Rock and roll hair, Brian Jack, football, Hammerjacks and the Cinderella story of Hershey heavy metal history

In a never-ending effort to bring Baltimore strangers together and make ’em friends, Nestor finally gets his lifer pal and rocker John Allen together with longtime NFL agent Chad Wiestling to discuss how the intersection of rock and roll and sports changed their lives at The Beaumont on the Maryland Crab Cake Tour presented by The Maryland Lottery.

Nestor Aparicio, John Allen, and NFL agent Chad Wiestling discussed their experiences and connections in music and sports. John Allen shared his journey in rock and roll, including his band Child’s Play and his current project, Stone Horses. Chad Wiestling talked about his career in NFL scouting, representing players like Josh Jacobs, and his experiences with bands like Cinderella. They reminisced about their shared history, including attending concerts and the impact of rock and roll on their lives. The conversation also touched on the upcoming M3 Rock Festival, where John Allen’s band Child’s Play will perform.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Rock and roll, NFL draft, John Allen, Chad Wiestling, Child’s Play, Stone Horses, M3 Rock Festival, Maryland lottery, Hagerstown, Cinderella, tour bus, music production, long hair, football players, Baltimore.

SPEAKERS

Nestor Aparicio, John Allen, Chad Wiestling, Speaker 1

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Nestor Aparicio  00:00

Welcome all. We are W, N, S, T am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore. Positive the singer and drummer and audio technician is screwing with his microphone here. It’s all brought to you by the Maryland lottery. It’s back to the future. I’ll have these for the next couple of weeks to give away. We’re going to be at Cocos on the 30th. We’re gonna be Cooper’s on the 23rd red brick station on the seventh of May, my old stomping grounds of White Marsh. We’re here in Catonsville on the 21228, where life is great. State Fair across the street, El Guapo in the basement, rocking it up the street. We’re here at the Beaumont under the big chandelier I would give these guys to pull that I would give these guys big steaks and crab cakes. But John Allen is pissing me off right now. You

John Allen  00:43

don’t have to do you got so you got a microphone for you

Nestor Aparicio  00:53

friends. Chad weaseling is here, NFL Scout extraordinary, especially when my voice is like, let you guys talk for a while. Sound great. Chad, how are you nervous about the draft? You got kids in the draft. What do you got going on? I got two

Chad Wiestling  01:05

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guys nervous now. I’ve been doing this for 26 years, so it’s pretty Ronda mill at this point. The kids are nervous, though, right? Yeah, they’re nervous, yeah, yeah. So and I will say, Well, my the guys that I have right now, I have one that is projected probably day three. Big offensive tackle from Oklahoma, state, Big Country Boy, like, so you cowboy, yeah, so, from a small town Oklahoma, like, with 500 people, Prague. You ever played there? It’s somewhere outside of Tulsa, so, but it’s a small town, but, so I got him, and then actually just signed another kid yesterday that Kennedy palmula, who was the running backs coach, long time running back coach in the NFL, was with Seahawks. Now he called me. It’s his nephew who’s related to Troy Palama and all that stuff. So he was looking to make a switch, and he played in Nebraska and then transferred to New Mexico.

Nestor Aparicio  02:00

Switch ages as quick as they switch colleges these days, right? You know? I mean, sometimes they

Chad Wiestling  02:05

do, they do. It’s crazy. So, yeah, so it’s just getting ready for that and so just those two guys, but it’s in Green Bay this year, so of course, I represent Josh Jacobs, so I’m going to be up. He’s got a lot of appearance. He’s gonna be busy. Yeah, yeah. So it’s, it’s good week for for that as well. Good week for me. He feels good about you signing up the Green Bay. He’s, he’s happy, yeah. He loves it up there. He loves it, all right. So full background

Nestor Aparicio  02:29

here. John Allen and I have known each other since birth. Basically, his band is playing at m3 not mp 3m, three, it’s child’s play. It won’t be Charm City devils, it won’t be stone horses won’t be SR 71 and that happens next week. So John and I done some rock and roll together. Chad, I’ve known what. No

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John Allen  02:50

go ahead. Did we establish did we go to Sunday school together, too?

Nestor Aparicio  02:54

Bubba zinc, were you there? Were you in Sunday did you go to CCD at Our Lady of Fatima, of course. Who was your teacher? Mr. Larry. Was he your teacher? I don’t

John Allen  03:03

know. I went there for several years. I mean, I’m a dropout. I’m a Sunday school dropout. And look at you.

Nestor Aparicio  03:08

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Look at how it turned out. Good old boys playing school. Stay in school. Kids read your read your drink your milk, eat your cookies, read the

John Allen  03:17

Bible interrupted. How long you know? Well, I

Nestor Aparicio  03:19

I’ve known you, what, 25 years? Maybe, probably, yeah, so my longtime ticket broker, who was Mike Collins, who was always involved when we would do trips to New England Super Bowl and whatnot. And I mean, I’ve knew Mike before. God. I knew Mike in the early 90s because Steve Hennessy, my partner, was, went to Maryland with him. They were fraternity brothers. I was gonna say sorry, but I got, I knew I got that wrong, right? I guess I’ve known you since maybe the turn of the century, 25 years. Probably, yeah, probably he was an agent. He was always afraid of me. He would come to Super Bowl every year, endeavor, afraid. But you never like coming on the air. Is what I’m saying. You’re always afraid of the mic. It was not about me. It was never me. This is right? It’s never about me. It’s, it’s about the player. So, well, you’re an old football player yourself, right? Right, right? So give your background to everybody who you are, because I try to tell John who you are, and I try to try to tell, I don’t need to tell you who John is, because you’re a fan of John’s. But, like, I tried to explain this in your parlance of like you played and then you fell into this agent thing. I don’t know why. I think you have the hardest job on Earth,

Chad Wiestling  04:24

right? Yeah. And you’re correct. It just fell on my laps, or my laps, my lap, you know, I didn’t go to school for it wasn’t my lifelong dream. What have you. I didn’t know what I wanted to do. I went to school, played at University of Maryland, when you thought you could play in the league. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think everybody does when you get to that point, your your dream is to play on Sundays, and there you’re on the field against Florida State, you’re feeling like, hey, you know, yeah, until they beat you about 55

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Nestor Aparicio  04:51

I was in a few of those. Yeah, sometimes it was okay at halftime. It’s

Chad Wiestling  04:55

funny, you said that Florida State, because they remember, they just came in the AC. See 91 or 92 so that’s when I was, when I was at Maryland, and that team was insane. I was talking to, I was talking to Kevin Plank, actually, and a few other guys about that, because he was on the team as well. And it was like, Charlie Ward was the quarterback who won the Heisman. It was like, you know, amply work done. Was like a fresh bone. Where wasn’t there yet? Derek Brooks, William Floyd, me was an NFL roster. Yeah, you know. And you know, it’s bad. This is a funny running joke amongst us, the guys that played there or played against them, and it was down in Tallahassee. You know it’s bad when guys in the third or fourth quarter are breaking long runs, they don’t even have a name on her back. We’d be in the huddle. You’re like, he’s like, he’s like, a walk on, you know, they’re just, you know, they were up by like, 50. He was like, Good lord. So this, you know, this stories that you have, you know, over the years, but funny ones, not well, the

Nestor Aparicio  05:56

horse comes out and the guy takes a spear, oh yeah, she just

Chad Wiestling  05:59

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puts through your heart.

