Running back the success and impact of ‘No Mean City: Baltimore 1966″ with Dan Rodricks

If you missed the sold-out run of local newspaper legend Dan Rodricks’ amazing play, “No Mean City: Baltimore 1966,” it looks like you’ll have another chance next year. The incredible success and rave reviews brought the longtime Baltimore columnist back to chat with Nestor about his observations about the time, place, baseball and storylines in our city that haven’t aged – or changed – in some ways over the past 60 years.

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Attend the December run of “Baltimore Docket” at the Baltimore Museum of Art to support Dan’s production.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Plan and schedule an informal meeting later in the summer to have crab cakes with Dan after his December performance run.
• [ ] Lead the team in producing another run of the play “Baltimore Docket” at the Baltimore Museum of Art in December, incorporating updated scenes based on selected columns from his Sun archive.

Dan Rodricks’ Return and the Success of “No Mean City”

• Nestor Aparicio welcomes Dan Rodricks back to the show, highlighting the Maryland crab cake tour and upcoming events.
• Nestor praises Dan’s 1966 production, which received standing ovations and featured local friends in the cast.
• Dan shares his excitement about the positive reception of his play, noting that it moved crowds and provided historical context.
• Dan recounts a moment in the play where Ted Burke’s character laments the potential for repeating past racial battles, which resonated with the audience.

Historical Context and Audience Reactions

• Dan discusses the historical significance of 1966 and 2026, noting the play’s portrayal of events that some audience members were unaware of.
• Nestor expresses his newfound understanding of Baltimore’s history, including the presence of white supremacist groups.
• Dan explains his use of historical newspapers as source material for the play, emphasizing the comprehensive coverage of events.
• Nestor shares his personal connection to the play, having grown up in a racially charged environment.

The Play’s Impact and Future Plans

• Dan reflects on the play’s impact, noting that it taught him as much as it did the audience.
• He shares his initial inspiration for the play, focusing on the 60th anniversary of the 1966 World Series and the broader social context of the time.
• Dan highlights the play’s exploration of Baltimore’s racial tensions and the civil rights movement, noting the city’s population decline post-Civil Rights Movement.
• Nestor and Dan discuss the play’s cast, including Dan’s son Nick, who performed a memorable Brooks Robinson.

Dan’s Continued Work and Future Projects

• Dan talks about his ongoing work, including plans for a new play based on his columns and past stories.
• He expresses his commitment to storytelling through various mediums, including podcasts, videos, and films.
• Dan mentions the positive feedback he received about the play’s cast and the strong auditions they held.
• He outlines his plans for future productions, including a revival of “Baltimore Docket” and a new play titled “Baltimore.”

Political Commentary and Current Events

• Dan shares his political views, expressing optimism about the disfavorable ratings of Donald Trump and the potential for change in the upcoming elections.
• He criticizes Trump’s policies, including tariffs, job creation, and the war with Iran, and expresses concern about the Republican Party’s future.
• Nestor and Dan discuss the challenges of addressing Trump supporters and the broader impact of Trump’s presidency on the country.
• Dan emphasizes the importance of voting and the potential for a change in the November elections.

Final Thoughts and Future Plans

• Nestor and Dan discuss the importance of storytelling and the impact of Dan’s plays on the community.
• Dan shares his plans for future performances, including a December run of “Baltimore” at the Baltimore Museum of Art.
• Nestor expresses his support for Dan’s work and looks forward to future collaborations.
• The conversation concludes with mutual appreciation and plans for future meetings and events.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

No Mean City, Baltimore politics, American democracy, 1966 production, civil rights movement, Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson, Baltimore Orioles, Dan Rodricks, theater, Maryland crab cake tour, historical context, audience response, play revival, immigration policy.

