Our favorite reformed baseball writer and historian Tim Wendel has moved on to a life as a professor at Johns Hopkins and author of novels. He’ll be back in Baltimore on Saturday signing his most recent book, “Rebel Falls,” and joins Nestor here to discuss the book’s historical context, including a Confederate plot to seize a Union warship and bombard northern cities. They also delve into the state of the Baltimore Orioles, expressing concerns about the team’s payroll, involvement in free agency and the kinds of fan engagement that will grow the franchise into a mid-market brand.
Nestor Aparicio and Tim Wendel discuss Wendel’s new book, “Rebel Falls,” which is not about baseball but the Civil War. Wendel, a former baseball writer, now a professor at Johns Hopkins, talks about the book’s historical context, including a Confederate plot to seize a Union warship and bombard northern cities. They also delve into the state of the Baltimore Orioles, expressing concerns about the team’s payroll, free agent signings, and fan engagement. Wendel emphasizes the need for a coherent strategy and transparency from the new ownership to rebuild trust and attract fans.
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Orioles free agents, Civil War history, Tim Wendel, Johns Hopkins, Rebel Falls, baseball book, Baltimore tour, holiday season, Maryland crab cakes, Ravens payroll, empty seats, trust issues, fan engagement, baseball strategy, new ownership
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Tim Wendel, Nestor Aparicio
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Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T am 1570 Towson, Baltimore and Baltimore, positive. We’re not just going to talk about football this week, or Justin Tucker Missy kicks, or whether the ravens are going to get themselves righted, or even whether the Orioles are going to sign some free agents for all this is over with. It is the holiday season. We’re taking the Maryland crab cake tour, back out on the road. Many, many times. We’re going to be Cocos as well as a Gertrude over to BMA. We’re getting artistic this week with Dan Rodricks having a little we’re going to we’re going to bring a man to culture. I think this week over to BMA. We’re also going to be next week at Faith. These analytics market on the 12th all they’re brought to you by our friends at the Maryland lottery. I will have Raven scratch offs to give away. This has been a lucky batch, luckier than the Ravens were against the Eagles last week, for sure. Also our friends at Jiffy Lube, multi care, powering us up. We’ve also got 26 oysters in 26 days for our 26th anniversary around here. All of that powered up by curio wellness and foreign daughter, as well as our friends at Liberty, pure solutions. One 800 clean water. They keep my water clean as well as give me clean water, and I have dirty well water that they somehow sanitize and make nice. This guy’s an old friend. I love having authors on and professors and residents on, especially when they’re Johns Hopkins. But word came to me out on the socials that Tim Wendell was coming back. Hey, as we would say here, that’s Tim Kirch, and not Tim Wendell. That’s the other baseball writer, but he’s coming on this week to autograph his book for the holidays and sell it off. And it’s not even like Castro or Cuba or the Detroit Tigers or anything World Series readings or any of that. I always think of you as Tim Wendell, baseball writer, and I that that’s, that’s a badge. Always
01:45
will be, oh,
Nestor Aparicio 01:46
we, you know, we talk about Ken rose with all these people that the lifers, Buster, the lifers, you got all grown up, and you went out and you found culture and education, and you, you, how long has it been since you were, quote, unquote, a baseball writer, Tim, oh, my,
Tim Wendel 02:01
8it’s gotta be 10 years, 810, years, something like that. You identify
Nestor Aparicio 02:06
as that for the first 50 years of your life. 45 like literally. What do I do? Baseball? Writer, oh, sure,
Tim Wendel 02:12
since, since doing it in the Bay Area, being the Swing Man between the a’s and the giants that happened? What? 8687 and then pretty much one of my it’s funny because I was just out of Miami for the Miami Book Fair for rebel falls, and I ran into a couple of our old compadres at baseball weekly, uh, Dana Weiss and etcetera has been living down there. She’s got the most interesting pivot. She’s gone from baseball. She’s now works. She heads up her family’s jewelry shop and everything, and does all this stuff. But anyway, well, I’m still
Nestor Aparicio 02:47
friends with Pete Williams and and there, yeah, all of you guys in that era, the baseball writers, like, it’s all we did. It’s all we lived. You had to sort of live it, know it to be that good at it. And all these years later in life, my old friends are all when I go to Tampa, hang up,
8Tim Wendel 03:05
right? That’s right. And we were all at baseball weekly. And then that’s where Dana and Pete, you know? I was just talking to Paul White, who is our editor for so many years, Buffalo. He
Nestor Aparicio 03:15
gets some place where they got better weather than I saw on Sunday night. No,
Tim Wendel 03:17
actually, he was at the game last night. So I was talking to him from the game. Yeah, he went and that game, the 40 Niner game he picked out, like three months ago. He said, I think it’s going to be a really interesting game, and it might just snow. No, he lives in Orchard Park. He walked to the stadium last night. So I
Nestor Aparicio 03:37
8gotta get his I gotta get him. So this is what the old baseball heads all of and I don’t know what he’s doing with his life, but like all of us who did that, had you do something else, yeah, circus kind of be like a real author,
Tim Wendel 03:52
yeah? Why not? And, well, I don’t know how real I am, but the new book’s called Rebel falls. I’ll be up in Baltimore this Saturday, four o’clock at the Barnes and Noble at Homewood. Homewood campus on St Paul, and it’ll be great to be back up on campus. You know, I was on Saturday
Nestor Aparicio 04:07
afternoon. I’m looking at Moscow. It’s by week around here. We don’t have that, you know, we don’t have these things going on. You know, I might be in New Jersey with the smithereens, but if I’m not, there’s a ramen joint over there. I’ve been dying to check out, so especially on a cold winter’s day, tell us about rebel Fauci, because we’re gonna talk baseball. Tim wendels here. He long time USA baseball reporter writer. He is a professor in residence, which is a hot shot title over Johns Hopkins as well. But you’re like going to be right on the Hopkins campus here this Saturday, talking about a book. It’s not like, not a baseball book.
