below and people living above it, right? That’s modern usage of property, right? And it’s

David Marks  12:43

going to have to be the future of Baltimore County. I mean, we have this urban growth boundary that restricts where you can develop. It’s why all that green space remains undeveloped along 83 right? I don’t want Baltimore County to ever look like Shrewsbury, Pennsylvania. I wanted to have that farm belt preserved. So to preserve that, we’re going to have to have to be thoughtfully redeveloped. So when

Nestor Aparicio  13:03

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wants to come they want to buy Angelos land off of Mount Carmel because it faces the highway and that’s where you would want to put a community or royal farms.

David Marks  13:12

Essentially, you’re going to have to be redeveloping the older areas. Now, what people don’t want to see is redevelopment that overcrowded schools and roads. So the challenge we have in White Marsh is, you know, overly high school, which services White Marsh is overcrowded. The Council passed a bill that better regulates development in those school districts, but we’re going to have to find a way of making sure we address that overcrowding problem at overly high school. You mentioned the parks, all that people are less resistant to development if the parks and the schools and the other services are matchless, yes, yes, that’s what you’re

Nestor Aparicio  13:45

building things, and my kids going to school in a trailer, right? No, good. That’s right.

David Marks  13:49

That’s right. And, and the council reformed that law about two years ago, so you’re going to see, I think, better planning in the future.

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Nestor Aparicio  13:55

David Marx is our guest. He’s Republican councilman. We’re out here in missones, in your so where’s your district border? Where, if I start to drive toward like das beer hall, when? Where do you end? And if I go south here, down toward the old, I call it the old de la roses, yeah, down south. Where does your district end?

David Marks  14:14

Well, my district right now starts over kind of by Perry Parkway, goes up to Kingsville, down to Middle River, down by Martin state airport includes Perry Hall, White Marsh, Fullerton,

Nestor Aparicio  14:24

give way to Todd Crandall on that end, yes. And then you give way to Mike, or tell

David Marks  14:28

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on the west, on the west side, okay, yeah. And then, and then we catch on the north. So the council is expanding. There are only two of us that potentially could be returning Mike or telling me, and there’s two new districts. So the new district that I’m running in is exclusively a northeastern district. So it’ll be the rural area, the northern area, Carroll mountain, or that area, and then down to Perry Hall, Kearney and White Marsh.

Nestor Aparicio  14:51

You happy with maps, new maps? Are you upset with new maps? Everybody hates maps, unless it

David Marks  14:55

helps them. I’m happy because it was a bipartisan process. It wasn’t Jerry. Standard, they’re competitive races. That’s what we should have in this country, competitive races. I mean, we could end up with seven to two, Democrat, Republican. We could end up with five to four, Democrat Republican. And you know what? People can’t stand gerrymandering. It’s bad when the Republicans do it. It’s bad when the Democrats do it. I think we had a very fair, bipartisan process.

Nestor Aparicio  15:23

And the State of the County as you see it, I mean, I’ve talked to Nick I’ve had Julian on, I’ve had pat on. I mean, I had Izzy on. I’ve talked to all of them about these issues, about these malls, about these land usages, about what’s going on at Lutherville, where the light rail comes through. Me, county is freaking important, right? It’s very important. And, yeah, and you know, I have not had the county executive on, I’ll get into that later, but I mean, you were a part of that, and I’ve as a county guy, I think we could do better, and I hope we do do better in the election. But for me, with the issue of shrinkage in the county and east, west, and right, left and all of that. I, I don’t think it’s been great for the county. I think, you know, there’s been a little bit of this, people leaving the county, thing that’s been too much of a hot issue amongst the county executive candidates. For me, sure, you know, say, like, that’s not good. We need to. The county needs to sustain and grow, not shrink. And it is shrinking for real.

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David Marks  16:22

Yeah, we’re an inner suburb, and we need to address these issues of growing. We need to address those issues of permitting. I mean,

Nestor Aparicio  16:30

just suburb, meaning we’re not Westminster or Bel Air. We’re just trying to

David Marks  16:35

understand we’re not Hartford County, we’re not County, and you’re right. We have to grow. We do have to grow. There’s one issue that’s that’s just been vexing, and it’s permitting. I mean, it shouldn’t take someone five years to build a house. It shouldn’t take someone seven or eight months to get a permit. The default position for permits should be to approve a permit. And that is as turning away a lot of developers, it’s turning away a lot of small business members.

Nestor Aparicio  17:00

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That’s a major complaint. It’s a huge that turns money away. It turns

David Marks  17:03

opportunity away. It turns money away. We’re gonna look at, have to look at those, those places that are inside the beltway, and thoughtfully redevelop them. But we also have, we also have fiscal challenges, right? We don’t want to price people out through higher taxes. We have 25% of our population is senior citizen, 25% and you don’t want those people on fixed income to bear the brunt

Nestor Aparicio  17:26

of how unnormal is that. Against Cleveland, I’m making up any rust belt place that’s north because I feel like if you start talking about where my mother in law lives in Venice Beach, Florida, or whatever, I would think the senior population could be 60, 70% in some of those Florida places, some of the you know, places people to go to retire, house 25% against Montgomery County.

David Marks  17:51

Oh, it’s one of the highest in the country. 25 is the highest. We have them on the high I don’t know this. Okay, that’s why I’m told that if, after Miami, Florida, we have one of the highest proportions of senior citizens.

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Nestor Aparicio  18:03

What senior mean? How old you got to be? Oh, gosh, be careful. This is a trick. Is a gotcha question? Yeah, I’m because I’m about to become one that’s effed up, dude, I don’t even want to say that,

David Marks  18:16

isn’t it? Eventually, like 6060, years old. Is that right?

