Author Joel Poiley gives Nestor the full back story about his book on the life and times and amazing career of Baltimore Colts legend Tom Matte. “Last Man Standing” is coming this summer for anyone who wants to know more about the late, great running back we all met and loved around town.

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Nestor J. Aparicio

Nestor J. Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home we are W n s t test Baltimore and Baltimore positive we are positively into the summer months around here Luke’s doing his little football thing before they take their rest but it’s going to be a summer of oral baseball around here in summer Maryland crab cakes all brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery I’ll be giving some scratch offs away have some PacMan some lucky sevens. Also our friends at Liberty pure solutions keeping our water clean. And last but never least Jiffy Lube MultiCare keep the car running. So I can get around the beltway and do all the things I need to do and do all these crazy Maryland crab cake tour stops including our friends at cost us on the 20th and then again on the 25th will be a Pappas in Parkville with lots and lots of friends. This guy has lots of Baltimore connections, wrote to me last year in regard to a book on Tom Mati that is now about to arrive we’re about to make the baby this summer. Last Man Standing how Tom Maddies memorable 1965 Season highlighted a remarkable NFL career. The author is Joe coyly. There’s a foreword by Jack Nicklaus that Jack Nicklaus, and I guess all the Oh, the Ohio and the football people come together, Joe, he reached me. I guess it feels like a year year and a half ago told me you were doing this project and said, Hey, I’d like to come on the show when you do it. But you asked me what I knew about Tom, Maddie or some people. I didn’t know the direction of your book in the 65 season. First things first, a pleasure to have you aboard. And for any crazy author out there. It feels good to get it done.

01:30

Oh, man, it’s a career goal achieved. I’ve been wanting to write a book for so long. And before I get to that real quick, I just want to tell you, man, I really admire you. And I always look at myself as somebody that from the cosell? No, you know, tell it like it is. And I appreciate you the way you approach things and you don’t hold anything back and you tell the truth. So I think that’s really cool. That’s

Nestor J. Aparicio  01:58

very sweet of you. And apparently you’ve seen my 25th anniversary documentary or if you haven’t, please go check it out a curio foreign daughter for supporting all that we do here. I’ll just say this. The the issue for me at this point in my life has been about accountability. And I’m here every day and whatever I say I back it up with facts and and with analysis. And I feel like with the wisdom that John Steadman, who was close with Tom Mattie gave to him and gave to art Donovan to give to me at that point 30 years ago and this when I began this that we began the show not having a football team here. And all that came with what Tom Matty represented in Johnny, you and Bruce lair, all the guys that were still here and didn’t have a team and I guess I wore my blue and white for you today, my Rascon Globe Life. I threw this overtop of my my shirt this thick, and I got my Baltimore Colts belt buckle over here that I’ll bring your way. But, you know, Tom was one of those guys, that was always good with me. We were never super close. He always worked at the other stations. There’s always a little bit of weirdness. But Tom Maddie always, always showed me love and respect and in a way that when he passed, I recollected the story that I think you reach to me about maybe when he passed, which is going on three years now, right?

03:24

Yeah, yeah. November 21. Yeah. Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  03:28

my story is this that he came to me, Tony lectus, who’s no longer at the Ravens Bud was the gatekeeper when you walked into the main lobby of the Ravens. Tony’s office was there. There’s the art modell picture in the and the fireplace if anybody’s been to the facility out in Owings Mills. And Tom came up to me one day there and it was three, I remember because it was during the construction phase when they were moving from one to another, because there were two front desks and we went for a walk. It says, Hey, I need to talk to you for a minute. I’m like, what do you need? Tom? Listen, listen, I I talked to Lennie and Lennie tells me that sometimes you have listeners that call and they just want to talk to an old call or they need something or at the end of their lives. You Lenny does it but when he can’t do it, you give it to me take take my number down. He made me take his number and said if anybody ever calls a station Lenny was telling me that you do this. And I’m like, I don’t brag about doing this man. And you know really did it was Ray Bachmann Our executive producer. We would have callers that called here. Imagine this is how important the Colts were 20 years ago, 15 years ago. Older folks with Children Now my age in their 50s and 60s. My father is 90 years old. All he wants to do before he dies is hear from Lenny Moore. And Lenny wouldn’t just call them Lenny would take the number getting his car randalstown and drive and sit living Shiva if I’m using the proper literally sit at the end of these people’s lives and talk with them during the last weeks of their lives. And Maddie heard about this and said, I want in on this and came to me. And I’m like, I’m never told anybody until the day he died that he did this. That’s you, you’re gonna make me cry. But that’s your time that he was.