Tim Wendel 04:40
No, there’s one baseball scene in it, and it’s kind of become a joke everything. Now I work a baseball scene into it, but rebel falls. Let’s go back. And we had fun with this in Miami just last weekend. If you think of the Civil War, Civil War is all the way we were graded in school. It’s all dates and generals, and it’s Gettysburg and Vicksburg and all those burgers. Yes, and don’t forget Antietam, because I’m in Maryland, Antietam. Antietam is great. And what people don’t realize is that, especially as the war was winding down, rebel Falls is set late in late summer. Opens, late summer, 1864 oh, what’s the big deal? Big deal was the Confederates had spies all along our border with Northern Canada, and our northern border with Canada extended from the Maritime Provinces all the way to Windsor, the other side of Detroit. Okay, what’s the big deal? One of their schemes was to seize the only remaining union warship on the Great Lakes at that point, called the USS, Michigan. At that point, it was docked off Sandusky, Ohio and Lake Erie, and their goal was not only to seize it, but and this is all true, to bombard Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo Erie on the eve of the presidential election. If that happens, Lincoln loses. And it’s interesting because you even spin out John Wilkes Booth, of course, assassinates Lincoln. He was, he was very much involved in this. In fact, when they apprehended him and shot him in Port Royal Virginia, 12 days after assassinating Lincoln, they started emptying his pockets. Nestor, okay, they find, you know, some coins. They find a pocket knife. They find a diary where he’s saying he was, thought he was going to be Herald as some conquering hero once he got south of the Mason Dixon Line. That then had happened. But the other thing they pulled out that blew their minds was they found a bank note for significant amount of change through a bank in Montreal. They were funneling the money laundering it from Richmond up through Canada, and they, in a sense, hatch that plot to assassinate Lincoln, first to kidnap and then to assassinate him through Canada. And so a part of me goes, I grew up in their Niagara Falls, so I start going, and I heard about this just briefly. It’s endorsed Kern Goodwin’s Team of Rivals, a little mention, or Carl Sandburg Lincoln, and these guys who were part of the they called it the Northwest conspiracy, the Confederate mercy and and it was like I had to know more, and the more I found out, I’m going. This happened right in my old backyard. This happened where it was snowing just last night for the football game, and so it teased out and end up becoming a lot of fun. And it kind of overlooks, I think it looks at two things overlooked in our appreciation or remembrance of the Civil War. Number one is the war was on all fronts, including up in British Canada, at least a spy war. And the other one was the role of women was overlooked. My heroine’s a woman, and she kind of gets brought into the union side to help their spy operation. And she’s somewhat based on a woman. My character is made up, but she’s a composite. And she’s somewhat based on a woman named Sarah Edmonds, who is one of hundreds of women on both sides of the Civil War who dressed up as men, disguised themselves as men and fought, you know, literally down in the trenches. And this woman, Sarah Edmonds, like she she deserted, and we figure out now is because she probably had PDSD, and 20 years later, she’s back in Michigan. She goes, Man, I’m going broke. I could use that military pension. And she went back to court and actually outed herself somewhat to the guy she was with and her regiment and got her pension. And you’ve got all cases of this. So as you can tell, I got caught up with it, and the fact I was able to write about it at Niagara Falls my old stomping grounds is a lot of fun. Well,
8Nestor Aparicio 08:36
you’ll be in this week’s sign in the book, and for anybody knows Tim or has read any of his baseball true stories or novels. The fact that you’re a writer, and I think of myself as a writer first. I mean, I’ve, since last time we got together, there’s been a documentary came out about my newspaper background, and like, all I ever really wanted to do was be a columnist, right? Like to be the sport to be John Steadman, you know, and he’s in the documentary, makes it look a little cameo, but, you know, I didn’t think of a life beyond that. And then I found myself in radio, and people think of me as a radio person. I think of myself more as a journalist, but I and I think I’ve told you this, I’ve never written anything fictional in my life, in my whole I’m 56, years old. I have never I’ve never written a poem. I’ve never like literally, I’ve written books tombs and tombs and tombs and stuff in letters. I give good letter. I’m a man of letters. Not different. It’s not that different, dreaming up this thing that didn’t happen, or thing that might have happened. Like, I always think to myself, I would have been a terrible songwriter. There’s things I can, you know, like, I think I could play the guitar, but I don’t think I could play the piano. There’s certain things that I don’t think I could be good at writing fiction would be one of those things that feels very far fetched to me, because, like, once you write. About something that’s true. It’s what you’ve been writing the whole time. Your fascination with a fiction. I mean writing it goes without saying. You’re a professor, you’re you’re you’re more than a baseball writer, Tim but, but picking a book to write about and picking a civil war theme and All That Is this your lane. Are you a civil war buffer? Like, because I would think if I ever do write anything a bit fictional about a rock star or something, it would be about music or some other place where my mind or my body or my heart has been. None of us were in the Civil War. All of that, to me, is very dreamy, and PBS and black and white in the way I think of it,
