Do you believe Justin Tucker, words of Ravens “leadership” or the 10-game suspension from NFL?

It’s pretty simple: Justin Tucker is gone from the Baltimore Ravens and serving a 10-game NFL suspension for the outrageous conduct outlined in a tremendous piece of journalism done by the sports and news reporting team of Chris Korman at The Baltimore Banner. Here, he continues his Maryland Crab Cake Tour discussion with Bill Cole and Nestor about local journalism and its difficulty and impact.

Chris Korman, sports editor of the Baltimore Banner, discussed the investigation into Justin Tucker’s alleged misconduct, which involved 16 women and led to a 10-game NFL suspension. Korman detailed the process of corroborating sources, including spa owners, and the challenges in contacting Tucker and the Ravens. Despite initial resistance, the NFL’s investigation validated the Banner’s reporting. Nestor Aparicio and Bill Cole debated the ethical responsibilities of journalists and team owners, emphasizing the need for accountability and transparency. The conversation also touched on the broader implications of trust and credibility in journalism and sports.

Situation and Journalistic Ethics

• Nestor Aparicio discusses his mistrust of Chad Steele and other team officials who have lied to him in the past.
• Bill Cole suggests that there might be reasonable explanations for the team’s actions, but Nestor emphasizes the importance of reporting the truth.
• Nestor mentions that he witnessed Ozzie’s condition and felt it was his duty to report it, despite the team’s attempts to control the message.
• Bill Cole argues for a cooperative relationship with the team, suggesting that a productive dialogue might lead to better results.

Investigating Justin Tucker’s Allegations

• Chris Korman explains the process of investigating Justin Tucker’s allegations, including interviews with spa owners and corroborating sources.
• Nestor Aparicio questions the journalistic responsibility of contacting the accused directly, as suggested by Bill Cole.
• Chris Korman details the steps taken to ensure the story’s credibility, including consulting lawyers and pressuring the Ravens for an interview with Justin Tucker.
• Nestor and Chris discuss the ethical considerations of reporting such sensitive information and the team’s reluctance to engage.

The Ravens’ Response and Legal Process

• Chris Korman recounts the Ravens’ initial reluctance to respond and the eventual involvement of Justin Tucker’s lawyers.
• Nestor Aparicio highlights the importance of the NFL’s investigation and the subsequent suspension of Justin Tucker for 10 games.
• Bill Cole questions the moral obligation of journalists to communicate credible information to relevant parties.
• Chris Korman explains the legal and ethical considerations of the reporting process, including the need for Justin Tucker to respond to the allegations.

Public Perception and Accountability

• Nestor Aparicio expresses frustration with the public’s lack of interest and understanding of the story.
• Bill Cole and Nestor discuss the broader implications of accountability in professional sports and the challenges of maintaining trust.
• Chris Korman reflects on the women’s motivations for coming forward and the impact of their testimonies.
• The conversation touches on the broader issues of trust, accountability, and the role of journalism in holding powerful institutions accountable.

The Aftermath and Future Implications

• Chris Korman discusses the NFL’s decision to suspend Justin Tucker and the broader implications for the league’s policies on misconduct.
• Nestor Aparicio and Bill Cole debate the long-term consequences for Justin Tucker and the Ravens, including potential future employment and public perception.
• The discussion highlights the challenges of maintaining credibility and accountability in professional sports journalism.
• The conversation concludes with a reflection on the importance of journalistic integrity and the role of media in addressing sensitive issues.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Justin Tucker, Baltimore Banner, NFL investigation, massage spa, credible sources, journalistic responsibility, Ravens organization, accountability, public trust, legal process, suspension, media coverage, public opinion, ethical reporting, team management.

SPEAKERS

Bill Cole, Chris Korman, Nestor Aparicio

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Nestor Aparicio  00:00

Way. Bill Cole, Cole roofing, we’re at a Costa stemon, if you’re tuning in. Chris Corman’s here, sports editor of the Baltimore banner, I

Bill Cole  00:07

want to go back to your question about the Ozzie thing. So just to be devil’s advocate, whatever like. So when you became aware of the situation, did you ask them anything? Because

Nestor Aparicio  00:19

they would lie to me. To them. They would. I witnessed it,

Bill Cole  00:22

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right? So, so I guess if I’m trying to find a reason I put

Nestor Aparicio  00:27

a tweet out. I just put a tweet out. Yeah, I knew some left. His eyes were open. He was awake, alert. He was I didn’t make it.

