The Buffalo Bills opened the week as a 1-point favorite at home against the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Divisional Playoff game, where temperatures at game time are expected to be in the teens. Luke Jones and Nestor discuss the Ravens’ historic running attack going on road to Buffalo as underdogs after beating the Bills soundly in Baltimore in Week 4.
Nestor Aparicio and Luke Jones discuss the Baltimore Ravens’ playoff journey, highlighting their road to the AFC Championship. They reflect on the Ravens’ impressive win over the Steelers, noting their 18-0 lead and the Steelers’ late surge. The conversation emphasizes the Ravens’ tough path, including their 8-10 record against Pittsburgh in recent years. They analyze the Ravens’ matchup against the Bills, focusing on the importance of Derrick Henry’s performance and the need to pressure Josh Allen. The discussion also touches on the Ravens’ health, their unique offensive strategy, and the potential challenges of playing in Buffalo and Kansas City.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Ravens playoffs, Buffalo Bills, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Super Bowl path, road to Kansas City, underdogs, Josh Allen, offensive line, run game, injury concerns, playoff experience, defensive strategy, unique quarterbacks, team health
SPEAKERS
Luke Jones, Nestor Aparicio
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Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W N S T. Am 1570 towns in Baltimore. We are Baltimore, positive it is a divisional playoff week here. I’ve been at this a long, long time, 34 years of doing radio. We’re in our 26 almost 27 years now of w n s t and I think about big playoff games around here, and we’ve had some heavy weights. I mean, any of the Brady Flacco, but we never Flacco is never perceived as being Lamar Jackson or a Hall of Famer, or any of that. We’re in a different space here, where we’ve won championships. We’re going to Buffalo, where they’ve never won championships. We talked about Pittsburgh a little bit over the weekend, where it’s been a long time since they won a championship. Philadelphia’s on in play. Washington’s in play. All of a sudden, again, Detroit, where they’ve never won, it is it’s a big final eight around here. Luke Jones can be monitoring all things ravens and buffalo in the late Sunday evening game. We’ll all be Houston Texans fans on Saturday afternoon in the hopes of getting another AFC Championship game here, it wouldn’t be against Kansas City if it were here. And Meantime, full disclosure, Luke and I have flights help for Kansas City next weekend, mainly because I love Kansas City and barbecue and Arrowhead Stadium and all of that. But how are you? How are you holding up here? This is for 50 weeks you’re like nothing means anything till they start winning. Plan nothing. Winning. Plan, nothing means any Well, here we are, and they were very impressive the other day. And if there’s a track toward Purple Rain three and you’re writing, and I’m not they, they certainly have made the right move. And if they are eliminated on Sunday night, it won’t be because injury attrition, not good enough. They’re built to win. They’re good enough to win a Super Bowl now, whether they will over the next three games, and they’ve made the toughest path you can make, going through buffalo, going through Kansas City, rooting for Houston, you know, is an eight and a half point dog to help you out, or whatever. Um, yeah, it’s if they win a Super Bowl, they will have earned it,
Luke Jones 02:04
no question about it. And I mean, I can remember saying to you tongue in cheek, but also having some sincerity in saying it at various times throughout the off season where I made the point that they’ve gone the number one seed home field advantage route twice and have come up short, and as disappointing as it was, look, it happens, right? I mean, the other team tries to and if you’re not at your best and the ball doesn’t bounce your way, you’re going to get beat. And, I mean, that’s that’s going to be the story on Sunday night for the bills or the ravens, right? I mean, they might both be at their best, and it’s still going to come down to one team wins and the other loses. But you know that I made the point that maybe them having a path that’s not as envious them having a path where they’re going on the road, where they’re perceived as an underdog, although, again, Vegas isn’t disrespecting them. I mean, someone has to be an underdog. And as of Sunday night, it was the Ravens being a one point underdog. They’re the road team. I I get it, you know, even if you point them week four and say, well, the Ravens won big back in week four. It’s also three and a half months ago, so A lot’s changed. And that’s not to say the Ravens aren’t going to win, but you know, you if you’re writing the book and you look at it and say, well, they got past Pittsburgh who for whatever reason, and we understand circumstances were strange at various times over the last five years, with COVID, with resting starters, with Lamar being hurt, but we know, I mean, the Steelers had had their number for a while, and they beat them back in week 16, And then they beat them emphatically on Saturday night. So you check that box now, Steelers no longer an issue for the ravens, you know, at least until they meet next September or October, or whenever it is. And now it’s buffalo. Ravens went to Buffalo back in the COVID year divisional round, neither Lamar Jackson nor Josh Allen had a particularly great game, but it was Lamar with the back breaking interception, interception, Teron Johnson returned it. What, 102 yards for a touchdown, and the Ravens lost. Only scored three points in that game. So, you know, it’s four years later. Since then, both these quarterbacks have only gotten better. And that’s, that’s quite a compliment, because they were both, you know, Lamar was already an MVP at that point, and Josh Allen was trending upward at that point in his career. But, you know, got to get through buffalo, you know, in the way that Joe Flacco for the ravens to get their shot against New England for the second straight year in the AFC Championship game, they had to get through Peyton Manning and the Broncos. So, you know, the good thing here is the Ravens certainly aren’t perceived to be underdogs in the way that that ravens team was. But that ravens team got the job done regardless. I want to say they, I don’t know if they were a 10 point favorite, but they were definitely, I mean, they were a substantial underdog in that game. Because, remember. They got their butts kicked in Baltimore by the Broncos. So, you know that’s that’s the the Broncos part of the narrative, so to speak. You know, if you’re comparing the 2012 team to this year, and then if you win, and assuming Kansas City beats Houston, which is my expectation, I mean, Stranger things have happened, I suppose, but that would be pretty darn surprising to me at the Texans pull off that upset, but if they don’t, then you’re going to Kansas City. So it sets up for quite the storybook path to Super Bowl, to the to the Super Bowl and going to New Orleans. But you know, the bills are saying the same thing right now? You know, the bills are in the same spot where they’re trying to have their redemption story, and they’re finally breaking through,
Nestor Aparicio 05:43
taking them on Sunday,
Luke Jones 05:45