Tim Wendel 10:37
right, right? Maybe I think black and white, but I think a lot of it is, there’s a great novelist in DC, a friend of mine, Tom Malin, and he talks about the burden of truth and fiction, especially as historical fiction, and you’ve got to do the research. I mean, the guys that are, you know, I talked about the one made up character. Everybody else, practically in this book, is real life based on a real life character. And and Tom has, you know, Tom has a philosophy. You do the research and you let the research take you in a sense, where the story is, and it just gives it some real like strength and goodness. And it’s funny, because I just came back from Ireland, and I was on this kind of very strange it was fun. You ever hear of a guy named Larry Kerwin? He was head of black 47 they were they were in Letterman several times, and kind of an Irish punk band. And he now leads tours of Ireland. And he’s written several books, including novels too. And he is a songwriter. I would urge folks to check him out. And some of his stuff is really pretty cool. They’re black. 47 disbanded about 10 years ago, but he’s still playing at times. And we got talking about writing and how, in a sense, fiction and non fiction, the line isn’t that big. You know, you’re going where the truth is leading you, and the truth can be just an essence. What is the era, what’s the world, what’s the philosophy? And one of the things I’m hitting kind of hard in Rebel falls, and it’s probably because I’ve been living the last seven years in Charlottesville, most of the time is just this ongoing fascination or sickness we have with the lost cause. And how, in a sense, you know, the the south may have lost the war in the battles, but in terms of carrying the philosophy, or what edict went forward, they won. And I think some of the things, it’s just remarkable, because you can see history everywhere. One of the things I’m watching kind of closely now is a couple months ago they started to tear down there’s been for more than 100 years memorial to the Confederates at Arlington Cemetery. To me, that just sounds bananas, and they started to finally tear it down. Now, with changes in our political scheme, I’m kind of wondering, is that going to continue to be torn down? And I think sometimes we we, we think of history as everything’s set in on stone tablets or something. This is the way it is. Learn the dates, you know, pass the test. But history is ongoing, and history is very fluid. And if anything, history and how it’s remembered, what our narrative is is very up for grabs right now, well,
Nestor Aparicio 13:24
and being written by winners, yes. But
Tim Wendel 13:28
8in the case of the Civil War, you flip it around, the history has been written by the losers, and that’s very interesting. Tim,
Nestor Aparicio 13:37
what if the south won the war? No, not
Tim Wendel 13:40
at all. It’s like how close they actually did in real events to creating an incident that maybe costs, or probably cost Lincoln reelection, and if they had seized this warship, which is all true, they potentially bring England into the war. What people don’t realize is our Civil War was very close to becoming the first World War. England’s watching this whole thing. France watches watching it all. And if they were looking for any type of excuse to come in and say, maybe recognize the Confederacy, maybe take some land from Canada, Canada, at that point, was all matter of just provinces. So it’s that’s one of the things that blew my mind too. There’s a great book out. It’s kind of thick and a little bit dense, but it’s called a world on fire. And it’s really about how close Britain came to coming into our civil war. And if that had happened, everything was their interest. Interest was pretty much pragmatic. It’s like anything typical British thing. Their textile industry was hurting because of cotton in the South had been cut off by our blockade. You know, Britain, Britain’s Britain. And maybe I’m just saying that after coming back from Ireland, they’re always looking out for themselves and what kind of economic gain they can get.
Nestor Aparicio 14:55
Tim Wendell is here. He is hoping to gain economically. Selling you some books for the
8Tim Wendel 15:01
holidays, looking to see some friends. It’ll be good. Yeah,
Nestor Aparicio 15:04
tell me what you’re doing again this week so we can invite everybody out, because it did get get you back in here. And we’re going to get to some baseball with you know, there you’re a baseball sage, as much as you’ll sit here talking about Civil War stuff. You’ve forgotten a lot about baseball that it did that I will re remember once we get into it, but you are, you’re, you’re still with Johns Hopkins, and you’re really right off campus. You’re signing the book, right?
