It’s getting late kinda early this spring as the Baltimore Orioles have provided an April thud. Our venerable Birdland (former) insider Allen McCallum joins Nestor once again for their 30th anniversary season of talking baseball, new ownership, payroll and some wisdom on the importance of pitching.
Nestor Aparicio and Alan McCallum discussed the Baltimore Orioles’ struggles in April, highlighting poor starting pitching and the lack of a consistent offensive lineup. McCallum criticized Mike Elias’s strategy, suggesting he should have traded for Garrett Crochet and signed Walker Buehler. He emphasized the need for depth in both pitching and hitting, noting the team’s reliance on young players like Heston Kjerstad and Jackson Holliday. McCallum also questioned the defensive abilities of players like Ryan O’Hearn and the decision to play Mateo in center field. Despite the challenges, McCallum remains hopeful that the team can turn things around as the weather warms and players gain more experience.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Orioles, pitching issues, starting pitchers, bullpen, offense consistency, Anthony Santander, lineup construction, injuries, depth, Mike Elias, Brandon Hyde, new ownership, payroll, analytics, player development.
SPEAKERS
Allen McCallum, Nestor Aparicio
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Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We call this Baltimore positive, hoping you’re setting a dial out on am 1570 if you follow us out on the internet, we’re doing the Maryland crab cake tour. I have the Back to the Future scratch off. So we will have these. We’ll have them this week at Cooper’s north on Wednesday, on the 30th, we’ll be back at Coco’s pub in laraville, looking forward to that one. And then on May the seventh, we will be at red brick station in White Marsh, uh, doing the Maryland crab cake tour. This guy’s had a crab cake. Have been out with us on occasion, as long as it does not involve cheese. He will be involved. He is our long time Orioles, I would say, insider, outsider, far sider, but he has been through all the paths, back to Jeffrey Mayer with me as one of our first Orioles insiders. Alan McCallum now joins us in the midst of of the chaos of bad starting pitching, this little mini trip down to DC and then off to Detroit into the weekend, and this is really become a mess since the last time you and I got together, and you were as concerned as all of my baseball people. All of you were a lot more optimistic I was trying to get my press pass back. Be nice, but all of you like the pitching even less than I did, and I wasn’t enamored with it. This is a code red for the franchise right now, with the new owner, at least hopefully got a bobble out over the weekend. Did you get a bobble head? Alan?
Allen McCallum 01:32
I did not. I’ve never really collected bobbleheads. It’s not really my thing. I have a couple, because people give me stuff, but
Nestor Aparicio 01:40
I’ve seen your Star Wars collection. Don’t talk to me about things. I didn’t say I
Allen McCallum 01:44
8didn’t collect anything. I said I don’t click bobble heads. I’m sure at some point, some one will fall into my hands at some point. But it’s not something I’m going to rush out to get. What do you make of the whole time? David Rubenstein at the Kennedy Center, so it’s not, yeah, what
Nestor Aparicio 01:59
do you make of the whole thing? Just of where it is with new ownership money, the money that’s being spent, where the leadership is, and more than that, you know, I keep going back to it’s not like Elias didn’t have a plan there. There were a bunch of pictures around here to all their arms fell off.
