Opening Day is right around the corner and Luke Jones and Nestor ramp up for Orioles season and discuss World Baseball Classic and grapefruit hopes. Oh, and those new rules and that crazy pitch clock!
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Luke Jones, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Weโre back at W n s t, Towson Baltimore and Baltimore positive we are positively taking the Maryland crabcakes weโre back out on the road soon. Iโve got dates including a Costas and now we have a makeup for families. And weโre gonna be going to a bunch of new places into the spring and in the summer tons of new places. We had a great time at drug city though I gotta tell you, Mr. Stadium was awesome. We sang Sentimental Journey, had some friends and gave away some instant lottery scratches. They look old school because they are itโs 50th anniversary of the marathon. I also had these really cool, gigantic $50 $5 million scratch offs now. This is just a sample but but I have one and itโs cool and itโs big. They also sell these Acostaโs add the drug city in Dundalk, and it prepares a regular guy here, sadly, sadly, never been to drug city or to the fountain or to the tasting room upstairs, but we may be looking to change that. Iโm going to try to drag him over to Perry Ville and Barstool Sports on Thursday for the Terps getting down with the West Virginia mountaineers as we go east, playing the West Virginia team come on out and join us on Thursday. For all the fun with Jones joins us now weโve orlimar down even though we may be getting closer to a solution there were tampered out and the real free agency will begin but the Ravens might not be so active. Weโve got St. Patrickโs Day festivities. Iโve got brackets. And theyโre playing hockey in the NBA too. And thereโs like golfing and we this thingโs happening. I even got reached the picture already this week talking about horse racing. Somewhere in there. Theyโre gonna play baseball in two weeks Luke, and theyโre theyโve got this little worldwide tournament going and I saw the Venezuela Jersey arm was busted out my Venezuela jersey for you today. Maybe I should do that. But baseball is trying. I mean, theyโre in there somewhere. I mean, John Angeloโs given PP to Wes Moore, I saw that last week in Sarasota didnโt slip by me.
Luke Jones 02:01
Yeah, I mean, weโre what a little over two weeks out from opening day, ready or not. Here we come. And itโs certainly a different dynamic when you have the World Baseball Classic going on, which by the way, I very much enjoy. I enjoyed it. Several years back with Adam Jones making the big play in San Diego and robbing Manny Machado, you know, teammates who wouldnโt be teammates too much longer after that. But itโs fun, but it does make for a different kind of spring training where youโre seeing Dean crank Dean Kramer pitch really well for Team Israel. Youโre seeing Anthony Santander, as you mentioned, hitting bombs for Venezuela. I mean, lots of enthusiasm. Thereโs always the the unsettling feeling I think, especially for pitchers, you know, for teams watching their pitchers go pitch highly competitive. You know, Iโm not saying itโs the World Series, but you watch those games, these guys care. I mean, they care.
Nestor Aparicio 02:54
Jones came into camp all amped up back in the day, remember?
Luke Jones 02:57
Right, right, exactly. So even just take a couple, take a couple hours and watch some of these games. I mean, they care and the atmosphere is fun. And but at the same time, you have executives, you have managers, you have coaching staffs who are kind of holding their breath a little bit, right. You donโt want anyone to get hurt. In fact, I saw in one of the Venezuela games, Santander make a diving catch in right field, and youโre kind of bracing yourself like, hey, letโs make sure you donโt hurt your shoulder there. And he wouldnโt be playing like that in Plant City. Yeah, yeah. Or Sarasota? You know, Sarasota? Certainly. So but but itโs fun. It does make for a different kind of spring training, though, because youโre still playing grapefruit league games. And youโre still monitoring that as much as you can without the games being on mass. And certainly, which is part of the discussion every time. This time of year, every year. Hey, hold
Nestor Aparicio 03:50
on. This is where I interrupt you. And I remind you incompetence never takes a day off.
Luke Jones 03:55
Yeah, yeah, that is true. But I think, to your point, thereโs plenty going on. But yeah, weโre counting down to opening day and I think there is, even though thereโs a lot of other things going on. There is enthusiasm for the Orioles. Is it as much as it could have been with the better offseason and all that. You know weโve already talked about that. Weโll continue to talk about those dynamics and the big picture but in the meantime, there are a lot of Orioles fans excited about Adley rutschman and Gunnar Henderson and seeing Dean Kramer do what he did for Team Ezreal and seeing Santander do what He has done for Venezuela, but Cedric Mullins playing for team USA. So but I think thereโs a sense especially if this team can get off to a good start. And of course they open on the road at Boston go to Texas before they come home to play the Yankees for the home opener thing get off to a good start. I think youโll see some enthusiasm here that not gonna say that itโs theyโre gonna pack the ballpark overnight, but I think thereโll be some buzz that we havenโt seen here for several years. So Thatโs fine. And in the meantime, youโre just kind of hoping that no, no news is good news, right? Itโs, for the most part been a pretty uneventful spring training and thatโs a good thing. You donโt want to guys go in for MRIs on their elbow and things of that nature. So youโre trying to avoid that. But, you know, other than Dillon Tate, which was the news, we found out at the beginning of spring training, knowing he wouldnโt be ready for the start of the season. Other than updates on John means itโs thrown off the half mound and starting to ramp back up with thoughts of hopefully being backed by say July. You know, other than that, itโs been pretty uneventful for the Orioles as theyโre going through spring activities down in Sarasota.