Tim Wendel 15:26
Yeah, yeah. I’ll be right at the Barnes and Noble right off campus on Saturday at four o’clock, and please come back. I’ll be there a little bit early, and just be good to see people I you know, one of the things I regret a little bit about being down in Charlottesville, it’s a little bit farther to get up there to the beautiful Baltimore City,
Nestor Aparicio 15:42
8Charlottesville. I know they don’t. If they do, I wouldn’t trust it anyway. Well, actually, I
Tim Wendel 15:47
had some the other night. They weren’t bad. Well, you must get a grandmother’s recipe.
Nestor Aparicio 15:50
Jim has written a book called Rebel falls. It has nothing to do with baseball, but there’s a baseball piece in there. Somehow, some way, in the 1860s after double day, appears in a fever dream, alright? Man, yeah, I think I had you on in May. I went back when your book came out. I think it was May, and it’s now the holidays, and everybody should go by for holidays, and if nothing else, come by and bring you some eggnog on Saturday. Where are you with the Oriole thing? And where they are right now, and I am watching this, and we could talk on the field, rushman and pitching, and I’m about payroll, and I’m about 10,000 empty seats at a playoff game with tickets for 10 bucks. I met Mr. Rubenstein for the first time about five that for the election. So about five weeks ago, out of Beth to Philo, he gave a speech, and I went up to him, and I, you know, he didn’t care about me, you know, like I whatever I mentioned, my access to who I was in Louis Aparicio, whatever, but I said to him, and if I never speak to him again, I said, you know, there’s been a lot of trauma here, and I want you to know that, like, there’s been a lot of trauma here, and that’s what the 10,000 empty seats out in left field are in trying to rebuild something here that I know you being upstate in Rochester, and, you know, Cal Ripken back in the in the late 70s and early 80s coming up, and Eddie Murray kind of skipped that place. But just in a general sense, from the baseball heartbeat of all of this, that the Baltimore Orioles couldn’t sell out a home playoff game in October, when they’ve only had a handful of them in this century, at 15 bucks, not at 150 but not crazy. Tim, I was here for it. I was kind of shocked. I mean, like I was shocked too. It worries me for all of it, and that’s where I come from, a good place. I come from a place where I don’t like 20,000 Eagles fans in our stadium. I don’t like empty seats at our base. I like a vibrant that’s at the heart of all of this. I want it to be vibrant. Doesn’t feel vibrant to me right now, and I live here. Well, I
Tim Wendel 17:48
think what you’re touching on is maybe one of the biggest things is tough to bring back, and that’s trust. And I think in this day and age, trust is like Quicksilver, and I think if anything, it’s been accented by the money, because the other thing, you know, Nestor, you touched on two things that are very difficult to do in an off season. Number one, generate trust, and, you know, win back, you know, your fan base. The other one is free agent wise. I’m, you know, again, I’m, I’m from afar. I don’t cover this any that much anymore, but free agent wise, I think they’re in trouble. And I’m just kind of going, who’s pitching for these guys, who’s playing, especially if they lose some more of these guys. And so it’s funny, because I was thinking, you know, when they lost the playoffs, and I was watching some of that, and they reminded me. And this is going to sound ludicrous, I think, in some ways. But this is me dating myself, but they reminded me a little bit of when I was full bore, fresh on the baseball beat, and they were reminding me of the old Toronto Blue Jays. Now, why were they reminding me of that? Because the Blue Jays went through some real problems, you know, in the playoffs, you know, they couldn’t seem to get to the World Series. Granted, they were winning more playoff games than the Orioles are right now. But if anything, there was a huge uproar in Toronto, and I was covering the American League at that point, to break up this team, this team’s a disaster. It can’t win. We’ve got to do something else. And one of the guys I really respect in the game, and I’ve talked to him on multiple levels, is Pat Gillick. I’ve not only talked to him about being GM of the Blue Jays, but as you well know, I did another book called high heat, and one of the big stars on that is Steve delkowski, who should have come to the Orioles, should have been Earl Weaver’s first big closer, and Gillick was his roommate, and minor league ball had just some amazing stories about him. But one of the things, going back to Gillick, the GM, that I give him credit for, is he kept it together, you know, he kept that blue jay team together, and he kind of put off the criticism. Now, you could say it’s easier then, you know, we don’t have like the Dodgers of the world with seeming. Really empty, you know, unlimited, unlimited resources. And maybe it was easier for Gillick to keep that team together as opposed to breaking it up. But because he kept them together, they they went, they went in 92 and 93 you know, first team came on
8Nestor Aparicio 20:14
in 89 and that was Dave, Steve and Floyd Mosby. And they, they were they weren’t winning. They were losing playoff series to the A’s, primarily right
Tim Wendel 20:23
to the A’s, and pretty much Gillick kept that team together and then added these really cool pieces, you know, here comes Paul molder, here comes Ricky Henderson, here comes Dave Winfield, you know, kind of those rental players. Joe Carter, yeah. Joe Carter, yeah. Joe Carter, they traded for him. He stuck around and won him That One series. So anyway, I may be reaching, but the Orioles, when they lost, and everybody was bummed out, um, they reminded me of, say, the Blue Jays and 9091, maybe something like that, when you said the when you write, the A’s were beating them up. But good. So well, they had