Allen McCallum 02:15
Yeah. So look, I’ve been looking and reading online and fans talking for years about how Michael is and Brandon Hyde are bad and horrible. And I you know, have they won the World Series yet? No, but they won 192 games in the last two years, one, one, quite a few the year before that. So, I mean, let’s, let’s get not get nuts about what’s happened, but, but to be frank, Mike Elias had an advantage on the division two years ago, and he’s let that slip away now. Is the question that he hasn’t had money to spend, or has he just not spent it? It feels like he is intent on building this team so completely from within. And I don’t know whether that that is it’s possible. I don’t think it’s possible in this game. I will say this, they rebuilt this organization drafting young hitters. Now we’ve talked about this for decades. It seems like I am firmly of the belief that it is easier to rebuild an organization based on bats than it is on pitching, Cleveland, Tampa, Seattle, maybe throw in San Diego and Atlanta at this point, these are organizations that seem to be able to draft and develop good starting pitching, but I don’t know that there’s anything harder in sports than to develop the majority of a pitching staff from within. If you have a stable of good young hitters, you can then go out and trade for and buy a pitching staff. And frankly, the money that you spend, you spend big money on pitchers, and it’s still a risk, but you have more of an edge, in my opinion, if you have bets. So they’ve done that. The problem is you then have to be willing to trade some of them or spend money on some of them to get what you need. And what seemed to have fallen short for my opinion and Elias is that he hasn’t been willing to do that. The two things that I would have done in this off season, right off the bat, is to I would have traded for Garrett crochet, and I would have signed Walker Buehler. Now the Bueller thing, you can debate whether or not that’s going to pull up, pull it out or not. But basically
Nestor Aparicio 04:43
what you think, what the Red Sox did, is exactly what they should have done, what I would have done,
8Allen McCallum 04:48
um, and then beyond that, you have a guy like Jose Quintana, who was still out there. I mean, there were plenty of guys out there that you didn’t. Have to spend top dollar on who could have increased your depth. I get that if you’re Mike Elias, you’re looking and saying, Hey, we’ve got Kyle Bradish and Tyler wells, and we want to see about Kate povidge, and we don’t want to block these guys. But I think at this point, with modern analytics and the way pictures are used, I mean, when it’s the greatest outing ever, when a pitcher goes six innings and gives a three or four runs, you need depth in your organization. And not only did they not have depth, the pitches they’re counting on were, frankly, farther away in the second half of the season, if they’re lucky, not to mention that so far in Grayson Rodriguez his tenure, we’ve seen that he is injury Pro, and God only knows who he’s going to pitch it all this year at this point. So I mean to as a manager and anything I think that you, you play the game expecting the worst and hoping for the best. And Elias came into the season in, in my opinion, um, looking for the best outcome for his pitching staff that Chris Rodriguez was going to be healthy and, uh, Tyler wells and Kyle brads were going to be back early, and Charlie Morton would pitch like a 35 year old at 41 and that Kade povidge, you know, his September, would turn into his kids reality for 2025
Nestor Aparicio 06:33
maybe that’ll still happen. Well, you need a lot of things to go right in order to win, no matter when you win, right? I mean, absolutely, you know me, two years ago, everything went right for them to be 101 win team, and did you know? And then went wrong in October. But from a pitching standpoint, they were upright and even dealing for Corbin burns and even trying to get Bradish back on the Hill in May of last year, I thought there was one of the best teams. And you and I did a segment at that point that they had ever put together. In my 50 years of following the Orioles, I thought they were on to something. And now, 11 months later, they are embattled at this point, and part of that is money bags. Your guy, Rubinstein, comes in, they’ve spent a lot of his money. How have they spent it? You know, I’ve had people that are near fight that say, well, Angelo never spent money. Is this guy spending money? Will he spend money? He didn’t sign Soto. He didn’t sign Corbin burns. And I’m thinking to myself, well, they’ve almost doubled their payroll in a year, and what did they get for it? What are they getting for the money they’re spending? So let’s,
Allen McCallum 07:35
let’s look at, I mean, some things have gone right. I mean, everyone was wringing their hands about the bullpen. Bullpen has been pretty good. I mean, shy of CNL, Perez, you know, Serenity Dominguez, couldn’t get anybody out in March. And he’s probably to
Nestor Aparicio 07:49
8say the bullpen to me, it’s that’s a matter of time. I don’t think the bullpen is any more depth in the starting rotation at I just think it’s showing a little better the first couple of weeks. I think the truth
Allen McCallum 08:00
about any bullpen is that if you overwork them in April and May, they will fall apart in June and July. I mean, I mean, that’s inevitable, because they’re not, because the starting pitching is giving them no length. But in terms of hoping for the best, that’s been better than, than we were, than we I know I feared in in March. I mean, that’s, that’s a positive. That would be
Nestor Aparicio 08:22
stunned if the bullpen is the strength of their team through the course of the season. I that would stun me. Alan, the strength of their team has to be hitting the hell out of the ball, and that hasn’t been a strength.