Nestor Aparicio 05:41
What Jones is here he is all things letโs see a football Lamar Lamar football, little bit of chirps, little bit of Oreos, but a lot of Lamar but in this particular case, I want to talk some baseball because I do have a Venezuela, jersey. My My brother lives in the Orlando area and went to games. During one of the tournaments, maybe not I went to the tournament and oh nine. I was out on the west coast for the owners meetings. I think they were in Dana Point at the time, if Iโm not mistaken. And I went up to LA and in Dodger Stadium. I saw Japan play the United States. In a bit of a knockout game. I donโt. Iโm trying to actually find the actual game. Here it is right here. March 22 2009. It was Japan and USA was a knockout game was a semifinal game. There were 43,630 people there which I think they consider that a sellout maybe in what they were trying to do. But it was the most electric thing, dude, I had seats behind home plate at Dodger Stadium. And the Japanese fans came with red dots on their head bang and bangers dice K pitched each row played Jeremy Guthrie pitch for the you know, did he pitch that game? Hold on. I mean, Brian Roberts was on the team. I canโt eat like, but Davey Johnson was the manager. So like, it was as exciting a game and Iโve been to Dodger Stadium for big games playoff games. Iโve been and you know, I love Dodger Stadium. I think itโs itโs my favorite stadium and Iโve been to them all except Atlanta. Now the West more has been everywhere you go. I know heโs been at Atlanta to to see that. So heโs been somewhere I havenโt been. But I would say for the tournament. If you go to it, and youโre a part of it, youโre there. Thereโs games at Petco years ago, there. Itโs fun. And itโs March baseball. Thatโs fun. And Iโll say this. Youโve been to Sarasota? You know, Iโve been to St. Petersburg for 30 years ago and all the good and I liked Fort Lauderdale for what it was for drinkin and beach and and I was in my early 30s and 20s and whatnot. But spring training baseball, thereโs no there there. You get there. Thereโs a suntan. Thereโs an ice tea and lemonade. Thereโs no there there. Thereโs a there there with the WPC. And as it ramps up, and as the players go, and to your point, everybodyโs nervous about it. I donโt know, but itโs better in March when itโs going on, although itโs kind of lost on me a little bit with all the Lamar and the basketball and other things happening. Even the Oscars the other night. Right. Other things that are happening in the Lamar situation here, sort of Mars and a little bit from a do I have three hours to watch Venezuela play whomever? Right?
Luke Jones 08:37
Yeah, and I mean, the one thing about the Lamar situation, I mean, other than turning on NFL Network, thereโs nothing to watch. Thereโs no there there. So I think in some ways, itโs a pleasant distraction. Yeah, itโs a pleasant distraction in that way. But no, I mean, hereโs hereโs a very simplistic example to support what you just said. I went over to my brother in lawโs house on Saturday night. And we watched the United States against Great Britain which by the way, if youโve seen the Great Britain jerseys hilarious, right? I mean, it is. It really feels like wait a second Great Britainโs in this tournament. We need uniforms for them because itโs just plain block letters. Greg, Great Britain. I think what a Arial font you know, sans serif for whatever we
Nestor Aparicio 09:19
do things over there. They do hilarious. They do improper
Luke Jones 09:22
but but we watched that game and we watched Venezuela against the Dominican Republic. We would not have been watching spring training baseball on a Saturday evening, you know, and heโs a monster Phillies fan and I covered the Orioles but we just wonder been watching spring training baseball, you know, but we were watching the WBC so itโs fun. Iโve said this before when weโve talked about past instances of the of the WBC. I love the atmosphere. I love the enthusiasm. Rather than having these overdone conversations about showing up pitchers and the unwritten rules and all the different things we talk About with Major League Baseball, you just see the enthusiasm you see the electricity, not just from the fans, but the players again, tell these guys itโs that itโs an exhibition in March and it doesnโt look that way. Theyโre playing hard. You know, Iโm not gonna say itโs the World Series, but itโs more than grapefruit League. Itโs more than regular season Major League Baseball, thatโs for sure. So itโs fun. And especially when you look at these rosters. What was funny was looking at the Venezuela team, which Iโve had a chance to watch them a little bit with Santander plan, but you look at their lineup, top to bottom and the talent there really does speak to how many, you know, not just major leaguers that are of Venezuelan descent, but high impact really good major leaguers, great major leaguers. And itโs fun to see that because, you know, 1520 years ago, I mean, I can think back to what Melvin Mora and Bobby Bray, you were at the same All Star game, and I think a Bray might have been the year he won the homerun Derby or he was runner up something like that. I canโt remember. But you kind of look at some of these countries that the representation that has grown and you it reminds you of just how international the game really is. So I mean, itโs fun. I mean, yeah, some of these teams like you look at a Great Britain. I mean, they had, it was hilarious. Vance Wardley was starting for them who hasnโt pitched in the majors since what 2017 though, pitch and 16. The last time the Orioles were any good. But heโs having fun. So you see some of that. You see some of that in some of these, some of these countries that clearly donโt have the same talent level. But some of these teams like, I mean, the Dominican goes without saying Venezuela, Puerto Rico, the United States, you know, Japan is loaded. I mean, you see some of the talent levels of some of these countries. And it does remind you just how cool the game actually is, as much as we talk about Major League Baseball shortcomings. And now weโre going to be talking so much about the pitch clock and banning the shift and all the different things that have been talked about. And we have seen shorter games this spring. But thereโs still something to be said about seeing this kind of international tournament going on. Iโll be it in March. And Iโll be at some risk involved for some of these major leaguers. But itโs fun, it really is fun. And regardless of what the ratings are, and the fact that theyโre competing with March Madness, and everything else going on that you mentioned, it is a lot of fun to take a few hours and take in a game or two and really seeing what itโs all about. And, again, the atmosphere where some of these games have been played. Itโs been second to none.