Nestor Aparicio 21:01
this young core, and they haven’t had to pay anybody, right? And they got burns on this rental, and they had so much Ortiz to give away to get that kind of a picture to rent him. And then it doesn’t work out, you don’t hit the ball. But the new ownership and Peter being dead and gone, and I just want to Tim Wendell is my guest here long time. I want to say this with Luke and I Luke and I got into like, a fight on the air two weeks ago. He got mad at me because I said, Dude, you have Stockholm Syndrome about this. And he got pissed at me, and we went back and forth. And I’ve actually had a couple listeners say you made me uncomfortable the two of you because of your relationship, but, and it was like, full on, Luke was pissed at me, and I said, No, I don’t think you’re hearing me right, like I think you are of the mindset that we’re poor, we’re broke, we’re small market, we have no money, we’re barely going to be able to keep Henderson. We’re we’re small market, small market, you know, like you’re part of the battered fan base of the last 30 years. I’m part of Peter inherited right the top payroll. And let’s go get Palmeiro. Let’s go get key. Let’s go get Alomar. Let’s keep Ripken. Let’s sign Messina. Let’s keep our guys like and Gillick was running that operation here. Sure, the top five payroll. Now, I’m not unrealistic about what the Washington baseball situation represents financially, our fortune 500 but I’m also not dumb about what a 74 year old guy who knows nothing about he knows nothing about baseball Tim like, See, I don’t really know him, admitted that no like, up on stage, and I know one of the reasons they’ll never let me near him, because he has no baseball equity. You know what I mean, like at all. And he said on stage. He attended 38 Oriole games last year. He said that’s 38 more games than he’s been to in the last 50 years.
Tim Wendel 22:48
8But the question is, are the people around him solid enough? Well,
Nestor Aparicio 22:53
that’s I, don’t I. I know the guy that introduced himself as the PR guy came up to me and admitted to me five minutes in, when his eyes went back like this, and I’m talking ball, and I looked at him, I’m like, You don’t know anything about baseball. Dude. He’s like, No. And I’m like, well, that’s not an embarrassment, but it’s an admission. And to me, this guy wants to be hero. I remember that well, when Peter bought the team, they all want to be heroes, right? This is different than I’m putting 40 million up and buying a team for 150 million and it’s coming with $45 million in cash. And like all of that, this is 1,000,000,008 this comes with $600 million to fix up the stadium. So he it’s really discounted. I’ve had, you know, I had Kurt on a couple weeks ago, battenhausen talking about it being a depressed sale price. So I get all of that, and I get the exit strategy. We’re going to sell it for 4 billion, and we’re going to win championships. We’re all going to be hero. I get all of that right and but if you’re thinking about Bucha and Brooks Robinson and Jim Palmer, and you haven’t been attuned to how effed up this has been, and you haven’t talked to anybody in town about how many businesses are dead and gone, buried, never to come, but crown gasoline is never gonna be a sponsor again, right? Sure, so. But where the business is, where the level of use mentioned, trust in all of that. And I think to myself, what’s your play here? And when I sat in that auditorium, beautiful synagogue over Beth the fellow, he said, Well, you know, the general way we do it in the baseball business is, whatever we make, we spend. And I’m thinking, Well, that won’t be good enough here, you know, I mean, like, like, literally, if the 10,000 empty seats are where you are, and this massive thing you have, and the financial piece of whatever sky boxes you have sold, whatever 10 cent packages you have with season ticket holders that came from nothingness, from 114 losses, like to where they are now. And this Birdland membership, they offended everybody. Tim, they sent out a Birdland membership renewal in August that raised all the prices, lowered all the benefits in the middle of the pennant race, and then they went on to not play good baseball for two. Months, right? I don’t know who the grown ups are over there, but they ain’t from around here. Tim, I mean, Katie Griggs, there’s no one involved. I looked her up on LinkedIn. We had two mutual friends that have 20,000 people in Baltimore that I’m linked with. She’s linked to two. She doesn’t know anybody here, and I’m concerned about where their payroll and their expectations are other than be heroes and we can win and all of that. But like, I want to see a strategy in a way that there was never a strategy, or for three decades all that lost trust you talked about, the first thing they need to do is come in and be even if they’re lying about being transparent, lie and be transparent. Show me something. Show me. Show me something that shows me, Peter’s dead, you’re alive, and you’re here, and you’re going to do it differently. You’re going to need to do it differently, including taking my press pay the stupid stuff that they’ve already done that is said to me like, doesn’t feel like they’re running it differently. It feels like they’re going to run it sort of on the cheap, because they they have no way to run it financially off of optimism that they’re going to sell a lot of tickets for a lot of money, because I live here, and I know better, and I’m worried about that part of it, that they’re already Stockholm Syndrome. We’re poor, we’re small market. Sorry, this is what.