Nestor Aparicio  06:02

Well, is this, we’re going back a long time, but then you’ve been aging since ish then? Well,

Chad Wiestling  06:08

no, actually, I got into it in 99 so when I was done playing, was done in 93 tore my knee, you know, ripped my knee up at the end or my senior year. So I kind of missed that whole window stuff, and I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And wanted to do, and so I decided to go back to graduate school. And I was thought I would become a coach, you know, because that’s I didn’t, you know. I went to school play football. I really didn’t take school rules serious, to be honest, so, but got my degree, and then the natural progression, I think a lot of people go through because they didn’t, you know, that’s the problem. Even with NFL players a day. They don’t have a plan or, you know, or college player. That’s why you’re there. They don’t know, yeah, they don’t know what to you know, what to do, because they’ve been playing football ever since third, you know, third grade or what have you. So, you know, then I saw I was like, Hey, I’m gonna go back to graduate school become a coach. So I was a graduate assistant for University of Maryland for two years. Vander Linden, maybe no. Vander Linden, I was, I was with Duffner. Okay, okay, great, yeah, great, man. So it was there, and then, then, when I was done with graduate school, then I took a job with Philadelphia Eagles and was worked in the scouting department. Bobby de Paul, you know? Oh, sure, Bobby D, yeah, yeah, Bobby hired me, so got a job with eagles. Look like a guy Bobby would hire. It’s funny though. It’s funny though I look kind of, I mean, I had long hair at the time. Well, this is where the story of the Hagerstown thing. Well, it was, it was my only time, because, you know, when you playing football back in that time, in the 80s and early 90s, members like, you know, the whole clean cut, you know, Joe Paterno is and and, you know, even the coaches, coaches could dictate what, what players could do. Like, no earrings, no no. You know, kind of keep hair short, no facial hair, all that stuff. So that’s how it was. So when I was done, when I got double graduate school, I kind of was in that I went, I moved, I actually moved down to

Nestor Aparicio  08:06

Florida, sort of Rob Ryan era, maybe, like, sort of like what I’m going through right now. So I

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Chad Wiestling  08:11

moved down to Florida, and because a former coach of mine was went down to open, like, start a gym, you know, and he was just like, he bought a gym down in Naples, Florida. I didn’t know where Naples was, and I didn’t know I had no job whatever. And I was, he’s like, call me. I was like, Jay, what are you doing? I was like, nothing. And he’s like, you want to go down to Florida with me and start a gym? He goes, it’s in Naples. I’m like, Where the hell is that at? And he’s like, Yeah. He goes, it’s on it’s on the beach. And I’m like, I’m there. So I pack up, drive all the way down. And as it started, you realize everybody’s 100 years old. When you get Yeah, pretty much, yeah, it was in Miami, exactly, very old. Every weekend, you’re like, let’s go over to the, you know, the east side, right. Drive over there and get get crazy over there. But so, you know, so that I did that, but anyhow, let my hair grow. Finally, it was kind of long in the first place, but they hit it all went like So Bobby called me up when I was down there, and said, hey, you know, we’re hiring the Eagles. You want to come up and hire so I still remember what I said, because I was like, it took forever for my hair to grow like that. You know, that was a big deal, right? And I was like, I’m not cutting it right. And I remember going into the, you know, because they

Nestor Aparicio  09:24

just hired me. It’s just like a Tesla song. You took off your hat. Imagine that right now. So I’m just like,

Chad Wiestling  09:29

you know, I’m there, I’m interviewing once again, wasn’t we didn’t have any zooms or anything like that. They interviewed me over the phone. Like, yeah, you’re hired. Drive up, be up here, leave on Thursday, be up here by Monday. So I drive up for, like, training camp, and I was like, not cutting it, not cutting it, you know, and I walk in, I remember, everyone was like, Who’s this guy, right? And I didn’t cut it. I didn’t cut it. I sent me a picture. Oh, I got it on my phone. I guess I’m on my phone, but I not many, because it wasn’t, you know, back then he had to throw away. Cameras,

Nestor Aparicio  10:00

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but I know you as a metalhead, but I don’t know you with long hair, right? No, well, it was no one really knows. I let my hair out for this segment because I had it pulled back. It’s the one time in my life My hair is longer than John’s, right? You know, because you had long hair forever.

John Allen  10:14

We did the crab cake tour. We were down near silver spring. I never told you this, so I still picture you with short hair, like from when you had, like,

Nestor Aparicio  10:25

crab cake in silver spring. You had sort of like a bleach box,

John Allen  10:28

I don’t know, but I you went to the bathroom, or I went to the bathroom, and, like, I was waiting for you and waiting for you. I’m like, Where the hell’s Nestor? I still don’t picture you with the long hair. And then I, like, looked, and I was like, Oh, he’s been here, like, for five minutes areas I didn’t recognize you. Like, like, I still picture you seventh grade.

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Nestor Aparicio  10:48

Is it weird you out long hair? It weirds everybody out you’ve known me longer than anybody I don’t I had long hair in the early 90s, and I told my wife, is my hair was cut publicly on television in april of 1994 by Brad Pennington, all the baseball players gave me a hard time. Brady Anderson, Messina. Messina would hang out with me just make fun of my hair. This is in 9293 94 it was, but it was very Eddie Vedder, so I had a girlfriend. My girlfriend, Aaron, at the time, Penn State girl like long hair. And I was at hammer jacks. I was the only guy in hammer Jacks who didn’t have long hair. Like, 8889 90 I’m in their short hair. Music critic guy, these guys all like they’re channeling their their inner head, bangers ball, and they’re in bands. And everybody back all the girls had hair, all the boys had hair, all the bar backs had hair. Mickey coachelli even had hair and I didn’t have it. And then I had a girlfriend, and she loved Robin Zander, and she liked long haired rock stars and whatnot. And she’s like, You should let it grow. I never had a girl even recommend that my father wouldn’t liked it so he was alive. But I let it grow. Let it grow, let it grow, but I mull it in. I mean, I didn’t like it hanging in the front. I didn’t want bangs. So after it got long, it got Eddie Vedder by level, Canadian hockey player, Barry Melrose mullet. You know what year was this? 90, 234,

John Allen  12:12

if you were only like a decade off with the with the BI level, like when, when that was, it wasn’t holding down.

