Longtime Baltimore Sun columnist and author of a book on the history of the Orioles – and many other things – John Eisenberg discusses a new era of Baltimore Orioles baseball with the ownership of David Rubenstein and how it can lift the city.
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SPEAKERS
John Eisenberg, Nestor J. Aparicio
Nestor J. Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home we are W and S T, Towson Baltimore. And Baltimore positive. We’re getting Marilee crabcake tore back out on the road. It has been a short February even though it’s an extra day. We did the a couple of Super Bowl and the crabcake row promotion with our charities and communities. And then I sort of like took a little time off to sort of as we St. Dundalk marinate on exactly what’s happened with Oriole baseball in recent weeks. This is the week and the time and it’s my dad’s birthday. As we record this today, on March the fifth would have been his 105th birthday, I’m re releasing my 2006 book on my father’s love of baseball in my love of baseball and really how it built the company. And I’ve been chasing down people this week just I took a list back it’s Super Bowl week. It took a couple of weeks down and make things easy. And I’m like who are people I want to talk to you about the history of Oriole baseball, the future of royal baseball, and people were invested in this and so amongst many people John ran join us this week. Rick Vaughn is joining us this week. I am pleased and kind of apologetic that I’m not buying him a crab cake at Pappas this time. But it is always a pleasure to have John Eisenberg one of my mentors and friends in the and also colleague of the great Jim Hedeman, who’s having the press box named after him in late April. I might be in that press box if they expedite the sale who knows? John Eisenberg has written books on the Orioles and on horse racing and on Iron Man and most recently on black quarterbacks and the lack of black quarterbacks in history. The National Football League. He’s always pimping a book. He’s writing a book that’s so secretive. He won’t even tell me what it’s I hope it’s not about me. And my work in the FBI in the French Foreign Legion. John, how are you what’s going on? Happy spring training to you, whatever you’re celebrating at this point. I know you and Rick and your whole family. You’re like real Oriole fans, even though you’re Texas blood. You’re you’re like really digging this whole thing. And you and I haven’t spoken a word about David Rubenstein at all. But I think that’s about to begin right now. Yeah,
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John Eisenberg 01:56
yeah, it’s, it’s pretty phenomenal. And Devin, very definitely. I mean, I’m I’m retired from the daily sports writing here, but I’m still doing I live here and, and, you know, I had a season ticket package at 1.5 or 10 years ago and my whole family, their fans, listen, my, I’ll tell you something. Yesterday, my daughter son in law and two grandchildren are in Sarasota today. So
Nestor J. Aparicio 02:22
celebrating my father’s birthday was Mario PaySimple magic. I like it. They are fans.
John Eisenberg 02:26
So it’s so what,
Nestor J. Aparicio 02:29
8you know, I don’t want to get too crazy. What does all this mean? John? You know, like, if you’re compromising about all of this, what what’s your cuz I’m trying to put it in perspective for me. You know, I rereleased the Peter principles last month, because I feel like it’s over. I wrote it, I want to get it out there and let people know where we came from what they’ve routed, so I know where we came from. I had a guy from the banner call me the day after the sale. Back in January, I’m sitting at the Apple store my issues at work. And he’s like, Hey, can you talk to me and I got him on the phone. I said, Look, I don’t mean and he was a former Sungai. And I don’t know how old he was. And I got about five minutes in this. I said, Dude, how old are you? He said 38. And I’m like, oh, like you don’t have any perspective on the day. And you were eight years old. Today. Angeles bought the team. So like you want. So he’s asking me, I said, Are you looking for a quote? Are you looking for what really happened? Like, if you look at what really happened, I wrote a book. You go check it out. But then I wrote a book on my father and our love of baseball. And I’m releasing that. And I’m wondering what the next thing is because I’m 55. And I’ve lived through these errors. And Stephen l miles always told me today I did the walk out and six he was there in case I got arrested. He said to me, you’re going to outlive him. Don’t worry, you’ll outlive him. I got perspective on this. And I’m thinking to myself, there have been times where I wonder whether this was ever going to happen or not. But the day after this happened, I started to think about because I had never thought about him not owning a deep it felt like a Castro Cuba, or like thinking about Putin not being in Russia anymore. At this point. You’re like, that’s never gonna happen. But it always happens. It’s just a patient’s
