Dr. Ericka Covington discusses the significance of Coppin State University’s 125th anniversary and its role in Baltimore’s education and community, highlighting the small, intimate graduate program with 15 degree programs, 16 certificates, and a doctoral program, catering to adult learners and career changers. She educates Nestor on ways to elevate a modern career path locally.
Nestor Aparicio discusses the significance of Coppin State University’s 125th anniversary and its role in Baltimore’s education and community. Dr. Erica Covington, Dean of Graduate Studies, highlights the university’s small, intimate graduate program with 15 degree programs, 16 certificates, and a doctoral program, catering to adult learners and career changers. She emphasizes the importance of higher education in a competitive job market and the growing demand for certifications. Covington also addresses the challenges faced by HBCUs and the impact of political changes on academic freedom and diversity. The conversation touches on the historical significance of Fannie Jackson Coppin and the university’s commitment to community service.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Coppin State University, graduate studies, HBCU, career advancement, adult education, certification programs, Baltimore community, academic freedom, diversity, recidivism rates, criminal justice, Fannie Jackson Coppin, 125th anniversary, Maryland crab cake tour, Leukemia Lymphoma Society.
SPEAKERS
Nestor Aparicio, Dr. Ericka Covington, Speaker 1
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Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive. We are taking a show on the road, as we always do. We got the NFL Draft this week, the Orioles in town, out of town, Luke’s running around, doing all that. We have been trying to defend democracy in a lot of cases around here while we mix in some sports and mix in some jurisprudence, trying to mix in a little bit of fun. I got some music and rock and roll and and some great sports stuff coming up at the Beaumont on Thursday, we’re going to be out on the Maryland crab cake Tour presented by the Maryland lottery. I will have the Back to the Future scratch offs to give away. Then we’re up at Cooper’s North next Wednesday, doing a turn for LLS and Leukemia Lymphoma Society on the burger of the month, which is always delicious. And I’m going to have some gumbo up at the Cooper’s north on the crab cake tour. And then on the 30th we’re going to be at Coco’s pub. I’m wearing my Cocos pub thing, which sometimes makes the folks over COVID state itch a little big. It’s a little too close to Morgan State. It’s a little that East West Baltimore thing that I’m used to around here. But everybody knows I’m supporting the Eagles and COVID state celebrating 125 years. Big gala going on. I got coach Stewart coming out. He’s going to join me at the Beaumont this week out in Catonsville. Right now, we’re continuing our conversations about 125 and the education of of of HBCU schools, and the gem that Coppin is they’ve been our flagship for sports for almost 15 years now. Dr Erica Covington is a first time visitor here. She’s a tenured associate professor in management and the Dean of Graduate Studies. I always say that’s my old job title. You know, I told Kurt smoke last week. I’m just a UB graduate trying to make my way through, trying to figure it out. And there were always professors and doctors and leaders and leaders of the leaders and teachers, of the teachers that always hung out around universities. And it’s always a pleasure. I always try to get educated by having folks on with doctors in their title. Dr Covington, Good day to you. Welcome in for COVID. Big Time to COVID, right? This 125, big deal, right?
Dr. Ericka Covington 02:01
Absolutely, it’s a monumentous occasion for Coppin to be around that long with such a long and rich legacy of education within Baltimore. So it’s a big deal for us.