Bill Cole  00:36

If I’m them and you tell me, right? I see you, and we’re trying to engage and have a but I have no

Nestor Aparicio  00:42

relationship with Chad Steele. To be able to go up to him and say, is that Ozzy? Is something going on with Ozzy, he would lie to me. Okay, so if you will lie, this is the quid pro quo that if Don molar were sitting here and he had to, you know, the stones are seriously You can’t lie to me. We lose relationship when that happens, once that happens, once you start to lie to me on the regular. John Harbaugh, Chad Steele, Greg Bader, doesn’t matter who you are, employees, wife, kids, once you lie to me on the regular, I’m just a journalist, and I just and also a sentient human being that thinks these things through. I would, I

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Bill Cole  01:18

would like to offer an alternative universe. This is a productive relationship, so I understand. Yeah. So, I mean, is there any chance that, like, Ozzy’s wife didn’t know at that point? And if I said to you, ness, look, you got to give me an hour. I’ll text you. I gotta talk to so and so we got to get him that. We got to see what’s going on. Obviously, you’ve seen him. I know what, you know. I get it, you know, hold it an hour, right? I mean, there’s reasonable possibilities of why you would do something like that, you know. And but the

Nestor Aparicio  01:52

journalist in me there, in the moment is, why am I here if I’m not reporting this, and I know they’re gonna lie to me, and they threw me out of the locker room, I understand, literally cleaned out the locker room in a weird way, right? That led me to believe, and I knew it was going on. What are three people tell me what I’m offering is I witnessed

Bill Cole  02:09

what was going in a in a place where they are trying to control every message like it leaves room for things to get handled poorly, right? Whereas a cooperative relationship might lead to better results. Same thing with the Tucker thing. Like, I’m not looking for them to completely dissect it, to get on the moral high ground. They’re the football team. Let’s ask then this is all I want them to say. Is this is horrible. It’s being investigated. He’s not on our team anymore. Like we’re not going to talk about it any more than that, but you know, here’s what it was, here’s what we know, here’s what’s happening. Moving on.

Nestor Aparicio  02:46

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That’s different than the banners full of shit. And we’re totally they’re making things up. I did not make up the ambulance thing. It actually happened. That happened the way it happened. And if they want to come at me, they can’t come at me and say, We don’t trust Nestor. What report the truth you So you want me to cover the truth up. So January 9, you get this tip, right? At what point do you as the journalist play the bill Cole role of well, let’s call the source. Let’s call Justin Tucker and ask him whether he actually did this or not, or his represent. Because this is what he’s asking you to do as a journalist, right? Because you’re calling around the internet. I’ve had, by the way, Julie sharper, if you want to hear her whole thing at length, just put it up in Baltimore positive and you can sit for 45 minutes and hear the more esoteric parts that she went through, which was one led to another. There was a Facebook group she went out and said they went to a massage Facebook group said, has anybody massaged ravens players that has anything they’d like to tell us, like, literally, and the wood it came out of the woodwork. This is during the period where they’re still in the playoff hunt, right? Yeah, they’re in the playoffs back to January.

Chris Korman  03:57

Yeah, we went to the Ravens. If I had a calendar in front of me, I’d be able to tell you the exact date. But once we talked to the women, you know, once we had talked to the women and corroborating sources and two of the spa Well, we talked to more than two spa owners, but two spa owners confirmed that they had, they they had stopped booking him, you know, they had banned him from using their facilities. So once we had that in a really good spot, right? I did not feel comfortable going to the Ravens who are Justin Tucker’s employer, and telling them many details early, right? You know, what if? What if we decide that the women are not credible? What if, you know, what if the story doesn’t go through? Now, all the sudden, we’ve told Chad Steele like we heard this and we’re not going to end up publishing it. So once we knew that, we felt like the story was solid and we had talked it through with our lawyer and we had the good sourcing, we went to the ravens and I also went to Justin’s agent. And we, and my message was, we need to talk to Justin Tucker, right? Like Justin Tucker is being accused of some things that he needs to hear, and he needs a chance to answer the accusers.

Nestor Aparicio  05:15

That is the journalistic responsibility that he later Okay, right?