Allen McCallum 08:31
So let’s talk about offense. I mean, the thing about the offense we’re looking for is consistency, and I I don’t know that. Look, Anthony Santander, you can make arguments, both pro and con, for keeping him. He’s he was the only he’s heading into his 30s. He’s not a guy that looks like he’s going to get better as he gets older in terms of hitting and plate plate discipline, etc, but what he was, and he’s, you know, people will say he’s an under, he’s he’s a below average defensive player, but I would tell you, I thought he did fairly well defensively. And the other thing is that whatever he wasn’t, he was a presence in the middle of that lineup that helped anchor everybody else. People talk about war all the time, and I think war is a joke. And here’s why you look at a guy like Ben rice in the Yankees lineup, and he’s tearing the cover off the ball. Well, he’s hitting in front of Aaron judge. And if you are a young player with some skills and the the the opponent is trying to do something, they’re going to pitch to you because they don’t, they don’t want to pitch to judge, right? So young guys, man, same thing happened with Manny Machado, who’s obviously a star, but this whole idea in in new analytics, but putting your, your slugger, in the number two spot never made. Sense to me, it weakens the bottom of the weakens every spot below that, and it doesn’t give anyone in front of that player an opportunity to succeed in their greatness. If that makes any sense. The thing about war, it seems to me, is that it’s based on the idea that every player is an individual unto themselves, and in a good lineup, good players make other players better. So war is never a statistic, in my opinion, that can exist within one individual. It’s about how the lineup gets made. Scott Brosius, when he was a Yankee, was a much better player than he was with the Oakland A’s, and it was clear, because he was in a lineup that that he could hit in the bottom of the order, and after making it through the gauntlet, he was a guy suddenly that could hit the ball out of the ballpark there. There are things about the way a lineup is constructed that matters. So now Anthony Santander is gone, they want to put gunner Henderson, who would be that aircraft carrier, at the top of the lineup, and it forces other players who shouldn’t be in the middle of lineup there. Maybe Jordan westburg is a guy that’s going to end up being a good number three, number four, number five hitter, but he’s a young guy that’s still learning, and to move him from 567, where he was succeeding, into the middle of the lineup changes his responsibilities in his role. You gave Tyler and O’Neill three years and a decent amount of money, but they’re not batting him in the middle of the lineup because he’s probably he’s a good, complimentary player, but he may not be that guy. They’re putting Ryan O’Hearn, who’s a good, solid player. He’s off to a good start, but Is he really a 345, hitter? I don’t know. It seemed to me that what the best outcome for this team, if you were, in fact, going to continue to have gunner Henderson in the number one, number two spot, was to have Heston kersta and Coby Mayo show up as the players that we they are being touted to be guys who can fill in the middle of the lineup, guys that can slug, but you have to prove that testing kersta was just starting to get into a groove when he got hit COVID. Mail is not here yet and doesn’t have a position. You know, is Ryan mailcastle the 35 home run guy from his rookie season? Or is he a guy that gets hot two or three times a year and plays well, but otherwise a mediocre player. So far, the latter seems to be the truth.
8Nestor Aparicio 12:25
Um, well, Mullins. Haven’t mentioned Mullins, and he’s been their best player.