8the bills on Sunday. I mean, look, Denver has, Denver has a good defense, so I think obviously, Buffalo squandered some opportunities early in that game. You know, it felt like
Nestor Aparicio 05:56
buttery. It felt like at halftime, you would have said they were playing with
Luke Jones 05:59
their food. And, I mean, certainly. I mean, what it was 10 seven at halftime, they should have been up by Yeah, felt like they could have been up by 10 points rather than only up three. But, you know, again, I think Denver was way better at this point in the season than Pittsburgh was, for example. So you get the Broncos a little bit of credit. I mean, hey, the Broncos got the explosive play on their opening drive. Get the long touchdown, and they’re up seven nothing. And at the same time, Buffalo ended up scoring 31 unanswered and really seized control of that game in the second half. I mean, their run game’s good. It’s not, it’s not historically amazing, like the Ravens run game with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson and that comp, that combination, the absolute hell that’s that puts on opposing defenses. But don’t sleep on the bills. I mean, everyone knows Josh Allen can run. We know that, but James Cook has had a heck of a year, and Ty Johnson, while he’s not quite as much of the guy that’s going to line up and run as a traditional running back. You saw the touchdown catch that he made. He’s a weapon out of the backfield. I mean, so if you look at the ravens and some of the things that give them trouble defensively, it is running backs out of the backfield. As a receiver, Ty Johnson can pose that that problem and and really, that’s an extension of the run game, right? So this is a bills team that we’ve talked about at the Ravens have a great run defense. You know what? They haven’t had issues stopping the run all year, until what the fourth quarter the Philadelphia game that you know very few exceptions, that teams have run on them at all. But this is a bills team that absolutely is capable of running, and we saw them really lean into that. You know, Josh Allen put up really good numbers, and had a heck of a game, don’t get me wrong, but they, you know, James Cook, 23 carries, you know, Ty Johnson, nine carries in that game. So they got their backs involved. And, you know, I thought they played a really sound game offensively, and I thought their defense played played well. Considering, even though he’s a rookie boat next, had really been playing at a high level at the end of the year, you know, other than that opening drive, their defense played well. So, you know, I, I think a lot of this bill’s team, you know, I, I don’t think of them like, Oh, they’re so much better than the Ravens or anything like that. No, far from it. I, think, you know, the Ravens have an outstanding chance to go in there and win. I mean, they prove that in week four. You know, if you can win home or away in the way that they did week four, the Ravens should have all the confidence in the world. But that said, this is a bills team that has been there like they have been in January. And at times, this bills team has played better than the Ravens have played in January in recent years. I mean, they’ve, they’ve had some absolute slobber knockers with the chiefs. So, you know, Josh Allen’s had some great games that they came up short, but you looked at how he played and said, There’s no shame, and now he played. So these two teams are, I said it in a previous segment. They’re kindred spirits in the way that they both have had so many highlights and individual and regular season and individual accolades and all that, but they’re both chasing Kansas City, and they’re both trying to break through, and now they’re having to fight each other to get that chance to go up against the chiefs, most likely. So, you know, I thought, I thought Buffalo was impressive. Obviously, the Ravens were very impressive, which was more impressive. I mean, I think Denver is better than Pittsburgh at this point, but I’m not, you know, both, both teams won in pretty, decide, decisive fashion. So I think, you know, it’s going to be, it’s going to be a challenge. You know, playing in Orchard Park this time of year is not an easy thing, you know, from the weather to just the atmosphere in general. So the ravens are going to have to go up there and play at a high level, but the bills are going to have to play at a really high level if they’re going to beat the Ravens.
Nestor Aparicio 09:55
Luke Jones is here. He will be monitoring all things ravens all week, if you’re not on the W and. Tech service. It is easy to do. You just text to 410-821-9678, just text W, N, S, D, or Text Join, and you’re on you’ll get the breaking news. I guess the the big news this week will be monitoring, and you’ll be monitoring, say, flowers, right, like and the general health of both of these teams, and who’s going to be on the field, who’s not going to be on the field. This matchup didn’t miss him so much against the Steelers. They ran and ran and ran more until they ran him into submission, really. And that was the game plan. It worked. It was great. I’d like to think that they could be able to run against the Buffalo Bills, and that’s something on the road that they would like and have to do on a very cold night to and as I wear my Derrick Henry Oilers Hall of future Hall of Fame jersey, Derek Henry. I think tackling Derrick Henry is the story of the game, because if the bills can’t do it, they can’t win. Yeah. I mean, look, if he runs for 199
8Luke Jones 10:56
against them, like he did back in week four, then the ravens are going to be going to the AFC Championship game. I think if you’re the bills, and you’re trying to look at it, practically speaking, you’re not going to stop Derek Henry. You’re not going to stop Lamar Jackson. In the same way that I think it would be quite ambitious to expect the Ravens defense to hold the bills to 10 points again, right? I mean, especially playing on the road this time around. But you’ve got to be able to be able to get some stops. You can’t let them wreck the game, right? I mean, that’s, you know, if you’re the bills, if Derek Henry runs for 200 he’s wrecking the game. If Derek Henry runs for 120 then we’ll see, right? We’ll see. If you hold them to 70, then, boy, you’re putting a lot on Lamar Jackson, then, especially if they don’t have zay flowers on Sunday night, you know. And we’ll see what his status is over the course of the week, you know, on the flip side, I mean, you know, the ravens, one thing that they were able to do in that week four game that was so impressive was they were really able to get after Josh Allen, he was sacked three times in that game. Go, look at how many times he was sacked all year. That bill’s offensive line is really good. So I think a key for this game is not just pressuring Josh Allen, but in the same way that every team talks about that with Lamar Jackson. You have to do it in a way to keep him caged in, right? You can pressure these guys? I mean, the Ravens. Lamar Jackson is pressured pretty frequently, right? And I don’t say that as like a a terrible indictment of the Ravens offensive line, but you know, it’s not a traditional asset kind of team. Lamar gets pressured, and then what does he do? He escapes, and he buys time. And sometimes he’ll take off, and other times they’ll run around for five seconds, and
Nestor Aparicio 12:40
then finally, sack too. By the way, he’s he’s gotten trapped more than you think he has. Lamar, yeah, yeah.