Nestor Aparicio 02:15
Well, what is graduate studies? And last week, I talked Title Nine, and I try to learn. And I always come to folks like you and say, I’m gonna ask questions about what you do. Don’t be offended. I’m just trying to figure it out. But, but when I ask football players, they don’t like talking about that So, but, but on a daily basis, your campus is cozy and small and friendly and kind of everybody knows everybody. And when I’m over there, I saw Coach Stewart there. And I said, You had so many people there, back at the celebration last month when you put Gary Williams in the Hall of Fame, I couldn’t even park, you know, like just getting around everybody knows everybody. And I would think that, you know, during these are troubled times for anyone of color. I’m Venezuelan dei universities in general. Anyone who’s outspoken, I’ve been accused as such, what’s going on on your campus when it comes to graduate studies, and what you feel and hear every day on your campus from young people. So
Dr. Ericka Covington 03:09
8first of all, our graduate program is very special because it’s quite small, it’s quite intimate, but we have a huge impact in the community. You know, we’ve got 15 degree programs, we’ve got 16 certificates, we’ve got a doctoral program. So we make a huge impact in Baltimore. And what we normally cater to, we have a lot of adult generations who are coming back, who are looking for that extra edge in their career, who want to get a second degree, or maybe they’re changing careers later on in life. So you know, it’s really making an impact. And I think you know, in Maryland, there’s so many colleges and universities that, you know it’s already competitive out here, but a lot of people already come to careers with a bachelor’s degree, so, you know, that’s kind of the staple. So now, you know, a master’s, or just a higher level degree is really important if you’re trying to be competitive in the job market. Um, certificates, I think, tend to be more of a a draw for the younger generation who just want to get in and, you know, get those quick certifications or certificates, and, you know, get right to work or start their own business. But it’s important in this day and age to have that little bit of edge so that, you know, you can be competitive, and, you know, make more out of your career. So, you know, that’s what we do with the graduate school, small campus, so it is intimate. You know, there’s a matter of maybe three buildings that you might visit with your graduate studies. We also offer some online courses as well. So it’s very flexible. You know, it’s. A lot of one on one attention from the faculty. So, you know, when you’re in those richer degrees, and you know, you want to be able to have that one on one attention. And you know, really, really touch to your profession. You know, we have that at Coppin, so it’s working for us. You know, we are hoping to grow more programs in the future. I think that we’re, you know, Dr Jenkins hates when, you know, people say we’re the best known secret in Baltimore. He’s like, I don’t want to be a secret. I want everybody to know. And that’s true. You know, we do want everybody to know that we are a jewel of West Baltimore, and we have very good, accredited programs, and, you know, world renowned faculty. So, you know, we, we do feel like that. You know, we’re the staple of West Baltimore, and grad studies is definitely growing. We’re seeing more and more students come in for a lot of our programs, especially clinical and mental rehab counseling that’s really growing in this day and age. And, you know, people can come in and get their certification set for licensure. So we’re seeing huge growth. Also, we’re seeing growth in adult education, you know, teachers coming and getting their certifications, and, you know, looking to grow within the school system. So there’s a lot of growth there. And, you know, we’re just happy to see it. I think every year it’s more and more growth within their grad studies program. So
Nestor Aparicio 06:41
certified certified in certification. And Pardon my ignorance on it. I’m not in that part of the job market, but I’m on LinkedIn, like everybody else, and I see a job posting for this and what the qualifications are. And just in a incredibly literate world, right where you know whether it’s computers and how they operate. And, you know, I did a whole thing on cybersecurity a couple weeks ago, just how your phone works. I think so many of us have gotten TechEd up to a point to say, I’m 56 at this point, I haven’t been in a classroom. I joked last week, it’d be like Rodney Dangerfield back to school, but if I wanted to change a career at this point and say, I want to do something differently, the qualification of having a certification and saying I’m qualified. I’ve studied this. I’ve spent my time. I’ve spent my hours, even if I wanted to be a yoga instructor, which might be my next line of work, just the the the fact that it’s there for you, and if you’ve already gone to cop, and if you live here, if you’re if you’re local, even online, in a lot of cases, but the opportunities and how life has changed. And I I said I talked to Kurt smoke last week, I part of it was like my whole college experience happened before 1993 so now my Well, I’m not, not true, because I come on your campus and other campuses sometimes I’m the guy that comes in lectures now about journalism and free speech and all that stuff, after doing this all these but when I come on to campuses now, I’m blown away to think like, oh, how tough it would be if I went back, because I’m still holding a pen and everything, right, and I have the keyboard skills that maybe that young people, when I was young, didn’t have The ability to type. Everybody comes into it with a certain level of technology, and how they can leverage that technology to get a job, right? It’s about getting a job. It’s not about what it would be for me come back and learn something for self enrichment. But that’s not what that’s not what the universities are set up, or they’re set up to get you qualified to go out on the LinkedIn and better your life, right? Right,
Dr. Ericka Covington 08:45
right, absolutely. And you made good points. I mean, you know, a lot of the older, I’m saying older generation, but it’s me real,
Speaker 1 08:53
but I am I when young people look at me, I am old.