John Eisenberg 04:04
right. Well, the day after it happened. You know, I mean, I felt all it was, I felt it was coming. I felt the sales team was coming. I thought for financial reasons. It was a few years away. I was surprised at the timing, I was glad to see that they figured out a way to do it sort of like what Bishop Steve Ashada he did with our ngModel you know, and stairstep the thing over a period of years back in the early 2000s what Steven art did, and so the way they rolled it out, it made it so that Rubinstein even though he’s not the majority owner financially, immediately, he’s the principal guy, he’s taken over the team. And so the Angelo says we’re able to maintain that, you know, all the all the stuff with the taxes and and they were able to get what they wanted out of it and everybody else was able to get what we wanted out of it, which was new ownership. And so it’s pretty amazing that they you know that they will Well, they found a path through all that stuff because it’s fairly complicated. And it’s unbelievable. I mean, my, I think it’s unbelievable. It’s so good for the fans. It’s so good for the city. You know, the Angelo’s tenure and I was here, I’ve been here for all of it. And you know, it’s a lot of losing baseball, a little bit of winning. And I will give John Angelo’s credit on, you know, his last major Act was hired Mike Elias, and these guys, and they’ve done an unbelievable thing, he stayed out of the way, I don’t think Peter would have done it, he stayed out of the way. And really great things have happened. And they’ve set this franchise up nicely to succeed on the field, which is cool. So but the ownership change, of course, changes everything and how they do business, how they interact with the city, how they interact with the fans, how they develop the area around Camden Yards. It’s just a sea change. And I for one, just love it. I love I love, you know, put in the hands of a guy that and we’ll see how he is as an owner, right? I mean, but it’s, it’s, it’s gonna be I mean, he’s, he’s already interacting with people on Twitter, and it’s just a whole nother world. And I for one, it’s like, when’s the parade?
Nestor J. Aparicio 06:08
Well, I had Rick Vaughn on and his first thing was, hey, I, I remember we wanted Angeles. We had Eli Jacobs. He’s totally right. Right. And, and he said, It took him a month and Lucchino had been thrown out already. I mean, it was just it was bad faith. The Angelo’s the legacy of the Angelo’s family, to me, will be bad faith, they lied. They were not honorable. They were not trustworthy. They were they were not honest. People. They were not people of integrity. And that became very apparent very early on very, it’s like the creep running for president. Like, if you haven’t figured it out by now, I guess you won’t figure it out. But a lot of good people left and went and Larry went to San Diego’s got a fistful of rings Boston, like even To wit, who put the money up I got screwed that almost nobody’s reported that but me in the Peter principles, and I found that after Joe fosse 20 years later, but you know, de WITTs gone out and gotten rings, and St. Louis and castleblayney got his thing, and Cincinnati, the people that really were involved in this thing, 30 years ago, what do you expect? When will you know, it’s changed? And this the question for me, like, I would change, if I’m sitting in the press box, like literally three very obvious for me, like, let me do my job. I will say, Hey, these are different kinds of people than what we had here before. But How will anybody else know?
John Eisenberg 07:27
I think what you’ll know, almost right away, and it’s like, to me, any owners, any owner, across the spectrum of sports, it’s not just this case, is, you know, the best owners know, they know what they don’t know. And so and that, and that, that is that, that keeps him from impacting the on field product, which they shouldn’t they’re the owners of occasionally, the owner doesn’t need to step in and make a move of some kind fire the football coach in the NFL or whatever, or bring to bear what caused them to be the the qualities that caused them to be that wealthy, maybe there’s something positive they can add to it. But generally speaking, and certainly in baseball, where there’s so much research and development, and you need so much patience, and there’s so much money that flies out the window, you’re really better off if you know what you don’t know, which is a lot when it comes to how to put together a baseball team. I don’t care who you are taking over as an owner. You don’t know what what it takes. And so we’ll know right away if he says, I’m just gonna let these guys do their thing like they’ve been doing. They’re already doing great. And he sticks to my that. End of story. End of story.