05:18

But two things. I’m Jewish, so I get the Shiva thing. And that story is in the book, because in my research, it just came up. And it was so bought the old original coats and the connection to the community. Yeah, I’ll just go into how all this evolved. I have an introduction in the book, because I like to know the backstory of things. And, you know, I’m in my late 60s. So I remember just about all the times career I cried for a week after the 65 playoff game against the Packers. And how old were you then

Nestor J. Aparicio  05:58

it’s 65. Hey. Yeah. All right. So get get you’re born to 57 or 68. Okay, good enough. Gotcha. Yeah. Side

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Story. No. Did you work for Stedman, right?

Nestor J. Aparicio  06:11

Oh, not for him because he wasn’t the boss at the time, although he was always the boss. But he really wasn’t the boss. He was just an emeritus. That was his title. But he, his title was sports editor. But he was just the columnist that they gave him that title. But John was like a father, me and me, John. From the day John met me. He liked me, and always made me feel welcome. And it when I did the documentary, I found that audio piece of his voice talking about my career, I found that late in the process, and it’s really moved me in a different direction to be pissed off for greatness with my own career. And what I want to do with Baltimore positive on behalf of people like Stedman, because stem was really special guy to me, and he was the link to all of those guys. All I needed to do was drop John’s name with any of those guys that were the worst shoe on their element, and they would stop and give me full attention and say, John Steadman good, man, how can I help you, young man?

07:09

The only reason I brought it up with was almost worked for John. I was working at the Carroll County Times, and you know, ready to move up and I sent John, all my material resume clips. And it was like early 85, I believe and ended up being like six months before the paper folded. Long story short, he wanted to hire me. But he told me at the interview, I can’t hire anybody now because we’re waiting to see if Ted van and Tolis can put that syndicate together, sure, by the paper, and then it all fell apart. So just all those six degrees of people out there,

Nestor J. Aparicio  07:45

what is your background? Where are you? You’re me. You’re standing here by the way. Joe coyly is an author he’s written a book called Last Man Standing automatic, but on the video you have Baltimore Colts gear or you clearly are a Baltimorean.

07:58

That’s my Baltimore wall.

Nestor J. Aparicio  08:00

This is my Tampa wall. Okay, we’re in Tampa now these days? Yeah, I’ve been in

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Tampa since November of 86. Alright, brief I grew up in Baltimore City moved to Baltimore County was about 13 went to Milford Milford High School spent three undistinguished academic years there. I guess my claim to fame was I played baseball a couple of years, went to UNBC spend four undistinguished years there, but got through. But I’ve been basically writing since I was a little kid. I mean, I used to go into my room when I was nine years old on a little wheel manual typewriter, and write my own game stories. I mean, I knew I wanted to either play baseball professionally, or write about it. From the time I was a tyke.

Nestor J. Aparicio  08:48

By the way, that’s what setting them would have said about his life. Because he played minor league ball. And when he couldn’t anymore, all I wanted to do was write about it.

08:54

I think so. Yeah, never mind. My dad took me to the doubleheader, the day that Frank hit the ball out of the memorial. And I guess he had sprung for better tickets, and we’re sitting, like, just right next to the press box. And nine year old Joe was like looking in there. And all these guys are wearing a hat with the press. And I told that I said, I’m either gonna be there on the field or there. So I mean, I knew what I wanted to do. So I graduated a month out of school, I get a job and weekly paper, Howard County long ago, the phone sports editor there a couple of years. Then I decided to try and make it as I was looking for full time work. But back then, I mean, this was the height of the journalism craze and it was harder to get jobs. So I took a job throwing stock at night at the giant butt all during the day and a lot of young writers do this. As you know, I just wrote my tail off man I was stringing for the Annapolis capitol. PD sent no I was working with Dave Ginsburg. He worked with

Nestor J. Aparicio  10:02

Jake great Joe gross. And you know, thanks, man, Dan.