Nestor Aparicio  12:21

Yeah, by the way, Wang Chung is coming on the show next. Does a little plug? Everybody have fun tonight. So I the baseball players all gave me I went on the radio in 9192 from being the music critic. 9293 there’s no football here, right? CFL, but the Orioles were the only thing that mattered, and I was at the ballpark all the time, right? By the way, dear Katie Griggs, she’s getting her letter from me this weekend, so look for so look for that. It’ll come right when the bobblehead for David Rubenstein comes. And they all gave me ish and Brad Pennington, six foot six country boy from Kentucky. Was when you cutting your hair, when you cut your hair, they just give me a hard time. It was funny, but they weren’t jerks about it. Was kind of it. They would all go drinking with me after games or whatnot. And I said, depend. I was ready to get rid of it. I dumped my girlfriend. Was April of 94 Pearl Jam, and that was in but I was done with the hair. And I said to Pennington, I think you want to make a bet. We’ll make a bet that you can’t walk a guy tonight if you, if you go one appearance without a walk. I did the schtick on the air in 19 Can you imagine modern doing it? I mean, you imagine Greg Bader or Chad Steele allowing me to do this with a player on the air. I said, if you walk one guy tonight, you don’t get to cut my hair, but if you have a perfect appearance, he walked you guys, but I let him cut it anyway. You know what I mean, because we had it set up at Hooters, and all the hooded places packed. There were 200 I have video of all of it. I think Jamie Costello might have been there. He’s coming out a couple weeks now, but he cut my hair, held it up, we sold a chair. So that was the end. So that was in 94 and then my life unfolded. I did my show. I did all that stuff. I dyed my hair blonde for a little while, two tone, right? But I met my wife at oh two, and I told her I had long hair. She’s like, where? And I swear I didn’t have pictures. I mean, was that arrow? We didn’t carry cameras around or whatever. But I the old video tape I had, and I converted that down. I showed it. She couldn’t believe it. I don’t think I have three pictures, like, real pictures of me. And if I did, my hair may have been like, sort of hiding, like you would Eagles camp, right? Wait, you cut

John Allen  14:21

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your hair in a restaurant in Hooters?

Chad Wiestling  14:25

Yes, for charity, that was the hair on his wings.

Nestor Aparicio  14:29

Well, they were out of business. So anyway, the plague happened, and I couldn’t get my hair cut. So it just started to go and go and go. And my wife, at that time, caught her hair, and she cut the curls from her chemo out of her hair. Now her hair is bone straight again, like she had really Kinky Curly, like Annie curls, beautiful curls, Barbra Streisand, kind of curls the first time, and then the second time she had, what I have, like this wavy, wavy thing. And then she cut it and it, it was. Over right there were chemo. I started to curl right away up here. She’s like, Hey, your hair’s got body. Let me get some product. And I look like young Einstein for about three months in the summer of 2000 and then it got like, a little jam going, like at the end of 220 20. And I’m like, let’s see what happens. So weird. You would say to me how long your hair was. My wife grabbed my ass yesterday. My hair is really long, like, if I turn, it’s almost getting down to, like, the middle, toward the middle, and she grabbed my hair. She’s like, Dude, you got to cut this. And I’m like, What Are You My Mother? I said, I’m no, I’m not. I said, first off, I’m independent. I’m gonna do what the hell I want. I think you guys know that, right? So I said, why? Like, why are you recommending this? Am I getting you more attractive? Am I good? Why? What do you think? She’s like, it’s good to curl better google it. And I’m like, so I did, and she’s right. She’s like, if you get rid of the weight you you had long hairs. Is that right? Tell me about long hair, John, please tell me how to manage your we are talking Am I using the wrong conditioner? I

John Allen  16:03

don’t have the same kind of hair as you, so my hair didn’t curl. I don’t know what you’re talking about. So

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Nestor Aparicio  16:10

you never how much effort did it take to be a rock star with your hair? Is it very easy for long hair for you, it is for me, I don’t do any talking

John Allen  16:17

about a long time ago. My the best was in the 90s when I got a clipper and I buzzed it off. And that was fantastic. You hated it. It was great. I mean, I like

Nestor Aparicio  16:32

you shower when you look at yourself in those videos like rat race and stuff, because you were all hair dude, and you were all arms, and you played as genus shocks. He hit him hard, didn’t he? That’s what she said to me. She had a hard video

John Allen  16:46

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or something. Oh no. Well, I played drums behind her. So, yeah, but

Nestor Aparicio  16:50

your hair, but your hair, like, I mean, as a dude with hair, it, sometimes it’s in the way and whatever, but I kind of like it. I’m okay with here’s

John Allen  16:59

I remember of some nights, you know, the drumsticks like getting all chewed up from hitting cymbals. Right? One night, I’m rocking out, throwing the hair around, and I go to hit a cymbal, and it was like, the stick got caught. Brad got caught in my main and I’m, you know, I’m playing a song, and I’m like, oh, you know, he just, he had played through and rip out a big hunk of your

Nestor Aparicio  17:22

I would admit something about you. These are my real friends by the man. Chad weaseling is here. I drink beer with him in the real world. And can’t we go to Orio games? He’s got his royal hat on. John Allen, my life for friend rock star, buddy m3 and and stone horses, and they’re playing as Charm City. No,

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Chad Wiestling  17:39

yeah, my first, my

Nestor Aparicio  17:41

last, my everything. All right, I’m gonna admit something, and then we’re gonna talk about rock and roll, because I want to hear your hangers down, kick stuff and let go. I want to let you be fanboy with John, because that’s really why I brought you guys together today. Today was a gift to both of you to know each other, because you deserve each other. So, um, two weeks ago, Sunday, my wife’s out of town, I took shower, I put conditioner in my hair I’m gonna shave, which is away from the hair. You told me your drumstick. You told me your drumstick. Thing, it’s worse than that. I have like a con air brush that touches my hair twice a week. I once out up. I don’t touch my hair all. I don’t do anything. I do nothing to this. But it got caught. It got caught, and the brush snapped in half in the middle, and I pulled a pec muscle, and I couldn’t go on the yoga mat for two weeks. Really, it’s true. I hurt your hair so bad, like an offensive line pulling a peck muscle, brushing my hair. That’s true. I can’t believe I just admitted that

Chad Wiestling  18:44

at the moment, you’re old. Yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  18:50

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First time I thought I’m cutting this ish Chad, you’re rock and roll thing. Give John your fan boy thing, because you’re like, You are the world’s biggest John Allen fan, you are a child’s play fan of drum city, Devil fan, you’re all that.

Chad Wiestling  19:02

Yeah, no, I, I’m a rock and roll fan, man. I had older brothers and older sister. I was a baby growing up. So grew up in the 70s, and, you know, I remember just and I, I lost my my oldest brother a couple years ago, but he had the greatest album collection, you know. So I’ve go in there, purple. Oh yeah, yeah, see, yeah, you know. Then that was, you know, like, kiss alive. I remember opening that up and all the, you know, AC DC albums, kiss

Nestor Aparicio  19:30

alive. One was the gateway for literally everybody of our of our era, my cousin Nelson escondella, I remember listening to it on the second floor of his place. He opened he sent it home with me because it had a scratch in it, and he got another one for Christmas. Mine had a scratch in it, and I had it forever. And it was that, that was that changed everything. 1975 76 everything went

Chad Wiestling  19:52

over the top. Right. Brampton comes alive. You know, all those Boston, Oh,

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Nestor Aparicio  19:56

yeah. Steve Miller, Kansas, every belt buckle I have in my collection. Sure, right? Yeah,

Chad Wiestling  20:00

we, we’ve spoken about that. So, you know, that was my gateway, is pretty much to into music, you know. And it was just became, like said, just starting to listen to albums and then cassettes, and then heard you talking about Def Leppard, you know, I remember when pyromania came out, and just, you know, you would play the cassettes over and over, and they, you know, they’d get all jammed up, and you’d have to get a pencil, you know. And you know, the the writing would wear off. And, you know, you wouldn’t you, but you’d have the cassette memorized, you know, be like, Oh, that’s, you know, the coming up next, but I can’t read what’s on here, but, and it was coming up. So, yeah, just fell in love with with rock and roll, but Hagerstown kid, Oh, yeah. And of