SPEAKERS

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Dan Rodricks, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home. We are W, N, S T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore. Positive, positively getting the Maryland crab cake tour back out on the road to my favorite downtown, downtown Baltimore. We’re going back to Lexington. Marco. Will be a fait leads next Friday, before the San Francisco gigantes show up to take on the Orioles of Camden Yards, I will have a handful of the Harlem Globetrotter scratch offs to give away, but I’m also going to be working in those new, fantastically beautiful Maryland motif scratch offs. We’ll have that also our friends at GBMC and farnand and Dermer. They are the comfort guys keeping us comfortable here with all of our sports coverage. There’s a little bit about sports, but it’s going to be a little bit more about Baltimore politics, and certainly about theater. Dan Rodricks has been my friend for 40 years. He put together his third show in about three years, and I remember when we were fly fishing and he was threatening me that he was going to do this once, this has now become a thing. If any of you follow me on social media. You know that his 1966 production was say magnifique, and got standing ovations and had lots of local people, including bunch of friends of mine, in the cast, and we had them on last month before I departed for South America. I’m back from South America, Dan, and I just would say this hanging around with you and your accent and my wife and her family, it’s helped me a little bit understand Albernaz is, I mean, sometimes I feel like I need a translator with the New England people.

01:26

You know what I mean? Yeah, he’s from Fall

Nestor Aparicio  01:28

River originally. Yeah, it’s it. It’s rough down there, but, but nonetheless, you’ve made this beautiful life in Baltimore, and I thought that your show look, I think it’s going to be good. I like you. I want to be supportive and all that. I want to be entertained and all that. But you got a gift. That’s all I’m going to say. You’re you’re on to something here with this thing, this second act of yours, my man, and I think you know that, and you’re feeling it from other people, because I’m not the only one giving you love. But I just wanted to check in on the backside and say, bravo. But more than that, moved crowds. I was there on a Sunday afternoon. Just people have really responded to your work and the historical context of how 1966 and 2026 aren’t all that

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Dan Rodricks  02:16

different in a lot of ways. Yeah. In fact, there’s a moment in the play, if you recall where Ted Burke, who portrayed Mayor McKeldin, Theodore McKeldin, who was mayor in 1966 a Republican, where he says or laments that, unless we deal with race in America and end segregation and and try to be fair to everybody through the through the law that 5060, years from now, we may be fighting some of these same battles, you know. And I heard a gasp in the audience when each time that the mayor, portrayed by Ted Burke, said those things. So, yeah, you know, the highest compliment I get from any of these plays that I’ve done is from people who’ve been here a long time, or people have only lived in Baltimore 10 to 20 years, or even less. Some of the younger people say they learned a lot about Baltimore from the place things they didn’t know, people who actually lived through 1966 for instance, and remembers McKeldin as Mayor, Members of the civil rights movement, and of course, remembers the 1966 Orioles. Of course, they remember that, but there was a lot portrayed in the play that they did not know about, even though it was widely reported in the news at the time. You know, most of my source material for the plays is from the newspapers, really, of the day, the sun, the news American, the newspaper of record, yeah, the first draft of history, so to speak, was very comprehensive. The sun covered these events portrayed in the play, no mean city, comprehensively. And I was very impressed

Nestor Aparicio  03:54

with that. I can’t begin to say I learned so much, but more. Look, I had to know there was racism here. I mean, I grew up in Archie bunkers Dundalk 10 years later, right? So, I mean, I feel all of that, but I didn’t know about this plantation thing being a clan thing and a white hatred group that would gather at Patterson Park to intimidate black people. I like, there was a lot going on here that, yeah, I wouldn’t say wouldn’t be acceptable now, because, I mean, come on, man, we just didn’t know kings a couple days ago. And I’m gonna get to that in a minute and current events with you, but for you to find that stuff like you taught me stuff. Dan, no doubt, I’m glad

Dan Rodricks  04:40

to hear it. That’s what I like. That’s why I did the play, because I was discovering things. I went into this Nestor thinking, Okay, it’s the 60th anniversary of the world’s first World Series. Is Is there anything there I could turn into a play? Because people love the Orioles and that period of Brooks Robinson and Frank Robinson. I mentioned this in the program notes that when I was a kid in Massachusetts, right? This is stuff that happened long before I got to Baltimore, a good 1012, years before I got to Baltimore, and I remember getting the Sports Illustrated at home, you know, in the mail. I waited for it every week, like a lot of other kids. And there was on the cover was Frank Robinson and Brooks Robinson, you know, white Robinson and black Robinson. And I thought, well, that’s pretty cool. That’s it. They’re both Robinsons. They’re both on the, you know, on the Orioles, and they end up winning the World Series together, building, you know, Frank’s trade in Baltimore, as you know, topped off what was a nucleus of a really good team, and it made it a great team. So but, but more than that, I wondered, like, what else was going on in Baltimore besides the Orioles winning the World Series, what it was only two years before the riots that followed the king of the death of Dr King. And I wondered what the temperature was like in Baltimore in terms of race. Was there pushback to the civil rights movement in Baltimore, who led the civil rights movement? Those people are heroes, you know. Was there pushback to it? Turns out there was, you know, and we had a great deal of loss of population in the years that followed that, you know, you can, you can go to the calendar and look at pretty much Baltimore’s population dropping after the Civil Rights Movement, even going back to Brown versus the Board of Education on school segregation, separate but equal. You can see Baltimore losing population. People leaving because of, well, lots of reasons. You know, people wanted bigger yards. They didn’t want to live in row houses forever. There was that, but there was also racism. People want, did not want to live coexist with, with black citizens in Baltimore who were fighting for better housing, who wanted to live in better neighborhoods.