10:06

No question was Joe Hopkins his son Mark Jerry Jackson, Chris glass, and Brett Freeland

Nestor J. Aparicio  10:15

Freelander, I was gonna give you prep for the I was gonna give him to you. I was gonna give you bread. I met right in the press box to Capitol center. 1985, man, great

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guys. And now like me, I worked there like six months. So I was streaming wanted to hire me didn’t have anything. And long story short, it’s like summer of 84. And I see an opening at Carroll County Times wasn’t having much luck. So my dad came out to law. I was living in Florida because I had a roommate, but eventually I got my own place. And I had this package I was gonna put in the mail and he said, anything I can do for you. I kissed the envelope, gave it to him as and said here, maybe you had better luck to me. A couple days later. Carroll County calls. Long story short, I got the job. But this is the magic of somebody like Ginsburg. I had only really been a stringer with him for a couple of months. But we just developed a really good friendship. And you know what a good guy Dave is. And

Nestor J. Aparicio  11:18

I still follow all of his meals and pursuits in Jamaica on even though he’s retired. Apparently, he’s living

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the life but good for him. And he had a great career. But at that point, he was a weekly sports editor for the PG Sentinel string, and for Ira Rosenfeld and AAP out of Washington, and being a cashier at the giant, so he busted his tail. But and that is me. She’s Charles Perry, and the managing editor shuffling through papers, and he pulls out. This paper has a piece of paper. And he looks at me and says this guy, Dave Ginsberg, he basically is saying we’d be nuts if we don’t hire you. So I’m thinking, I gotta say something quick on my feet. When he said, Dave’s a smart guy. He knows what he’s talking about. They call them. I mean, the interview was going well, but they called me the next day. So got hired in Carroll County. Really enjoyed my time there. Because it was a, it was a staff like me, I was 27 at the time. So some of the people were a little younger, a little older. A lot of the writers there went on to the sun, some of them went out of state. So I was there like two and a half years. Always wanted to get out of the cold. I mean, that’s not the only reason I want to be Baltimore. But I basically was just applying to a lot of papers in Florida and my wife, my fiancee at the time, had an ad in St. Augustine and her parents had just moved to Venice, about an hour and a half south of Tampa. We come down here Labor Day on vacation, and I lined up all these interviews from Jacksonville to Sarasota. They didn’t have openings. But those sports editors were good enough to talk to me. Since we get that to Baltimore. Six weeks later, I get a call from the Tampa Tribune. It was the day of Game Six of the 1986 World Series the ground ball through but you know, you remember the ground ball through but

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:12

I was working at the Sun then I was in the sun sports department at six. Yeah, yeah. So

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go down. Interview get the jobs. I start in Tampa. November of 86 started as a an editor in one of their northern bureaus, but they promised me that eventually, like within a year, they would move me to Tampa. I said, I hope you do because my wife needs a job. She you know, she has a great job. She’s the education director for the Johnny bird Alzheimer’s Institute here at University of South Florida. Just that important work. Yeah, there is a man she deals with caregivers does great work. Very proud of

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:53

her. See him at home life at Tampa. You’ve been going 3540 years. Bingo. Yeah,

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my kids. My daughters are born here. They’re 34 I’m 29. So this fascination

Nestor J. Aparicio  14:02

with the Colts and Tom Matty, or your Ravens fan or Buccaneers fan. So

14:06

here’s how it works. You come down here and everybody expects you to immediately adopt the team’s here but you know, forget your ties. So I haven’t that tied with Tom. And this is all in the introduction. Yes. I was just something about Tom. Remember that show chorale and the coats. I have tapes of

Nestor J. Aparicio  14:25

those that were given given to me over the years like literally audio tapes of that show. Me an older man 20 People will just drop stuff off at the radio station. Say I got some tapes of Chuck Thompson. I got on what to do with them getting to you. They thought I was gonna put them on the radio or could legally even do that. But I have old elements. I mean, I have cool stuff. You know I do. Yeah.