Nestor Aparicio  18:19

Dude, I’m two and a half years from adding we’re gonna go to 26% because I’m gonna be, well, some people might, I don’t want anybody to die, but, yeah, but I’m gonna be part of that number

David Marks  18:30

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soon. Sure, I’m 52 I’m not far

Nestor Aparicio  18:34

behind. Stay behind. Yeah, stay behind. But you

David Marks  18:37

know, the next county executive is gonna have to make some very difficult choices on land use, and we’re going to have to be encouraging much more of that development inside the beltway. We’re gonna have to do more with less, and I really think we do have to fundamentally change that permitting system. It really is a huge obstacle development and to small businesses throughout this county.

Nestor Aparicio  18:55

I got one minute left with you, Democrat, Republican, Trump, not Trump where, but Al redmer is the only sane maybe you, but I’ve never had anything where I’ve really felt like that guy is, isn’t with Trump. I mean, I want people to say, this isn’t, this isn’t good. This isn’t normal. If you supported or didn’t support it, it’s really, it’s not a good seen the gas. It’s not a good situation to be dropping bombs on people, especially especially my people in Venezuela. So I just think that’s that’s a difficult position for your side of the aisle, even for sane Republicans. I think there

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David Marks  19:31

are things I agree with the President. There’s things I disagree with. What do you agree with? I think judges should generally be conservative. I think they should guard against radical change. I like the idea of tax cuts. I wish we’d done a lot more in deficit reduction. Both parties could do a lot more on that. I generally parties lie about, yeah, I generally believe in a muscular foreign policy, you know, but I don’t like the rhetoric a lot of times. And look, I broke with my party, and a lot of people my party. I voted to oppose private detention centers being put in Baltimore County. I listened to a lot of constituents on that. So, you know, I, I pick and choose on a lot of these issues.

Nestor Aparicio  20:11

Well, then they yell at your your Rhino, and they, you know, like, and I the name calling emanates from that man. That’s where the name call. Like, that was this. This isn’t normal.

David Marks  20:22

Liberals did that to George W Bush too. I mean, they made fun of him, and this has been making

Nestor Aparicio  20:28

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fun is one thing, yeah, being a serial liar there, which Donald Trump is a serial liar, and the Epstein files every American, I just don’t understand the worship, the cult part of he lies. We smile. You know, I went through this with horrible with football fans, like a lie is a lie. It doesn’t it doesn’t have a color, it doesn’t have an r, it doesn’t have a D, it does it to me, I just, where is the truth in it? And that’s really where I break rank with, with the Trump thing. And I think it’d be very hard for me to vote on your side because of that, even if there is a candidate in Baltimore County is Republican that that I could hear their message a little bit. And I just think it makes it more difficult.

David Marks  21:10

We had a message Larry Hogan, I think, was that he presented a great message for Republicans in the state and then

Nestor Aparicio  21:17

couldn’t have won it again. That’s how weird the Listen, I voted for Hogan,

David Marks  21:21

and he lost. He lost the Senate race to to Angela also Brooks, who I never see in this county.

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Nestor Aparicio  21:27

I’ve never met Angela. I canceled on me twice.

David Marks  21:31

I can’t point to one thing she’s done.

Nestor Aparicio  21:33

Listen, I’m a Democrat that helps, like Wes Moore get elected when he was pulling a 2% I Wes Moore shakes my hand and tells me I was going to do the show. And he’s done this 15 times in three years. And I so like, I’m not anybody thinks I’m beating the band. You’ve attached me to Brandon Scott the other day. I’m like, I like Brandon. I don’t need to like all of his policies. I don’t think he’s nefarious. I don’t think he’s underhanded. I you know, I think you can look at the results. You could talk about businesses, and if he wants to come and sit and talk to me about it, I’m happy to do that. But I think that’s the open discourse that we have to have here, because no one should agree with everything. Anybody says that, that that worries me. That’s sycophant that’s not so. I mean, good for you to break rank free for holding your ground on whatever you do believe in. Yeah.

David Marks  22:20

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And you know what? There’s people who will go straight down the ballot and vote one party, and then there’s other people that will pick and choose.

Nestor Aparicio  22:25

I was always a pick and chooser, yeah, yeah. I was always a pick and chooser, until the people in the Red Hats come and support this. This is not larry hogan. This is not me voting for Bob Ehrlich, although Ehrlich’s in line with it’s just not, it’s, it’s not, it’s, it’s not normal. And I hope we get to the point where you and I five years from now aren’t talking about that part of it. We’re talking about, hey, we disagree a little bit, but we’re, we’re Americans. We’re in this together. It’s not you against me. Yep, that divided. We fall. I learned completely Judas Priest song 1981 united. David Marx is here. Republican Nestor here, independently, crazy, left leaning. Bernie Sanders, off the chart, knucklehead. It’s all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery. I have some Harlem Globetrotters. I have winners here today, by the way, Nicole wants me to show the crab cake here, because she doesn’t make crab cakes and Missoni, but she made me one, and wanted to let everybody know that grandma missones recipe from Dundalk mid Crandall come out and have a little bit of that with these cost us as well. It’s always good to see you. Thank you very much. Welcome. Harry Hall, yeah, I’ve never had Mike or tell on. I’ve never had Wade on. I know some people are in, some people are out. I try to have all of you on. So people give me a hard time. I’m like mark shows up. I mean, he’s Republican, I know. So everybody’s welcome here to come on and have a crab cake, or, in case of your meatballs, we’re Perry Hall back for more from missones. It’s all brought to you by friends at GBMC, farnander and the Maryland lottery, Baltimore positive. Stay with us. You.