Luke Jones 12:45
I mean, he has, but, but not, not nearly as much as it could be, right? But
Nestor Aparicio 12:49
8he doesn’t drop back to pass 51 times. He doesn’t, but he also holds
Luke Jones 12:53
the ball way longer than other than other quarterbacks. And look, there’s a reward to that, but there’s also sometimes where he’s going to take a sack and probably wasn’t on the offensive line. So, you know, it’s a give take. I mean, these are such both these quarterbacks are so unique. That’s why, you know, as much as I don’t even want to get into it, because the voting is over, and this is what matters anyway, but that’s why so much of the MVP conversation is so nuanced, where you look at it and say, okay, statistically speaking, Lamar absolutely deserves it. But last year we were lots of people were saying and advocating for Lamar Jackson to be the MVP, even though, statistically, he didn’t have this overwhelming season. But they said, watch the games. Go, go see what he does. Both these quarterbacks are watch the game kind of quarterbacks, even though they put up amazing numbers, but they’re both guys where you just say, just watch them. Enjoy what they do, appreciate what they do, because it is so unique. I mean, these are wherever either of these guys ultimately ranks in NFL history. Who knows? Because they’re both young, hopefully they both stay healthy. They both have nude ring fingers, by the way, sleep that out, no doubt, and that’s part of it as well. Right now. Right has
Nestor Aparicio 14:07
been nearly as good at being creative as Patrick mahomes has been. He’s been better at it. Patrick
Luke Jones 14:11
mahomes Just, has just been better and better. In January, has a better coach. And I don’t say that to knock John Harbaugh or Sean McDermott, but Andy Reid is a better coach than than those two guys. Steve
8Nestor Aparicio 14:22
spagnolos A better defensive coordinator than anyone, well, anyone he
Luke Jones 14:28
Spags has been, especially in Kansas City, the last couple years. You know, when you kind of think about their transformation and what they were five years ago with Tyree kill and their offense just being insane, and how the last couple years, it’s transitioned from an offense that’s still good, but far from historic, and now their defense has you know, last year, their defense was driving the bus for them. You know, I mean not that Patrick mahomes and Kelsey aren’t Hall of Fame players, but their defense is going
Nestor Aparicio 14:56
to have to drive the bus when you’re trying to beat Allen and and Lamar. Especially, you’re not going to do that by letting them score 38 points and homes. You got to go get 41
Luke Jones 15:05
8where, whereas five years ago, their formula was they were going to score 41 against you, right? So, so you’ve seen that evolution for them, but, but we’re but, but, to bring it back to what I was talking about, Lamar and Allen. I mean, it’s just these are such unique quarterbacks. I mean, where they rank ultimately, as far as just how great they’re they’re going to be in the history of the game and Hall of Fame and all those different things you want to talk about in terms of just being unique. These are top 10 quarterbacks all time in terms of just how unique they are, how special they are, how how different their skill set is compared to what we’ve seen over the history of the game. I mean, it’s and that’s what makes it
Nestor Aparicio 15:50
fun. If Johnny United came back and you read Lamar stats to Johnny, what would he say he ran for? How many are? How did he do? He would
Luke Jones 15:58
say he ran for how many yards, and you threw how many touchdowns? And then you’d remember that in Johnny Unitas day, you could mug receivers. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 16:05
yeah, Johnny would share the rules different, yeah, is he playing 11 on nine,
8Luke Jones 16:09
but, but he would say, I mean, for both these quarterbacks, the way they run and what they do with their legs in addition to what they do as passers, and they’re both great passers as well. I mean, it’s, it’s a nightmare, right? Motion
Nestor Aparicio 16:22
that, you know, I grew up thinking, Johnny, you drew plays in the dirt. That’s why we weren’t done though. I don’t know if you did that in your neighborhood, and, and Shrewsbury or Essex before that, but, yeah, we drew up plays in the dirt. We’d say, you know, like, that’s the how this, that’s what they go through all of this coordination, and they’re gonna, they’re going to do all of this. We’re going to play and and in Allen’s case, the quick release of the ball in that West Coast. Peyton Manning modern way of SNAP, move, throw. Tom Brady did a lot of that where you can’t sack the quarterback. It’s impossible because he because it’s a set play that, and the breakdown of that in the modern era, with these three quarterbacks to throw across their bodies, against traffic, across the feet, all breaking all of the rules, throwing while they’re moving, releasing the ball before the guy gets out of his break. They can do everything, but the things that they can do that a lot of guys couldn’t do or weren’t allowed to do. I mean, I somebody compared with whoever did the game. I guess it was, was it Romo was or Nance comparing John Elway to to Josh Allen? I mean, I’ll hear that. And maybe John Elway ran a little bit, but he wasn’t. Nobody thinks that John always a running quarterback, even though I watched him every week, and he did a lot of running and scrambling and whatnot, but it’s the the mahomes miracle and getting rid of the ball and throwing passes other than Brett Favre, I guess no one else in the history of the game ever through because they couldn’t go back in the huddle and face their guys if they did something crazy like that.