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So and Tom was great. He they have more than just about every week because he was a great quote. And he was funny he was a few sort of, you know, I’m a little guy by said I just liked this guy. And then eventually later I got his autograph. One year at training camp. It funny in Westminster, you know, and I ended up working there. No time goes on. And I’m watching Tom’s career. And, you know, I’m saying he stays connected with football. He’s a broadcaster for CBS for a couple of years. And then I’m seeing what he does when the Colts leave town. He’s trying to bring the USFL and Canadian team you know, he’s still involved with raising money to bring a team there. He was great friends with modell. And I mean, he wasn’t one of the movers and shakers behind Modelle movie, but they had conversations like RT, RT was broke at the time. And you know, Cleveland wasn’t doing anything for him as far as the stadium. And Maddie was very close to him. In fact, it’s in the books. I don’t want to get too far off the rails, but Tom almost ended up playing with Jim Brown in the browns in the early 60s. I’ll just leave that for the reader to find out.

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:01

But which would have been his dream, his hometown kid, your smart guy,

16:05

but you know him? Yeah, it’s in the book. And so he’s telling our Look, man, we got money for a stadium down here. This area will love you forever to bring the NFL bat. And then I see okay, they they bring the team back Tom’s radio analyst reverse tenure. So I’m just kind of following him. Going back to what was it like 9394, when the bucks were up for sale, and Angelo’s was thinking about buying them. And

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:34

I’ve written about that now. So that’s in the Peter principles, you can go read that whole chapter.

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Book, I don’t disagree with you. How do you feel about the whole family? I got it. But what happened was,

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:47

how they feel about me.

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So I’m down here and then we had another guy on staff, great writer, name was Martin fennelly just passed a couple of months ago. He was from Missouri. So we go to our executive sports editor and say, Why don’t you send us to these two cities that lost teams, and we’re going to write the story about what it’s like when your team leaves. So these people in Tampa will see your team stinks. I mean, at that point, the Bucs were the worst team in the NFL,

Nestor J. Aparicio  17:18

for Culverhouse, but no money. It was it was the whole thing was a mess. Right. It was a

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straight losing seasons. I mean, until Dungy got here and straightened everything out it. It was a mess. But we had a team good

Nestor J. Aparicio  17:29

looking jerseys. Oh, I’ll tell you that love. That’s why we’re school. Yeah,

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I wish they were to creamsicle orange all the time instead of once a year. So I’m in Baltimore, and I get a contact and I talk to Tom Brady’s usual hate, you know, trashed errs, say, but Tom being Tom. He said, Look, you know, the city fathers and the people running state government. They’re culpable in this too. And they were I mean, you can’t look at that whole situation without realizing some mistakes were made by Peyton or say everybody hated him. And this is all in the book, too. So yeah. So we had that, you know, conversation with Tom and you know, that was involved with the Ravens. Getting to the crux of the book, it’s 2020 COVID. I want one line. And I see that this letter that he sent to Kendall Hinton, who was going to play quarterback, excuse me for the Broncos, because the first three guys in front of them all came down with COVID. And was like Tom, I mean, he had played a little quarterback, I think at Wake Forest, but he was basically a non roster, wide receiver. Long story short, Tom sends him this, this nice note, which ends up actually being the epilogue in the book because it was a perfect capper on the book. And I’m thinking has somebody ever written a book about Tom? Surely they have, because he’s always in the media. He’s always been quoted. I check it out, do my research, nobody’s written anything about them. And then I’m talking to gins Ginsberg. I’m up there, you know, visiting family and friends. And I’m telling them I’m thinking about the book. And I was surprised nobody had done anything. And gins in inimitable way of his says, whoa, Joe, you know, a lot of the guys that may have written a book about him aren’t around anymore. Oh, there’s no question about that. And yeah, but all those guys in the United States had hundreds of books. Probably