Allen McCallum 12:30
Absolutely. Adley rutschman is supposed to be one of the elite players. And again, other than opening day, he’s off to a questionable start. So there are a lot of there’s no presence in the middle of the lineup right now that will calm down the rest of the lineup. Even gunner, who’s starting to get hot, was out for for the first two and a half weeks. So, I mean, there, there are lots of things that you can look at and say, you know, this team needs signing one soda was never going to be something new, real should have, or would have done, I would have to spend what money they have on a player like that who is a good hitter, but doesn’t help you defensively, doesn’t help you on the bases, all he does is hit, and that’s not how you that. I think he’s dramatically overpriced based on that. But they had plenty of options. They could have moved. They could have gone through from the pitching staff. You know, Mike Elias during the off season at the general managers meeting, said, we’re in on everybody when they he was asked about Max freed and Corbin burns. Well, what they got was Charlie Morton and and and Sagano, if you’re if you’re going to play on that end, the Roland, HeMan, Dan Duquette, end, where you pick up the scraps at the back end, don’t set people’s expectations to the point where you say, We’re in on everybody. There were, again, there were other players. They could have gotten other pitchers that would have helped to augment the staff. And they went from the back end, and when you’re playing in the American League East, where the Red Sox had been bad and they went out and made changes to improve, spend some money, then spend big money, but spend money, and the Yankees lose Juan Soto and immediately go out and get max freed, and Paul Goldschmidt and Cody Bellinger to to add to The depth of their lineup and all those. I mean, Goldsmiths off to a good start. Uh, Cody Bellinger has been sub par. Uh, Max freed, almost threw no hitter yesterday. I mean, if you go out and and augment where you need the help, they didn’t have to cut off their their line to their young players. They didn’t have to spend one Soto money, but there were things they could have done to help augment this team. Is it over? No, all these guys can get hot. We know that. Joe. From Westbrook’s not going to hit 190 through the rest of the year. He’s going to find himself, I assume, Adley rushman, I would, I would give Ali rushman the benefit of doubt and believe he’s going to find his way back to 275, 320, 20 home run season and be productive, but maybe not be number two or number three hitter in the lineup. Maybe that’s not what he is at this point in his career. I would like to believe that Heston kerstad is going to get back in the lineup. We start, we started to see him get high. I think maybe he can be that guy, but that means confidence and reps. I think ultimately, COVID Mayo is going to have to replace Ryan mountcastle. And then the question is, is he the guy he’s been touted as? And then ultimately, I think Sam besio is probably going to make it. Gonna have to make its way up here and be what they they think he is, and that doesn’t even include Jackson holiday. And then defensively, I have questions. I mean, even bringing the the wall back in, in left field, left field at Camden Yards has always been and continues to be, one of the toughest left fields in baseball. Even when it’s not deep from the gap to line, it’s as far as anything. Why are they playing Tyler O’Neill? If they want us to believe that he is a Gold Glove caliber defensive outfielder, shouldn’t he be in left field and Heston kerstead Being in be in right field? Now maybe, I don’t know what the conversations are, maybe O’Neill said he’s more comfortable in right field, but for this, for the benefit of this team, I don’t think it makes sense to put your an average outfielder. You need. You have always needed, from the day it opened, a second center fielder in left field, which is why Brady Anderson was the best left fielder in baseball when he played out there, which is, which is why Austin Hayes, who was a second center fielder, played so well in left field. There are things to understand about how this team needs to be set up. And I think there have been, I think that there have been some weaknesses and some lack of attention to depth and and the reality that you have to go beyond your organization to put a team together to win, particularly when you were going day to day, up against the Yankees and the Red Sox and the Blue Jays who were trying to play in that, in that, in that big field. And aren’t necessarily those kinds of big spenders. They don’t necessarily get those people the Canadian there’s the Canadian border is an impact on money and travel and all that, but they’re certainly not afraid to go out and try and offer people money. So the Orioles to be an insular team like the raise. I guess it can be done, but it is, if you what the full
Nestor Aparicio 17:46
blossoming of the young players. I mean, you mentioned in these guys that those guys have to be really, really good and and cows are needs to be on the field. Holiday needs to blossom. They need these, these players to be superstar players, not just a guy, which is what holiday is right now, Henderson’s the only guy that I’m looking at saying he’s more than a guy. Westburg, Jury still out cows is not around, but the pitching, the pitching, the pitching, Allen like they’re not, they can’t pitch their way out of this, and that’s like, you’re like, is it over? It’s not over. No, it’s not over, but it’s over. And believing that this pitching can even be league average, it’s not going to be league average, not