Chris Korman  05:19

So, so we went and, and, I mean, what they will say, their criticism is that I gave the Ravens a pretty tight deadline, you know, I said, like, you have 24 hours or whatever. And they said, Oh, that’s not enough time. And I said, You, I just asking you to connect me with, like, you could just give me a cell phone number right now, and I will call him. I had the whole time you could, you could arrange a meeting, you know, we could meet with him, whatever. But I knew in the back of my head that he needed to hire a lawyer, right? Like, that’s, that’s always where this was going to go is that he was, he needed to find a representative, if he didn’t have one already. And so I was, you know, I pressured the Ravens. I said, Hey, like, we need to, we need to talk to Justin like, this needs to happen. And then I asked them two questions, like, did they know about it, and did it violate their zero tolerance policy? And that was it, you know, and they, they never answered those questions. And we eventually were connected with Justin’s lawyers, and so the process worked. But you know, by my, by my take, you know, we

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Nestor Aparicio  06:21

day before, three days before you published in that, that we, I mean,

Chris Korman  06:26

it took the lawyers, I think they wrote, they wrote to us the for the first time, like, Tuesday afternoon.

Nestor Aparicio  06:32

And then what did they write? Do you didn’t have the story to them. You just said, no, no, stuff,

Chris Korman  06:37

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yeah, and they were, and, you know, the Ravens were asking, like, can you give us details? And I said again, like, no. Like, this is for Justin Tucker. This like, these are allegations against your employee. Like, I don’t want to tell his bosses what what happened? Like, I just want to be connected.

Nestor Aparicio  06:52

Billy’s a boss of people. We appreciate that.

Bill Cole  06:54

Yeah. I mean, it makes a ton of sense. Yeah, one clarifying question. So the pressure around the time. Where does that come from? Just because you don’t want the info to get stale, you want to get it out. You want to be first. You’re like, where’s your obligation? Or where do you Yeah, innovation from

Chris Korman  07:12

there. I don’t think we were under any I don’t think anyone else was after the story. We just wanted, you know, Justin to be able to like we, we wanted them to realize, like, Hey, this is serious, like we, this is a like, this is we’re not asking because we want to write about, well,

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Bill Cole  07:27

there’s change. My sense is there has to be some sort of obligation. Like, you became aware of something, you did your homework. Now, you know this to be pretty credible, right? I need to communicate it to someone, and in your case, it’s you know, anyone that can read it, you’ve already communicated to the employer. You’re attempting to communicate to the actual person, right? So there’s some moral obligation, right? We never

Chris Korman  07:50

would have, we never would have written a story if we didn’t hear from Justin, like, you know, not to say, like, we weren’t going to let him not respond to us, right? We were going to get he could have said no comment, but, you know, we had to find a way to talk to people around Justin Tucker that we’re not his employer. Yeah. And, you know, and, and it is a

Nestor Aparicio  08:12

very Is it the bouncer of the ravens, right? The president of the Ravens or the head coach? That doesn’t, and was not a part of the story,

Chris Korman  08:19

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really. And look, their their strategy, which I get, is that they’re gonna they were trying to buy time, right? They were off, you skating. They were like, Oh, well, you know. And then Justin hired a crisis. PR, here’s

Nestor Aparicio  08:30

where trust comes in, Bill. I mean, everything that they do on the other side can’t be trusted. And that wasn’t true 30 years ago when you and I started to build a little radio thing here together. You know, like it’s the world’s different in that way. I just want people to understand what you’re going through. Just to report something pretty awful thing that, you know, that went down here, you know,

Chris Korman  08:52

yeah, and so he hired a woman who, you know, it’s, again, it’s her job to sort of slow play the story and give just in time to figure out what he wants to do. And so I’m talking with her, and she’s asking for more details, and she’s saying, Well, what about this? What about that? And, you know, I’m like, again, we don’t need if you’re representing Justin Tucker. And the way, I thought she was representing Rob Roche, his agent at first, and then she finally said, Well, Justin hired me, So, but, but again, like, I get it right, that’s the game. Like we knew that that’s how this would unfold. We have lawyers. Like we were consulting lawyers as well. You know, this is so. So they were, they worked through it. And, you know, I think we, what it really was, is like, Hey, can you send us the allegations? And so we wrote the allegations down so that they were very clear, and Justin could really understand what was being said. And we sent that document to the lawyers, and they sent us back another letter, and frankly, Justin did not have anything to say about any of the allegations. You know, we went piece by piece by piece, and what supposedly happened is. Uh, what the women said happened? And they the lawyer, they just didn’t respond.