Nestor J. Aparicio  19:31

this was a calling for you with Tom Matty’s what you’re telling was,

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but I was always I’ve had near misses with books. I mean, I had a close I had a contract for a book with Joe Maddon, but that fell through. So I’m thinking there’s a book here and Tom’s life story is a book that I started researching. It’s eventually I get a hold of Tom, who’s actually on vacation down the ocean with Dan Sullivan. And he says, you know, you No, he says, you know, I’m quoted a lot, and then I’d be honored to do it. And then a calm couple of weeks later, we started doing some background research because I didn’t have the contract yet. I was just kind of putting the whole proposal together. His wife, Judy gets on the phone and says, you know, Tom has like, early to mid stage dementia. And I knew that through my research, but he loves talking about the old days, it’ll be good for him kind of cathartic. And we start in on it. And yeah, I mean, we had a lot of interviews, the three months before he got really sick. And we went into hospital for the last time. But yeah, he repeated things a lot. But every time he repeated a story, it was the same story. He didn’t vary from that. And, obviously, fact checked everything. And you don’t meet up with guys like Maddie where he just, he makes he and God just made sure like a long lost son. And I really only knew him essentially for three months. And it’s in the introduction, how I never got to meet them. Because my wife and I had come up there. I was late September 21. And I had everything scheduled I was going to meet during a time at their apartment, and the day before he goes in the hospital for final time. So a couple of weeks. This is Tom, couple of weeks later, a Call of Duty just to see how Tom’s doing doesn’t forget the book, I just, you know, we become close. He finds out it’s me. And this is in the hospital room. And I’m here talking to Judy, St. Joe, my editor, buddy, give me the phone. I said, Tom, well, I’m not going to ask you about the book, I just want to see how you’re feeling to not screw it. I’d rather talk football and with these doctors that are sticking all these needles in me. That was the dude that was the man. I mean, and that was the last time I talked to him. I mean, I get emotional talking about it, you know, because he died like three weeks later. And then a lot of people said, oh, you know, my friends were saying, oh, man, I’m so sorry. How are you going to write the book? I already had enough. I put the proposal together. And I sent a query letter long story short to the publisher and told them like

Nestor J. Aparicio  22:09

a real author, you have to go out and get like a publisher they meet you. Right? You know, it’s different than me just putting a book together and saying I’m gonna sell it because that’s why I did it. Well, I know the way you do it. No, I see Eisenberg. I’m like, I can’t do it that way.

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I mean, it’s, you know, proposal is a parts. I mean, it’s there’s so much that goes into just getting it but the acquisitions editor said, if you still think you can do the book, go ahead, but how to write three sample about one sample chapter, but it ended up being the first three chapters of the book. Long story short, I’m working on it, summer of 22. And I finally get the contract in September of 22. And basically took like a year and a half to write it, but it was so much fun. That’s I mean, I’m talking with all these guys, I grew Ernie Accorsi Bill Curry. Upton Bell was incredible.

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:04

Often on the show, he’s freaking cycling. It’s incredible.

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So yeah, I mean, that’s the genesis of the book. Yeah.

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:13

Joe boilies. Our guest the book is Last Man Standing how Tom Maddies memorable 1965 Season highlighted a remarkable and NFL career. Um, I guess we just bring this back to you and your final chat with Tom, how did this stuff change the book in any way? I mean, if you had another hour or five hours, 10 hours with him? Would that have changed the book or like you said to you know, like, you feel like you spent a goodly amount of time with him enough to make the book as good as it was going to be no matter what.

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Maybe a little more depth. But we had gotten up to the point of Super Bowl five, which was pretty much near the end of his career. So, you know, I had the whole backstory of Ohio State Woody Hayes. What I didn’t have maybe was post retirement. But that’s when I talked to guys up there like that he worked with like Garceau, Bruce Cunningham, Johnny Holliday, and you know, so that was his broadcasting career. Judy filled it. Tom was a smart guy. I mean, he had all these businesses that he was into. I mean, I didn’t know that he had a rib shack at Camden. The first year was open only lasted like a year or two. But he was like, right down the street. Remember that now? Right down the road from boots?