8Dr. Ericka Covington 08:58
I’m right there with you. But you know, a lot of older generations when they come back, you know, when they you know, sometimes we get students who’ve retired from their careers, and they’re coming back to get another degree to start, you know, a second shift per se, at another career, and some of them don’t have the skills, you know, like you said, computers or, you know, especially with AI being so, you know, big right now in
Nestor Aparicio 09:27
a one, no, I just had to get that in. I just had to get that in. I mean, there is a state of education in the country where we’re living two different lives here, where we have Washington, DC, taking HBCUs and and people of Venezuelan descent, and just the general dei breakdown that’s going on here that that has to reverberate on your campus every single day. I know it does in neighborhoods here, and I’ve seen it and felt it in the recent weeks. Um, being a Hispanic descent myself, just some level of. Fear going on in the country that I don’t and these are resilient young people on your campus. They’ve already been through COVID, right? And I think that that’s a whole different level of this generation, right? That we’re still trying to figure that part of it out, right? Yeah,
Dr. Ericka Covington 10:13
it’s scary, you know? I think with us being such a small campus, you know, you don’t ever want to take the stand that you know we’re not seeing, or you know we won’t be impacted, because we do have a very mixed cultural makeup on our campus, and I think everybody’s kind of on edge, because you just don’t know what’s going to happen day to day. I mean, you’re hearing about these raids with ice, and you know students, and you know how their families are impacted. And you know we do have students from other countries who you know are attending our campus too, and you don’t know how it impacts the you know that their families and how the students are receiving it, you know what relatives are being impacted? Well,
Nestor Aparicio 11:04
8you’re also teaching them that they have free speech in this country. And you know, I’m in business with the government. I’m FCC licensed for 26 years, right? So, like, What can I say? We knew the 730 words that George Carlin pointed out we were kids that you couldn’t say, and even those, you could say half of those now, you know, and I hear them all the time, but I but the thing about free speech and the Constitution and the things that fundamentally, every university in this country on a civics level, every student that qualifies on an S, A, T, has been taught civics and what’s in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and checks and balances and executive powers and all of these things I can’t imagine. My mind scrambled as a 50 something based on what I was taught and what I know to be here, these last 10 weeks have been very alarming for me, and I hope they’re alarming for people of color and young people on campuses. I really do, because it’s about them and about their future. I’ve lived a pretty good I’ve had a pretty good gig here for a while. I like to keep it that way. Yeah.
Dr. Ericka Covington 12:04
And I think, you know, from any, you know, any of the younger ones who’ve never been involved with politics, now is the time. I mean, if you you have never been, you know, involved, or, you know, kept abreast of what’s going on in the news, you need to know what’s going on now, because it impacts every one of us. And you just don’t know from day to day, you know what part of your life is going to be impacted. And you know, in education, it’s all about academic freedom. And you know, a lot of faculty just wonder, you know how their research is going to be impacted. You know, the different research topics, I mean, the way they’re taking away some of the courses you know that focus on diversity in general. You know, whether it’s, you know, race relations, or it’s African American history, or, you know, any type of history. You know, everything’s being attacked and challenged right now. So
Nestor Aparicio 13:04
doctor, I talk baseball, and they, they had a Jackie Robinson day the other day, two weeks ago. They’re trying to take that out of the national and, you know, Maya Angelou, and just go down the list, Roberto Clemente, you know, Puerto Rican. They took his number off the wall in Pittsburgh. I mean, right, like, I, what’s next? We take Frank Robinson statue down in Baltimore, like, I, that’s just a silly baseball thing, but it’s not silly at all, constantly at all, yeah, because
Dr. Ericka Covington 13:28
it’s part of our history. I mean, it’s really sad that, you know, the attack just seems to go after, you know, the varying cultures or anything that’s outside of just white America. But you know, all of that the diverse backgrounds make up our history, and it’s in essence, where, you know, they’re trying to erase our history. I mean, I know, growing up, you know, taking history classes, much of what I learned as an adult, I wasn’t taught as a child, because it wasn’t in the history books, and it was pretty much, you know, washed out of the books because, you know, they didn’t want to ever focus on the ugly history that you know, the United States has on race relations. But it is a part of our history. And I mean, in order to change it, you have to know about it. And so you know the fact that all of this is just being wiped away, and you know the attack of the museums again, it’s our history, and that’s how you learn. It’s just a scary time. And you know it’s just really disheartening that, you know, in a country that is supposed to be based on freedom, you know that it’s very limited now, and it’s really being attacked. So you know, it’s, it’s it’s scary. And the only thing I can say is, you know, I just hope that you know, somebody eventually will stand up and say, you know what’s happening right now is not right. This isn’t how everybody. Body in the country feels. I mean, that’s the another concern when you travel or you know you have, you know international people come and visit the country, you know they’re just seeing the outside. You know what the news is, and you know the assumption that all Americans feel the way that you know this President is portraying, and it’s not the case.