Tim Wendel 26:16
That’s not going to cut it in this day and age, because, you will, and I know, I mean, you don’t have to spend, I don’t know, like drunken sailors or something, but the world’s different. It’s, you know, the Dodgers. I keep coming back to them. I’m looking at their payroll and how they just kind of regenerate it, and how every new hot shot from Japan seems to want to go there, and they’re and they have company. You know, the Yankees are going to keep spending. Looks like they’re going to gear up if Washington ever gets its act together. God forbid, for the Orioles, if the Nationals ever got sold to somebody else, look out. I think Mike Rizzo is chomping at the bit to spend more money and get more more free agents. And it’s going to be interesting. I think Nestor, you know, the dynamic you just set up there, which I didn’t know as well as you just rolled out, is alarming. And I think in some ways, Oriole fans, backers can watch what’s going to happen with the Juan Soto sweepstakes, not the not be in on that. That’s what I’m thinking.
Nestor Aparicio 27:20
As in the industry, they’re, they’re the worst they spent. They have no investment at all. And the notion, well, we need to save money to pay gunner Henderson, gunners, they might just decide you don’t want to be here. I’m not keeping my money waiting for him. At
8Tim Wendel 27:35
least they should be involved, you know, at least, you know, I guess they were sniffing around for Blake Snell. Okay, that’s kind of cool, but at least they should be. I don’t expect them to get one Soto, but in a sense, they should be at least involved, because that kind of shows they’re serious and they realize the dynamics of today’s marketplace. You can’t, you know, the scenario you’re painting is reminding me of what the Minnesota Twins became like in the 90s, you know, almost like, please. We’re just gonna be poor, poor, poor, and we’re gonna be a, you know, a candidate for contraction type of thing. And there’s a lot of weird things going. I was talking to some good friends of mine down in Tampa Bay. We’re talking Tampa Bay earlier.
Nestor Aparicio 28:17
They’re gonna play in a minor league ballpark, yeah, but screams, were minor league like playing in San Juan brother, right?
Tim Wendel 28:23
And the thing is, I don’t think that ownership is sharp, and they’re not going to put up with that for the too long. At some point, the rays are going to become kind of this weird team, maybe looking for a home, and maybe it’s up in Montreal, who God knows where it is. But, you know, there’s a lot of things in play, and I don’t think you can kind of sit back and say, yeah, we’ve got to count our nickels and be frugal and all that. I think at least in some ways. And one Soto may be a great example. At least, you’ve got to be at least front and center on it. Tim Wendell
Nestor Aparicio 28:57
8is here. He loves baseball. He loves writing. He is the author of all authors writing rebel falls. He’s signing his book this week over at Barnes and Noble and Homewood on Saturday. You can follow his work. Tim Wendell, W, E N, D, E L. FOLLOW Him and find Him. Writer in Residence at Johns Hopkins and baseball aficionado. Last thing on the baseball thing, and I’ll hang it up on this.
Tim Wendel 29:20
I’m learning a lot, and I think again, I’m apprehensive. Baltimore, the Orioles, cannot play it this way. You know, they have to do something different. And I’m not saying they that gotta become the Dodgers of the east or take on the Yankees when it comes to spending but at least they’ve gotta wake up. I’m sorry I interrupted you.