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:35

Well, Tom was a salesman too, and he pimps stuff and sold stuff. And, you know, I think he was still doing the bath vendor commercials. Right. Like, and, you know, I knew Tom through the Buy and buy and sponsorship and the flaming pit and all of that stuff. I would say of Tom in the kindest way I can. Because my wife would say to me, I think I mean, you saw my documentary I think of myself as As an entrepreneur and as a writer and a bold move on, and you know, my wife says to your professional socializer um, so you know, I would say about Maddie he was like sort of a little bit of in his retirement and incredible Mater D and incredible host and incredible, genial run of house to meet anyone under any circumstance could talk business could talk football, could talk life a little bit. Just like people, Tom like talking to people, Tom neat. It was like oxygen for people not that they all wanted his autograph. Or even kids want to hear the legend of the wristband or whatever and they would read in your book. It’s just like, I don’t know how people think I’m more extroverted than I’ve become later in life. I like to quiet and writers. Part of being a writer really is that Jack Nicholson in The Shining where like, you spend a lot of time alone when you write. And that’s the weirdest part of being a writer. That’s anti my personality. But Tom loved people, there was never a bad day for Tom Matty to be out having lunch somewhere with somebody at a golf this or that or religious this or they nondenominational as you well know. He could wear a yarmulke you go east side, west, but he black, white, male, female horse racing wherever he can talk to people. And that’s such a gift beyond being a football player, or celebrity or tough guy or any of that kind of stuff. It’s just he was good with people because people of his arrow worker with people was a Midwestern man, like all of that, that we he’s gone and we’re still saying good things about him. And that’s all that I could ever ask for, for people to say. We’ve already talked nice about who Stedman a lot of deceased people all I can open doors that for any of us is that we made a difference. And he made a real difference in Baltimore, Tom, Maddy,

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you’re touching on a lot of the themes of the book. And I call it the six degrees of Tom Mati, because he touched so many people in so many walks of life. I mean, even when he was playing, I mean, there’s a funny story in there when he’s playing in the Green Bay playoff game. And he’s under the pole. And, you know, it was well known that even in the RAM game, they were trying to yank that wristband off. And he’s under the pole in the packer game. And lich king is yanking it this thing, and Tom saying, What are you doing? You know, unless you say you don’t need that damn thing. You don’t need any extra advantages. And Tom in a humorous way, in his in the heat of battle, just says, right? I’m no quarterback, I need all the help I can get, you know, and then they just had a little friendly exchange. But yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Even in post retirement. The thing is, you can’t write about Tom and not write about the old coach. You just can’t. And he was involved with bringing football back. And, you know, even though he was from Ohio, me he and Judy just grew to love the city. And you’re right. I mean, he was all over the place. There’s a great story in the book, I won’t give it away, where he Bruce Cunningham and Garcelle were on the road. Doing a game and the night before the game, there’s a wedding. And that’s all gonna say because it’s a great story.

Nestor J. Aparicio  28:21

I was gonna ask you if you have a favorite Tom Matty.

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You know, I’ll give it to you. So they’re on the road. So I think was Indianapolis. Actually. That’s what makes a story good. And they’re coming in the three of them are coming down to the lobby to go out to dinner this Saturday, right before the game. And there’s a wedding reception. And all of a sudden, Tom goes over there and starts talking to these people. And, you know, he sees that there’s a Baltimore connection there. And he takes off his Super Bowl ring. He’s like, we can sniff that out a mile away with a ring on he’s taking pictures with the bride and cutting him loose kind of hands on one telling me the story. And he said it was Maddie just work in the room. Like work in

Nestor J. Aparicio  29:06

the room. I can hear Cunningham saying that about Maddie. Yeah, so fashional socializer. There it is. Of course, he

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had a great story about when they were playing golf. They must have been playing a basketball tournament. And there are two shots down probably the 17th or 18th hole and they’re behind a tree or something. And Tom is telling Ernie that all you got to do is just get the shout out here get it close to the green. We can win this thing we that was tough. I mean, he was always Mr. super positive. It times dude. He told me it even heard of a little bit in in his business dealings. Because he never He didn’t come did not know how to lose. He only knew how to win. But that was one of the great things about his personality.