Nestor Aparicio  06:57

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And Frank Robinson being in the center of that, and my cousin as well, coming from from Chicago.

Dan Rodricks  07:02

Yeah, Luis Aparicio was a shortstop on that team. By the way, I don’t know if you noticed. I’m not sure you could notice from the audience, but in the play toward the end, when we’re describing the World Series, the actor who portrays Eddie Widener, who was the Orioles trainer at the time, is reading a sporting news and on the cover is Louis Aparicio. So I and I saved that for you. We picked it up. It’s from 1966 and I saved it for you. It’s a prop I should save for the next time we do this play. But I’m going to give it to you because we could, we can easily replace it.

Nestor Aparicio  07:40

So well, I’m gonna easily give it, lend it back to you, so we can. I want it back on the stage. If you’re gonna give it to me, you give it to me. I give it to you. Dan Rogers is here, so where are you with the with what you’ve created? Because I think you got to do it again. And it’s not just about like, what’s Dan’s idea? Dan’s decision? I mean, you had an unbelievable cast. I mean, I had Vanessa, and she just was phenomenal.

Dan Rodricks  08:08

We did benefit from a very strong we had a good audition and really good actors in this the all the way through. Yeah, we really, we got lots of comments about how strong the cast was for what is, you know, I considered a, consider it a professional company, but it’s pretty new little company that I formed for to produce theater, right? It’s professional in that I pay everybody. It’s not, it’s a step up from community theater, because we had pretty strong auditions. And this, the standard is getting a little higher each time we do these plays. You know, the first time I did it, I was four years ago, and I didn’t, it was you and friends, literally, right? Friends. It was a one man play with a cast of seven, most mostly people I knew. And the next time, when we did Baltimore docket, that was the second play, there’s a lot of people that you and I both know who I just recruited to be in the play. I didn’t really audition anybody. I said, you know, Milton Kent, I think you can do this role. So that’s but this time, we had an auditions, and we found some really talented people in the cast, and we got a lot of comments on that, and received a lot of comments from people asking to to run the play again. And I think we will next year, in 27 this year, later this year, in December, we’re reviving Baltimore. You have no idea the original play with some new scenes, as you know, and others have seen the play. It’s nine scenes, nine separate stories. There’s going to be some of those stories will be replaced with news, news stories, all from my columns over the years. As you know, I wrote more than 6600 columns. Homes for the Baltimore Sun, so I have a lot of material to go back to to see if it lends itself to theatrical treatment. And that’s, that’s what I’ve been doing.

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Nestor Aparicio  10:09

Well, this is what worries me, is that like you’re either going to stop writing, which I don’t think is possible, or you’re going to keep writing and going to have more are you going to work on new stuff. Are you just gonna do what you’ve done here, which is, I haven’t even seen the docket. I was out of town when you put that on. I want you to put that one back so I can see it. I’m hoping you videoed this one this time around. I guess one of the reasons I want to bring you on say, what are you learning through all of this? Because this has been kind of an interesting journey, and you’re inspiring me as to what might be possible later on, doing