8Nestor Aparicio 15:24
Doctor, I sat at the bar stool in the Toronto two weeks ago, when the Orioles open the season, I went up to Canada, and I’ve shared freely my experiences, and I had a Canadian musician on last month just saying, This isn’t this isn’t funny to the rest of the world, and certainly in places like Greenland and other you just in a general sense, Dr Erica Covington is here. She’s with COVID State University. I want to once again say she’s a tenured associate professor in management and the dean of graduate studies, but I read further down your bio at a Coppin, and I see that used to have Master of Science in Criminal Justice Administration. You’re speaking your own language as a dean of graduate studies, that you were a student of graduate studies in a space of criminal justice. Um, take me into January 6, and, you know, like all, I mean, where’s the justice and all of that, it sounds like you studied this at a much higher level than I have. Doc, absolutely.
Dr. Ericka Covington 16:19
You know, with that Criminal Justice background, I keep my ear to the street just to know what’s going on. How did
Nestor Aparicio 16:26
you go into that study, just as a as an adult? Because that’s a that was a master’s program, right?
Dr. Ericka Covington 16:32
8Yes, it was, um, my undergrad and my masters were in criminal justice, but I, in my earlier years, always wanted to go to law school because always had an interest in Criminal Justice Administration, and, you know, just how the law works, and really just our criminal justice system, how we respond to, you know, those who have gone to jail and how they come back. And, you know, try to re acclimate into the community. And I think growing up in Baltimore, you know, we, we’ve been faced with a lot of challenges, you know, just with the high recidivism rates and, you know, the amount of young people who really don’t have anything but crime to lean to, you know, within the community. And you know, what can we do to try to help our younger generation? You know, we come from old generation of steel mill workers. And you know, back when Bethlehem Steel was here, and that’s my dad, by the way, absolutely, a lot of Baltimoreans. And you know, there were alternatives to going to college, and you could still get a great job and have great benefits and take care of your families. But you know, when that closed down, it really hit us hard, not only for those who work there, but for their, you know, generations that came after them. So, you know, Finding Careers now for, you know, younger kids who may not see a college path, but, you know, want a good, stable job and make good money, you know, they’re trying to find that path right now. So that kind of tied me into criminal justice, and you know, what kind of things we could do to help the community. So I kind of use Baltimore as my test case with my research, because I’m always looking at ways that I can, you know, improve Baltimore and make it be the Baltimore that I remember growing up and the Baltimore that my parents grew up in. Where’d
Nestor Aparicio 18:39
you grow up in Baltimore. Come on now, I’m a Colgate East Point, right across from East Point mall in the 23 bus line. Okay, I thought it was Essex when I was a kid, because, yeah, older brothers were going to go to Kenwood. And then in 1979 they redistrict and we were going to Dundalk. And you can imagine Dundalk racism in 1980 was completely the Archie Bunker. I had never had a black neighbor. I had I had black I had a black teacher who I’ve who’s still with us, Mr. Statham comes out, plays the piano with us once in a while. But, like, I if you look in my middle school yearbook there, there were no people of color. I mean, I was Hispanic, and that was about as, you know, I didn’t know anybody else. Yeah, that’s it, right? And then in high school, because at Turner’s, there was 20% always 20% my high school years, and I would freely say, in the high school cafeteria, all the kids from Turner sat at three tables in one end, and all the rest of us said, and it, yeah, it wasn’t like anything awful that was going on. But I think back 40 years later, and I’m like, not awful. That’s what the what we accepted, and it’s kind of how it worked. And they all knew each other from growing up, so it wasn’t necessarily based on any of that. But I grew up thinking that this was like normal, and then I learned about redlining and Blockbuster and all these things that you’re talking about in regards I still haven’t watched the wire. I’ve admitted that to David Simon, but my one. Time colleague at the sun but, but all of these problems of recidivism and and what happens when Annapolis sends troubled people back to the city generation after generation and again, there were TV shows made about all of this, but your background and bald? Where are you from?