Nestor Aparicio  20:41

course, going to contract, you had to get a car. We could go to capital center, civic center, right, yeah? But then Hagerstown, you’re a little more removed from that, yeah, we

Chad Wiestling  20:49

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had to come. I mean, any big act, it was the cap center, yeah, you know. And it was like, Oh my God, you know, it was a big ordeal, which shows, did you see their cap center? Oh, man, I’ve saw Jovi. So I’m thinking, and Mickey Steve was probably the one that got us the tickets, college, my college. But yeah, bon, Jovi. Kiss, you know who else Aerosmith trying to think, shoot, I can’t even remember that

Nestor Aparicio  21:18

back then. But why kicks? Kicks was a Hagerstown thing for you, right? Oh,

Chad Wiestling  21:22

yeah. And once again, they were, I mean, they were around since the 70s. They were the shoes. I remember my brothers and sisters talking about shoes going to the old mill. Yeah, that was, I

Nestor Aparicio  21:32

didn’t even know, see, I forgot about this. I didn’t know that they forgot

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Chad Wiestling  21:36

about this. That like it used to be, you know, the drinking age was 18. So, you know, once again, I’m still I was younger, but my and, I think my sisters and brothers were not 18 yet, either September 1, everyone was, you know, going to the old mill, or whatever. Have you ever been to the old mill? I never, was, never was it’s literally an old

John Allen  21:55

mill building built in the 1800s did you play there? Oh, yeah, yeah. It was as Child’s Play, yeah, okay, it sounded phenomenal because it was the wood was so old in there, you know, right? And our sound man told me a story before, way before he ran for us. He ran for a band called Kid blast, and he swore that the stage was in a different spot. It was actually out where the building kind of over hung, that that river, right? It’s on. And he said one night they were playing, and the wall collapsed, and he said, like, pieces of the drum kit were, like, floating down the reference, I don’t know if it’s a true story, but it was, it was a trip. So, yeah, that was a cool place. Yeah,

Chad Wiestling  22:34

yeah. So you know that. So then I mean, anytime kicks, I’m a die hard kicks, and you know that. So anytime kicks was around, I kind of grew up, you know, in the Hagerstown, Washington County area, they played everywhere. You know, any Steve would say, but coming to a dump near you, you know, they played everywhere, high schools, you know, fire halls, you name it. So as I was getting older, you know, when, obviously, in the mid 80s and stuff I was, you know, then cool kids came out. That was big, you know. And Brad Devins played on that one, yep, you know. So that was, you know, that was, you know, you had the first original one, or the kicks, their first album, which had the itch and all that stuff, that was big. And then cool kids. But then when midnight dynamite came out that was, that was like, you know, that’s what was the punch to the, to the to the gut, so, kids, is like, your first band that, oh yeah. I mean, yeah, that was, that was the best. So much, that’s

Nestor Aparicio  23:32

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what I want to hear from a

John Allen  23:33

Hagerstown guy, right? Well, that’s what I was gonna say. So much pride that they were from Maryland, you know, yeah, and

Chad Wiestling  23:39

I’m, that’s how, you know, man, I’m, I’m loyal to the end. So then, you know, so then, as I’m getting older, then I discovered Child’s Play, you know. And I’m getting to college, you know, 8990

John Allen  23:50

you know, used to play college park all the time at the Paragon before we got signed. I don’t know if we ever played there after the record came out, right? But, like, yeah, yeah. Up to 90, we were there and it was jamming. Man, that College Park was happening, yeah, then,

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Chad Wiestling  24:04

man, yeah, those cellar, the Paragon was above the above the cellar, yeah. But that was, you know, that was cool. And then you then go on to, then I, once I got, like you said, Hagerstown, which is right up the road, it’s right up the road, but it was such a big deal back then, come way down here, you know. But when I got to college, it’s like, then we’re going to, now I’m going. And it was only a handful of football players that were, like, rock guys, you know. And they were always, some of them were older. And of course, as I was freshmen that kind of took me in. I think really, because I was the one that had the car, when I look back at it, like, Hey, thanks for taking me in. Man, you’re like a senior on a game used a

Nestor Aparicio  24:44

little, yeah, exactly, yeah,

Chad Wiestling  24:47

exactly, exactly. So it’s like, hey, you know, let’s go to hammer jacks. So then we started, oh, hammer jacks. And that was like, blow your mind, right? Yes, yes. That was freak. It insane, you know. And just seeing the, you know, seeing kicks and Child’s Play, and, you know, you know, I tell you, one of the best shows that I’ve seen was 91 warrant under at hammer Jack’s. That was, that was right, when they were under cherry pie, when cherry pie came out. Yeah, they put on a good show. That was, that was, that was one of my favorites there. But just going there, because we could only go, obviously, you know, in the in the winter months, you know, because, yeah, yeah, we, you know, we’re playing, you know, it still haunts me today, when kicks did their live album, it was at Richie Coliseum right Saturday night. Well, we in the spring, we had a freaking game. We’re in Pittsburgh, right? So we didn’t get back until late, and I missed it. I remember, we’re driving the bus coming back from BWI. We’re driving a bus and, you know, we go right down Route one, and there’s Richie Coliseum. Richie Coliseum, like, Oh, man. And then then find out, hey, that’s the lie Bell. You know they

Nestor Aparicio  26:02

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Well, Richie was getting shows at that time. Okay? I saw living color. I saw Smithereens there. I saw Adam Ant there. Yeah,

John Allen  26:10

chili peppers. You saw the chili peppers? Is that right? Yeah, mother’s milk. It was just man. It was just taken off. I’d seen him in Baltimore at godfrey’s Ballroom on Charles Street, which is now, I think, the Charles theater, and the second it was on a second floor. And once they started rolling, the floor started bouncing. And I was like, Oh, this building is, like, over 100 years old. I turned around. I knew the light man and the light man and sound man were on another platform. And I thought, well, if I can get on that platform, it’ll be another layer of protection if this floor collapses. I was like, Hey, Mike, can I come up there? Stand with you. It was such a low rent show. They kept blowing the power. The power kept going out. And like the PA would would stop, you know, playing, give it away, give it away. And then they would just, they would just start jamming. They would like, start jamming like, I guess working on material for the next record, you know. And I noticed was

Nestor Aparicio  27:07

Hillel in the band at that time. Now, he had already passed and

John Allen  27:12

you couldn’t see him. There was no stage was like, it was crowd, and I could barely see, like, the tops of their heads. I interviewed