Nestor Aparicio 29:38
Well, the rushman thing is disconcerting. The gunner Henderson having Boris thing, and how much money it will cost whenever he’s 50, $60 million what difference does it make if you’re a billionaire and you come in and be Mr. Big pockets and buy everybody beer the opening day and act like you’re the Savior, put yourself in all the commercials with Ripken and do and you don’t even know anything about baseball, and you’re gonna say, Well, Mike. Lyas told me this, and Katie told me that’s not going to be good enough here. And I know you’re 74 and you’re bored, you’re a billionaire, like, whatever, but like, this has been so poorly run for so long. So obviously, I mean, last summer, they banned their broadcaster. Like, you know what I mean? Like this happened last year. Like this is not and the fact that they let Greg Bader and TJ Brightman run the place this summer and be the first line of information to them is insanity, and now they’ve had 10,000 empty seats in the outfield. And I don’t even know that they’re pissed about it. I’m pissed about it, and I don’t even think like you think, which is, if Washington ever got up and started to run a little bit, they would lose buoy in Columbia. You know what I mean? Because there’s no reason to be an Oriole fan unless you were an Oriole fan, and now that you are an Orio fan, what’s it going to cost me? And this is where the the digital and the television and the revenue line is, and I don’t bring Curt schillings name up too much for obvious reasons, but Kurt married my best friend growing up, and I’ve had a lifetime of baseball conversations with Kurt, Kurtz, knucklehead, about a lot of things, but about baseball when he was he knows baseball when he was the team rep, back in your era, in the early 90s, Kurt and I talked a lot of baseball, and he and this is during the strike, right? This is Lords of the Realm. All of that 30 years ago, he would always say, they’re millionaires. They own baseball teams. They have the money. They have the money. They have the money. And at various points, whether it was Detroit Tigers spending a lot of money, or the San Diego Padres in recent days spending more money, or the San Diego Padres having a fire sale in the middle of Tony Gwynn, or the Marlins bilking all of South Florida so many times that even my buddy, who lives in Weston, who’s got plenty of money and could buy plenty of Marlin tickets, says, f them. They’re they’re creeps Major League Baseball were creeps for allowing any of this to happen, and they built that stadium that like so they burned South Florida over 30 years that even the people who love baseball there won’t invest in it in a way. And Baltimore loves baseball, but I don’t know the financial part of this and the structure of all this underneath the billionaires, you can do whatever they want, and he and look room sideway, we got plenty of money. Okay, then spend it. Spend it stupidly, because you’re a billionaire, and you spend 1,000,000,008 on the freaking team, thinking you’re gonna make 4 billion out of it. So while you’re here, why not go 100 million upside down for five years? You know? I mean, so your your payrolls really should be to you know, 141 30, make it 210, for a couple years, just to put 500 million extra into it, knowing it’s going to come out when you sell it, because you’re 74 and you want to win, like to me that because this isn’t getting saved by massive money, it’s not getting saved by digital money. It’s not getting saved by leg nation or tiro or the 28 banks that used to be here, or Johns Hopkins pony up ten million a year to put their name on the stadium, or any of that. And it’s not coming from Middle River fans who aren’t even paying $65 for a month long membership to come to every game just so you could sell them beer, 15 bucks. I don’t know their model, Tim, and this is the problem. The model was always, we have a rich owner. We have TV. You know, Miss Gertrude. She’s 101 and she’s got cable television, and we’re sucking 40 bucks a month off of her. And she know baseball like that’s their their model has been to build people off of cable television and take that money and sell some tickets and sell some parking and sell some logos and sell some swag and put all that into a tent and sign Derek Jeter, or not signed Derek Jeter, or if you’re the Pittsburgh Pirates, Just pocket the money and lie about it. You just take, take the revenue sharing you lied about and pocket that. So this is my history with it, and everything I’ve just told you would be news to David Rubenstein. He I don’t think he knows anything about, like, literally, I don’t think he cares. He’s sort of a weird, old, arrogant billionaire dude who bought a team and like, this is going to be a toy and he’s going to be a hero, dude. If you’re not trying to sign the best players, you know this, and I know this, if you’re not trying to sign the best players, you’re not going to
Tim Wendel 34:08
win. No, he’s got to try. You least got to try. It doesn’t mean you got to sign him, but you got to try. And I thought that you sum that up very well. I love coming on this show. I learned so much
8Nestor Aparicio 34:22
about it and it, they should be pissed that there’s 10,000 empty seats at the playoff
Tim Wendel 34:26
game. Exactly. That was an embarrassment. And the thing is going back to what I was talking about before you maybe could have gotten away with this model or lack thereof. 15 years ago, 20 years ago, you know when I was on the beat, because we had plenty up. I mean, the twins came to mind. The rays for a while were like that, etc. I don’t think you can right now. Or because the fans, I don’t want to say, are smarter, but I think they’re more again, they’ve got many more options. They really kind of follow things. And you know you’re talking about 10,000 empty seats for a playoff game? Well, I expect they’ll probably make the playoffs again next year, but unless you get some kind of coherent philosophy that maybe the fan can’t articulate it all, but at least they understand that, and they kind of feel like they’re trying to make the team better. They’re looking to make my team better. If you’re not doing that, you’re gonna have more empty seats next time around, because people got other things to do. Tim, last
Nestor Aparicio 35:25
things for you, because I did want to give you some I started with digital and money. This is really where I wanted to get in. The money that underlies all of this for baseball is what I care about, because that’s going to fund whether, I mean, they could have got lucky, won the World Three six weeks ago, right? Like that could happen. They were good enough. I said to my wife back in May, I May and June, I said to her, this might be the best team they’ve ever, ever, ever had, going back to 73 and 74 when they had a young Baylor and they had Palmer’s pro, you know, like having ruchman, having Henderson, having at what I thought was Brad, what I thought might have been, means what, you know? What I mean, they had been till their arms fell off. And that’s something that didn’t happen in our era. Much happened? You mentioned dalkowski Already, I was before my era, but it didn’t happen much, right? You know, you didn’t feel like Dave, Steve’s arms going to fall off in Toronto. You didn’t feel like, if you had bought occur and storm Davis and Dennis Martinez that you were going to three of them were going to be hurt next year. Sure, go under a knife, right? Tommy John was a guy in our air and out of surgery. You know, you interviewed him, I know, but I would say for me, with where the model is, and that’s why I go back to the Curt Schilling thing to say they had a model that funded, not just the Yankees and the Dodgers and the Red Sox and funded all of this. Where is the money coming from in this community? If this community has to support it, and Major League Baseball is going to try to pull some sort of media thing that they’ve never been able to get any of these men to agree on anything financially. If they ever could have done that, they would be like everyone else, and the Orioles would have a salary cap, and either would have enough to sign the best players or not, because we don’t talk about this when it comes to, can the Ravens afford Lamar? We’re small market.