Luke Jones 17:58
Well, I just think all three of these quarterbacks, and to keep it more on Lamar and Josh Allen, because, you know, if the Ravens win, we’re gonna be talking about Lamar against Patrick mahomes For a whole week. But
Nestor Aparicio 18:08
8they are mirroring what mahomes has done successfully. I mean, I think,
Luke Jones 18:13
look, you’ll hear coaches talk about this. I’ve heard Todd monkin talk about this, Greg Roman, obviously, others that are way smarter than than I am, in terms of breaking down the game. There’s quarterbacks running the play that’s called by their coordinator, and the play that’s called in the huddle. And then there’s a second play, you know, a quarterback like Joe Flacco or even Tom Brady, as as much as Tom Brady’s regarded, you know, seven Super Bowls, greatest of all time. All that they they, they weren’t second play guys, right? If the first play went down, you know, if the first play fell apart, they were getting sacked, or they were dirt in the ball, right? They’re throwing the ball away, what, you know. And mahomes does this as well, but maybe not, you know, not. He uses his legs when he needs to, whereas Lamar and Josh Allen. It’s a colossal part of what they do. And obviously both, both quarterbacks, you know, you made the you know the remark as far as Allen compared to John Elway, John Elway, even in his prime, from an athleticism standpoint, was never a design run kind of guy, scramble, yes, but they weren’t calling plays for him as a Design Runner very often, whereas Lamar and Josh Allen, that happens regularly. You know that happens multiple times a game. You know, some games more than others, but it’s just when it when the the play breaks down and you’re ad libbing, and it’s the second play. These guys just put such extraordinary stress on the opposition to one, make sure they don’t get out of the pocket. Two, if they do, to get them down downfield. So, you know, it’s a 10 yard run, you don’t want to turn it into a 40 yard run. And the other factor that May. Guys so deadly is you have to plaster guys in coverage. I mean, this is where Lamar, who was great five years ago, has become other worldly in the sense that he can escape. And five years ago, he was, for the most part, content to just take off and run, then, you know, as far as the second play, and that was great and highlight plays, and we can think of all the different plays he made doing that. But now, as he’s gotten older, as he’s in his seventh year, yes, he still has the ability to take off and scramble, and he’ll still do that, and he’ll still run for 50 yards if you don’t get them down to the ground, but his eyes are still looking downfield, and you’ll see him hold the ball. I mean, we saw this in Cincinnati earlier this year. I mean, he had the ball for like, what, 11 seconds. You know, whatever it was, Cincinnati played it perfectly. You know, you can’t draw it up any better than how they played it. And then he rips your heart out throwing a ball to the end zone for a touchdown. And, you know, Josh Allen did that on the fourth down play against Denver on on Sunday. I mean, think about that. That was fourth and short, and suddenly you’re kind of, you know, if you’re looking at that players again, oh, wow, Denver has this well covered. And then he throws a 30 yard pass to a running back, and Ty Johnson does an amazing job keeping his feet in bounds and getting the touchdown. I mean, those are the kind of plays, you know, plays like that, plays like we see Lamar make on a weekly basis, where he’s scrambling around and guys are covered. They’re covered, they’re covered. And then, because no defense can cover for 15 seconds or 10 seconds, then someone gets open, and these guys just the second play, sometimes a third play within the play. I mean, they’re just, they’re so good, they’re so special in that way. And that’s where, you know, you think about the history of the game, okay? France harkinson, you know? I mean, Michael Vick, you know. I mean you can. Steve Rogen, ran for a minute. Randall Cunningham, you know, I don’t want to say that they’re they didn’t exist, but I don’t know if any of those guys did it quite like these two guys do it and throw mahomes in there as well. You know, even though mahomes isn’t as apt to take off and run quite as frequently, but he’ll run around and scramble and wait and wait. I would throw
Nestor Aparicio 22:19
Brett Favre in there too, just from an inspirational standpoint as to what happens to throw the ball when the play breaks down, yeah, getting rid of the ball.
Luke Jones 22:28
No, I would agree with that. Only the the difference is, you know, farv didn’t have that, the mobility that these guys do, in the sense that far would would run around and scramble and throw, but you know, he wasn’t going to run for 50 yards, whereas these guys still have the ability to do that, right and and in the case of Josh Allen, you know, you, you love to talk about Lamar running in the linebackers over the years. I mean, Josh Allen doesn’t just run in the linebackers. He bulldoze his linebackers. You know, he’s 245, 250, pounds, whatever he is. But, I mean, these are just these two guys are just unbelievable to watch, and that’s why, as as nerve wracking as it, as it is for Ravens fans specifically, and Bills fans specifically, because of the high stakes of this game, if you’re just talking about this as a football fan, just as a pure entertainment value standpoint. I mean, this is incredible to get this. I mean, we saw it in the playoffs four years ago. You know, at that point, neither guy was the quarterback that they are now. And that’s that’s saying something, because Lamar was already an MVP quarterback at that point in his career. But both these guys have just their games have matured. They’ve gotten both are better from the pocket. I mean, they, they just, both these guys can just kill you in a variety of ways. And that’s where, you know, you look at a game like this, and just say, man, and it’s got to play out that way, right? I mean, you know, I mean, the ravens, Derek Henry runs for 200 yards, they’re gonna blow him out again, probably, you know, I mean, and it’s not, no, I’m not going to sit here and say that that’s impossible because they did it in week four. I’m not expecting that. I’m expecting the bills that to be better defensively than they were in week four. It’s not
8Nestor Aparicio 24:11
a bad game plan. That is the game plan to go run, run, run, some,
Luke Jones 24:14
sure, yeah. I mean, you know, I’m not going to
Nestor Aparicio 24:18
sit here. I mean, I don’t, I don’t think the game’s 14 to 10, and you’re losing at halftime because you ran too much. I don’t know, run some more.
Luke Jones 24:26
8Then it might just be, well, you might run, but it might be Lamar with the ball in his hands, and he’s looking to throw, and he takes off. Then, you know, I mean, again, that’s where these teams, these quarterbacks, are so difficult, because you can stop one element of what they do, but then they could beat you three other ways and and that’s where you look, even with the running backs. I mean, you know, don’t get me wrong, I’m not putting James Cook and Derek Henry’s category, but James Cook’s really good. You know, if you watch him play, my fantasy football team was happy to have him this year as I won my league. He was fantastic. But you know, you just look at the. Teams, with the running game and with what these quarterbacks do as passers playing from the pocket. Yes, but more so again, those second plays. You know, when the play breaks down initially because of pressure, because no one’s open, or whatever, what they can do in terms of ad libbing and improvise improvisation, it’s just it really is extraordinary. I mean, again, that’s where I said, Wherever these guys ultimately rank all time, 15 years from now. Who knows? You know a lot, a lot has to be written between now and then for both of them. But in terms of just their skill set and how unique they both are as just quarterback talents, man, they’re on a short list of some of the all time unique quarterbacks. And, you know, again, throw my homes in there as well. I’m not trying to, I’m not trying to sell him short, but he’s not involved in this week’s game. So it’s, I’m looking forward to it. I think you could tell how excited I am, and I think everyone is. I mean, this is, these are the games you wait and talk about all year for the potential for it to happen, knowing both teams have to stay healthy and both teams have to win in the wild card round, and both teams want to be in a position that you’re playing your best football. And, you know, feels like both these teams are are at that point. So I mean game one, you know, I can’t wait. And, you know, I expect this game to have the potential to be an all time kind of playoff instant classic
Nestor Aparicio 26:23
Luke Jones is here. It’s certainly been a weird week, you know, playing la Minnesota games in Phoenix and the fires last week and all that going on. I don’t know how many folks are planning on going up the buffalo this weekend. It certainly was a rowdy home crowd the other night. And, you know, I heard other people talking about the game as being boring for a Pittsburgh, Baltimore game, third, fourth quarter. I didn’t tweet a lot late in the game because there wasn’t, like, a lot. The game really wasn’t in doubt once it hit 21 right, like before the half, the second half, kind of you didn’t think the Steelers even had it in them to get back in the game, really?
