Talking leadership, journalism and her new ABC show “The Champion’s Edge” with longtime broadcaster and proud Maryland Terps graduate Bonnie Bernstein, whose latest chats emphasize and feature the life skills learned through sports for women in executive roles and careers.

Bonnie Bernstein discusses her new ABC show, “The Champions Edge,” which premieres on May 9. The show highlights extraordinary women in various industries who played sports, emphasizing the life skills learned through sports, such as leadership and resilience. Bernstein notes that 94% of female C-suite executives played sports. The show aims to inspire girls to stay in sports, as the skills learned are beneficial for their future careers. Bernstein also touches on the challenges in modern journalism, stressing the importance of verifying information and maintaining journalistic integrity.

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Plan and produce the next show episode focused on the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) topic for the program’s next episode.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Arrange and take Bonnie Bernstein to a Maryland crab cake outing (Maryland crab cake tour) when she is in town (meet her off the train and visit local crab restaurants).
• [ ] Repurpose the original Champions Edge interviews into extended podcast episodes (publish on the Athlete Effect podcast platforms such as YouTube, Spotify, Apple) so TV interviews can be explored in greater depth.

Bonnie Bernstein’s New ABC Show and Maryland Roots

• Nestor Aparicio introduces the show and mentions various Maryland crab cake events.
• Nestor welcomes Bonnie Bernstein, noting her frequent appearances on the program.
• Bonnie Bernstein discusses her new show on ABC, “The Champions Edge,” which premieres on Saturday.
• Bonnie highlights the show’s focus on extraordinary women across various industries who played sports growing up.

The Connection Between Sports and Career Success

• Bonnie explains the show’s research-based approach, emphasizing the 94% statistic of female C-suite executives who played sports.
• The show aims to profile women in diverse fields, including doctors, lawyers, and entrepreneurs, to show the benefits of sports participation.
• Bonnie stresses the importance of sports in developing life skills like leadership, teamwork, and resilience.
• Nestor shares his personal experiences with sports and the pressure on modern kids to specialize early.

Bonnie Bernstein’s Athletic Background

• Bonnie shares her athletic journey, starting with tumbling, soccer, and eventually focusing on gymnastics.
• She discusses the importance of fun in sports and the challenges of maintaining that fun as athletes become more serious.
• Bonnie recounts her own experiences with injuries and the determination that drove her to continue in gymnastics.
• Nestor and Bonnie discuss the changes in sports participation and opportunities for girls today compared to their own youth.

The Role of Sports in Personal and Professional Development

• Bonnie emphasizes that one does not need to be an elite athlete to benefit from sports.
• She shares an example of Ginger Z, a top meteorologist, who played multiple sports and benefited from the lessons learned.
• The show aims to provide role models for girls playing sports, showing them the long-term benefits.
• Nestor and Bonnie discuss the common themes of resilience and the ability to pivot, which are crucial for success in any field.

Challenges in Modern Journalism

• Nestor and Bonnie discuss the changes in journalism, including the impact of social media and the shift from gathering information to seeking affirmation.
• Bonnie stresses the importance of maintaining journalistic integrity and the two-source rule for breaking stories.
• They discuss the challenges of verifying information in the age of AI and deepfakes.
• Bonnie shares her approach to consuming news and the importance of being open-minded and respectful of different perspectives.

The Athlete Effect Podcast

• Bonnie explains the podcast “The Athlete Effect,” which repurposes interviews from “The Champions Edge” for deeper conversations.
• The podcast is available on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and other platforms.
• Nestor and Bonnie discuss the importance of media literacy and the need for trust in journalism.
• Bonnie highlights the show’s goal of inspiring girls to stay in sports and the long-term benefits of doing so.

Bonnie Bernstein’s Connection to Maryland

• Nestor and Bonnie discuss her continued involvement with the University of Maryland and her support for the athletics program.
• Bonnie shares her recent visits to the new athletic facilities and the commitment to improving them.
• They discuss the importance of state-of-the-art facilities for competitive sports.
• Nestor and Bonnie conclude the conversation with light-hearted banter about Maryland crab cakes and Bonnie’s experiences in the state.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Bonnie Bernstein, ABC show, women in business, sports journey, leadership skills, resilience, teamwork, career success, Maryland gymnastics, Champions Edge, female executives, sports participation, mental health, media literacy, journalism ethics.
SPEAKERS
Nestor Aparicio, Bonnie Bernstein

Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T. Am 1570 tacit, Baltimore. We are Baltimore. Positive, positively, getting you ready for springtime. We’re doing the Maryland crab cake tour in various places down the stretch. They come. It is preak this week around here. Will be on Wednesday at Fayette Lee’s at Lexington market, doing the crab derby. I will have the Maryland lottery scratch offs, including the the Assateague forces and the Ocean City carousel, and all sorts of things we’ll be doing. Also on the 21st we’ll be at the fishmonger’s daughter that will be in Catonsville as we open and Kristen, a new place right down the street from Beaumont State Fair and El Guapo, and all the fun that we have around here. You know, anytime Bonnie Bernstein wants to come on this program, she’s welcome to do so, but she’s usually promoting something in the media. And hey, I have a new show kind of space. She’s doing a thing at ABC. Bonnie and I’ve been knowing each other long time. You get all these Maryland roots, even though you’re all new yorked up and all of that, but you’re always doing stuff that is more along the lines of what I’ve been doing lately, which is sitting down and talking to people as we get a little older, although you and I are not that old, we get to talk to cool people. And I’m excited for your new project, and I want you to tell me all about it. How’s life, bon

Bonnie Bernstein 01:14
old is the state of mind? Ness we don’t, we don’t age is It? Is? They say age is just a number, so I have to say I kind of agree with that. Well, thank you for having me on and hello to all of our Maryland fans and our Terps, in particular, class of 92 journalism and still very involved with the journalism program there and the gymnastics program. Funny enough, my gymnastics coach’s son, who I’ve known since he was seven years old, has been our longtime head gymnastics coach at Maryland, so that’s pretty cool. The project that I’m working on is called the champions edge on ABC at premieres Saturday on every single ABC station in the country, although the time we always say, check your local listings. And what the champions edge is is a showcase of extraordinary women across all different industries, whose common link is that they played sports growing up. And they talk about how the life skills we learn through sports, the, you know, the leadership, the teamwork, the resilience, the time management, the confidence, the discipline, all of the things, the role that that cumulatively has played in their career success. And you know, Nestor, I think in our world, we’re accustomed to seeing people who play sports wind up in the sports profession as a coach or a professional player, or maybe they’re on an administrative track at a university, or what have you. What we’re doing here is research based, and there’s extraordinary opportunity for stories that we’re telling that most people aren’t seeing. So the data point we love to talk about is that 94% of all female C suite executives played sports. And what we wanted to do is tell the stories that bring the data to life this connection between sports participation and career success, particularly for women. So yes, we’re going to shine a light on women who are coaches and athletic directors and commissioners, but we’re also profiling doctors and lawyers and women in finance and women who are CEOs, CMOs, coos, entrepreneurs, Women in Entertainment and music. And so the net of it is, our goal is to become the ultimate if you see it, you can be a database of stories for girls playing sports so they realize that what we’re learning while we’re playing will benefit us the rest of our lives

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Nestor Aparicio 03:31
94% so I don’t, I don’t, I know you well, but I don’t know you that well, and I know you from the gymnastics space. Did you kick a soccer ball? Did you play softball Little League? Like, I, like, I think of you as an athlete. I think of you as the Maryland thing, and the CBS and, like, all the things you did. But like, I to meet a female executive in a suit. And I do this all the time. I’m at networking events all the time, and a lot of the rooms can be 60 70% female, you know, depending on what room I walk into, I never think like, Hmm, were they tapping ballet, which my mom tried to push me into when I was six years old. I remember going to that one because she watched, she watched Lawrence Welk, and she’s thinking, tapper ballet. And I’m like, No, I’m basketball. I’m baseball, you know, I want to do the sports thing. But then there’s the point where, like, the modern kid is just a soccer kid or just a lacrosse kid, or just, like they get put into this whole churn of leagues and things that were outside of my rec league. But did you play sports as a kid? Or were you gymnastics from the time you were four years old, on the mat?