Nestor Aparicio  10:05

I just think the only thing that was said was an attack on the journalists, and who did it, who did the story? And I thought that that’s a that’s a different way to go about this, other than I’m innocent and I’ll prove it. You know what I mean, not those dirty journalists. And I that’s where the fake news and the Trumpism in the last 10 years of the world just denies all of this. But then, after you write the first piece, it was a whole wave of other women that came

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Bill Cole  10:33

forward, and I’m sure so that’s why you’re here. When you go to him, how would it have gone differently. If the response you got was, those are serious misrepresentations of what actually happened. I deny all of that. You know, you need to hear my side of the story, just from that. Like, if that’s what they said, how does that, how does your process change? Yeah, well, I

Chris Korman  10:59

mean, that’s essentially what he said, overall, right? And then we said, hey, can we dig in, like, can you help us understand? Like you went to, oh, just spa on in this month. That’s all this therapist you you want to explain to it, like your memories. And he essentially declined, you know, he just did not get into the so

Bill Cole  11:16

that makes sense. So they come back. How is it that

Nestor Aparicio  11:19

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you wound up at 16 different plate or 28 different places getting massage? Like that’s not even normal.

Bill Cole  11:27

Again, I didn’t need to read the story. I made my decision

Nestor Aparicio  11:31

on the headline. I already know. Like I’m

Bill Cole  11:33

I’m just assuming who writes that they didn’t do their homework,

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Nestor Aparicio  11:37

didn’t read the story. Who are asking he nasty. Is it true? They want me to play, like, the play that, like I’m the judge or the jury. And I would always say, I always say, always read the story, right? Read the story and decide for yourself. Subscribe and read.

Bill Cole  11:55

There you go. And not, not to undermine that concept, because they should subscribe and read. I agree, but like, where’s the motivation to do that,

Nestor Aparicio  12:04

to know the truth? No, no, you want to talk to me about it without knowing anything? Why would someone on me in 30 seconds? Why would somebody 16 women that it took them 10,000 words, Lord knows, how many lawyers

Bill Cole  12:16

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I know? Why would someone write a hit piece on Justin Tucker. He’s at the prior to this. He’s questionably Cal Ripken right, like he means right below Cal Ripken and Ray. Look, he’s like in that next group come maybe pushing that group right if none of this ever goes down. So why would anybody do that right as a hit piece? So that didn’t, you know, like, there was no concern on my part. Like this, this is just more typical NFL player activity. Like, I honestly, the owner of one of the other teams has the same problem, true. Like, like, I don’t know, maybe they talk about it at orientation. Make sure you go to these places. Here’s how you handle this. I don’t know, you know? I mean, it’s just, I get it so. So

Nestor Aparicio  13:10

from the league perspective, you write one, story two, story 316, is the number as predicted by me. They were gonna cut him and go the other way and run the other way and blame football and do all of that. They’re still pretending who’s a football decision there, and they have their cover on all that with loop and all of that. What happened in the aftermath of all of this, like in regard to your reporting, because it feels, I don’t say, anticlimactic now that I’m sitting with you and that I had Julian five, six months ago, April, March, whatever it was, you wrote these three stories. They ran the league, ran. The NFL came and said, We’re gonna invent and then we’re gonna next week. That’s kind of how it went

Chris Korman  13:55

down. But they did. They did suspend him for 10 games, and they and they used, I mean, very crucially, what I think was most validating for our investigative process is that they came in and they basically repeated what we did. You know, we know, because we’re in touch with the women. So their investigators came in, they found our reporting very credible, and then the NFL suspended him 10 games, which is more than the baseline, right? And so they used in the in the aftermath of Deshaun Watson, the NFL made a new rule that if, if there was basically predatory, a pattern of predatory behavior, that they could go more than six games. And so this wasn’t a one off mistake, right? It’s not in misunderstanding. It’s not that punching your wife

Nestor Aparicio  14:41

once in a glass elevator, lying about it for six months, right? That sort

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Chris Korman  14:45

of thing. Yeah. So they, they use that and found that there was, you know, that level, and they escalated it. And so, I think, you know, like,

Nestor Aparicio  14:56

if there is such a thing as guilty in the court of public opinion, right? He’s guilty in the eyes of his employer after right?