8Nestor J. Aparicio 08:39
John Eisenberg is here. He is still writing and doing things and authoring even though he’s not a ravens.com anymore, or the Baltimore Sun, you can find him, you can find him on Twitter and on social media opining and working on great writings of writing that the takeover of this and I go back to the motel Bushati thing was very subtle, right in the beginning, David not there. They brought into cash who was Jerry Jones’s guy, and it became very corporate and then bill, it got the WAM pretty quickly, you know, a couple three years in the shot. He’s like, I want a different guy. And he’s got his guy and he’s, it feels like John and Eric have jobs for life at this point. But it was a very subtle, sort of and nothing was broken PSL is we’re all sold tickets were all sold. bellick was the coach Ray Lewis was in Ray mode. Suggs was in Suggs mode. Greed was here. It was like all of that. This is a little different, I think, from how the community has been treated and and John, I’ve said this out loud a couple of times, and I’ll admit it to you. I said to my wife, about two days after the sale back in January, I’m like, I don’t remember ever walking into that stadium and being treated well by anybody. Like it’s been so long. Now. Mike Flanagan treated me well in that period and Oh 304 When he ran the team, but even when he would invite us down as guests or whatever. We are treated like trash. asked by everybody else, because it was, you know, it’s implied you had the mistreat me this before free the birds. I mean, I did free the birds because I was tired to be mistreated. It wasn’t it was it was it wasn’t retaliatory, it was reactive. And but for me like I, I expect Kaos involvement in this and Kurt Schmoke symbol. I don’t know what that means, but it’s gonna look good on the dais at the press conference. But I’m wondering how they find the Gianvito and who they brought in a couple of find a Mr. Big a dick Cass to come in and get back with the community the way Larry did years and years ago for 40 years ago. Now, since they’ve had a figurehead, like literally speak to the community. And I’m speaking to you at a point where Bushati ducks the community that ducks everything about it. Sashi brown hasn’t had a legitimate press conference in the two years he’s on the team, they thrown out a 30 year media member and nobody said a word. I see how these teams operate and what the expectation level was 25 years ago was get out glad hand with David Modell did sell, sell, sell, get get community involvement. In the Orioles, it’s been lacking, it’s been absent for so long, anything that looks like some effort will change from a business perspective about selling tickets, selling boxes, getting people downtown, getting them excited about the team again, the Angeles family didn’t do any of that. And I’m wondering how the business will feel different to the community. And and part of just hanging a new sign up and say it’s new. That’s, that’s great. They’re gonna win. And that’s great. But I just, I think they have a chance to do that massive change in the beginning, because it’s called for here. It shouldn’t be subtle, it should be massive. Well, I
John Eisenberg 11:43
would be careful with where you set your expectations in the sports world of 2024 period, on terms of franchise interaction, and it’s just a different world. And, you know, when I started hanging around the Orioles and came to Baltimore and started going to spring training in 1985, and I think about what it was almost a mom and pop, you know, I mean, they had that little office over there and Memorial Stadium and Helen Conklin, you know, was the secretary and you knew everybody, Bob Browns people, and it was, I felt like there’s like seven people working for him. It was just a little tiny. And it was great. You know, it was a truly a family business. And I think about some of the interviews I’ve had over time, things do change. Like I once I interviewed Carl Jr. About for my oral history that I have the team that I wrote 20 years ago, Cal Jr. About his dad, his dad was spring training. What they do is every year about January February, drive his his a station wagon down and they you know, put all the equipment in the back out of Memorial Stadium and rip SR which is drive down to Florida you know, you know cigarette hanging out you know, put a decal put a decal on the on the, on the side of the station wagon. That was how they got ready for spring training, you know, just put the crap in the backseat drove down there who needed
Nestor J. Aparicio 13:09
Vaughn Paris at that point, right? You didn’t need a flower, you just needed some stationwagon. Right?
John Eisenberg 13:15
8That’s it. That was it. And so and so Carl Jr. Now has that, that institutional memory, but the world if you think about it, from that point in the 60s to the 80s When I walked and it was still a mom and pop, you know, sports has become and it’s no secret to you yesterday, it’s far more corporate, there’s so much more money on the table 50 times more 100 times more. And so that’s just changed how they do business and how they interact. And certainly with the agents, social media, if you
Nestor J. Aparicio 13:45
work for the ravens, and I don’t feel like you were treated well there, you know what I mean? Like you. You are a team spokesperson, employee kind of sort of journalist column is and I don’t know that like that. Everybody there loved you in the locker room or felt like, Hey, I trust John, right. Like, we were still considered intruders?