Luke Jones 27:00
Yeah. I mean, I think put it this way, they, to their credit, they had their 98 yard touchdown drive, and they finally hit some big plays, which, you know, something the Ravens need to clean up. You know, that was the most big plays we’ve seen the Ravens pass defense give up in quite a long time. So I think that was at least a little bit of a cautionary tale that, hey, you know, Buffalo and Kansas City is paying attention to that. You know, as far as what could happen these next couple weeks, you know, if you do win Sunday in advance, but I yeah, when they had their 98 yard touchdown drive and then Lamar gets sacked on first down of the ensuing drive, there was a morsel of nervous energy that I think everyone’s like, Okay, you’re holding your breath. And then the Ravens scored a touchdown on three plays after that. I mean, it was game over at that point. But hey, that was kind of the story of wild card weekend, though, right? I mean, Washington, Tampa Bay, on Sunday night ended up being a good game. And you know, Washington’s kicker joints the game winning field goal off the upright and through. But you know, I think the most surprising game of the weekend was the Texans beating the Chargers the way they did. I think everyone thought there was a chance that that could be the final score, but it’d be the opposite. You know, thought, I think people thought the Chargers had a weird
Nestor Aparicio 28:12
week for anybody in LA and evacuating and moving around. Like, I don’t, I think about it that way with kids and dogs, and there’s a fire like until you’ve seen a fire like that, and I’ve only seen one once in my life, like I was out in Yellowstone and saw it like it’s just an unbelievable thing. And I, you know, no excuses for the Chargers or whatever. They got beat and Herbert throwing the picks and all of that. But I, you know, I even think for the RAM. I just think, in a general sense, I give the Chargers a pass in that way and going on the road and doing but it wasn’t a good that wasn’t indicative of who the team was this year for them, and it creates a messy off season for Ortiz and for Jim Harbaugh too, and certainly for Herbert. Yeah.
8Luke Jones 28:56
I mean, I don’t know if I go as far as giving him a pass. I don’t think I’d agree with that. But look, it’s real life, right? I mean, at the end of the day, what’s going on in Southern California right now? I mean, football’s, you know, the rams are playing in Arizona on Monday night, you know, they’re playing that the Monday night game in one of their division rival stadiums, when you think about it in that way. And you know, good on the Cardinals for for opening up the doors to them, to their practice facility and all that. But, yeah, that’s weird. That’s all I you know, I hear you. I hear you. I think the thing for me for the chargers, you know, since you brought it up, and since there’s, I have to,
Nestor Aparicio 29:31
I mean, we’re gonna talk about the charges now, they looked awful. I’m like, you do know everybody in their world, they’ve left wives, ball home and dog, like, evacuated, like, just it really, I think it’s really tough to play football like and especially when they might not have been good enough to begin with, right?
Luke Jones 29:46
Well, and see that’s and that’s the part here where I kind of look at this and say, Well, you know, who’s their offensive coordinator, Greg Roman. What did we always talk about with Greg Roman’s offense when. Got to January didn’t have enough answers. You know, didn’t and I think that, look, the Chargers had a great year. You know, there’s, there’s nothing for them to be ashamed of, while Justin Herbert is not in the same class whatsoever as mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, or even Joe burrow, for that matter, in the AFC. You know, he had a good year. Had a Nightmare Night on Saturday, throwing four picks. But I think the big thing for them is, to me, they’re still, they’re another legitimate, serious, high impact skill player away, maybe two, you know, because I think JK Dobbins had a good year. But is Jk going to be
Nestor Aparicio 30:39
8your belt? He’s not. Derek Henry. Is that where my Derrick Henry jersey, as I’ve said. And look, he’s a one of one, Henry.
Luke Jones 30:44
And look a nod to Dobbins for coming back, you know, off the injury run that he had the last three years, and he had a really good he had a good season for them, and he was their best running back. But, you know, I think they’re still, they’re a high impact skill player or two away from potentially being in that, you know, potentially having the chance to join the top tier in the AFC, but, but, yeah, that game was surprising. You know, Raven Steelers. The outcome wasn’t surprising, but the way that the Steelers looked, I mean, they look like a team that had no, had very little interest in being there. I mean, that was, that’s what was, you know. And I saw a number of people make this comment either Saturday night or Sunday, you know, as we were kind of talking about these other games and waiting for these other games to begin. But I think it was just the eyeball test of what that looked like. You know, there have been lopsided ravens Steelers games before. We’ve seen them. You and I both, you know, you’ve we’ve lived it. We’ve watched it, covered it in both directions, yeah, yeah. But very few games where you would say, Wow, the Ravens needed look like they needed a heart transplant, like the 2007 game. You could say that the Monday night game, but also that team was so injured at that point. I mean, look at who was playing in the secondary at that point in time. But, you know, you you could count on one hand the number of games that were so bad where you said, wow, that’s the kind of game that gets someone fired. That’s how ugly that was. And that was, that was that game on Saturday night, you know? I mean the fact that people are talking about Mike tomlin’s future, you know. And obviously there’s history, you know, in recent January’s for them on top of that. But that was ugly. That was really ugly on their part. And hey, give the Ravens credit. The Ravens were way better than the Steelers on paper. We said that all year. That’s why the losing eight of 10 to the Steelers over the last five years was so perplexing, because on paper, the Ravens have been better than them every year, right? I mean,
Nestor Aparicio 32:49
the world in losing playoff games, right? And and Tom, let’s catching up to him at this point. And thing with Marvin is, I looked at those seven and I’m thinking, they’re only two where they really had the better team, and one of them was when Carson Palmer got his leg broken in the first minute, right? And then, you know, the next time was certainly the vontez Perfect. They could have won, right? So you look at those games and say, Where were they? Embarrassed? Were they? They felt like they went to Houston, lost every year those Bengals teams. And I thought most of those times. I never thought they were they had a minute with Andy Dalton and a minute with Carson Palmer. I look at these Steelers teams, tell me which team was good. Not all. No,
Luke Jones 33:29