Chris Korman  15:02

And they, you know, and he, what he said, and which some other reporters have carried water on, is that, oh, he just wanted to, he didn’t want to carry out. He didn’t want the process to keep going. He wanted to be able to have a chance to come back. What actually happens if he had appealed is that he does a trial, and the results of that trial become public, and then the NFL can basically put things on the record. Okay,

Nestor Aparicio  15:25

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say that again. Whoa. The NFL is not gonna let that happen either.

Chris Korman  15:29

No, they it’s CBA mandated, sure, but I’m

Bill Cole  15:32

saying nobody in let’s say this again,

Nestor Aparicio  15:36

that if Justin Tucker wanted to prove his innocence, he could have said, I’m not taking that 10 game suspension, correct. I am as innocent and those muckraker, awful journalistic tabloid, awful people, I’m right. Money, money, money. I’m Justin Tucker. I’m gonna get my name clean, right, right? Yeah, there

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Chris Korman  15:58

would have been a do that. There would have been a private, you know, I think I’m forgetting her name. She’s a New Jersey, former New Jersey state judge, surelle Miller, I think, and but she did this for Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson took it this far. So there is a document

Nestor Aparicio  16:12

fell abroad industry she was involved in, like child trafficking. She’s a serious, legit, she’s legit

Chris Korman  16:18

So, and there’s a 16 page document out there from Deshaun Watson, and that’s, you know, and it basically says, like, this is what we found, and we found the women to be credible. So that document would have been produced for just, just so that hasn’t, that was not produced, no, right? It only happens if you, if you appeal, and then, and it’s CBA mandated, the the appeal, it process, right? Like, what you go through, and then that document gets created. So Justin,

Nestor Aparicio  16:45

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so you want to world will see that, right, correct, correct, okay, yeah, or your guilt, whatever it

Chris Korman  16:52

is, right, right, right. So, so that you know there may be some truth to the fact that he just thinks that he’ll get a job later this year, I tend to think he might too. Oh, I think you’ll kick again. Yeah, we’re all agreement

Nestor Aparicio  17:03

on that, right? Billy,

Bill Cole  17:05

uh, I the part of the story that I need to follow up on is, like, where are the civil suits, or any of that kind

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Chris Korman  17:10

of stuff? No, no civil suits. I mean, there’s nothing. There’s basically the statue, right? Ran out so,

Bill Cole  17:16

so he, every

Nestor Aparicio  17:18

lawyer told me there’d be no money for these women, right? There’s no glory there.

Bill Cole  17:21

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So he doesn’t need my question would be motivation for the money. But if he’s not, you know,

Nestor Aparicio  17:29

talk to Julie. Were motivated by having their truth told they were

Chris Korman  17:33

not, yeah, and just and making it

Nestor Aparicio  17:36

clear, lawyer ever said you’re gonna get a bag of cash

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Bill Cole  17:39

out of I wasn’t implying that you asked me whether he’s going to kick it’s a natural

Nestor Aparicio  17:48

money well, I mean, I like, I walk the streets of the city, and I I smell the ignorance on this topic, but the love of the ravens and the love of the team and the love of Justin Tucker and the love of royal farms chicken and love all that. But nobody we even wanted to take 25 minutes to read three stories. And then the outcome of all of this is four months after they cut him, we’re here. We’re kicking off in Buffalo soon, if you haven’t heard and this thing has been washed over, covered over. Tucker has his money. These women got nothing. They didn’t even kept their anonymity. You got your clicks in your little publication and the paywall and all that. And Tucker can come back and kick in week 11 and there is no trial. There’s no right day, like all, he always just face the media in Green Bay as their December kicker or wherever. You’ll be right, right? That he will get a job and it’ll just be and that’s it, and they could bring him in and Ring of Honor him, which they will do, right?