Nestor Aparicio 12:38
Luke Jones is here he will be there opening day in Boston and then back here and weโre clearing space and hoping for better weather and update me just on Orioles starting pitching. What are we in starting pitching is different now itโs different than the way weโve talked about it for 50 years to some degree. And even in regard to to wagering on and up at Barstool Sports and Hollywood casino on Thursday and saying weโre betting on pitchers for baseball, but just where the team and the construction of the team would be because as much as weโre in Lamar mode and the offseason and tampering in the NFL, the Orioles didnโt make enough of a splash about any of that in the way that all these NFL teams are making splashes this week, whether youโre the Panthers dealing for a one or whether youโre the Rams deal, and Jalen Ramsey and the dolphins, like all of these things that st sign and players football is going to dominate all of that, to some degree. But the baseball thing they missed out on all of this. But if Iโm just getting into the soap opera, where where are Whereโs John Meadeโs? Like I? I have question marks because he was all we talked about a year ago right now?
Luke Jones 13:52
Yeah, well, I mean, heโs still recovering from Tommy John surgery. Heโs back. And heโs throwing and going through that progression. He recently threw off what I guess a half mound kind of scenario. Sounds like July for him. No, I think thatโs probably realistic. You know, I know, is there a best case scenario that may be the end of June or something like that? Sure. But July, I think second half of the season, youโre looking at more?
Nestor Aparicio 14:17
I donโt think weโve said his name in six months on on these airwaves. Right. Have we? Well, sure.
Luke Jones 14:21
I mean, but thatโs the reality when when you have Tommy John surgery, go away. I mean, even even a best case scenario for a timetable is what 10 months may be I mean, thatโs on the shortest of the short end of a range. You know, itโs usually in that 12 to 14
Nestor Aparicio 14:36
John means can be given them innings in August in a pennant race. Sure,
Luke Jones 14:41
no question about it and I think as much as you mentioned it and look Iโve written about this Baltimore positive.com I would have liked to have seen the Orioles done more this offseason. But as you mentioned, you can make a splash that doesnโt always mean itโs gonna be a good splash, right? It can be some ill conceived you know, some ill fated kind of moves that You ultimately make but what the Orioles did do this offseason, they bring in Kyle Gibson, they they trade for Cole Irvin, and theyโve raised their floor of their starting rotation. Those are two guys who have logged a lot of innings in the major leagues. Gibson for a long, long time being someone whoโs in his mid 30s. And Cole Irvin, whoโs 29. You know, heโs not young, but heโs been, you know, he hasnโt been around a long time but logline innings for the Aโs last couple years. So you have those two, those are two rotation locks in terms of veterans, grace and Rodriguez. All indications are heโs going to be in the rotation to start the season. We think, you know, the velocity has been really good. Heโs healthy. You know, he got gave up a couple runs the other day in Sarasota. I think it was in Sarasota may have been on the road. But philosophy is good. Looks like heโs healthy. I expect him to be in the rotation. You know, kind of radishes had a good spring. I donโt put a lot into spring numbers. But you know, youโre kind of looking at the guys. Youโre expecting. Dean Kramer. Weโve already mentioned whoโs pitching for Team Israel right now. But I think thatโs going to be your starting five. I think Tyler Wells is still in the conversation whether do you end up piggybacking him with one of those other starters I just mentioned, does he settle into a relief role as we saw him in as a rule five pitcher A couple years ago? I think the rest of the names you talked about, like, you know, Mike Bowman, Bruce Zimmerman, you know, to me, those are the guys that were always kind of long shots to be in the rotation. And I think itโs going to play out that way. So do any of those guys find a way to the bullpen or are they starting to trip away? But youโre gonna have the two veterans, you know, theyโre gonna kind of anchor things for you from an inning standpoint. Grayson Rodriguez and Kyle Bradish to me are your real ceiling guys, you know, guys and Kramer, probably to a lesser degree for him. But certainly he pitched very well last year. And I think the question for right now. Not, I mean, heโs not going to be in the opening day rotation. But what do they do with DL haul he did have a little bit of a health issue with, you know, a lower back issue earlier this year, you know, heโs heโs back throwing and building up his his pitch count and all of that. But the big question for him all along has been, what do you do with him? If heโs not one of your starting five going north? To me, Iโm of the thought of, I certainly donโt want to shorten up DL haul in April and May and June with the with the assumption that your starting rotation is going to go through some challenges, right, guys are gonna get hurt, someoneโs going to be ineffective. All the things you need more than five starting pitchers, we know that and thatโs even with John means rejoining them at some point in time later in the season. So well, for my money. What I do with DL haul is I send them back to triple A, and I continue to have him develop as a starter there because if Iโm going to shorten him up and put him in the bullpen, Iโm really not looking at that as an option until August, August and September, you know, kind of how the Orioles treated Kevin Gasman in late 2014. Remember, he was in their bullpen in the postseason. So, you know, I think thatโs kind of been the big question as far as what happens with him taller wells to a lesser extent. But the nice thing, everything I just spelled out, donโt get me wrong. Iโm not saying that that rotation is the best in the Al east or anything by a longshot. But it is a rotation that has more options to it, then weโve been talking about a year ago at this time, we were talking a lot about Bruce simmerman. Right? It was kind of assumed he was gonna be in the rotation. Heโs on the outside looking in at this point. And part of that he had a rough 2022. Thereโs no question about that. But it also speaks to the Orioles do have more options now. And they do have more viability among those options. Itโs not just guys that are kind of by default, being in the mix. Now itโs more of a case of, you know, who exactly is going to emerge and be the best fit? So, you know, I think thatโs fun. Thatโs thatโs encouraging. Would I have liked to have seen them at a top half of the rotation starter with a little more upside than Kyle Gibson or call Irvin? Absolutely. But where they stand right now. And this is probably always going to be the case. It was always going going to come back to Grayson Rodriguez, the last year or two has been widely regarded as the top pitching prospect in baseball. Well see what it looks like. Now heโs healthy, see what he looks like in the major leagues. So
Nestor Aparicio 19:38
if he turns into that at the big league level, thereโll be really good.