Bonnie Bernstein 04:40
I actually started out with tumbling, then I started playing soccer. I did gymnastics. Was always my primary sport. That was probably my athletic through line. Played a little bit of softball in high school. I actually ran 110 and 400 hurdles, and I threw javelin and shot put, and actually made it to the states for. Yeah, javelin my freshman year, and that was one of my favorite field events. So I really was a multi sport athlete, but when it came time to coming to around to college, I knew that gymnastics was going to be my sport. But what you’re talking about Nestor is a really important conversation that I think we need to be having in our parent communities, because we’re seeing more and more how kids might start out playing a bunch of different sports, but then they start specializing at a very early age. And what happens so many times with kids is there’s this pressure when you’re focusing on only playing one sport and what gets lost the fun. I can’t tell you how many athletes I’ve come across, especially the ones who are getting full rides in college, aspiring to play in the in in a professional league, whether that’s men’s or women’s, and we talk about how the fun is gone. It’s a job, and at the end of the day, I think it’s critically important to have this conversation with kids and their parents that at the end of the day, if you get nothing else out of sports, you wanted it to be fun. You wanted to be playing with your friends, your teammates. It created community, and you do learn the leadership and the teamwork and all the different things. But if sports doesn’t become fun, there’s something wrong.

Nestor Aparicio 06:20
Well, was it always fun for you?

Bonnie Bernstein 06:23
No, no. I mean, it’s but I’m probably a little bit different because I

Nestor Aparicio 06:29
got to that point maybe in Maryland. Or was it fun when you were 11 or 12? Or was it always super competitive when you were 14? In order to get to that level, to go to Maryland and

Nestor Aparicio 06:37
do

Bonnie Bernstein 06:38
it, I think there comes a time when you become really serious about your sport, that the serious nature and that that laser focus takes over, and that’s where the opportunity is, because, you know, my parents were incredibly supportive, but we weren’t having the conversation, are you having fun? I don’t. I don’t know that that ever came up. And by the time I was done with gymnastics. I had gone through an ACL reconstruction in two scopes in four years at Maryland, and the intestinal fortitude in me drove me to come back, just to be able to say I overcame what I remember the orthopedic my freshman year when I blew out my knee, and he said, I think your career might be over. And I was like, No, it’s not I did that, that I want to be able to walk away on my terms, and so that that sort of that something inside me that made me want to come back to a certain degree to prove people wrong. What I didn’t realize at the time is that the fun was really lost, and while I loved it, there’s you can differentiate. Do you love a sport? Yes. Are you always having fun? No. And I guess that can be a broader conversation about how we feel about our work, right? But when I was done, I was ready to be done, and I think in hindsight, I wished that I did focus more on the fun aspect. Then ultimately I did

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Nestor Aparicio 08:03
well, then we went into the business of doing this. You went to Jay School of Maryland. Bonnie Bernstein is here. Emmy award winning sportscaster, creator, host and executive producer. So we’re going to get to that, because she’s now running the whole thing, the champions edge premieres this week on ABC, and discussing leadership with women who are already leaders in the C space about their sports experience. So when you chat with these folks, I guess my point was, I see you as a C level woman and and as an athlete, but not as somebody that may have kicked a soccer ball, that you did what you did, and you had to have been really good at what you do to to have been in gymnastics at that point, at d1 and the and the real ACC, back when we hated Duke in North Carolina, the way, the way it should have been. But when you meet these other women, is this about playing Little League softball, or is this about, hey, I was a d1 something, something in some way, or is it the whole spectrum of just having been a girl exposed to sports, which was still rare in your era, right? I mean, you know, you’re sort of sort of kind of my wife’s age, and I’m thinking like my age, and I’m thinking girls today have such an open door with the WNBA, with how far soccer has come. Where I live, the lacrosse

Bonnie Bernstein 09:20
stick, hockey Absolutely,

Nestor Aparicio 09:22
just all the way around, that if you’re if I had a six year old granddaughter right now, her sports experience would look a whole lot different than the girls I grew up with on my street back in the 70s.

Bonnie Bernstein 09:34
It is a great question, and I’m so glad you asked it, because one of the messages that we want to get across is that you don’t have to be an elite athlete to experience all the benefits of sports. Now, most of the women in our database did play college sports, but I’ll give you a perfect example. Our first episode out the gate is with ginger Z, the first female chief meteorologist in the history of network television. So ginger we. Year, every day when we get up and watch Good Morning America, and she gives us our forecast, but she’s never talked at length about what we talked about in our interview. She’s here and there. She’s talked about being a multi sport athlete, but we got into it. I mean, she played every sport under the sun and her but she only competed through high school, and yet she had such clarity about the lessons she learned through sports, and she was done by the time she went to college. So it’s such a great example. And I don’t want to share too much about the episode, because it’s really riveting and and part of her story entails running for her mental health, which is critically important because it’s mental health awareness month, so we sort of strategically decided to launch with Ginger’s episode. But here’s a woman who is one of the top meteorologists in her field. She is a scientist who is at the top of her game and in so many different ways, her sports experience has enabled her to get to that the top of that mountain.