John Eisenberg 14:04
Oh, well, definitely. Well, that was I mean, that’s a whole nother deal. You know, my situation there for the record treated great at the Ravens by by people. And you know, not everybody
Nestor J. Aparicio 14:15
saw you as I know, for a fact I know what they say behind your back. So you were still a to them. A guy that is a journalist, not a guy who was there. That
8John Eisenberg 14:28
was my goal, our director, right? That’s my goal. That was my goal, and it kind of worked. And so for better or worse, I saw it as an experiment and worked out. Okay. That’s what I wanted. But you’re certainly right, that there were plenty people in the lunch room that would come up to me and say, What, why did you write that for what are you doing here? Right are you doing here? And I said, you know, sometimes I asked myself that same question. But anyway, hopefully writing
Nestor J. Aparicio 14:54
truth because that’s the only reason I haven’t read you, right?
John Eisenberg 14:56
Well, I’ll tell you and we’re getting off subject tear but dig cast, understood, you know, totally understood where my position was was coming from. And so, you know, I felt like he had my back. He really did. But that
Nestor J. Aparicio 15:13
8didn’t mean every young 22 year old player that came in and had an agent though, and a coach had been telling them your rat poison for years. Like, even when you worked on the inside, it did not guarantee like they,
John Eisenberg 15:27
they don’t see those distinctions, honestly, and they just didn’t see it. I you know, they just
Nestor J. Aparicio 15:32
didn’t see when you’re writing and Ray Rice is punching his wife in a glass elevator and they’re trying to cover it up, which they did famously, like, there comes a point where, like, the truth comes out. And then if you’re not telling the truth, you don’t look so good. You know, like, I guess that’s the modern part of media. Um, you know, I’m doing an interview today, John, a young man from the Indianapolis Colts reached to me, it’s, by the way, it’s coming up later this month, right? It’s the anniversary the big one, right for Right. Right. Right. So March 21. Websites doing a thing, and they wanted to talk to me about it. And I saw the young man in Missouri journalism school, all the places I couldn’t get into, you could get into but you’re smarter than me, but like, and what I write for Team websites, because that’s where the jobs are, because they’re like, it’s not really journalism. I’m thinking, you went to school for four years to be a cop and you want to work and on the other side, and I’m thinking to myself, Okay, that’s where we are in with young people at this point. I don’t know what to tell. And I tried to mentor I have Luke here. I hired half my competitors. I don’t know what to tell people in journalism, bro. You know, I really don’t it’s,
John Eisenberg 16:36
it’s tough, because there are there is good sports journalism being done. And there’s lots of it. But you’re right. I mean, the people with the money are the teams, the leagues, and everyone else practically is working nonprofit, you know. So it’s so it’s, it’s tough. It’s not easy, and it doesn’t make me happy. And I feel like I was forced, very fortunate to live through the golden age of newspapers, the golden age of sports media. I mean, the New York Times got rid of the whole sports section. And, and so including some friends of mine, and it’s unfortunate, it’s really unfortunate, because, but there’s still stuff being done. That’s good. It’s just harder and harder to find. Johnny’s works
8Nestor J. Aparicio 17:18
here we meandered off the Orioles and onto the state of media. But that’s I think that’s all part of this is to your point it was down home. It was Vince Bagley after doing a shot at five o’clock and like all of that I don’t know how they reach people in a lacrosse community in a community that you know, African Americans don’t support baseball and have not really been reached, despite whatever the RBI program and Adam Jones maybe Frank Robinson before that would say it hasn’t worked. Whatever they’ve done hasn’t work. What what will work here i and I’ve asked this in a in a bigger picture, because much like me, you’ve been all over the world. You’ve been to every stadium, every event all these Super Bowls, all these things. I’m wondering what the it is right for gambling is a part of this now. And the Atlanta is going to build hotels and have sports spa. Okay, that’s great. What’s the IP for Baltimore? What’s the Gateway Arch? What’s what’s going to other than a good baseball team, and that’s good enough. But what’s what’s going to make that area something that was worth $1.2 billion that we’re giving two of these teams and the Ravens are going to build gold plated toilets and, and have colder beer inside the perimeter and better tasting hotdogs inside. I watched the press conference from the outside, didn’t get to ask any questions, but there’s a lot of money more than it costs for either one of the stadiums, and it’s supposed to do something beyond enrich ownership.