I understand. I understand that, but that. But then you, you know, then you start to talk about, like, Okay, well, why aren’t you? Why aren’t you any better? Well, because you’re picking the wrong players. Well, you need to get them right. I mean, and again, I hear the whole, you know, I wholeheartedly agree. And let’s be clear. And I don’t see this as a knock on John Harbaugh, because I, I think very highly of Mike Tomlin. I do, you know, I don’t think he’s beyond reproach, you know, I, you know, the last few weeks, I called him out on some of these white flag punts that he’s had in the fourth quarter, like he did against Philly, did that against the Ravens in week 16. But, you know, I his, his long term success speaks for itself. But what what is happening with Mike Tomlin right now is exactly what we were talking about with John Harbaugh before Lamar Jackson showed up. I mean, the Ravens had missed the playoffs three years in a row. You know, if Lamar doesn’t show up, I’m guessing John Harbaugh is not the head coach in Baltimore right now, right? I because it wasn’t, things weren’t getting any better with Joe Flacco at that point. So even if you went down the road with Joe another year or two, you know, you were kind of in a position of where Pittsburgh is right now that you that you’re never so bad that you’ve got a chance to draft the next Patrick mahomes, but you’re not good enough to really feel like you have a chance to, you know, even if you make the playoffs to make noise, you know, the Ravens were in that purgatory position for you. Know, from most of 2013 through 2018 and if the Ravens didn’t draft Lamar Jackson, I mean, you know, and they would have drafted someone else, but there’s no telling it that it was going to be Lamar Jackson, you know, it might have been, it might have been Daniel Jones, right? It might have been like someone like that. And it doesn’t work out, John Harbaugh probably wouldn’t be the head coach here at this point, and it would have been a would have been a similar story in the way that it was for Andy Reid a decade plus ago in Philly, where you just say, We love you. But it kind of feels like it’s around its course. It feels like both of us could, could benefit from a clean break. And is Pittsburgh getting to that point right now? I mean, maybe, you know, I mean, we’re going to see how it plays out. I mean, but they got to pick better players. They they’ve got to evolve. I my criticism of Mike Tomlin beyond their roster and understanding he has influence would also be the way that they want to play, where they talk about their defense, and the way that they drag the other team down into the into the mud, in the way that they have successfully done it to the ravens, but overall, they haven’t been wildly successful doing that over the last eight years, six years, whatever you want to, you know, whatever timeline you want to use, they’ve got to evolve. They’re still trying to win games like it’s 1999 and that’s where I give the Ravens credit, in the in the recognition that started at the end of the Ozzie Newsome era, and has continued with Eric da Costa as general manager, that they’ve understood that you got to do things differently than you did when Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were on your team. And that was one of my big complaints. How much did you hear me criticize the Ravens roster building post Super Bowl, 47 you know, as much as everyone you know, the lazy narrative was, oh, well, Joe Flacco is making all this money. They made a lot of bad decisions from a philosophical standpoint in terms of how they allocated their resources, where they were trying to keep their defense playing at a high level, which I get, but you can’t do it to the point where your offense is suffering to the degree that it did in those years for the Ravens. So I think Pittsburgh’s going through that right now. You know, they they need more talent. I mean, obviously they need to find a franchise quarterback. That’s, that’s priority number one. But by the
8Nestor Aparicio 37:12
way, you said Daniel Jones, and I didn’t know if you’re pulling it out, because you never just whip anything out. But you know, Dwayne Haskins was one of the other quarterbacks in that draft. And I guess the Ravens not guess I know. I mean, I haven’t talked to Eric in a long time, but I’ve talked to Eric for hundreds of hours of my life, even though he treats me like a stranger at this point, and talking about all of this and evaluating the Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco thing that I wrote about in 2008 back in Purple Rain too, the notion that once the round got through, and they drafted Hayden Hurst, and they thought, Well, are we going to get a guy next year who’s in line next year? Eric, Oh, nobody. And there’s Kyler Murray, who was a one one. And I still like, look at that and see Baker Mayfield is a one. There’s a lot of one ones out there that didn’t make it. And then you have Sam darnold. You see, you know different guys like that. But the notion that they went in on Lamar was to your point, and if you’re writing Purple Rain three, and I’m egging you on that at that moment, on that draft night, they knew they had a lame doc, older quarterback with a big salary that they needed to move on from, they realized, and this is probably bashati Spitting downward, saying we’re not signing Kirk Cousins, we’re not going out and we’re not getting that guy, we’re not getting someone else’s reject. I’m trying to think of other quarterbacks. Nate named a dozen of them. Name any of those guys? You can’t win with Russell Wilson, maybe one of them. Right? We’re not doing that, and Russell Wilson would have been a different story in 2018 2019 but at that moment, there was Lamar versus the field in next year’s draft, versus where they were. And they took a flyer on Lamar, on the last pick of the draft, you know? And obviously it was something they talked about in March and April, sure. And went on. And now it’s their geniuses. And all they were geniuses, they would have took him at 27 you know, if they were geniuses on Ray Lewis, they would have took him instead of Ogden, you know, so Right? I mean, there is a point where revisionist history is like a Rubik’s Cube, a little bit, but they the brilliance in the Lamar thing, as you’ve pointed out, is the death way that they’ve handled allocating resources, offense, defense, analytics that the cost to talk to me about for years. He’s the one that got sigma Dell, and Michael is hired, I swear, ask him about it when you see him out to one of his charity things twice, seriously, like Eric, the cost is analytic studies of the Yankees and the Astros, and reading Astro ball has led to all of this. It really has. I haven’t talked to Eric in three years, but he used to talk to him about it regular. He didn’t talk to anybody. Maybe Garrett downing or Ryan mink can get this out of him at some point. But there is a point for all of this that this. Organization, because it’s one mind. It’s been the same leadership for three decades, much like the Steelers, the Steelers think that they have it figured out, because they never lose, right? They they’re always in the playoffs. They’re always above 500 they’re they don’t have three and fourteens because they’re too smart for that. But they until you figure the quarterback out. You can be smart as you want to be, right? You
Luke Jones 40:23
can, you can have a high floor, but your ceiling is not going to be very high, right? And that’s, that’s where the Steelers are right now. And look there, there’s a luck element to it. I mean, go ask Brian Billick about drafting a quarterback. They drafted Kyle Buller, and it’s why Billick was gone four years later, right?