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Nestor Aparicio  27:17

them on blood, sex magic. They were at that point, gonna play the eight by 10 or something, but they wound up playing painters mill instead, because they were a bigger band. And, you know, I interviewed the interviews up at Baltimore, positive you would listen to it from 1989 or 90. But their whole fascination in talking to me and he put flea on was about they were handing the phone around, was about John Waters. They were like John Waters freaks. This is 1989 and I think since then, there’s been a whole thing that they’ve gotten together. John Waters on show too, but, but that’s all I remember about them. In the 80s, I didn’t go to the shows. I saw them at the at RFK Stadium, many, many years later, but, but there’s some not seen bands on the way up. I was talking him before you came in, about poison opening for his band, right down at the seagull. And there are these sort of seminal shows. And hammer jacks is one of those things like, I guess 30 years later, you had to be there. I don’t think how I would express to anybody what that scene was like, but I am in the the documentary came out. Steve did a document a couple years ago. But I’m so proud to have like my little role of chronicling as it as a report. That was my role, was the almost famous role backstage whatever. But for every Mickey Coachella, for John, for all the bands that mattered, and rathschild and all those people that made hammer jacks that for any of us and people will be listening and watching this. They’re part of it. I don’t know how you explain it this to people, because it’ll never happen again. And it was such a it was a movement in the time was, like, our little, you know, hair era involved, not I mean hair like, I mean, like, Power to the People kind of thing for rock and roll, the six to eight years, 10 years tops. If you go back to the original Charles Street Louie having the second floor in a row house. But that was like 10 years where that music, in that space, in that place, moved all of us for the rest of our lives, really. Yeah,

Chad Wiestling  29:11

well, you know, I’ve gotten Well, I moved in, I lived in Nashville, and from 99 to one. And by chance, the luck of just typical me, I meet Fred Corey from Cinderella, all the Cinderella guys there,

John Allen  29:27

yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  29:28

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So I ran into Tom Keene, Ruth, Chris there one night, yeah, 20 years ago.

Chad Wiestling  29:32

So we’re in the same buildings, a brand new high rise. It was just obviously, this was like the beginning of what Nestor was now. It was like, it was cool. It was still like, Oh, I remember big town, but it wasn’t like the predators had just gotten there. Yeah, Broad Street was a ghost town. You know, it was like you had music Road, kind of, it was, it was a cool vibe, and, but, but it was changing. Yeah, it was changing. So I get close to, I meet your friend for. At night, like, elevator, elevator opens. There’s friends in here. He’s like, nicest guy in the world. Nice. He’s like, Hey man, you know, he’s like, you want to go out tonight? I just got back. I was like, a Vanderbilt football game, you know, like watching the game, whatever, like scouting for players and stuff. I was like, Sure. And the next thing you know, we’re like, we move in together. So, so this is true, and we so I live with Fred for, yeah, okay, I live with Fred for from 99 to one, I go on tour with them when 2000 when they so I meet so Eric’s this was, it was called the Cumberland. Still there, the high rise. Eric Brittingham lives there. Jeff LaBar like he wasn’t living there, but he was coming down. And of course, Tom had a house out in like Brentwood out there, but so it’s like Fred the first show in 2000 they opened. It was them and poison winger and docking. Alright, I have some now. I have a little bit of Cinderella history here. And that tour. I don’t know if you’ve heard this, but the first show was in Hershey. Okay, so the bus. So here I am. I get to ride a tour bus. Yeah, I didn’t curse. I saw you look at me. I was like, freaking tour bus, right? So I’m on a tour bus, right? They pick us up late night and on in Nashville, and we’re going up to Hershey. Well, we got there at, like, I guess it’s Sunday. The show was, you know, like Tuesday, you know, because it was the first show, and the tour bus, and they stayed at the, forget the hotel, but it’s like the convention center hotel up there, and all the bands were there, so they’re all coming in. So the Sunday was, like, all everything was open Pennsylvania. Was that little hotel bar. Oh, it was going, it was, you know, shots, you know, everyone’s, you know, hey, you know, because they haven’t seen each other for years. Hey, good to see you. Expand to span, whatever those shots. So the bar eventually closes at like, 11, or they convince them to stay open, and it’s, you know, closes at midnight. Well, then everyone’s still wants, still wants to go. Well, I remember is Jeff. Jeff LaBar and Eric were like, Let’s go out to the tour bus, which was parked way down at the end of the parking lot, away from everything else. So we go down the parking you know. Now we’re in the bus. People come down, you know, stay in there. And because they had beer, you know, some, some alcoholic beverages in there. And we’re, you know, partying in the bus, whatever. So people are starting to leave, you know, kind of, you know, get, you know, get off the bus, go either back to the hotel or leave, whatever. So at the end, it’s, it’s like it ends up just being me and Jeff LaBar on the bus, right? Jeff, go. I said, Dude, you know, there were some other people just left. I’m like, Dude, I don’t know. It’s maybe three, four in the morning. Like, dude, I’m heading back to the room, and I’m staying with Fred. Fred was back, you know, sleeping. You know, day one. This is day one, right? So the

John Allen  32:59

tour hasn’t even started yet. He’s like, it’s like, two days away, right?

Chad Wiestling  33:04

So, so we go. I’m like, Jeff, man, I’m out of here. So Jeff, if you know, if you know Jeff, or knew Jeff, he was like, if this, this is my tour bus. We’re driving to the front, right? So I guess I thought it was a good idea. It’s his bus, you know, I’m just along for the ride, right? Yeah. So I was like, All right, I get back on because the keys were in the bus. Oh, my God, because they got the keys to open it up so people could go out there and train. So next thing, you know, oh, he starts it up, right? He’s driving, like, we, I don’t even remember, all of a sudden, boom, like, we like, and it’s like, I went flying, you know? I’m like, when we went flying, he’s driving. I was like, what was that? He’s like, Oh, I jumped the curb, right? He pulls right up to the front, right. Get out. She locks the bus. We go to our separate ways. We go to our room. He leaves the bus right in front. So I’m saying, I’m, I’m sharing a room with Fred Corey, right? Because that’s, you know, I’m his guest, or whatever. I’m staying with him, you know. And so I go into my room and go into bed to pass out, knock on the door, yeah, maybe, like, seven in the morning, six months, and I hear it, and it’s like, and Fred gets up and he opens the door, but, you know, here’s people talking. It’s the police. It’s right, and of course, it is. It’s the police. Well, that curb we hit, we actually hit a jeep, carrot, Cherokee. I figured it was a car. It was a family. They weren’t in the car. Thank God, it was a family’s they were visiting Hershey Park and were there for the weekend in a brand new Jeep Cherokee,

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Nestor Aparicio  34:41

Cinderella hit my Jeep Cherokee three in the morning in the tour bus. Right? That’s rock and roll. Yeah.

Chad Wiestling  34:47

So, yeah, so it was, so, that’s my little Cinderella story, not

Nestor Aparicio  34:51

as good as Chris Robinson’s brother stealing the tour bus, right? I don’t know about and

Chad Wiestling  34:55

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if we were smart after the fact, obviously, and I didn’t like i said i they were. So Jeff actually worked that whole tour to pay, to pay that bus. Oh my gosh, unfortunately, you know, so you know, he says what I, you know, they told me. But all we had to say is, you know, after the facts, like, it was stolen, if we would have said the bus was stolen, you know, you know, now that’s, you know, not really kosher and everything else, but like, Damn, we should have

Nestor Aparicio  35:21

said, so you’ve been out on, you’ve been on the rock and roll. Oh, yeah, I didn’t know you had rock and roll roommates.

Chad Wiestling  35:28

Yeah, yeah. So, so, you know, just talking about this. So, like, Fred and I stay in touch. I go to, you know, LA, we get together. And I’ve met, have met a lot of guys through him. So he’s hooked me up with Steven Piercy. I’ll go see Steve. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  35:41

he sent me a text from Atlanta six months ago. You were backstage with somebody that

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Chad Wiestling  35:47

creed was the was a slug, yeah? From

John Allen  35:52

marvelous, marvelous, yeah, yeah.