Dan Rodricks  10:45

this radio thing, there’s many ways of storytelling, right? I’m a journalist. I write stories. Mostly have written stories over the years, published in the sun. Now I’m writing for fishbowl once a week, and I’m writing my sub stack column. But, you know, there’s other ways of telling a story. I mean, the story of Frank Robinson and Brooks Robinson, their friendship, and Frank’s and his wife’s effort to find a house to live in in a white neighborhood, their effort to, you know, rent a place in a white neighborhood, that’s just a good story. I mean, I could have written a column about it some years ago. Mike Clingerman of the Sun wrote a pretty good, a pretty comprehensive piece about Frank Robinson’s search for a home in Baltimore when he was traded here. And that, actually, that story stuck with me, and I remembered it, and I went back to it for reference for the play so you can you can write a story, right? You can do a podcast and tell a story. You can produce a short video. You can produce a film. Why not tell the same story on stage? I mean, I mean, why not? I think that’s what I’m doing, because it’s like some people told me it was like listening to one of your columns on stage or seeing the personification of a column that you might have written. People have said that to me, and I appreciate that a great deal. So I’m gonna, yeah, I’m gonna. I’m not done. I have a lot of material. I’m thinking of another play that would be monologs and interactions with actors portraying people that I wrote stories about over the years. So I have another sort of like another, you might title it Baltimore. You still have no idea which would be a whole bunch of news stories packaged into 90 minutes, eight or nine scenes from columns that I’ve written. So I’m going to do that again. I think we’re going to do I think I’m pretty sure we’re going to have another run of no mean city, the one that we just finished. And as for Baltimore docket, I was thinking of going back and revising it, improving it, before we stage it again.

Nestor Aparicio  12:56

I did not see my friend Chris real do the Brooks Robinson routine the day I was there, your son, Nick, did it. Yeah, I sent him a text immediately after. I didn’t even text you, and I don’t, you don’t know this. I’m like, Dude, no offense to anybody else. The show was great. Everybody was great in the cast. I said, you stole the show. And the reason he stole the show was he pulled off Brooks Robinson in front of us. Who are you talking about? Your your son, Nick, pulled it off all shucks. I mean, he channeled Brooks. And I’m like that ain’t easy to do in Baltimore is to get up on a stage and act like Brooks and be Brooks for a couple of minutes, just the mannerisms. I mean, wow, did he nail

Dan Rodricks  13:40

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that role? He did. He and Vanessa pulled that off. Vanessa Eskridge, the director, I did not Nick, once in a while, would ask me, What do you think of my Brooks? I said, Nick, I think it’s really good. I think there’s a couple of two ums and ahs in there. Maybe you could drop a few of those. That’s all I said to him. And he, you know, you looked the nice thing about this is you can go see a video of Frank Robinson being interviewed. You can see a video, plenty of videos, of Brooks and all the actors did that. The actor Tarek White, who played FLOYD McKISSICK, the leader of the Congress of Racial Equality. This, this video of him. I I went to a Meet the Press or Face the Nation transcript from 1964 or five to hear what McKissick sounded like when he was being interviewed by the press. There’s a video available of Mayor McKeldin too, that Ted consulted. Yeah, yeah. So that that does help a little bit, but thank you for what you

Nestor Aparicio  14:40

for what you said. But Brooks is, like everybody here knows, feels, sounds, television, all of that. You know that’s that’s tough. Yeah, that’s all I was going to say.

Dan Rodricks  14:50

And that’s a thumbs up. I got lots of compliments about Nick. I was very proud of what he did there, and he would have been in the whole run of the show, except. Is he’s up to his neck in ice hockey with his sister. They coach a girl’s ice hockey team, and they had a tournament on the final weekend of the play, and they volunteered to basically run the tournament, and so that he wasn’t around. He was in an ice rink all weekend, and we couldn’t get him for the whole run. So, yeah, yeah. So that’s, that’s the, that’s the reason he wasn’t there. Yeah, but you saw me. I’m glad you got to see him. And then the kicker, I didn’t tell you, this the last performance of the play on Sunday, March 15, Brooks D Robinson and Michael Robinson, his brother, the two sons of Brooks Robinson, came to see the play, and Brooks D Robinson flew up from Georgia to see the play, and that was that was a highlight. We mentioned this to the audience that they were there with

Nestor Aparicio  15:51

us. Saw it on social media. It was awesome.

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Dan Rodricks  15:53

Yeah. It was really nice, yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  15:55

All right. Dan, Rodricks is my guest. You know him? You love him. All right. Dan, some people do. I love you. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Yeah.

16:08

Martin Luther King, yeah.