John Eisenberg 18:37
I think in this particular situation with this franchise in this city, you cannot emphasize enough the first thing that has to happen is winning and winning for a little while. A little while because the whole reflex here is the Orioles. You know it’s been really since the late 90s You know I mean buck, show alter. That was a lovely little interlude, which was smoke and mirrors by the way with no, you know, no scouting no players from the Dominican no homegrown players, you know, they some somehow survived put a decent product on the field. Now it’s fun. This is entirely different. I’m talking about a culture of winning, that needs to be established here. And fans, it needs to be something that people here get used to what that means winning a World Series and hasn’t happened since the 80s. I mean, first things first, if you’re going to create something that you’re gonna have it that you’re talking about, well give me some ID you know, give me a World Series give me even just an appearance give me an American League pennant. Give me something that fans could say, Wow, things are really happening because it hadn’t happened. And so you have to give the it is is what we’re doing here. This isn’t the arrow. It’s baseball. You know, you’re giving somebody a win or lose proposition How about winning? Winning is that is the first and I understand the business side. is completely different. And what you have to do there, I think. And in that regard is, it’s a little different, but it’s just sort of a principle of how you go about your business don’t, you know, respect your fans, respect your fans, don’t talk down to your fans. And, you know, treat him with respect. You know, don’t get him in an interview where you say that, you know, your, your primary thing is to concerts, you know, don’t do that. You know, your primary thing is winning, you know, putting a team on the field, that’s what the fans want to see, not the concerts. So the concerts are great, it’s fun, and we’re adding something to whatever oil land is, but winning, you have to start there. And and really, it’s everything that comes after that. First things first, let’s, let’s see what happens here. When you got a really good baseball team for your fears. Like what happened in Atlanta, you know, the Atlanta Braves were not always the standard. But they’ve had so many years of winning, and they’ve become an incredible commodity and good for them. And some best practices that have really paid off. So and that’s on the field and off the field. So you need to replicate some of that here.
Nestor J. Aparicio 21:10
Well, they’re gonna do that, right? They’re gonna win. And I guess, the one thing that that the smart people I talked to is like, well, the first thing these really wealthy guys need to do after they write the check. They’re really wealthy guys, and you got Bloomberg and like all they got 600 million coming in the state, they’re gonna figure out what they’re gonna do. It’s almost a rebate, it’s almost 1/3 rebate off the 1.8 billion, right? Like, as you would see it from a business perspective, they’re going to need to invest two, three $400 million into rutschman. And into Anderson and a couple of these guys so that for the next five years, people can buy a jersey around here. Some Ripken sort of Northstar, even if the kids don’t work out that well, they look at this point, like, it’s different than Chris Davis money. It really is. It’s different than
John Eisenberg 21:51
8they’re 22 years old or homegrown. I mean, it’s completely different. And yes, different than Manny Machado money. And so, yes, you need to you need to sign these guys. That’s that’s the first step. And also, by the way, sign, the guy that put it together. Yeah, let’s make sure that Elias and his crew stays here. They’re pretty good at this. It’s it appears, so let’s see it through don’t let him I was
Nestor J. Aparicio 22:17
always worried about that. I know when you and I got together November promoted your book over Pappas, I was like, man, it’s been five years for him. Like if his contracts up, and there’s not a sale here, he goes out the door, the next owner wouldn’t inherit something that’s so so rich, right? Like part of this, the potentiality. Look, Peter could have dropped that at any point during this thing, right. And, and on a personal level, maybe the next owner would have let me back in 10 years ago to see bad baseball in a bad situation in a burning city in Trump Landia in the middle of COVID, like all of these things that have happened, but this guy is taking the team over when they’re figuring out the media rights. And maybe that’s not a bad thing, you know, trying to maybe there’ll be maybe there’ll be first movers for the whole sport on how they deliver games to me at a reasonable price that I want. And I feel engaged. In other words, they need to rethink the business of what they’re doing. And they need to rethink about why people come to the ballpark, because they’re really not there for the baseball game. Most of the time. At least that’s what my eyes have seen the last 30 years. They’re there for the thing, whatever that is, and they need to make that thing as good as that thing can be
John Eisenberg 23:25
about an app, an app that people actually can use and watch the games. And that’s where it’s all headed is streaming and you know, basically the sport, they’re gonna have to figure it out. But yeah, make it so people can watch the games. So the
Nestor J. Aparicio 23:39
money has fell off the side of truck for all these SOPs with cable television, you know, I mean, like, the dirty thing about Angelo’s, and all of this is that he hated the concept of schmuck would always say he, he hates everything he doesn’t control and abuses everything he does, that would that was schmucks lying to me about Peter, but he hated the concept of the Washington baseball team ever existing. And the fact that it actually happened is the only reason this thing really ballooned to become worth as much as it’s worth to let him hang on, because he wasn’t wealthy enough to hang in without it. And if the Orioles would have tried to operate with that, and they never would have left the team in Washington, he never would have figured this out. It was all that free money that fell off the truck that allowed this to exist the last 1520 years.