Luke Jones 19:41
Yeah, yeah. I mean, thereโs a couple of veterans that I mentioned that they can continue to give you innings and be workhorses for you because you do have some young pitchers here that youโre going to have to be mindful of their innings. Not to say that theyโre going to be on a hard restriction, but you have to be mindful of it at the very least. But if Grayson Rodriguez can be as advertised. And Kyle Bradish can pitch like he pitched over the second half of last season and Dean Kramer can do what he did for the most for most of last season, then youโve got the makings of a rotation that looks a lot better than itโs been
Nestor Aparicio 20:13
a man 20 months ago, I remember you and I were like, whoโs going to pitch? Where are they? Were they going to buoy tonight? Are they going to make some deal, theyโre going to claim some jackwagon with a nine era off of waiver. I mean, like, there was all of that going on. And they werenโt even doing that, because they werenโt really trying to win. So but theyโre trying to win now. And I would think that theyโre not going to have to do that part of winning is weโre not going to have to sit here and say, Oh, theyโre gonna have to start that guy. And that guy might be Bruce Zimmerman. But if theyโre starting to Zimmerman, it might be because heโs six and three with you three, eight era in Norfolk. And itโs trending like he deserves a star. Not like, Oh, my God, heโs getting his head beaten in Durham. And we, you know, we gotta go, we gotta go have and pitch for us, because thatโs what happened. But thatโs what non contending and that the teams that arenโt trying, thatโs what they do. Right. But this is, weโve now allegedly moved to a point where weโre team trying not not trying anymore, and that happen quickly.
Luke Jones 21:18
Yeah, well, sure. And I mean, as much as we talk about the payroll, or lack thereof, and all those, yeah, I mean, this is a team that fancies itself is having a chance to make the playoffs this year, and they absolutely have a chance and it doesnโt mean theyโre going to doesnโt mean that everything that went well, last year will continue. Now one area where I do look at and I take a little bit of pause is the bullpen as I already mentioned, I mean, Dylan, Tateโs injured and not gonna be ready for the start of the season. And, you know, as guys that you counted on last year, like Brian Baker, Joey cradle guys like that, are they going to duplicate what they did a year ago, we know how volatile relief pitching can be. But at the same time, you have other interesting arms in the mix. And youโve brought back Michael Gibbons, for example, who can be a seventh and eighth inning guy for you? Felix Batista, is he going to be even better his second year or, you know, you at least assume itโll be as good as he was as a rookie. Because, you know, there was nothing fluky about it. He was dominant. No, it wasnโt some guy that was smoke and mirrors getting hitters out. So you look at all those factors. But to bring it back to the rotation, it is a much different mindset. As you mentioned, two years ago, there was a question of how are you going to navigate 162 games, right? I mean, thatโs how are you going to get through 162 games without having to throw Stevie Wilkerson out on the mound in the ninth inning? I mean, how many times we talked about that punch line? Now, you know, youโre in a position where, okay, who are your best five? And whatโs that going to look like? And you know, Ken, are these guys that can give you sub four era days and enough innings to keep your bullpen healthy?
Nestor Aparicio 22:57
Right, like enough innings when we talk about it. Itโs
Luke Jones 23:00
changed. Itโs changed, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Itโs a different dynamic than it was well, your
Nestor Aparicio 23:06
bullpen more and your bullpen guys arenโt going to be Kevin Hickey coming in and throw in two pitches and like thatโs not what this is. And the pitch count thing I havenโt even started with that with you but thatโs anything itโs a firestorm in February always kind of concerns me a little bit and especially in a game where theyโve tried to change so many things so many times and have fallen short in so many ways with rules time. This is the this is their original sin right? Is trying to get the games moving along. In my lifetime theyโve never had a grip on this right.