Nestor Aparicio  16:10

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Where the hell are we? Man,

Dan Rodricks  16:14

I’m encouraged by what I see in the polls, the disfavorable ratings of Donald Trump. I’m encouraged by no kings. I’m encouraged that independents who voted for Trump are now seeing what’s going on here. That’s not good. And you know, politically speaking, I don’t want to give donald trump any advice, but everything he’s done has damaged him and the Republican Party. Almost everything he’s done, the tariffs hurt the US economy. He’s a he’s poor at job creation. I don’t think there’s been a worse president when it comes to jobs creation. I just wrote a column about that, looking at the numbers, and then he starts a war with Iran, I guess, with no calculus that this might affect the price of oil for all of us at the least, you know it. I don’t know what the what if I was a Republican, I’d be very worried about what happens in November, but I think we need a change. I think that it’s becoming obvious to people that this dalliance we’ve had with Donald Trump now for 10 years. You know, it’s been 10 years since he first ran, 11 years now, since he came down the escalator. I think people are smartening up. It’s pretty obvious. I don’t know how you could not see it. You know, you see it with guests.

Nestor Aparicio  17:38

Oh, I have some Dundalk friends I grew up with that are just dumb enough to, you know, go along with it. But I can’t think, even on these golf courses and in these elite places where people are getting financial benefit from it, that they can’t see that it’s destroying our country.

Dan Rodricks  17:57

Yeah, that’s what I worry about the most. Is what happens we in the next election? You know, we have an election coming up in November, and Trump must know, the Republicans know, and his, his, his inner circle knows that there’s trouble up ahead, all of which I think is has that he is prompted, you know, with the with the things that I just mentioned, and I don’t know if what he might try to do to stop that election, they keep, to keep claiming that there’s going to be fraud that we can’t mail in ballots. And after he just, he just mailed in a ballot in Florida.

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Nestor Aparicio  18:37

Apparently, we haven’t even mentioned the Epstein files, which is really, yeah, that’s at the end of the day. Him being a pedophile and a criminal sits at the center of all of this, and all of the people around him in the cabinet the Epstein class, as they will be known. I just I’m 57 I’m hoping to live another 20 to 50 years here, what we’ve done through our partners in Europe and NATO and our standing in the world and Canada, let alone Mexico, Greenland, Venezuela,

Dan Rodricks  19:11

and they don’t support us in this war, our European allies. Anyway, the people have been with us all this. All the Spain has just announced that then it won’t allow us to use their airspace for this war. Yeah, people, people all over the world are wondering, what did we all lose our minds here? No, no, we didn’t. We didn’t all lose our minds. You know, he got 77 million votes in 2024 but Kamala Harris got 75 million. I mean, I know that’s 2 million short, and the he got all the electoral votes, and really beat her when it comes to that. But if you just look at the popular vote, it wasn’t that far apart, really. But there are people who just, I guess they’re in a cult. I guess they’re in a cult, and then you’ve got a congress of. Republicans who are just cowards. They don’t stand up to him, even though they know. You hear these stories, there’s all this private talk about what Trump has done to the Republican Party and how they fear the midterm elections, but they don’t. Don’t do anything. They don’t stand up and say anything. They just go along with anything that he wants, still, and the country is not behind that

Nestor Aparicio  20:24

nominating that creep from Oklahoma to I mean, just sending thugs down to the airport that I’m going to have to deal with at four o’clock in the morning tomorrow in order to just catch a flight to go see Springsteen. Springsteen is going to be doing his defiance in Minnesota. Tomorrow night, I’m going to be there, but I just, I spent two weeks in South America, and, you know, Dan, I still, I still have my passport here, right? Like, so you pull this out in an airport, people are giving you a side eye. Man, it’s not. And I want to be proud of America beyond the hockey team and the baseball team and waving the flag for jingoism and patriotism. But I just when I speak to grown ups like you, I’m like, What the hell are we doing here? And people all over places like Uruguay, Peru, everywhere I went, people like, what’s going on with you people up there? And I’m like, I left to get away from it for two weeks. And yeah, I did because of the language barrier, but the minute they found out this is my passport, they had questions.