Chris Korman  18:46

Seems likely, and it’ll be like, to your point, the women do feel like, I mean, some of them thought that the punishment was not enough, but some of them also felt like, Hey, this is like, we wanted people to know that it’s not okay to do this, but the you know, we don’t want this to happen to other women, you know. So we want a public spotlight on and could it have been a more public spotlight? Probably, but as I said, it was the most

Nestor Aparicio  19:12

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journalism, and I want your lawyers on it, and I need the banner to be successful. And you should probably subscribe and support this, because it just, you know, journalism dies in darkness, right? And in the light is where we all like to live. And I’m just, I’m blown away. And I had our senator on, Chris Van Hollen, 10 days ago, talking about journalism and being the most difficult job in the world, the most dangerous job in the world and all that. This is just the kicker on the team, being potentially a serial predator over the course of a decade, and these women having to bite the rope, shut up, not tell anybody. Their bosses told them, Hey, man, we can’t get into it with the Ravens. I’m not you know, we have 10 other guys from there to come in here. We get like there’s just all of that, how big and bad the ravens are. And if you go down the road to that scumbag down in DC who ran that football team in a very similar fashion, forever and ever and ever, and they could not get him, only Jimmy Irsay was the one to stand up, the late great Jimmy Irsay to say that’s unacceptable, and I’m not that we’re gonna find that unacceptable, if that’s what he’s doing to his cheerleaders and to the women that work for him in executive roles. So that went on down there. This is to your point as a fan, you’re like, you tell me anything after Deshaun Watson, right?

Bill Cole  20:36

Oh, it was before Deshaun. What was it? Was like Ray Carruth. For me, I think that was the one that locked it, you know, like, Okay, I don’t know. I not to take it too high up a level, but like, the deterioration of, sort of our institutions and our inability to find credibility in any of the information, this is just another exhaustion coming in. It’s not it’s, it’s, it’s every aspect, yeah, I mean, you know, covid just accelerated all that, because now no one is, you know, in person with other people, they’re only reading information off their telephones or whatever. So

Nestor Aparicio  21:16

amazing thing though, in our world now is every Monday, the Monday after the Ravens bills game, there will be John Harbaugh’s the Buffalo Bills fans will get a hold of an AI it and turn his press conference into something it wasn’t. And if you are a dumbass and you can’t see lips that move wrong and can’t really you have to become an AI identifier. I had to do this for certain relatives of mine, that when they were doing the Russian republic times in 2015 that was coming onto my timeline, that was me written in Russian code. And I love Mr. Trump. Miss Hillary, bad she eat pizza with bad people. And I would see this stuff, and I would say to my, you know, relatives who fought in Vietnam like, you do know this is an American Right? Like this is very this an obvious tell, the AI part of making stuff scary, man. I mean, you could bake up a video Ray Rice punching his wife in a glass elevator and say it’s real if it was fake. You know, I don’t even know where that is, but we’re into a different place here, where disbelief of truth and of 16 women and of real journalism, there’s a whole group out there that still really want to believe Justin Tucker and are going to sit in that stadium two weeks from now, and because they didn’t read it, they don’t know to read it. They don’t know if it’s credible or not. Still think Let’s cheer him when he comes back for the Ring of Honor, because he got a raw deal right, that that’s gonna live forever, that that’s the way it’s gonna be, I think.

Bill Cole  22:47

But yeah, the challenge for me is where I, like admitted earlier, that I take my morals and stick them in a bag and put them in the closet so it allows me to keep rooting for the team. So to try and make me feel better about that, like, doesn’t everybody have a bad egg? Or, you know, isn’t there, like, these, these, does that mean that you have to,

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Nestor Aparicio  23:10

yeah, I guess the question is, how does the team supposed to react, you know, during this, I mean, art modell helped fund Ray Lewis’s lawyer and went on his behalf. And, you know, we’re in a different era where those relationships are that Steve Bisciotti didn’t want to stand in front of Ray Rice. He doesn’t want to stand in front of the media. Now, since Ray Rice to even answer these questions at the top of the top, accountability, whether you’re the same racers, whether you’re Mike Elias, whether you’re David Rubenstein, accountability is completely optional. It’s

Bill Cole  23:45

the same it’s literally the same thing. I just said, Oh man, I’m so happy I bought the Ravens. I’m the owner of the Ravens. This is the greatest thing ever, except it’s not when you have to then take your morals and put them in a bag and put them in the closet, because these are the players that you’re employing. And you don’t know for sure, right, on draft day, or, you know, the third year in, whether the guy’s gonna fall off the deep end or make some bad choices. I mean, they’re 21 year old kids, right? Some percentage of them are guaranteed to make a stupid decision. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  24:15

this guy’s got thrown out of Virginia for, let’s see, assaulting a woman this. I did it twice. Let’s draft him in a second round. He’s got a four two, I mean, but this is what this is. We’re laughing about it, but you’re all cheering, but