Luke Jones 23:41
Itโs changed a lot. I mean, whatโs whatโs wild about it and look, I havenโt watched a ton of spring training baseball and whatโs interesting is the WBC as weโve talked about, well, Baseball Classic. Theyโre playing with the 2022 MLB rules. So there is no pitch clock in the WBC. So thatโs another interesting dynamic, especially for these pitchers, and even the hitters because I think what we found with some of the early returns are I think for the most part, most of the pitchers are okay with the pitch clock. I think where there has been some adjusting is a lot of these hitters, you know, the idea, the idea of taking a pitch and then youโre walking out of the box and doing a semicircle and adjusting your batting gloves and knocking the dirt out of your cleats and yeah, thatโs a different. Thatโs a different dynamic.
Nestor Aparicio 24:29
Mike Hargrove. Thatโs what I Yeah. Oh, no,
Luke Jones 24:31
no question about it. But whatโs interesting is and part of what the problem is, you mentioned like Hargrove and you say that with some affinity, right? Youโre some fondness. The problem is recognizably baseball. No, well, the problem is, everyone became my car grow over time, and thatโs where these games have become so slow. So, so what weโre seeing and again, Iโm, Iโm cautious not to draw too many conclusions here. But we have seen show Other games, we have seen 2025 30 minutes be shaved off the the average game time even looking back at Spring training last year compared to this spring. So, you know, I think I donโt think you know what the games Iโve watched, it hasnโt felt too rushed, which has been a good thing. I think, you know, even though the clock can be a little distracting from a standpoint of if they put it up on the score bug in the way that Nason did for their first telecast, which Iโm not even saying that thatโs a complaint, but you know, itโs different. You know, youโre not used to seeing a clock in Major League Baseball. But I think what you what we found a lot with people whoโve seen it a lot at the minor league level, and especially, this is where the Orioles have a little bit a little bit of an advantage, because so many of their pitchers are young, right, and theyโre coming from the minor leagues here over the last year or two, and even some of their hitters. So theyโre they, theyโve kind of grown up in this environment over the last couple years where this was introduced in minor league baseball. But I think for the most part, I donโt, I think everyone will get used to it. And yeah, thereโll be some violations early on. And we might even see a walk off when for some team that has a, you know, a pitch clock violation. We saw that training, and it was right. And itโll be a big story at that point in time. But I think and what we found what what was found in minor league ball was early on, yeah, you found some more violations. I think it was, on average over two plus. And then I think, a couple months in, you were starting to see I think, on average, was about half of a violation per game. You know, thatโs, thatโs what you were seeing. So, you know, itโs, you know, thereโll be some awkwardness. And, look, I expect old school fans to bristle at some of these things. And I understand that to an extent. But Iโll also remind them that the game that you long for 40 years ago, Jover was not the game that was being played pre pitch. Well, it wasnโt the game being played pre pitch clock anyway, because it was just so darn slow. So, you know, is there a case where maybe weโll have to find a happy medium? At some point, maybe theyโll have to tweak it. And weโve seen, we saw this with all the, you know, the all the substances for the pitchers, right? We saw them adjust on the fly a couple years ago with that. So if they need to adjust it, if they need to tweak this a little bit, I think theyโre, they have the ability to do that most likely. But I think if if we can, if everyone has an open mind about it, I think itโs something that could be good for the game doesnโt mean itโs gonna fix all their issues. But I think it can be good to pick up the pace a little bit. I think thatโs good for everyone. And, you know, not even getting into the shift, which is now you know, it need to have two infielders on each side of second base and have to be in the dirt. So weโre not going to see those exaggerated shifts. So, youโre seeing it in the WBC right now. So we bid farewell to that after that. But I I like that weโre seeing some attempts to improve the game. Is everything going to hit? Is everything going to land the way they want it to? Probably not. But I at least, and I donโt do this often, because there isnโt much I applaud major league baseball for but I do it at least acknowledge some recognition of, hey, we canโt continue to have the game go the way that itโs going. Itโs getting longer and slower. And thereโs less action involved.
Nestor Aparicio 28:30
And the attention span of Americans is the question the other direction. Yes. Right. And look,
Luke Jones 28:34
thatโs going to be a challenge regardless, because baseball is not going to become lacrosse, right? Baseball is not going to become ice hockey or basketball. Nor should it because itโs, you know, at the end of the day, itโs baseball, right? Itโs intended to be a slower game. But how slow is too slow? Well, I think weโve seen it become way too slow in recent years. So if you have a pitch clock to pick up the pace a little bit, keep a little more of a rhythm for these pitchers, which I think for the most part, I think the pitchers are going to like it, I think itโs a little more of a challenge for the hitters, but though adjust, and then weโll see what it looks like. And ultimately, as Iโve said to you over and over for me, it was rarely about the type of game, it was rarely about that it was more the action within the game. So thatโs going to be the big question. Itโs great to pick up the pace. But if youโre going to continue to just have more strikeouts and more walks and all that. Itโs not going to make, you know, move the needle quite as much but Iโm still not
Nestor Aparicio 29:31
expecting any hunting or hitting and running. No, Iโm not. And Iโm not expecting so. I mean, thereโs just things that the genies not going back in from Oh sure. How did you standpoint from a contract standpoint, from a way that managers manage and the way teams own and the way they want the game played the way they want pitchers arms to not fall off when they invest in them? The way they donโt want a book show Walter to ride Matt weeders like a rented mule, like all of these things. things right? That just go into the NBA having you know, Iโm gonna take the day off, you know, load management or whatever, man, thereโs some, the NBA, and Iโll hear it and I, you know, I covered the NBA. So Iโm not a stranger to any of this stuff. Iโve been doing this a long time. If there was ever a load management issue, the baseball thing would Cal Ripken needed load management.