Allen McCallum 18:33
8the way it’s constituted right now, they certainly look they need, if it’s Brandon young, the kid who pitched on Saturday, who, once he settled down, seemed to look good. They’ve got a couple of young guys in the minor leagues. But again, it’s about always proving yourself. They need some guy. They need Zach epsilon to come back and be healthy. They need to go and trade for someone. I’ve heard Sandy Alton el contos name a lot, but he’s not lighting the world on fire right now, they need to go find someone, whether it’s one of the Seattle pitchers or someone who’s pitching in in Miami, to be a solid number two, they need Kyle Bradish to come back and be healthy and not have lost a step from where he was, which is a lot to ask for a guy who hasn’t pitched any year in it, but for essentially a year and a half, I know we had a couple starts last year. They need Dean Kramer to step up, because he’s a guy who can eat innings and probably pitch to a four year a at least he’s shown himself to be that whether he continues to be remains to be seen. They might not
Nestor Aparicio 19:44
have anybody that could pitch sub four era, right, like that’s we’re really asking
Allen McCallum 19:49
everyone could pitch to a sub four, three and a half. I think everyone’s could be a three and a half guy if he’s healthy. But they need more than that. Yeah, I don’t know that I would have given Corbin burns the money they offered him and the money signed for, because if you looked at his his numbers, they have declined over the years, and he’s not off to a great start right now, but you could have taken that money and spread it out much like the Yankees did, to get some pieces that would have really helped this club. So that look, Jordan Westberg, Jackson, holiday, Adley rutschman, all of them don’t need to be mega stars. They need gunner to be a mega star. They need either cursed at or Mayo to be a mega star. I’d say cursed right now, since he’s here, they need Jackson holidays to figure it out. I mean, westburg, if that were to happen in West Bergen, holiday could be guys, solid guys. You don’t need nine superstars, but you need a lineup that’s going to function, particularly without anyone in the middle of the lineup. That’s that really scares you right now. They need, they need these guys to it’s time for them to step up. Westburg, this is a second full year. Even having missed a couple months last season, rechman has been established in the league. I mean, it’s time for these guys to take a step forward, but it would have been a lot easier if they had a presence in the middle of lineup that would have taken some of the pressure off the rest of these guys. The rest of these guys. And they don’t have it. So it’s, it’s they need to figure it out. And they need to figure it out
Nestor Aparicio 21:27
now, Alan McCallum is here. He is our longtime baseball analyst. We are just sort of rounding the bend here, and I, you know, I won’t go to bother in April here. And then this is, how alarmed Are you? I mean, on behalf of the season. Look, there been a lot of lost seasons here where there was years and years where there was nothing for you and I to talk about. After two playoff runs, you’d think, well, you know, you can regress or whatever. This was not supposed to be the year of regression,
8Allen McCallum 21:54
though. Really no how concerned Am I, um, I don’t think the Yankees are going to be, are going to going to hit at the clip they’ve been hitting at for the rest of the season. I think they’re an old team. And I think there’s going to be, there’s some injuries coming, okay, the Red Sox are, you know, no one has run away from them in the division yet. I mean, but you can’t count on that into June. I mean, at some point you have to get hot. Now, it’s not uncommon in baseball for the month to the calendar to flip and teams get going. I think as we hit May, and it’s consistently warm weather. And, you know, it’s not cold in this place, hot in this you know, warm in this place. I think the bats will will heat up a little bit. I think that’s true. I think they need to find, look, here’s a reality. Michael ice has gone with a lot of left handed bats in this lineup. And, I mean, we sat together at one of the restaurants last season, and I said, you know, the formula for beating the Orioles is throw a left handed pitcher, Adam that. I mean, that’s not a surprise, and they have this right handed lineup really hasn’t worked yet. So the reality is, you’ve got these guys who you think are stars, either left handed hitters can hit left handed pitching, or they can’t. So I think you need to play some of them, excuse me against excuse me, left hand pitching and see what they can do. I think they need to find some more consistency in the lineup, and that’s going to be tough, because at this point, this team is built very analytically for guys to move in and out. And I think that’s tough on a lot of players. You know, Ramon ureas. There were people in this town screaming, get rid of Ramon Urias for basically a year and a half when he didn’t play, and then suddenly, when he plays, he healed. He was the most productive hitter for the team in the second half of the season last year, and it’s continued into the season, being a productive player, but you gotta play. Um, is the team better off if the guys in front of him are hitting and he doesn’t play, probably, but that’s not the way the situation is right now. But I think they need to find a consistent lineup. I think they need to make some decisions about what they think certain players are.