Bill Cole  24:28

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that’s the owner. That’s what I’m saying. Even the owner doesn’t want to stand in front of him, because he has to swallow that same thing, right? He has to swallow that same thing. There’s like, I shouldn’t tolerate this. If I don’t tolerate this, we’re gonna lose. Then all of a sudden, I’m gonna lose money, and the fans don’t want us to lose and

Nestor Aparicio  24:46

blah blah. You know, Chris Corman’s here from the banner, Bill Cole I have managed people All right, so I’ve had lawsuits. I’ve had police at my door. I’ve had

Chris Korman  24:57

Who are you managing?

Bill Cole  24:59

It’s. It was sports related.

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Nestor Aparicio  25:03

I had sponsors call the mean. See, did you hear what they said, or did, or worse yet, somebody told me You said blank. This is in the era where we just did live radio, and there’s not like aI evidence of all of this back in the hump and Howie days of coverney Orioles back in the Critics Choice DJ days. So I guess what’s the worst thing anybody’s ever accused an employee of yours of doing, and the minute you knew that this person pissed off somebody’s roof into a flower plant, you fired his ass or her ass, because I had to take some people into the basement. Fire them for making black jokes on my air, right? You’re fired, dude. There’s not going to be I heard it on the way down Hart road. Your ass is out of here. And they were welcomed at 1057, the fan but, but I’m saying, and I didn’t go to the paper and say I fired that person for saying stupid stuff on the radio. But I had to do that. I had to do that right, like there is a point where, like, I couldn’t tolerate it. I didn’t want to tolerate it. I ran an animal house here for years, doing sports radio, let alone what people could call and get away with saying through a seven second delay. You know what they say on Twitter boards now, or what they say on Reddit or whatever? Just in a general sense, when you employ people, and you employed reporters who came to you and said, Justin Tucker could be a predator, we got a story, we better make sure it’s true, dude, you know what I mean? That’s part of built into you, and it’s built into me by John Steadman and Bob Paston and Jack Gibbons and anyone that ever employed me. Is that like that is it’s probably why you and Howard, even though you hate me half the time you love me is because, you know, I’m not gonna lie to you, and my whole background is backing up guys like this on what is true and what’s not. So. As an employer, bad things happen with employees. They do. You have to do something

Bill Cole  26:54

they do, and you have to, you know, have a very clear understanding of what you tolerate, what you don’t, what what’s the mean?

Nestor Aparicio  27:01

Either way you’re accountable, your name’s on the side, correct? The

Bill Cole  27:04

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trick is to make everyone else accountable as well, right? So, so we don’t have a guy peeing off the side of a roof because the other 14 guys that are with him won’t let that right? Won’t allow that to happen. So, and that doesn’t happen overnight, right? Like that

Nestor Aparicio  27:22

did ever happen in your 30 years you saw, we’ve, there’s no crazy. I

Bill Cole  27:26

mean, I’m, we’re commercial roofers, guys like, no one raises their hand coming out of high schools, like, I want to be a Commercial Roofer. Like that isn’t how it works, right? We’re a second chance employer. Third chance employer. I mean, we, we have to put people to work. We give them we have to give them opportunities to try and rebuild their lives like that’s that’s what we do, but we surround them with other guys who have been there, right? This guy got out of jail 10 years ago.

Nestor Aparicio  27:52

My point is accountability. If somebody does piss off a roof, you got to stand up to whoever the crew is. When there’s video with a guy pissing off the roof, in front of the cold

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Bill Cole  28:02

roof. We do. We do pretty extensive onboarding, but I cannot list all of the scenarios that where you need to make a good decision in I rely on everybody else on the team to be telling those stories, monitoring everybody is

Nestor Aparicio  28:16

the guy owns a billion dollar football team and a guy who’s got $100 million in the bank. You’re supposed to be a leader and a man of God, and the people around there who take 10s of millions of dollars in the community to just be accountable that if their kicker is doing this stuff, they would stand on the side of the women, right? That’s all I’m asking. That if they know it to be true, and you know it to be true that the guy pissed off the roof, you’d at least say that’s wrong. We shouldn’t do that. My name’s on it. Bad. Bad thing to happen, not if you’re a billionaire, run off your golf course and to try to intimidate me at an owner’s meeting, while you send other bullies down the hallway to try to make sure the next time this story happens, those banner guys will think twice before they report something like that. That’s an insane proposition. I think if you want accountability from any level of anything in this world, I mean totally