Luke Jones 30:24
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, and you just mentioned it. Itโs a reminder that all of these sports have changed over time. I mean, my goodness, those who long for the days of Johnny Unitas, I mean, the sport now in the NFL is not even recognizable compared to what it was that
Nestor Aparicio 30:41
last one to catch on to today, the arrows arenโt giving us spring training. Like weโre still dinosaurs here. But in New York just got like, like international players three years ago. So you know that here, weโre really under a rock. Itโs Flintstones here, literally.
Luke Jones 30:58
Yeah, yeah. In certain ways. It absolutely is. Well, even talking about the analytics and all the technology that Elias and the current regime brought in that the cloud really wasnโt using prior to that. So but but the overall point I was making is, all of these sports have evolved, all the sports have changed. Sometimes it happens organically. And sometimes. Yes, it is real changes. We just celebrated to watching the 2000 ravens on the bullies of Baltimore, ESPN 30, for 30, my goodness, watch highlights of that team and think how many flags would be thrown today? It is a different game today. And yet the NFL is still the most popular sport in America by an extraordinary margin. And so yes, things are going to change. Nothing stays the same forever. And as much as Iโd even
Nestor Aparicio 31:44
gamble on it. I donโt know if you heard that or not. You can gamble on football now.
Luke Jones 31:48
Itโs a new thing. gamble on anything. Right, exactly.
Nestor Aparicio 31:52
how much things have changed? Wow. Sure.
Luke Jones 31:55
Absolutely. I think, you know, we we use that example of Tony Romo hosting the party, right, you know, the fantasy football party. And now youโre seeing every other ad, every other commercial during a football game, Rick Neuheisel
Nestor Aparicio 32:07
getting thrown out of sports for having a March Madness pool.
Luke Jones 32:11
Yeah, yeah. So things change, things evolve. And as much as I was someone who was anti having a clock in baseball, and I still am, at its core, you know that the beauty of baseball is that you can technically comply forever, right? I mean, thereโs that possibility of a game going on forever. So you know, I donโt want that to change. But this is a change with the pitch clock that the early return to me has been encouraging. Spring Training, baseball is not the same as the regular season, which is not the same as postseason. So it will be interesting to see how that looks. And I will be interested to see if they do need to tweak things at some point, whether itโs in the middle of the season in emergency scenario that they didnโt think of, or is it a case where they tweak it next offseason. But if we do get quicker games, little little more action, the ship leading to more, weโve seen more singles in grapefruit league games, and weโve seen in regular season recently, you know, going back to last year, so great. Iโm all for ways to make the game better. I know that itโs not always popular. I know. Thereโs we all fear change, right? I mean, weโre just thatโs how we are. Thatโs how we are as human beings, we fear change. But I do think some of the rules and some of the early returns weโve seen, well, itโs quirky, itโs weird and thinking about some of the step off rules. And you can only throw over the first base twice and all the things that weโre gonna, weโre all going to be learning as it goes on and reminding ourselves of some of the changes. I do think it has the potential to make the game better. And if we can do that, then thatโs a good thing because I want baseball as a baseball fan, a lifelong baseball, fan, baseball, and pro wrestling really being the only things that Iโve truly loved my entire life from the time I was two or three years old, to the time where Iโm almost 40 I want to see baseball continue to thrive and be healthy and succeed for a long time and for many generations to come. So if some of these rules can help on that front, even just a little bit than I think itโs worth it.
Nestor Aparicio 34:15
Well, the rock made it to the Oscars the other night. So wrestlingโs all grown up and that that jacket he had on was was fabs. I listen, I gotta tell shout out to John maroon that when I get Cal Ripken on the next time and Cal and I have discussed the crabcakes several on several occasions trying to get together because Iโve bumped into him. Iโm gonna ask him if he would have preferred that night and Paul takut to just have a base runner on second base in the 10th inning get the damn thing over with that makes sense.
Luke Jones 34:42
Yes, yes. And thatโs what I still struggle with as far as the the ghost runner at second.
Nestor Aparicio 34:51
I canโt Yeah, that is the stuff we played wrong. Yeah, heโs his backyard was like off anything. If you hit the ball into the basket, you got to tell It runs stupid rules that I guess for me runner on second base is dumb. This college football Give me the ball on the 20 yard line. BuJo mad. I donโt like any of that stuff.
Luke Jones 35:12
No, I hear you. I hear you. And I guess for me,
Nestor Aparicio 35:15
I donโt like shootouts in soccer. But Iโve learned to accept them to some degree.
Luke Jones 35:20
I was I was accepting of the runner at second. Remember that was that was spawned by the pandemic year and I get it. That was a weird year, all of that. There are a lot of people that like it. Letโs be clear about that. And a lot of people who are baseball, people who like it,
Nestor Aparicio 35:35
you know, when youโre like when itโs 1048. At night, you realize the game will be over by 1115. And that youโre not going to have to call into work or 13th inning game with 1200 of your friends. I mean, dude, youโve been down there for 100 of them. Right?