Nestor Aparicio 40:39
God, the first time they put that kid on a film, and John Harbaugh looked up at him. John’s thinking, no, no, no, he runs in a line, but no, no, no, you don’t throw the ball as well. You know he’s not as accurate. I can hear John making excuses or reasons to say, maybe not now, when it comes longer chat, John would say, now we draft him, who’s our lineman? Who are what will we? Who’s our running like? What if we’re going to have that kind of quarterback? I’ll start to open my mind to the revolution. I’m being John Harbaugh in 2018 when he’s got an old quarterback and no help, and like all the problems that we saw here in 2017 and 18, when they weren’t making the playoffs and they were an also ran team, the notion that we’re just going to take Lamar, one of the reasons no one wanted him two years ago was what you would need to do to completely revamp everything You’re doing to have different kind of offensive lineman, a different kind of running game. I said from the beginning, dude, I don’t want to pat myself on the back too much while I wear a Derrick Henry jersey, but I should get my Mark Ingram Jersey out, because I was a big fan of the Ingram thing in the beginning, because Ingram was a man, and Ingram ran the ball, and Ingram ran the ball better than any of the rest of these guys really ran any the Dobbins, any of the gusses, and I like all of them, but to me, that fat back, that big back thing, I talked about it for years, until they got Derrick Henry, and now I think they can go win a Super Bowl, because they needed to build this differently with Lamar. Because if Lamar gets off the bus Saturday night in Buffalo with J K Dobbins, or even Josh Jake, pick anybody you want. Pick Emmett Smith,
Luke Jones 42:22
8pick they did. They did go through, what, 13 and four last year, but
Nestor Aparicio 42:26
they can’t, but winning these games, see, I if they would have ran the ball more last year in AFC Championship, maybe they would have won, maybe with what they had right it gimpy Lamar
Luke Jones 42:37
just needed, or Lamar just needed to play better, and zay flowers needed to not fumble the ball going over the goal line. I mean, I believe me, I hear and look, you’ve been your opinion and, and let’s be clear. I mean, Derrick Henry wasn’t Justin for set, right? I mean, this is a Hall of Fame running back. So, you know, to sit here and say that the ravens, you know what that Derrick Henry wouldn’t be a great fit in Baltimore was, was never, you know, that was never in question. Um, you know. But it
Nestor Aparicio 43:05
was in question because people thought he didn’t have any tread left too, and they, they wouldn’t have tread this time of year, that if you ran through 1900 yards, he’d be too beaten up. Yeah, that hasn’t happened
8Luke Jones 43:15
here, well, but, but I guess, but I guess the point I was making with that, and again, I’ll, I’ll go back. I haven’t hid from this. I wasn’t the guy that was banging the table for Derek Henry because they’ve had a great running game every year, even with had a really good running game with Latavius Murray and Devonte Freeman, right? I mean, so my thought would always be, allocate your resources elsewhere. You know, Derek Henry’s been phenomenal. I’m not going to sit here and argue say, suggest otherwise. I always thought he would put up big numbers, you know, because Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry said as much himself, go look at Derrick Henry’s yards before contact average this year. It’s a career high. Why do you think that is? It’s not the Ravens historic offensive line. It’s Lamar Jackson, right? So, but, but, you know, I mean, I, I, I don’t think that I will continue to reject strongly that their fatal flaw, and the reason why they lost to the titans in 2019 or their fatal flaw last year, was that they needed to have an 1800 yard back now they, they might win the Super Bowl this year. But I think it’s also simplistic just to always break it down to to one variable. The reason why you lose their multiple things that happen, right? They’ve lost five games with Derrick Henry this year. So you know, that speaks to the point that I was just making that Derek Henry
Nestor Aparicio 44:37
has been bottled up early in games. And when I talk to really smart football people, they’ll say, you can scheme to stop Derrick Henry, but then you bet you your corners better cover and your linebackers better get on Andrews and better get on likely, right? I mean, and
Luke Jones 44:51
that’s really the beauty of this offense, but, but it’s all because of Lamar jacks. I mean, it’s all because of Lamar. Just love. Argue
Nestor Aparicio 45:00
8with you if they win the Super Bowl, because you’ve been so Lamar and I’ve been so Derek and I even last week in a yes, you think it’s all Lamar and I think it’s and we’re both wrong.
Luke Jones 45:12
I mean, let me be No, no, no. If the if the question is, it’s all one or the other, no, that’s that’s not. But if you’re going to ask me, is Lamar Jackson more responsible for Derrick Henry success this year, or is it the other way around? I’m absolutely 1000 times out of 1000 going to tell you that Lamar Jackson is the bigger reason why Derek Henry is a 1900 yard back this year, more so than than Lamar is going to win another MVP because Derek, because, because Lamar won two Mbps without Derek, Henry, right? So, you know the point and again, you know, I don’t
Nestor Aparicio 45:50
want to, I thought these on the team Sunday night, getting like that more than any other thing you’ve ever said here the Tavis. I mean, that’s when you start to, you know, really point out the other options out there. And,
Luke Jones 46:04
you know, even the point, but they still had a number one running rushing attack. Well,
8Nestor Aparicio 46:08
Moses aren’t here, you know, like it has been different. And you know, Ronnie Stanley, you know, costing 30 yards on on Saturday night, that didn’t matter. But the running game and this punch and these two guys, if they win the Super Bowl, I will not be shocked, and I’m not going to be the guy betting against them, but I also really see what buffalo represents at home. I see But Kansas City represents at home, and if they win the Super Bowl, they will be an all timer, despite their five losses, despite the ugliness of the Raven raiders and browns losses and the Steelers loss, which doesn’t look good, because Steelers, to me, looks like a five win team the last five weeks, right? They look like if the season started again tomorrow, and they had to play 17 fresh weeks, they’d be five and 12.
Luke Jones 46:54
I mean, they Yeah, because they were a team looking like they needed a heart transplant. But you know what you just said? I mean, the 2000 team went five straight games without scoring a touchdown, right? The 2012 team lost for their last five games. And we all remember Joe Flacco planking against Denver in Baltimore.