Nestor Aparicio 11:05
I want to read the list of these guests here because, I mean, some of them have been on my show. Dominique Dawes, obviously, in the same space as you. Jessica Mendoza, kit Hoover, just, just a wide variety. But in talking to this first, let’s say dozen, 15 guests that you’ve had on, is there anything that’s a commonality that you’ve seen run across all of this in sports, that you even share that becomes something that we’re going to talk about that with every one of these people, because it other than just being female and being successful and in the business world, to some degree, there’s got to be something else in common that that brought all these women to sport and then to business.

Bonnie Bernstein 11:46
I think two of the common themes that we hit on almost every episode are resilience and the ability to pivot. Because chances are, if you are getting to the top of your field, you’ve hit a lot of roadblocks along the way, and how we process what is characterized as failure is critically important to getting to the top of your profession, because I think societally, we are conditioned to think if you fail there’s something wrong. We take it personally. It’s an indictment on our ability, our personality, whatever it is, and what Sports teaches us is that failure is a critical element, and the road to success. A lot of times, we can’t dictate whether we succeed or fail, but we can control is how we deal with that failure. What do we learn from that? How do we get better? How do we get smarter? How do we potentially pivot when it comes to achieving our goals? And we are naturally taught that in sports, that failure is part of the key to success, and I think that is something that comes through in some way, shape or form in every interview.

Nestor Aparicio 12:56
Maddie Bernstein is here. She has a new show on ABC. It debuted. Can people find this on the web? Or is this something we we got to tune in on the weekends. Give me how we find it if we don’t find it right away?

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Bonnie Bernstein 13:07
Well, for right now, it is going to be on ABC on Saturday mornings. We know lots of families are busy on Saturday mornings, so we’re always a big fan of saying like, Hey, throw that in the DVR so you can catch it later. If you happen to have Armed Forces Network, we are distributed internationally, and then we’re in discussion with a few other potential partners, since we are part of the Disney family, that hopefully it will be coming to a streamer near you sometime very soon.

Nestor Aparicio 13:34
All right, let’s, let’s go down the journalism lane here, because I want to leave the Terps alone and like all that. And you know, obviously the job you did and how much the world has changed for journalism, for access. You know, I leave the Diana Rossini stories alone, and obviously the 60 minutes and Donald Trump and just but, you know, and I see all of what Mark Hyman does at the University of Maryland. Was one of my first big brothers and mentors at the News America when I had my first journalism job in 1984 so we’re, you know, I’ve been at this 42 years now, and I’ve seen it change. I I’ve been thrown out of the media with the Ravens by Chad steel, obviously the Orioles in Peter angelos, like Jason lock and for I can’t ask questions here anymore. We’re in a different era where there’s access and pay and how all of these entities have changed, the n, i L and college sports, but journalism as a practice as I knew it back in the day, and the Washington Post and I had Dave shining my buddy on the other day from the post, and has George Solomon, you know, saw it back in the day when you and I were trying to get gigs. I don’t recognize this, and I don’t know where it’s going, but it feels like it’s going in the wrong direction. And if I did have a grandson or a granddaughter that was 15, 1617, saying I want to be like you, or I want to be like Bonnie, or even if I want to be like Jim Nance, or I want to be in this industry in whatever way, I would say, this is a really slippery. Place to be right now, to be working in sports media, specifically, but the media in general.

Bonnie Bernstein 15:06
It’s interesting. I saw an interview with Katie Couric several years ago, and she said something that was so profound, and it stuck with me, and I share the story pretty frequently. The moderator for the panel had asked Katie, what is different about media now versus when you first started out. And she said today, people aren’t looking for information. They’re looking for affirmation. They want to hear whatever voice is coming through to them to say you’re right in the way you’re thinking, which is completely antithetical to the way that I’ve been raised as a journalist, one of the core tenets of journalism is first and foremost as a journalist. And let’s keep in mind that there’s a difference between being a reporter and doing an opinion column or doing an editorial column, where that is your job to express your opinion. A reporter is charged with gathering information whatever the topic is, gathering the information from as many different sources and angles as possible. So what you are putting out there is a well rounded piece, and by providing that information to the reader or the listener or who’s watching whatever form of consumer you are. You are empowering the consumer to absorb that information and then figure out, based on everything that you’ve shared, how they feel about it. And no matter what is going on in the world of journalism or the world in general, I can only control the lane that I swim in. And so no matter what’s going on, I’ve really just tried to stay true to that if there is as a consumer, if there’s a big story going on, I am seeing how it’s presented on Fox. I’m seeing how it’s presented on Ms. Well, it used to be MSNBC, but Ms now I’m looking at very different outlets, and then I just try to find the pieces of information that I see are consistent, and it’s my approach to consuming news and how I allow it to influence my life. Is something I’d recommend to everybody, because we all grow up with our independent experiences, and they influence the lens through which we look at life and everything going on around us, but if we just come to whatever topic of conversation with an open mind, thinking, okay, something I might hear might reaffirm the way I feel about it, but maybe there’s something new that can help shift my perspective. I just, I don’t know, Nestor, I think we would all be a little bit better off if we could try to be open minded and, of course, respectful when people don’t share the same opinions that we do. Well,