Luke Jones 35:51
Sure, I guess from and take the media out of it just fans because we were paid to be there. So I donโt want to make it about me. But I think with that scenario, and you know, in the regular season, is there a middle ground that you could wait until the 12th inning to do that, or the 11th inning to do that? Can we play a couple normal extra inning? Because people will say the alternative is okay, have ties after 12 innings? You have you have a tie? Which Iโm totally anti that, you know, I donโt want to see ties in base letโs have a home run. So I donโt know. I mean, itโs
Nestor Aparicio 36:27
the base Exactly. Look here with throw the bat will go off the bat, you know, right.
Luke Jones 36:33
Right, right. So, so I know and look with me endorsing some of the rule changes for this year. I donโt love every rule. Like I struggle with the shift, you know, as banning the ship from the standpoint of, you know, the teams that were smart enough to track this to realize that it made more sense to do this. And letโs not pretend the shift was something new teams shifted against Ted Williams Way back when you know, when the World Series, famously, you know that the Cardinals shifted against him and the World Series. So itโs not like that was something brand new. Itโs just it had become so normalized, right. And it becomes such a, it was baked into the fabric of the modern game. So I struggle with that. But at the same time, I also understand that, you know, the idea of a hot smash up the middle, used to be a hit, you know, had been a hit for 100 years in Major League Baseball and suddenly wasnโt anymore. I know, there are positives and negatives to these different rule changes, I get that. And thereโs certain ones that Iโm okay with, or other ones I donโt like quite as much. But I guess my best advice is keep an open mind. And I donโt mean that for you. I mean that for anyone who is reluctant about this, and weโll see how it plays out. I do think the pitch clock and even talking to people that have broadcasted at the minor league level. They the overwhelming sense Iโve gotten is, you kind of forget about it after a while and you get used to it after a while and it does lead to a faster paced game in terms of not sitting there waiting baked in, it just gets baked in. Yeah, exactly. You get to the point where you kind of forget about the clock. And yeah, every once in a while thereโll be a violation, you know, theyโll have that and you hope it doesnโt happen at a time where itโs a walk off scenario.
Nestor Aparicio 38:15
These are young people, theyโre pliable, they, these pigs, actually, sitters can get in the box umpires or get them in the box, itโll be part of their routine, it should be part of the way they train and think about the game. I donโt youโre youโre saying to me like Iโm going to push back. Thereโs a lot of I donโt I push back on baseball on trying to get better, and actually doing things that makes them better. I donโt have any issue with that. It my issue over the long course is theyโve completely screwed the franchise up here. Theyโve screwed the franchises up in a lot of places. They fix them in some other places where thereโs been some love and some watering and some care. This hasnโt been one of them. And while thatโs happened, the game sort of disintegrated from an age standpoint. And this market with lacrosse specifically, and how rabid football is here that even with spring training, they canโt get the oxygen in a year when Lamar is Lamar. Itโs just so troublesome. You know, for me over a lifetime with baseball. I cheer for them, not against them. You know what I mean? I like full ballparks. I know empty ballparks thereโs no justification for anything I did with free the birds that makes me look smart. I looked plenty frickin smart 617 years later after free the birds to smart people. But but an empty Stadium was never the design of any of this and it never changed anything here and I guess thatโs thatโs the sad part baseball never do anything to commissioners never did anything. The owner now the creepy owner kids running around with the governor and heโs gonna get a city built like I and they donโt want him so all of that as a backdrop. Like the shift and pitch clock and getting the gameโs over quicker. or theyโre solving like, Angel complaints. They David at the designated International League fine. Like, you know, that always started in 72 when I was four years old, right? So all my life dumped the DH and all that. I mean, the World Baseball class, we began with that. I donโt know if theyโre ever gonna get the Hall of Fame, right? or drugs or, you know whether Big Papi cheated and heโs in and Curt Schilling and I are very vital. Theyโre never going to figure that out. Right? Not in my lifetime. But like whether they can make the game good and get some people interested. And get your your nice interested in the game and maybe wanting to come and see Adley rutschman, whoโs a three time MVP, and thereโs been two parades by the time sheโs 12 Maybe youโd want to do that. I like yeah, I Iโm cheering for them always. But they almost canโt get out of their own way. In some cases. I donโt know that thatโs been the case with these rule changes. I think theyโre good. Look, Iโm not a Iโm not being an old guy.
Luke Jones 40:59
Yeah, and when I said that, as far as I was more speaking to the audience, and not us specifically, but the one thing you didnโt mention, you mentioned it in passing, but that baseball has to get right across the board TV, they have to get this Ramadan. You know, when you have the RSN model is falling apart before our eyes not even talking about masaje
Nestor Aparicio 41:20
Oh, they were doing was bragging about how they were gonna make on bam, they did that for 50 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, kids. Lukeโs your kid, oh, I got the mobile I got the app. I got the stats. I can gamble on it. I can, you know, oh, Kenny ball. I could I could gamble on every pitch. You know what I mean? Like, all of that here and do they canโt get they canโt give me Adley rutschman on a March day to get me lubricated to buy an orange plan. Like itโs theyโre just horrible business people. But in this case, theyโre horrible people that run this place, like, like, Iโve watched this, and I donโt know what itโs like in St. Louis, or Boston, adalah Kinos gone, or what the cubs are doing, or, you know, what, what Greg bater. Theyโve hired in whatever franchise they have. But I was in Houston, and theyโre excited. Theyโre right, even about college basketball this week. And then I go to Tampa, and itโs like, thereโs no franchise there. So it really is sort of station to station and market the market to some degree. And I was told and I think you might have been at the at the table in Boston for a brunch when you were a younger man, by a major executive who said there are silos in the game. And they all go up in different towers. And nobody talks to anybody. And this RSM thing is bad. I mean, itโs almost like all of them are as bad as John Angelos was at managing what was a cash cow here for 15 years, they should have been drinking hundreds of millions of dollars off the top of that.