Nestor Aparicio 47:11
This team hasn’t had any sort of ignominy other than losing the Philadelphia, huh? They might get a chance to avenge
Luke Jones 47:18
8in three weeks, well, and that’s, you know, part of what, and this is where we kind of go back to, you know, laying out the reasons why the Ravens have such a great chance to do this despite being on the road the next two weeks again, making the assumption that Kansas City wins. They might not, who knows, but not going to sit here and hold my breath that the Texans are going to beat them. But you know, the reason why they have a chance to go to Buffalo and win that game and go to Kansas City and win that game and go to the Super Bowl and win that game is not just because they have Lamar Jackson, which is a massive part of it, not just because they have Derek Henry, which is a massive part of it, not just because they have seven other Pro Bowl players, which is a massive part of it, and not just because they have Todd monkin as their offense coordinator, who has been outstanding, not just because they have a Super Bowl winning coach. Seems really healthy. I mean, zay flowers right now, and that one hurts, don’t get me wrong. But how many times, even last year and they were healthy last year, but at this time last year, they had a mark Andrews that was trying to get back playing on one leg. They had already lost Keaton Mitchell for the year. You know, they had lost some other players here and there. You know, they had some other guys that were, you know, Marlon Humphrey was banged up most of the year. Marcus Williams was banged up. And Marcus Williams was still when he was on the field, still playing at a higher level at that point, not the guy that’s inactive every week now, you know, and that was a really healthy team, but they had their injuries. That’s where, like, as much as the timing stinks with this zay flowers thing, and you know, we’ll see if he plays on Sunday night. You know, you can’t sit here and complain about the Ravens injury fortune, because it’s been, it’s, it’s been exceptional. And by the way, they’ve invested a lot of resources into sports science and recovery and their training staff. And we know about how they fired Steve Saunders, and we remember the NFL pa report card a couple years ago. They reacted to that, and I commend them for that, because there are lots of organizations in this, in the NFL, lots of billionaires who try to get cheap with stuff like that, which is crazy, because, one, it’s not that insanely expensive, but you just need to hire the right people and understand nutrition matters. Strength training matters. Our training staffs matter. Our resources for players with rest and recovery matter, but and there’s no salary cap for those things. You know, you can, you can invest as much as you want into those things. The Ravens have absolutely committed, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the last couple years they’ve been able to stay healthy. Now, there is luck involved in that. I don’t care how great you are with those things, if you’re a star quarter. Has his left tackle roll into his knee in the way that James Hearst did to Joe Flacco 10 years ago. It’s going to tear his ACL, right? I mean, I guess, unless you’re Patrick mahomes, who looks like Gumby the way he gets rolled up and then he’s fine a week later. But, you know, there’s luck involved. But this team’s, you know, their health is such a huge part of what they’ve done. Go look at the Ravens week one roster. Normally you look at the week one roster when you get to this point in the year where you know whether you’re talking week 18 or the playoffs, and it looks different. You say, Man, I missed that guy, that guy and that guy, and it’d be great to have that guy and all that. That’s our top backup defensive back. Oh, we’d love to have, you know, they haven’t had Arthur MILLETTE. Okay, I’ll give you that one. But you look at their week one roster, it’s basically the same, other than, hey, Keith Mitchell’s back, you know, even though they’re not doing a whole lot with him, other than just as a kick returner. So that’s almost impossible to do, right? And that and and that right there, you know, despite the fact that they have to go on the road this week and presumably next week. That’s where you look at this and say, Man, that’s where you really want to take advantage. Because you don’t know if you’re going to have an offensive line that all five guys started the entire year the way that they did this year. And you don’t know if you know, you know they’ve already lived two years where Lamar didn’t stay healthy late in the year, and you know, 2021 when their defense was completely ravaged by injuries, you know that stuff can happen, and stuff will happen, right? I mean, they’re not going to have healthy you’re not going to be on this team next year, other than maybe Derrick Henry, right? I mean, like, I mean, I think Derek Henry will be. I mean, the question for one, he’s on, he’s under contract, you know, the question is going to be, do they try to work that deal to add another year or two on to it to make it a little better. But I’m glad I bought the jersey. It gives me another year to wear. I mean, I mean, how could you not look even though, you know, I was someone that was a little more Luke, you know, I never hated the move, let’s be clear. And you know, I never sat there and said, I don’t like this move. Well, you’re thinking of the money. That sounds more like, hey, what does this mean for your own line? What does this mean for getting a pass rusher, things like that, you know, allocation of resources, unlike the Imperials, who can spend
Nestor Aparicio 52:05
whatever they want on relief pitching into Sure, maybe, maybe they will. Maybe they won’t, right.
Luke Jones 52:09
We’ll get, well, we’ll get to Andrew kittridge, but, but, you know, you that’s where this feels like such a even though they’re on the road, and even though buffalo is really good, and even though Kansas City is the, you know, the chiefs of the chiefs as healthy as they are, as complete as their roster is, right now, man, it’s another one of those like last year. This isn’t Do or die, right? Lamar is healthy enough and young enough and great enough to assume they’ll have more shots at this. But when you look at the collective how healthy this team is, how complete this roster is, safe for a couple positions here and there. I mean, this is a great opportunity, it really is, and you don’t want to pass, you don’t want to squander too many of those, because you know you’re going to have some years like 21 where everyone got hurt, including Lamar, at the end of the year. So man, it’s just, it’s sitting right there. Even going on the road with this offense, I’ll go on the road against anyone and like my chances, so we’ll see how it plays out on Sunday night. But man, it’s, uh, it’s a pretty special group, and they’ve got a chance, from a narrative standpoint, to really do something really special here these next few weeks,
Nestor Aparicio 53:20
one point dog on Sunday night, the last game in a four game weekend for the NFL divisional play. By the way, snow in the forecast in Buffalo Sunday. I just checked it out middle of the day, one to two inches. It’s early in the week. It’s lake effect. It’s probably going to snow at some point on Saturday or Sunday in Buffalo. We’ll see how it goes. We’re going up to the game. Bundle up, Luke and I will be here all week. We’re going to get some baseball in a year. I’m going to be back and forth to Buffalo all week with all sorts of guests lined up. Vicarucci is coming on, just all the buffalo mafia is coming on. All the bills mafia will be here this week as well. Some NFL Hall of Fame voters as well. So a great week of radio, a great week out of Baltimore, positive. It’s almost old school, nasty Nestor getting a lot of sports this week, despite the fact that there’s a political event happening by the end of the week here as well, that I’m hoping to ignore and stay focused. Stick into sports. That’s we do stick to sports. He’s Luke. I’m Nestor. We’ll get the crab cake tour back out on the road. Brought to you by the Maryland lottery. We have couple Super Bowl coming up as well. It’s just a huge week here. It’s Lamar and King Henry. We’re W, N, S, D, A of 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We never stop talking Baltimore. Positive. You.