Nestor Aparicio 17:48
there’s also media literacy, and there’s also people like and I always go back on this. I’ve been doing this 35 years. I always in, I’m in it on social media, in the soup with everybody else. Say, point at the time I ever lied to you, go ahead, find it, because I don’t, I don’t bullshit my audience, and they know that, 35 years in, and that’s what kind of keeps them here. I think there’s some level of trust that has to be had with everyone, whether it’s your rock star, the brand that you buy, your fast food for what you know, whatever it is, we all sort of stand for something here, I think, in the modern era. And Fox stands for one thing, and Rachel Maddow stands for another thing. And we all have these silos we get into. But journalism wasn’t that. Journalism was who, what, where, when, oh, and prove it to me. And prove it to me, because it’s got my name on in the byline

Bonnie Bernstein 18:41
there’s one of my biggest concerns is how social media has influenced the way journalists go about doing their work. Because we used to get assigned, you’re a beat reporter, you have a story to do, and you’ve got a deadline, and it is your job to meet that deadline. Now you bring social media into the mix, and there is so much of a focus on, can I be the first? Can I break the news and and sometimes process gets lost. So for me, I have never broken a story unless I have two rock solid sources, because if you’re only dealing with one source, you never know if somebody has an ulterior motive. And I’ve always felt more comfortable with that two source rule

Nestor Aparicio 19:27
in the modern era, they could bring a receipt and AI and video, and it could all be pub

Bonnie Bernstein 19:32
well, and the AI thing, like, it could all be fake too, like, you know. And that’s the other thing I worry about, too. When I when I look through my social media feeds, I find myself wondering more than ever, is this real? Is this person real? Is it AI? I don’t have time to go down the rabbit hole to figure out which is which, and so it’s really it’s an it’s a perplexing time for me as a consumer of information, because. And I’m like, I’m an expert in how this stuff is done. Yeah,

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Nestor Aparicio 20:03
when I get duped, it’s really a bad day if anybody gets me, and I haven’t been gotten much at all, you know? I mean, because I am, at heart, a journalist who’s a skeptic, who questions three times four, is this real? I get my own two or three sources in my own head to say, and there’s where I talk about trust, and I think that’s part of you being Bonnie Bernstein and having done this for a long time, and there’s a trust built into this that comes with having done this for a long period of time. And I think that that’s why people are going to watch your show. You know what I mean? I think that’s why people listen to this show. There is trust built in that’s going to be necessary moving forward. I think,

Bonnie Bernstein 20:43
I think if there was anything that I could respectfully request of anybody who is consuming information, is if you can try as best as you can to understand what is somebody’s opinion, how they feel about something, and understanding that that is not necessarily fact, and it is really hard these days, because opinion and fact are all smushed together during the course of a roundtable show, and it’s hard to tell the difference. But if, if you can make a concerted effort to say, I know what that person is saying or is his or her personal opinion, but let me go do some digging. I just I really think we’d be all better off. And you know, for this show, my hope is by these women sharing their personal stories, stories that many women haven’t even shared before because nobody even asks them about their sports experience, that not only athletes but parents and coaches will be able to connect the dots in a more meaningful way than has ever been possible. One of the biggest reasons why girls drop out of sports and while participation rates are at, you know, record highs now for girls, we’re also dealing with a pretty alarming dropout rate, typically around their mid teens. Now sometimes that is cost or transportation challenges, but a lot of times, girls are going through their developmental stage, they feel uncomfortable with themselves, so they drop out, or they may love the sport, but they realize they’re not going to be good enough to get a college scholarship. They’re not going to be playing in the W they’re not going to be playing in the NWSL or the professional women’s hockey league or professional volleyball or lacrosse, and they move on to something else. And what we want to be able to say to athletes and parents and their coaches, because the coaches have the ability to be a really influential mouthpiece, is, if you love the sport, stay and play. Why? Because the longer you stay in play, the stronger the life skills will get. And then when it’s time for you to go out and find your first job, you’re going to be you’re going to have a leg up on everybody else, and chances are, you’re going to be a high performer. So you know, we are taking these, these real life, authentic, pure stories from some of the most successful women in the world, and putting it on a show that we hope can really change the mindset around the lifelong benefits of sports,