Dr. Ericka Covington 20:17
So I grew up right around the corner from Morgan, actually.
Nestor Aparicio 20:21
So you know about Cocos. You remember what I
8Dr. Ericka Covington 20:25
do, I do, and I was there when it was the Northwood shopping center. Absolutely no, um, I remember going there to dollar movies. And, you know, I remember, you know, we would go up there, and that’s where the pharmacy was. And I remember Memorial Stadium. You could
Nestor Aparicio 20:42
walk to Memorial Stadium currently. Yeah, right, down, Alameda, right? Uh huh,
Dr. Ericka Covington 20:47
uh huh. I went to Northwood Elementary. So that’s my area. What
Nestor Aparicio 20:53
8do you love about ball? You stayed here? I’ve stayed here. I’ve had, you know, I love the world. I travel a lot, go to New York as often as I can, whatever. But I I’ve made a life here, and I think it’s different when you’re from here, you see me light up when I find that you’re from here, because, you know, I’d like to think that universities, institutions do have, like, indigenous Baltimore exactly to, like, say, like, hey, you know, this can be better it used to be. Yeah,
Dr. Ericka Covington 21:19
I think it’s always nice to have a native Baltimorean around, because, again, it’s like, it’s that pride, it’s that concern for your community. You know, when you had that historic background, and you know how great Baltimore was? And I should say, still, I
Nestor Aparicio 21:39
still love Baltimore. Yeah, I say that all the time. You know, every time I sit down to Lexington market, doing a show at families or whatever, I’m like, you gotta come down here, you know, and see things that have gotten better, you know, things that are getting nicer, the CFG Bank Arena and concerts and bringing people into the city. We’re going to fix the harbor. We are, you know. So, I mean, I’m, I’m Baltimore positive Doc, you know. So absolutely, but, but there is a point where the troubles and the concerns, they are uncomfortable truths, and especially when it comes to crime in our city and the perception of crime, exactly that is perception devastating than the reality of it in many cases. Absolutely, my case. And
Dr. Ericka Covington 22:16
we’re no different from any other major city. I mean, we always seem to get the attention. But if you look at the Chicagos, or you look at Philly, or, you know, Washington, DC, or you know, other major urban cities, they all have the same issues, and we’re all in search of the same answers. You know, we want to make it better. We want to make it great. And you know that that’s how I feel about Baltimore. I’ve lived some of everywhere. You know, in my life, I’ve been overseas as well, but ultimately end up coming back to Baltimore. I mean, all my family’s here. I know Baltimore, you know, I still travel, but you know, my love will always be for Baltimore and making Baltimore the you know, the the place that you know, has all the memories for me. So you know, it’s, it’s important to have a contribution. And you know, that’s what I love about being at Coppin, is that I can work within my community, and I can help prepare, you know, individuals to go back out into the community and make it great. So, you know, it’s, it’s a good thing for me. I will always have love for Baltimore. You’re
8Nestor Aparicio 23:23
chirp too. I am. I mean, I’m reading on here. I mean, you’re, you’re about as local as a blue crayon. Exactly. Erica Covington is here. She is a tenured associate professor in management and a dean of graduate studies over COVID state with our partners. Just last thing to throw on to the grant, because I could go all day with you switch. I think we could just come, come back, have a crab cake. We’ll do criminal justice. I could even have you West siders back over to the homeland. I have you Cocos on the 30th. You will come by. But you know, just the 125 and what I’ve learned about Fanny Jackson, Coppin, and because I was ignorant to a lot of this, and the 125 has brought it up like I didn’t. I think of Coppin and don’t tell Dr Jake, teacher school and all that, because I’ve been here my whole life, just like he was a curly or thought it was a teacher school and nursing and whatever. It’s a lot more than that. And we promote that. Brag about all of that at this point. But there is a point, I think, for what the school represents with an African American woman 125 years ago, um, you know, at that point, breaking the mall and teaching and leaving this legacy, I had been coming on a Coppins campus for 25 years, back to Fang Mitchell, and I told some stories Stuart played there. I didn’t how long ago it was, when Stu is coming out this week, and, um, I didn’t know the story, and I didn’t know what cop and I’ve never Googled it. I didn’t know C, O, P, P, I N, I’ve known it my whole life for the box wars and and being a Baltimorean, but I didn’t know who she was. And if there’s any little thing I do, I hope every kid on your campus knows a little bit about it,
Dr. Ericka Covington 24:58
because we. I think Dr Jenkins has made it a requirement that you know about Fannie Jackson coffvid, and we have, like, a beautiful statue of her on our campus, and it’s part of our graduation ritual. Now that you know, the students march past Fannie Jackson, you know, on the way to, you know, the field for graduation. So no
Nestor Aparicio 25:21
offense, that’s different than touching test studio, is it not? Is a different vibe, right? Right?