Bill Cole  29:07

fair position to I think it’s a totally fair position. I will leave room, right? And we’ll never get it to understand why he feels like he doesn’t have to do that. Because I would just want to hear that. Tell me why this is okay because I’m with you 100% and I don’t want you to come in and against the bills or our first home game. It’s the you know, support, the women you know fund that they started off. I don’t want I don’t want that. I want him to stand there and say, This is unacceptable. Here’s the steps we took, you know, I apologize. We didn’t know blah, blah, blah,

Nestor Aparicio  29:41

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whatever, whatever. We broke massage in house in 2000 but we didn’t know anything about it, whatever

Bill Cole  29:46

it is. I think, I think your position is very fair to state accountability. I leave room for them to tell us one day why they don’t feel obligated to do that. Maybe there’s something that we don’t know. Maybe we, I don’t know. I’ll just leave room for it. I don’t think there’s likely a good reason, but it’s okay. I’ll leave room for

Chris Korman  30:05

it. Curiosity is good. I mean, right? You know, wondering why? Yeah, I think all, you know, all of them, right? Like, Justin himself, like, what if Justin Tucker just come out and said, Yeah, you know, I, I made these, you know, what are mistakes? And I done. I was young. I am, yeah, and I thought, I thought I could get away

Nestor Aparicio  30:26

the one stroking the check, not just to these women and their foundation, but I’m going to come right, because I got 70 million. Can totally

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Bill Cole  30:33

use the same story that every one of us will buy when you are elite and you grow up in the world, you are not held accountable. All of a sudden, you find yourself 23 years old, millions of dollars in your pocket, and no one’s ever held you accountable to anything in your whole life, right? So I thought it has

Chris Korman  30:52

a very privileged background, too. I can do whatever I want. I didn’t know that about him. Oh, yeah, his dad’s a heart surgeon, okay, yeah, that’s why he ended up in one of the preeminent

Nestor Aparicio  31:01

Yeah, I didn’t know that part of his Texas, yeah. I mean, I’ve spent time with him. I thought he was an arrogant dick, but I didn’t know why. I thought it’s because he could kick Yeah, I never thought it was a good feel

Bill Cole  31:12

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like, that used to be the plan too. There’s never was, like, just apologize day one. Like, that’s the fastest

Nestor Aparicio  31:20

way every lawyer I talked to in the aftermath. PR, expert, yeah, you were even to 16 when it got to seven. By the time it got to 16, I’m on the phone with my real counselor. He’s real attorneys, buddies of mine, and they’re all like, I would have gotten a hold of him the first day and just said, I’m dumb. I want to meet these women privately. I want to apologize to them. I want to apologize to my wife. I’m going to do this and that I’m going to rehab, I’m going to go to counseling, whatever, and he’d be kicking for the Ravens on Monday night.

31:50

I don’t know about that,

Chris Korman  31:52

but seeing Tyler loop, right? Tyler loop kicks hard. He’s not 36 the leg is young and fresh on Tyler

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Bill Cole  32:02

loops. I can’t imagine the emotional scars that he’s walking around with, right? Because he didn’t have that moment of clarity and stand in front of everyone and confess your sins. And you know what I mean, everyone just allow this to give. I mean, that’s yeah, he’s gonna have to do something, right? Right? At some point you you have to come out. And I don’t know, talk to somebody about something, right? So

Chris Korman  32:25

it seems like he’ll just deny, deny, deny. I mean, it seems that’s where that’s

Nestor Aparicio  32:28

gonna be the easiest thing for him. Yeah,

Bill Cole  32:32

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don’t you believe just in the world that that leads to, like, a sooner grave like to carry that you have to

Nestor Aparicio  32:39

leave? Do you have to leave? You guys? Because I want to do a little baseball. We can do that right now, a

Chris Korman  32:44

little bit Sure, just say, a little bit longer.

Nestor Aparicio  32:47

And Chris Corbin is here from the Baltimore banner. Bill Coco roofing. Howard share is going to sit in. I got people. John Eisenberg coming by.