Nestor Aparicio 23:08
not only playing on a team with somebody, when you played on a team with somebody, 50 years later, they’re still teammates. Emmy award winning sportscaster Bonnie Bernstein is my friend and guest. She’s the Creator, host and executive producer of a new ABC series, the champion’s edge of premieres on May 9. You can find all that, and also the podcast part of the actual conversation, parts on the athlete effect, correct?

Bonnie Bernstein 23:28
Yeah. So what we’re doing is we typically sit our guests down for an hour at a time, and a half hour TV show. We don’t get to get everything in there as much as we’d like. So what we are doing is we’re taking the original interviews from the champions edge on ABC, and then we’re repurposing them for my podcast, which is called the athlete effect. And you can find that on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Odyssey, wherever you get your podcasts, and those allow us to go much deeper into conversation in in a very meaningful way.

Nestor Aparicio 24:00
Bonnie Bernstein joining us here, is this the part where I sing the Terps fight song there,

Bonnie Bernstein 24:09
whenever you turn it down.

Nestor Aparicio 24:11
Why? No, I know you’ve

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Bonnie Bernstein 24:13
been back to campus lately.

Nestor Aparicio 24:15
I have not been to college park in a while. To be honest with you,

Bonnie Bernstein 24:19
it is we’ve we’re really starting to invest in the athletics facilities, which is amazing. I was over at the softball complex a couple of weeks ago. We were actually shooting some stand ups inside XFINITY, and I had the chance to go to the new basketball Performance Center for both our men’s and women’s basketball team. We are, at this point, we’re pretty much state of the art in,

Nestor Aparicio 24:39
well,

Nestor Aparicio 24:39
you’re in the big 10. You better be right. And that’s way this way it goes.

Bonnie Bernstein 24:43
Yeah, I hear you, but sometimes you lag behind. But I really feel like there is a genuine commitment from our new Athletics Director, Jim Smith, to invest in facilities so we will be up there with the Michigans and the Ohio States. We’ve we’ve had a. Little way to go, but I think we’re getting there

Nestor Aparicio 25:02
all right. On our next episode, we’ll explore the n, i L, and we’ll complain and bitch and do angry sports radio about it. Bonnie Bernstein has been my friend for going on three decades. She is alive and well and doing a new show now on ABC. It is called the champions edge. Always good to visit with you, bon. I’m glad you’re glad you’re doing well. And you know, I managed to make this a half an hour. No Orioles, no Mets. We haven’t talked we have talked about any of that stuff. You know, it’s fine, you know.

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Bonnie Bernstein 25:26
Well, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it, and hope everybody has a chance to check out the champions edge and the athlete effect podcast on YouTube, and whenever you get your podcast, Hey

Nestor Aparicio 25:35
you. Jersey girls, eat proper Maryland crab cakes or no. Use use. Girls, no

Bonnie Bernstein 25:41
2% although I will say I never had blue crab, I don’t think I even had crabs until I got to college. Yeah, I know

Nestor Aparicio 25:49
they were the Doom right there. You’re too

Nestor Aparicio 25:51
close to

Nestor Aparicio 25:51
DC. I listen, here’s what we’re going to do. One You know, once you get settled in on all this, and you’re somewhere around here, you’re coming out of Maryland, I’m gonna get you off the train, and I’m going to take you for a proper crap. You go Koco’s. Costas faitlis could do the whole tour, the Maryland crab cake tour. You’d be a great guest on the Maryland crab cake tour. You know, I’d even give you a Maryland treasure acetate. Course here you could do Ocean City, which is better than that Wildwood place or that Atlantic City y’all had up there. Bonnie Bernstein is here. She is a Marylander by choice, I would say, and her college, college choice is she? She a Terp, as they say. We’re back for more on Baltimore positive. Stay with us. You.