Dan Rodricks  21:28

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Yeah, yeah. You know, I write about this all the time. People say, Well, you have Trump I hear from Trump supporters, you have Trump derangement syndrome? I said, No, no, no, I have very specific reasons why I’m opposed to Trump, and I can articulate them. You cannot articulate why you support him. I don’t hear you know, I asked, I asked people when I challenge them, sometimes it’s okay tell me, why do you still supporting him at this point? Say it’s

Nestor Aparicio  22:00

for a miracle, that’s real,

Dan Rodricks  22:02

something like that. If they can even say that I don’t get much, I don’t get much, they’ll bring up Biden. They’ll see how bad Biden was. Biden created 15 million jobs. You go back to Obama, 11 million jobs coming out of the recession. Donald Trump is at a negative he’s a in February, February, I think we created no jobs in 2025 he created no jobs in 2025 when you look at the net job creation, even from his own department of labor, the numbers show that Trump created no jobs in 2025 There was some job creation in January, there was a loss of jobs in February, you know. So there’s all this talk about the great economy and bringing down prices and all of that. People sitting at the kitchen table or just watching the news and got to know that there’s some something really wrong here, even if they continue to say that they support Trump, people hate to admit they bought a lemon. You know, nobody likes to admit that they did something stupid, that what they did turned out bad. You know, no one likes to admit that. So you won’t hear it. You won’t hear it. But I think when it comes to voting, you will hear it. And the polls indicate that you know that what you just mentioned about the airport sending ICE agents into the airports to back up the TSA isn’t even getting paid, right? Talk about a tin ear. I mean, the polls show that Trump is underwater on his immigration policy. This used to be his strong suit. People wanted the border secured. They did not want mass thugs walking around the streets and grabbing people who are mulching flower beds, you know, tending to people in nursing homes. So he sends them into the airport, knowing that ice is held in ill repute by most Americans. Now the polls, polls indicate that 60 to 70% think the immigration policy, the ice enforcement, has been too aggressive. It’s not what that’s not what people wanted. They wanted a secure border. I don’t even think people support all the deportations that have taken place. So, so what? What he’s tried to do? You know, there were deportations under Obama, no question about it, but that’s what’s done in the course of immigration enforcement and policy in the United States. They meaning Trump and Stephen Miller went for this high profile aggressive, you know, this ice police force grabbing people on the street and because they want immigrants to be afraid to come here. And we are now at negative immigration. You know, we don’t have any economists will tell you, in order to grow the economy from 2% up to say, 3% 3.5% GDP, you know, growth. I mean, you need and. Immigrants, the 10,000 baby boomers retire every day. You know, we have a low child birth rate in the United States. You have to replace the workforce with somebody and the all economy, not all economists, but many respected economists say you have to have immigration in order to continue to have growth in the United States. And we’re doing the opposite. We’re sending people out of the country. And people don’t want to come here, they’re going to be afraid for a good while. I think until Trump is gone, they’ll be afraid to immigrate here, even legally or not illegally or illegally.

Nestor Aparicio  25:39

Dan, I hope next time we get together, it’s a crab cake and better times and different elections and all that. When’s the next run for you?

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Dan Rodricks  25:47

The December. In December, we’ll have another run of Baltimore. You have no idea at the Baltimore Museum of Art, I think it’d be seven or eight performances. That’s all we do. People think we should have a longer run. I’m trying to get time at the museum to do a longer run, I hope of these plays, because we saw we sold out, and heard from several people saying they were frustrated. They couldn’t get a ticket. They got to get a ticket early. That’s what, that’s the key to that.

Nestor Aparicio  26:13

Well, I was lucky enough to know somebody, but yeah,

26:15

you know somebody?

Nestor Aparicio  26:17

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Well, congratulations. Yeah,

Dan Rodricks  26:19

Nestor, I appreciate all the support you’ve given me on this, on these play productions, thank you very much.

Nestor Aparicio  26:24

I support. I appreciate all the support you’ve given me over 40 years of our friendship. So thank you. Rest Stop. Get your writing together, put those new scenes in, and we’ll come see you in December, and we’ll get a crab cake sometime later in

26:36

the summer, right? All right. It sounds good. Thank you, Nestor the great, Dan Rodricks longtime

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Nestor Aparicio  26:40

columnist of the Baltimore Sun, and now a playwright and an actor and putting it all together over at the BMA. I’m Nestor. We’re W NST back for more right after this.