Chad Wiestling  35:55

So I’m back to the backstage with the contract negotiator with the Falcons. He’s got, he got the tickets. It’s like, Hey, come on down. You were in Atlanta. I was in Atlanta. Yeah, he was like, hey, you know, I got stage, you know, tickets to creed, whatever. Yeah, come down, you know, like, it’ll be cool. So we go to the, you know, go to the show, and then we’re backstage, and, you know, we’re seeing, you know, like, just tramani and Scott Phillips was back of cool dudes, obviously. And then, so there was this guy. There was this, like, he was there, you know, as people were getting back there before the band gets there, it’s like, there’s this guy just kind of in the corner. He had a bandana around his neck, like, you know, a little like paper boy hat, you know, it was a sinner. So, yeah, it’s like, exactly, I wonder who that is, whatever. And then, you know, he actually came up, he came up to me, because we were kind of staying by ourselves as well, right? And he’s just like, and I had an Oriole hat on, you know? I had an oral hat on. He’s like, Oh, you from Baltimore, as you always do. I try to support him. I’m a big Oriole fan. You know that? Yeah? I mean, 80% of your life you wear that hat. So, yeah, well, different, not this is that exact hat, different one nobody would

Nestor Aparicio  36:58

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ever look at. You would say there’s an

Chad Wiestling  37:00

NFL agent low profile, exactly. So he came up and was like, you from Baltimore? I was like, Well, yeah, I lived there, you know, I’m from Maryland, but I, you know, I lived in Baltimore. Lived there for a while. He’s like, hey, here band child’s play. Of course, I, of course, I lit up. I’m like, Yeah, you know. He’s like, you know, you know John Allen. I was like, Well, I don’t know him, but I said, I have a friend, you know, which was, you what? I said, that’s real close with him, whatever. And then he just started talking about music. He’s like, Well, I’m the drummer for Marvel’s three, right? You know, I was like, I was like, no shit. Like, awesome. And nicest guy, nicest guy in the world. Just hunger. Like, we got pictures. And then, you know, Scott came over, Scott Phillips, we were getting pictures, whatever. And he was like, you were just talking, you know, we were talking rock like, you know, kicks and rat chowd And, you know, he knew, he knew all the stuff, but he was a big fan of Johnny goes, Oh man, that guy, that guy’s talented,

John Allen  37:49

he’s, he’s great. All those guys, marvelous three. So they were actually the core members of South gang, yeah? And they, first time they played Baltimore, they opened for child’s play, right? First time in town, wow, yeah, at hammer Jackson. And so I’ve known them since then. And then, when the whole you talk about that era, Nestor kind of, you know, that 10 year period, or whatever it was, you know, golden when it ended, you know, it ended kind of fast. And then we were all trying to figure out what we

Nestor Aparicio  38:19

were doing. One more grunge, right? Like that. Yeah, yeah. When

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John Allen  38:24

grunge hit, and then I formed a band that was, like, really kind of, like, retro, 60s, funky, and we wound up opening for it was slug and Butch and Jace, the guys from South gang. The first iteration of marvelous three was called Floyd’s funk revival. And they used to, they would crack me up. They would get booked on all these, like, like, funk shows and stuff. And they, there was nothing really funky about they would show up, and they’d be like, oh man. George Clinton, yeah, right, that kind of stuff. And they were like, Oh, just crowds gonna hate us.

Nestor Aparicio  38:54

We’re not really a funk. It just says funk on it, right? But

John Allen  38:58

they were gray. They we had, we would go down south and open for them. And this is, this was the band magpies, or whatever the heck we were called. Then start, like, every month, we had to change the name, right? We would get cease and desist order. So it was like, star seed and wow.

Nestor Aparicio  39:12

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Active you right now, stone horses, because, I mean, I’m promoting Child’s Play, trying to promote Charm City devils. I can’t some Jim Schwartz loving Charm City devils. It keeps coming back to me. But for child’s play, this is a fun thing. You’re doing m3 maybe you’ll do it again at Christmas. I know you try to put it together for everybody, like he and I that love going out and shaking her ass apartment, but Stone Horse is like, that’s your light. That’s your project. That’s where it’s Yeah,

John Allen  39:34

right. I mean, we just released a record back in the fall, right before we went on the Steel Panther tour. So, yeah, I’m working on a video right now, doing some editing and stuff, you know I do.

Nestor Aparicio  39:46

It’s all homegrown now, right? Yeah, yeah, how much of it is even like putting Child’s play together with Brian and your producer back in the day. And where did you do that album? You did an album in New York, the first

John Allen  39:59

race. It? No. It was done a Sheffield studios right here in Phoenix.

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Nestor Aparicio  40:02

You didn’t leave the second album, you leave home. No, no, no. So the first

John Allen  40:07

record, we the producer was not happy with us. He was an LA guy. I remember that, Howard Benson, okay. He wanted us to go to Los Angeles and record it. But we felt like we owed something to the owners of Sheffield. They, they were really good to us when we were demoing, when we first, like, started talking to

Nestor Aparicio  40:24

Chrysalis records, just loyalty, what guy to get paid? Yeah, exactly,

John Allen  40:27

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right. So we went in there and started, started the record local. Yep, we now, we did do a few overdubs in Los Angeles at the infant or famous Sunset Sound, and the record was mixed out there, and we were there right during Grammy week. And it was from

Nestor Aparicio  40:44

that that allows you to sit in your basement in Columbia and make things and do things like I watch the backstage part. You know, we’re big doc people in general, and seeing what boards look like in the 70s, we’re all familiar with what late studio looked like in a rush video, right? But the people that push those buttons and people that were good at both sides of it, right? There’s a lot of people I had Todd Rundgren on the show couple months ago. There’s a guy there that, you know, made his chops on that side of the board. But every time I see anyone’s, I guess, relationship to that, whether it’s, you know, Brian Eno and Daniel Lenoir with you two, or any part of that, the fact that you can definitely go from drumming, I didn’t know you played guitar. Regina shock asked me if you played guitar. I’m like, he don’t play no guitar, and you’re like, I play guitar. And I’m like, I never seen you play the guitar. Play

John Allen  41:35

it very badly. But, yes,

Nestor Aparicio  41:38

but I mean the production thing, you could play that and play it very badly, right?