Nestor Aparicio 24:19
I certainly think they need to take him too early on to do that for some players. I mean, Mount castle and O’Hearn, I’ll hear that. But like a lot of these young guys, I don’t even know who they are, right this, I mean, they’ve moved positions on guys, you know, holidays, really a shortstop, they made him a second base. You know, everybody’s playing a little weird out of position, because Henderson really emerged as as a shortstop and not a third baseman, because they had a log jam and all of that, they had Westbrook planet second, and they had planted third. I mean, some of these guys are pretty death defensively, but to your point, decide what you are and go with it, instead of tinkering around. And the injuries have really forced a lot of that. I mean, the cows are injury on top of everything else. Has forced them into lineups they don’t want. Well,
Allen McCallum 25:03
I’ll be honest, I kind of think the Colton cows are injury might have been the best thing that happened to the team early, because it forced him to play Heston kerstead. And I don’t know that Brandon Hyde would have played kirstead that much and he couldn’t sit on the bench. I, as I said, I believe that Hester Colton cosr strikes out just way too much period. I mean, they were going to hit him. You
Nestor Aparicio 25:24
8are not wearing the moose suit. Are you okay? Okay, I’m not saying
Allen McCallum 25:28
you can’t be perfected. Player, pretty good outfielder. Can hit 25 home runs. I’m not telling, but he’s a guy that should be hitting seventh or eighth in my lineup, certainly not first, certainly not fourth, until he proves me wrong, but the few at bats that I saw at the beginning of the year didn’t look much better than I expected him to progress, and early on, I wasn’t impressed with what I saw. Maybe he’ll come back and be different, but having him out of the lineup forced him to play. Heston cursed dad, and I think Heston cursed dad has a much better shot of being, being the player that they need in the middle of lineup than than Colton cowser. But, I mean, I’ll say this, you know, you’re is it for all the talk about whether Anthony Santander was a good outfielder or not, I’m watching Ryan O’Hearn run around in right field because they’ve got to play him. They’re trying to play him out there, because he’s not a great first baseman. You know, Is he good enough? Is he good enough hitter? Powerful enough hitter to be a DH
Nestor Aparicio 26:29
Mateo in the outfield, to be Be careful what you’re doing when you just put in stratomatic fours out on the field, right? I mean, the ball finds those guys. It does. If you’re
Allen McCallum 26:38
going to play two in center field, probably not, probably not do it in Kansas City, which is one of the biggest center fields in the game against Team that hits line drives all day. I mean, there, it’s important to pick your spots right. And when you put him out in that situation, he’s got, he’s got nowhere to hide. So, I mean, those are, there are, those were questionable decisions I have I can’t argue that. I don’t think Brandon Hyde deserved to be fired, and I don’t think he’s as bad a manager as I hear people make out when they won 192 games the last two years. But there are certainly reasons to question him at times, and putting Mateo and Kansas City in that situation was certainly one of them. Look, this team has a lot of work to do. Period, they’ve got a lot of work to do, and they have injuries to overcome, but you know what? So does everybody else and and they’re not out of it yet, but it’s going to get it could get late early, and it’s time for guys to wake up. The debacle that happened on Easter Sunday was embarrassing and tough and hadn’t happened to this team like that in a while. I’ve seen games like that before. We all have, but Texas
8Nestor Aparicio 27:54
30, you know, Orioles three. I still see that one.
Allen McCallum 27:57
No question. I mean, I remember Manny Alexander pitching, I think, in a 2626 to something game a couple of years before that one. So, you know, there are things to this is a good to off day.
Nestor Aparicio 28:15
Yeah. Oh, I hear you. I mean, this is, this is a telling part for them to go on the road here and try to patch something together that we haven’t seen out of them yet, really, that we haven’t seen since before the all star break last year. Allen, I will let you get back out to doing what you’re doing watching Oriole baseball here and now you can stream the games. Who knew? Right? I mean, that’s the biggest news of all. It was such a big story that Greg baders name was uppercase and bold in the in the press release, that’s true.
Allen McCallum 28:45
8Let it let’s go. Let’s go.
Nestor Aparicio 28:48
Alright? Alan McCallum has been our baseball guy all of his life. It feels that way. It’s only been 30 some years. Maybe this is the 30th anniversary our summer, isn’t it, right? 95 was a year,
Allen McCallum 28:59
right? I met you in August of 1995
Nestor Aparicio 29:02
All right. Well, we’re gonna have to go do something that doesn’t include you eating cheese at some point in August, right?
8Allen McCallum 29:08
Life goes by very quickly. Nestor, a lot of a lot’s changed in that time, for sure, yeah,
Nestor Aparicio 29:13
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