Dr. Ericka Covington 25:27
8It’s a different vibe. I think everybody still has that, you know, let me just rub on the skirt, or just tap or just to get that, you know, vibe of energy. But, you know, we definitely have that historic, you know, pride with Fanny Jackson Coppin, just like you said, it was unheard of for a woman to be such a trailblazer in her time. And you know, when we were known as a teacher’s conference, I mean, a teacher’s college, there are so many educators out in Baltimore who can say they came to Coppin to be trained to be educators. So, you know, there’s a lot of historic value in the education of the teachers out here in Baltimore. And same thing with the nursing program. You know, Coppin nurses really impact Baltimore and the hospitals and, you know, medical community out here, I mean, they have a historic legacy. Matter of fact, they just celebrated 50 years, if I’m not mistaken, celebrating their nursing program, then there’s
Nestor Aparicio 26:36
something about teaching and nursing. We’re talking care, compassion, patience, all of these things that don’t have much to do with technology or being an accountant or being a lawyer to some degree or whatever. In my career, there is a different type of countenance and different type of human and in many cases, it was women who sought these roles, right? And Fanny Jackson, COVID is what I you know, I could go all day. I promised you 20 minutes. And this is what happens. I start to have fun. And we get a half an hour into this, Dr Erica Covington is here for the first time. It will not be the last time, now that I know she knows Northwood and East Baltimore. So thanks for coming on and having a great chat with us, and for everybody out there to sort of wrap things up. If people are looking to maybe come back and get a masters, come back and and extend and thinking, you know, hard like me at 56 and saying, Maybe I should be thinking about doing something other than yelling at sports figures for the rest of my life. There, there is a pathway at COVID for someone to reach someone like you and say, hey, I want to make my life better. And this career is sort of burning out, and I’m scared, and I’m this and that, but I’m ready to move on and do something else, even though I’m not 21 anyway,
27:41
absolutely visit us@www.coppin.edu
Dr. Ericka Covington 27:48
The path is grad studies, graduate education, master’s programs. We can also be reached at graduate studies@coppin.edu for more information, we accept applications pretty much on a running basis, and we’re still open for Fall 2025 we look forward to serving our community.
8Nestor Aparicio 28:12
Your campus would not be ready for me to make a comeback as a back to full. I don’t think Dr Jenkins would want that COVID state celebrating 125 we always have fun. I always get to hold my cool Eagles belt, buckle up and have some fun. And Coach Larry Stewart allegedly coming, Bob, we’re gonna talk some basketball, some n, i L and all that good stuff as well. We are getting the Maryland crab gate tour back out on the road. We’re gonna be at Cooper’s north in Timonium next Wednesday, and then Coco’s pub over in Dr covington’s original home neighborhood over near the Morgan State campus at Coco’s pub. We’re getting we’re also going to be in White Marsh on the seventh of May at red brick station. So I want to throw that out. I’ll have some scratch. Also the Maryland lottery Back to the Future, but never back to school. I’m not sure. You know, you say master’s program, and like the hair, I’m like, oh, man, that would be a lot. And I’m thinking to myself, I’m already a master this week. I’m the master of ceremonies for the beer and bots program, for the STEM community, for the kids in the city trying to come to Coppin and make their lives better, uh, mervo and all these other places. So, uh, masters for you, huh? Yeah, they give me a little thing. It says master of ceremonies. And I’m like, as long as I can get called Master of something, Master my own domain at this point, appreciation to compensate, celebrating 125 years, celebrating now 14 years with us as our flagship and sports flagship. So if you hear some games on am 1570 it’s our friends at COVID as well. I am Nestor. We are W, N, S T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, and we never stop talking Baltimore positive. We Baltimore people.