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John Allen  41:42

Yeah. I mean, I can do as many watching those

Nestor Aparicio  41:45

guys do what they do. And whenever I talk to you, you like, you’re like a real artist. You’ll talk about music, and you’ll hear it. You’ll like, visualize it for me, you’ll hear it in your head. You know, it’s the way you do it when you’re pushing those buttons and how it goes digitally. Are you pleased with 40 years later that you can do it at home? Or do you, oh,

John Allen  42:04

yeah, yeah. And if I was, if I was smart, I would have gone to school for it like Sheffield had, has, like a school where you can kind of learn the different, you know, the art of doing that all. The only reason that I know how to do what I do right now is just through self taught, yeah, over and over and years of trial and error and what you want and

Nestor Aparicio  42:24

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the sound you’re looking for. Yeah, can you get anything you want from where you are now, I’m reading Getty Lee’s book a little bit, so he’s talking about that synth era when he discovered synth and pissed Alex off and they didn’t want to play guitars anymore. But also, like how he compared himself in that era to the other sounds of Tears for Fears and things that were coming out of keyboards and chords that you eschewed being in a metal band in the 80s, and nobody wanted to touch any. I mean, to this day, you’re like, big click track, or they had a track on, you know, like, there’s a live part of real musicians that it’s offensive to them in some way. But the production part is, it’s the essence of music. If you know, that’s what makes real, musicians

Chad Wiestling  43:03

can, can, you can hear that stuff, right? You know, yeah, we, we, you know, yeah, we’re just like, that’s good tune, whatever you know. But musicians that know what they’re doing, they can say that’s, you know, they’re they’re doing, yeah, something different, yeah,

John Allen  43:19

if there’s, there’s some track. Most of the big bands, a lot of them do have something going on, unfortunately. But, I mean, people don’t care, you know, and if it adds to the show, if it can recreate something for that that’s on the record that people want to hear. I got no problem with it. But personally, what I like to see is, I want to see a little danger like I was talking to you. I think about like watching the Led Zeppelin performance from Royal Albert Hall. I think it’s like from like january 1970 they’re just on fire, and they open up with a track that never really made a record back then, called we’re going to move and bottoms, just like, it’s like on that edge, you know, it’s, might be, it’s almost too fast, but it’s not really. It just has all this energy and you and it feels like, man, like it could all fall apart at any second. It’s, it’s kind of dangerous, you know, and that’s what I want to see live now, like, that’s, that’s, it’s almost like a punk ethos, you know, in a way, you know, like I saw this guy called rain Wolf. It’s a two man band, and the whole time it’s like, oh my God, is he gonna fall off the front of stage? He stands up on the kick drum he’s playing. He’s got the microphone in his hand, and he’s and he’s playing the guitar, and he, you know, the mic stand falls over, and you’re just thinking, oh my god, the wheels are just gonna come off this card at any moment, you know. But it doesn’t, you know, it’s, it’s dangerous, it’s, you know, it’s on the edge, and I found it really, really compelling, you know, but, but I don’t know, you know, like I you were talking about if I could get any sound that I want it, I don’t know that I could wrap my head around, like, what’s happening with pop? Music Now, and even stuff that’s like on Spectrum, things like that. I I just love the

Nestor Aparicio  45:05

fake sounds to me, the wall that, whatever that’s that, that pop sound that doesn’t sound real. It sounds AI ish to me, right? It has that rubber band. It doesn’t sound like the tonality of a voice the way Elvis sang, or the beat, or any, you know, any, just in a general sense, it feels

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John Allen  45:25

the effects on the vocal. Yes, like very much an autotuning. Auto tunes

Nestor Aparicio  45:29

the word, yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s the and I hear that on pop radio, and it just doesn’t resonate as something that I would even want to go pay to see live, or that it would resonate live. I thought that way about rap music. I mean, I I like rap music better on a CD in a produced format than I ever liked it live. I didn’t think it translated well. I never thought someone getting up on stage with it as a DJ booth, that’s entertaining for me, but that’s not a show that’s not right, because there is no danger in that, right? I mean, I’ve even seen Tiesto and like, that’s an amazing thing. We’re old. No, we’re not. We’re going to m3 and child’s place. Gonna shake their ass. How long you gonna be on stage empty?

John Allen  46:10

An hour. You got an hour? An hour this time? Yeah, it’s awesome. I don’t know what we’re gonna do. Yes, you run my mouth probably, all right,

Nestor Aparicio  46:19

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well, before I let you go and we’re going to talk some draft here, Chad Weasel is here, agent to the stars of Canton Maryland, of Hagerstown rock and roll, heart and former roommate of the Cinderella band, John Allen, who is happy to not be on a tour bus. You were so happy to be on a tour bus. I was the same way when I was young. Fans would invite me to their bus all the time.

John Allen  46:39

He’s popping curbs and running over.

Chad Wiestling  46:42

From day one, I had a

Nestor Aparicio  46:46

lot of bands invite me onto their bus backstage at various places, especially hammer jacks, if they just wanted to get away from women want to get away from people, be like, Hey, dude, I’ll give you any interview you want come to the boss if you just get me the hell out of this building, right, you know, at the end of the night or whatever. So I had a lot of that. I mean, even, like, Paul Stanley didn’t want to talk to me before the show. He said, Come by my hotel after but we’ll hang out. And I’m like, Paul Stanley just told me to come by. Yeah, so I went by and I hung out, and it was way better. I have it on tape all these years later, and he just, he was in a bathrobe, he ordered us food, and we sat and had dinner and I rolled my tape recorder. There’s a point in all that rock and roll thing where, like, for the P It’s like being football players like Josh Jake sounds great given to sign an autograph back when you met him 10 years ago. Now it’s more like, there’s a stage and then there’s he’s made his money, and now he’s got to go run the football. And there’s nothing more important than getting on stage. When you’re in the band, right,

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John Allen  47:44

trying to get into the zone, you’re trying to, you know, not expend energy, probably on, you know, and you want to give it all on stage. And then once you come off stage, I think I was saying on another segment where I built myself up with so much caffeine, and then you come off stage, and then you’re like, you’re wired, you know, you’re up till, you know, the sun comes up. So, yeah, it’s a perfect time to kind of talk, if you’re single, it’s a perfect time to mingle with the ladies or whatever. But yeah, you know, it’s, it’s so, so many of us that we just want to stay in that zone, and we don’t want to kind of have things, have distractions, really, I guess, you know?

Nestor Aparicio  48:23

Well, I guess for Paul Stanley didn’t want to talk before the show, talking after the show, he’s already warmed up and like all that. But, I mean, you know, it was wild to be at the top of the Hyatt down at Dulles, and having women beaten on the door and having his bodyguard keeping him out like it was insane, you know? And this is in 1989 or 9015, years

Chad Wiestling  48:42

into it, back to the Cinderella tour, poison tour in 2000 so one of my gigs was, or was my main gig. You look like a bodyguard, right? Well, yeah, but I wasn’t. I was, and I was in better shape back then, short hair, though, but the, you know, they gave me the the passes, so my job was to throw the party. Wow. They were, you know, before, you know,

Nestor Aparicio  49:02

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David Lee Roth had the best one

Chad Wiestling  49:06

of these, and Doc and played. And then when they were playing, because they each band had their whole Meet and Greet right afterwards and like in the tent. So I was, my job was to go find the best looking girls, of course, and hand the passes out. Well, you know, tough gig,

Nestor Aparicio  49:21

but it’s rocking. The funny

Chad Wiestling  49:22

thing was, the girls that were hot in 1986 were the same girls that were there. They weren’t as hot as they were. So it was a little bit harder getting, you know, they’d be like, Dude, come on, you know, I’m like, you know, or, or I’d go up and it would be nice one.