8John Eisenberg 24:27
And it’s it’s drying up ticking all the world’s changing, technology is changing, and you got to figure it out. All industries have to constantly evolve. Listen, you’re looking at a dinosaur, you know, the golden age of newspapers. Okay, you better evolve. You’ve
Nestor J. Aparicio 24:44
been you had a digital column for crying out loud. Okay. All right. I
John Eisenberg 24:48
had to evolve. You know, I definitely had to, and the writing itself changed. And so yeah, you better I mean, what I’m saying is the industry that I got into We as a profession and was in and thought I would be in my whole life basically dried up. So revenue streams dried up, things change, you better adjust. And so now it’s baseball’s turn. Okay, you know, the RSN money’s drying up, listen, they’ve got a product people want to watch it, they’ll figure it out, they will figure it out. But you know, they the time is coming and it’s happening right here. It’s happening in Baltimore is, is at you know, people want to watch your games. And if you give an app that doesn’t work, you’re just making them mad. So you know, that’s what I’m talking about going back to respect your fans respect them.
Nestor J. Aparicio 25:39
8John Eisenberg is here. He’s always offered me respect for decades of our sometimes we agree sometimes we don’t agree but that’s what makes it fun. Books. What do you got coming out, John?
John Eisenberg 25:50
Well, nothing new. At this point. I’ve got plenty going on with my two most recent books at football history. You know, the rocket men the book on black quarterbacks came out in the fall I will be appearing at the Annapolis Book Fair and in April and the gaithersburg book fair in May big book fairs big book fairs in Maryland. Looking forward to that. And I like bookfair smart people go there they read a lot. I love book fairs and so those are two good ones. I’ll be appearing I’ll be presenting it both those and the lake Hey, listen, you know I’m right in the middle. I’m trying to see if I can get that thing converted to see it on the screen somewhere. So
Nestor J. Aparicio 26:34
Shawn Eisenberg will go
John Eisenberg 26:36
a long way from that but we’ll see All right, well
8Nestor J. Aparicio 26:39
listen, I’m gonna pick you up and stone Lee and you and I are going to head down York Road properly find our way to Camden Yards at some point watch ballgame together and I might even sit and I might buy you a hotdog in the press box one day so I hope we can do that. By the way their name in the press box after Jim Hanuman anything you wanna say about Jim? And he’s great My
John Eisenberg 26:55
gosh. Well when I saw that I you know I was smile went on my face. I mean, listen, I was there in the press box for however many years for really the wheelhouse of his career. When he was at the evening sun and you know, then he was there for so many years night after night. This is the pre scoring days. This was when he’s a beat guy. And so I can’t tell I was on the road. Countless times had a great time. Nobody knows baseball better. And it’s a cool honor. I was shocked, ducked by I mean but I just
Nestor J. Aparicio 27:27
didn’t it’s almost like the places under new ownership or something when they do things like this right
John Eisenberg 27:31
8it was like they didn’t watch that so I anyway that was that was wow it’s so an old scribe anything you know see these scribes getting honored because listen, you know lists were consigned to the dustbin for the most part sure is nice to see somebody honored for years and part of my
Nestor J. Aparicio 27:48
dustbin. I read too many of your columns to to feel that way. John Eisenberg is here to buy his books. Take good care of if you see a guy walk down the street looks like John Eisenberg at Towson probably is. So we’ll say hello, and up. I always appreciate you thanks for coming on and provide some perspective. And I really do hope to get back down to the ballpark even though I live in Towson now. I’ll make that I don’t mind driving downtown and we’re gonna be doing fakely Friday’s live from two to five every week that they’re home. There’s a home game Luke’s gonna come down and join me for two to three. So we are we’re wrapping ourselves in all the purple and the orange that we can hear as we get into springtime. John, I appreciate you. Thanks for coming on.
John Eisenberg 28:24
All right, my pleasure. Thanks for having me as always, and
Nestor J. Aparicio 28:27
next time I’ll wear my Warren Moon jersey for you because I’d love to like wearing it. I am Nestor. We are WNS TA in 1570, Towson, Baltimore. New ownership, all books being released by all of us including my night 2006 19 chapter book on my family’s love of baseball, my father’s love of baseball, my childhood love of baseball and how all of this happened so hope you go read it back for more Baltimore positive right after this