Luke Jones 42:52
Well, it just comes down to I mean, cable and satellite is going away, right? I mean, itโs direct TV, look at direct TVs, numbers, look at different cables. I mean, all of them are dropping, right. Itโs all going to streaming so itโs a matter of they have not reacted quickly enough to that. And I donโt mean the Orioles I mean Major League Baseball as an entity and the 30 clubs individually. So but everything about this comes back to access, right? You know, whether weโre talking about spring training games, whether weโre talking about people that are blacked out, and if they if they donโt have one specific way of getting the games on cable or satellite and theyโre out of luck in their market and theyโre blacked out. I mean, can
Nestor Aparicio 43:33
you imagine my 98 year old mother being 104 right now and being alive and trying to find the game like literally like she would call me every night? Is it all Masson? One is a namaste just confused by that, right? Like just trying? I donโt really know where, where and when.
Luke Jones 43:49
See, see the bigger concern there is not, you know, not someoneโs mother, whoโs advanced age or not you or even me as someone whoโs now in my late 30s. Itโs the 20 year old who you know, the 22 year old whoโs right out of college, and theyโre not getting subscribing to direct TV and theyโre streaming Hulu. You know, take your pick Netflix, whatever. And they have no way of accessing Mac Masson. That way, and you know what theyโre saying, all right. And then theyโre either not watching the games at all, or theyโre trying to get it pirated on the internet. Either way, itโs not healthy for the long term viability of your franchise of your sport, when people are restricted to that degree and being able to watch the product. And look this isnโt about making it free. But make it available, you know, have a streaming package Allah carte, which is inevitably what all these teams are gonna have to do. Itโs just gonna be a matter of how quickly do you do it and do you do it in a way that makes theyโre
Nestor Aparicio 44:53
gonna have to get money from every fan directly, instead of stealing it from my motherโs cable bill and All right, boy, oh boy, oh boy, do they not have a plan for the depth of that, that this 22 year old kid is going to give them 12 bucks a month to watch games on TV as like a season ticket without them getting a ticket to go down to the ballpark and a beer thrown in, theyโre gonna have to, theyโre gonna need people way smarter than TJ Bryan to figure out how to put this together. Look with me and or dude, Iโll let you finish up on on the TV thing, because youโre even in Pennsylvania, you know, I mean, like, youโre in a different place. Iโm in Baltimore County, the game, if I got k by EI, I still can click away and get it in the old guy way and find it, not spring training. But I am confident that Iโm gonna have 158 games themed in here if I want them this year, as long as Iโm a cable subscriber. And thatโs kind of what theyโre counting on. Right?
Luke Jones 45:47
Yeah. And thatโs been the model for the longest time for Major League Baseball, but also for the NBA and the NHL. And theyโre dealing with the same thing, trying to figure this thing out. Now, maybe their streaming models are more viable. I know, for example, you can you can stream, NBA League pass and for a specific team, but thereโs still the in market out of market blackout type scenarios that you have to jump through hoops, it comes down to a very simple question. If I want to watch, can I watch it? How much will it cost? How easy is it to access it? And you know, if those questions are complicated, or you donโt have good answers for those question, questions, those people arenโt watching. And then even more importantly, their kids arenโt watching. So again, the movie
Nestor Aparicio 46:34
industry, I donโt have any problem with that I know where to find a movie, right? I know where to find things, right? If I want Springsteen, I know where to find him. I want the oil. I mean, Iโve wanted the three weeks I canโt find it. But well,
Luke Jones 46:47
and again, youโre Iโm still talking in a big picture sense. And look, I criticize the Orioles for years about maths and spring training games. But spring training still only has so much of an audience. But the problem is you get to the regular season, and people want to watch and they donโt have a way to easily do it. Thatโs a problem. Thatโs when people tune out forever. There are lots of over there lots of people who donโt pay attention to spring training in the same way that lots of Ravens fans donโt pay attention to fake football in August. I mean, yeah, so thatโs, thatโs thatโs an issue. Donโt get me wrong, not showing your Spring Games. Thatโs an issue. Thereโs no question. But in the big picture sense, knowing where this is going knowing that there are already RSN โs that are on the verge of closing up shop that are even in worse shape than acid right now, just in terms of what is going to happen in 2023. Theyโve got to get this figured it out figured out because itโs not going back to the way it was. And to your point, the ala carte subscription model, theyโre all going to be competing with each other not having all everyone that subscribed to direct TV is just going to give you you know, x whatever the amount is per month now you know, thatโs gonna thatโs going away, you know that thatโs going away much sooner rather than later. So theyโre gonna have to figure it out if they want to stay viable and stay healthy for the long run.
Nestor Aparicio 48:04
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