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Nestor Aparicio  49:38

See, it was a guy like him. I went on the rat poison tour. This is when I was a music critic. Rat poison tour was, what about 8990 somewhere in there, 9091, they played Merryweather might have been and I had, I had an extra ticket and extra backstage. I went alone to the show, and there were these two really good looking girls, and they wound up like hanging out. And I’m like, I could probably get you know the other person. Backstage, and I already had backstage passes and some jack wagon like you came and just took them. One minute they’re here, and they’re from Richmond, and the next minute, I never saw that. I did not tell Brett Michaels about that when I was dealing

Chad Wiestling  50:15

30 years later, because the poison guys was still are, of course, because the girls, you know, the good one girls, they weren’t there for you, right? They weren’t going to see Tom Keefer. They were going to see so

Nestor Aparicio  50:28

what you’re saying is that at that point, it was the poison backstage guy stealing the girls from me during the rat show, that once they got backstage, they wound up hanging out with rat instead of poison. Probably, right? Maybe rats on this gig right with you guys, right. Yeah. Who else is playing? I don’t we had Sebastian Bach, who dined here recently at the Beaumont, where wingers on the bill, all right. Except, is on the bill, right? Except,

John Allen  50:52

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yep, all right. Sebastian box kicks it off on Friday.

Speaker 1  50:56

David Lee Roth daily, Rob man diamond, Dave on Saturday with

Chad Wiestling  51:03

Hagar. Oh, okay, yeah, which was cool, yeah. We were trying to, I never saw him. And then even when they got back together, I know they came to Baltimore. I think I was out of town or something. I didn’t I was trying to figure out

Nestor Aparicio  51:13

his women and children first or diver down. He saw, I saw diver dan in 84 you saw the second or third one, the a 1981 and then so. So, this is the Van Halen two belt buckle that I’ve, that I’ve sported out tonight. I wore this to to, you know, to honor David Lee Roth for m3 you know, there’s only one. David Lee Roth, you might not sing with a man, you know,

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John Allen  51:38

I think I would be escorted off stage very quickly, very quickly.

Nestor Aparicio  51:42

Well, I hope you have a good time. I hope you know m3 is much like everything this time of year you’re wearing your Orio hat or Preakness or any of this stuff weather, right? Just want to get some good weather that day, right? Give me a nice 68 to 74 degree day. Make it an all day, or pace yourselves, rock and rollers, m3 is alive, my man, John Allen will be bringing not Charm City devils, not SR 71 not stone horses, but child’s play. And I did have my little CD. I wanted to impress you that John and his band thanked me on their on their debut album on rat race. Oh, I got the CD. I’ll check it out when. I guess my name’s right in the liner notes. That was a big thing in 1920 years old, my friend had a band, and I was so proud of you. I’m still so proud of you.

Chad Wiestling  52:27

That was the great things about, or a great thing about CDs, you know, was the, you know, the CD was great. I was easy, you know, put in whatever. But it was always, yeah, the pull out and see who the band members, you know, who they thanked, or read what you know who produced and

Nestor Aparicio  52:42

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whether Peter Chris played Pearl drums or not, usually, right, right? Then you learn that they

John Allen  52:47

want it the best. Kiss won it the best. What did you play? Gibson guitars and Pearl drums? Ludwig. Ludwig guy. Why? Ian pace from Deep Purple. He was great. So many Bonham played Ludwig. All right, so that’s Roger. What was his name? From fog hat, he played Ludwig drums, right? Take easy,

Nestor Aparicio  53:16

classic rock. It’ll never die. Chad wheat is gonna hang out. He is agent to the stars and Josh Jacobs. He’s headed to Green Bay to Lambeau Field for the NFL Draft. Luke’s going to be out eating Chad steals free wing things, or whatever they’re going to give him out there. And Owings Mills on Thursday, we got baseball all week, the fifth place Orioles for now, maybe by the time they hear this over the weekend, we have a better weekend. Reds in town over the weekend as well, doing the rock and roll thing we’re doing. Back to the Future scratch offs. We were at the Beaumont in Catonsville. Life is great to 21228, come on out here. Have a steak. Have that delicious chicken fried lobster. We’re gonna get a crab cake at her chef Maurice is gonna come join me a little later on as well, and we’re gonna talk some football. I’m gonna let John get back to his family, get back to to Nick and and get back to the band mates and how many practices you got left in you, but

John Allen  54:04

we rehearse tomorrow and maybe the day before the gig, or the day, yeah, day before the gig. Rest

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Nestor Aparicio  54:12

your voice. Oh, yeah, too much talking here, yeah.

John Allen  54:16

Well, I tried, by the way,

Nestor Aparicio  54:18

before I I’m not gonna try to make you cry, but we lost Brian today’s anniversary, as we tape this of losing Brian. So a few words about Brian, Jack, yeah, that’s why we’re honoring him, yeah. Every time you get on stage, you’re honoring him,

John Allen  54:29

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yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, you know, it was a shock 13 years ago. I just, it’s been that long, yeah, yeah. I just posted something on Facebook. I, I was, I was in the nursing care room with my parents when, when Mickey Coachella called me and and he was like, Hey, man, he’s like, I just heard from Lee the bass player from never, never, that Brian died last night. And I was like, or this morning. And I was like. Now it can’t be It can’t be real. I said, I’ll call his I’ll call his family. I’ll call his parents house. And I called his house, and as soon as his sister answered the phone, I something, I knew I like, I couldn’t even talk, you know, I couldn’t even, all I came out was like, Is it true? And she said, Yeah, I was just floored, man, you know, like, I he was so young. I never thought, you know, yeah,

Nestor Aparicio  55:28

I’ve been a dozen funerals this month, so it’s killing me. I mean, just day after day after day. And the way you find out, you know, like, you know, Mr. Costas died, I’ve just got a Disney World, just got the phone, my phone, my wife. There it is. I’m like, I ain’t gonna tell her. I don’t have the heart to call her, you know. But it is, it’s amazing. You get that moment, you know, that moments like, is it real? Yeah, I had five texts two years ago saying, Tony Sarah goose died. Yeah. First thing I’m doing texting goose, yeah, you know what I mean. Like, hey, goose, everything, all right, you didn’t know, you know, a couple weeks ago we lost John Feinstein. You know, I just text John to come on the shows couple days for March Madness. You know, to me, like I can’t, and I’m having a hard time with these people we’re losing is thinking they’re gone. You know, you don’t know they’re gone till they’re gone. And sometimes it takes years, literally, if you don’t see them. Often, John Feinstein still alive. To me, I feel, I still feel like and I miss him as a guest, as a friend, is just a guy I Bucha with that I really like. And I think we collect all these people. Let’s not take each other for granted. So let’s get together. Go to a ball game. Get down to m3 shake your butt with John. The Rock and roll is still happening, even if David Lee Roth sings or doesn’t sing, he’s still David Lee

John Allen  56:37

Roth. He’s gonna have the kicks. He’s gonna do the moves. Go. Have another please

Nestor Aparicio  56:41

do not Yeah, Chad whistling to talk some football with us. Probably a little bit more rock and roll. I appreciate the Rock and Roll background. John’s been my dearest friend. Go support his bands and buy the merch, right? Sure, please, sure. Well, you always share things about like getting your songs played and all that stuff. I think the best thing anybody can do is do I was going to wear my stone horses shirt today, but I want to be patronizing my rock star buddies. We’re back for more from the Beaumont. Stay with us is the Maryland crab cake tour. We’re W, N, S, T and Baltimore positive you.