Nestor J. Aparicio  29:51

Joe coyly is our guest. He is an author and a reformed sports writer a journalist like We

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don’t we’re not reformed. I mean, if you cut me open I’d still believe black. I’m just like a lot of guys that had to make adjustments you know, when the the profession kind of went sideways and paper started still

Nestor J. Aparicio  30:13

going sideways around here they throw out the Venezuelan reporter and just you know make up stuff about how they don’t let them in anymore. I mean, stuff that’s um, thinkable in the era of Tom, Matty and Johnson, I’ve

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done a lot of freelance writing over the years kept my hand in it. But if I can say this, the book is kind of like, Joe rising from the journalistic ashes. I mean, getting myself back out there. It’s already kind of opening a couple other doors for potential other projects. But it was a labor of love to do. I mean, I did a lot of it late at night, because I’m a night owl. And both every second. Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  30:54

I’ll tell you why folks can get out there and pick the book up not available this minute, right? Like it’s coming out in a couple of weeks. You can order it right now, August 6,

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but it’s on Amazon for pre order now. You can pre order it. I will be up there doing some book signings in August. They just haven’t been set up yet. We’re waiting for a couple of dominoes to fall. No worries. No

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worries. Well, we’re running this that week and let people know where to find you. How about that.

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You’re beautiful, man. Appreciate it.

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All right. Last Man Standing out Tom Matt. He’s memorable. 1965 Season highlighted a remarkable NFL career. Joel has been telling about this book for a little while. Let’s come down. I’m glad that we can make some time and tell some time Maddie stories. You made me laugh. You made me choke up at least twice in this one. And I’m glad we we could reconvene I wish you all luck and we’re gonna I’m sure I’ll be hearing about this. And when the time comes here come the fall. Well, we’ll we’ll bring this thing back to life a little bit brings some more life into Tom’s life. All right, yeah. Let’s

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stay in touch. Keep him honest up there, man. Just real quick. How’s your wife doing?

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My wife’s beautiful she broke her ankle last weekend. But other than that she’s doing all right. She’s limping around, got her boot on and on feeling really good. And you know, it is interesting, you would ask my wife because the last rep for I brought you on i wikepedia Tom and I didn’t realize he died from the complications of leukemia. At the end of his life, so very kind of dementia. My wife, Joel boilies, our guests the foreword and the books by Jack Nicklaus. You know, it’s good. He is down to Tampa living the good life, much like some other of our friends that made their way to Jacksonville or the late great Chris Thomas. That’ll be in our next segment you and I do. We went down to Tampa and made the rest of the good life down there. And Rick Vaughn as well who comes on time and time as well. New

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autos, guys. Carnivale worse man. Absolutely

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all

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ended up retiring. 15 minutes for me down the road and grow. We got all

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the old voices in the bullet scar, Vela sheets. Come on, you’re 30 years ago, back in the day, so and Stedman had a line and I’m gonna give this to you, Joel. And this is not an insult in any way. You are truly a young old timer at this point. So there’s a John Steadman line for you if you’ve ever had one, I am Nestor, my 25th anniversary, a documentary and the 25th anniversary cupcake all out now. If you like old stories, and you’d like old people like me talking about older people like John, you will dig my my documentary as well. And I want to give a shout out to Towson transfers. And my buddy Greg Landrieu for putting that together that has educated folks like Joel about how the connections work between people like me and Stedman and Maddie and Unitas and Brooks and Boog and i By the way, that 26 chair you got behind me it’s been screaming booth Powell and Johnny Oates at me the entire segment so from

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their from Memorial when they were doing the demolition, and I had my brother in law gave me a couple when he shipped them, and I fixed them up. I should have paid one royal blue and white, so I had one orange and black room but you know, they’re all real colors.

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I used to have a kazoo on the desk here and I could play the Colts fight song on the kazoo that was as back in the 90s though we’re gonna break we’re gonna come back Lucas to and baseball Lucas doing football. We’ve been doing a lot of stuff this summer. A lot of rock star has been coming on. Tom has stole we stopped by Mark Brian from Hootie and the Blowfish stopped by so you never know what’s gonna happen around your summer except you’re probably going to win again tonight. I am Nestor. We are WNS am 1570, Towson Baltimore. And we never stop talking Baltimore positive