Tim Wendel 37:05
8I mean, it’s an absurd, totally different dynamic. Yeah, it’s
Nestor Aparicio 37:09
an unfair conversation, and it’s one that I’m not sure Mr. Rubenstein or Mr. Arrogy have a full measurement on what this community has been through, having a football team stolen, having a baseball team threatened, having like, and then having our people held hostage for like, there should be no happy. Or if there’s a happy Oriole fan around here, they have a really low bar. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I just would say, since 1983 right, where’s the splash? Man? You know Rubenstein. I’ve waited my whole effing life for you to get here. You’re here now. Do something. Do
Tim Wendel 37:47
something surprise me. You know, it’s funny you bring up football, because I can remember any of Lord Lords of realm. John Hellyer, good friend of mine, wrote that. And I
Nestor Aparicio 37:57
don’t know Well, I believe so my show. It would be a, it would be a bucket list get for I’ve never let me see John Heller is like above, where I’ve never I’d be afraid to speak to John. I’d be Oh no,
8Tim Wendel 38:09
he’s, he’s a great guy. But I remember when he was working on lords, Lords of the Realm, and I helped him out a little bit on it, because he had missed a couple ownership meetings. So I filled him, filled him in on it, because at that point, I was covering ownership for for baseball weekly, and he told me something, you know, he kind of looked at his crystal ball, and he said, you know, and that point, a lot of the argument, as you said, was over salary cap. It’s not like the NFL, you know, teams can afford players. Same with the NHL, whatever it may be. And in baseball, you can’t, you know, there’s no salary cap. There’s none of this as fans, well, no. And I remember, hell, your one time, you know, we were talking about, and he just said, This sport is nuts. And he was talking about baseball, and I’m going, why? And he’s going, I’m not advocating for a salary cap. I’m not advocating for these things, because it’ll never happen, you know, with the way the players union was then, but he says, he said, This sport is like, it’s being done without a net. It’s a trapeze act without a net. And when somebody falls, they’re going to get hurt bad. Whereas, you know, if you fall in the NFL, you know, the nets there, it’s revenue sharing, okay? You know, maybe you become the Carolina Panthers for a couple years or something like that, and you are terrible, but you’re going to be back between draft picks and salary, you know, revenue sharing and salary cap, and that’s not the case in baseball. And so that means the people that really excel are like the Andrew Friedman’s out in LA. I mean, they’re sharks, and you better be ready to compete, because it’s not like, you know, several times you’ve said during our conversation, oh, we’re poor Baltimore, we can’t compete. That doesn’t add up to anything. You can maybe say that in the NFL, and things will come around, because there’s things, there’s mechanisms that will help. There’s no such help in baseball. So. Know, there needs to be a philosophy, and maybe it’s back to the old Oriole way. Maybe there’s they’re doing things up through their minor leagues, and allows them not to pay somebody like a Juan Soto so much or whatever. But there’s got to be some kind of philosophy or some kind of approach, because if not, you’re dead in the water in this day and age.
Nestor Aparicio 40:20
Back when Steve Bucha considered me a real media member, we used to take long walks together.
Tim Wendel 40:24
You are a real media member. You’ll always be a media member in my world. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 40:28
8when he and I got got together, back when I was a real media member, I remember saying to him, and you know, I wrote a book about this, about why he bought the team, and a huge chapter about that. At one point, the Minnesota Vikings were the Florida Marlins. You know, there were other sport he didn’t want to just own a sports franchise. Rubenstein wanted to be a big shot. He didn’t want to own a team. He would have gladly bought the Nationals Had that been available. He even said he was going to go in on the nationals with Ted Lee owns this like, literally, he said that as part of the his elevator speech, right? The notion that Steve Bucha said to me, and I remember him saying this to me on the fields at no means Mills, when they first got the facility, because they had a really successful soccer match here. The night was a friendly. Ronaldinho played in it, you know, like, tickets were 300 bucks to get in, and it was a hardcore friendly in August. And I said to him, What wouldn’t you want to, like, try an MLS team here. We don’t have the NHL. He said, You know, he said, it’s like a prom. He’s cigar, it’s like a prom. Once a year, they’ll all come out, but they’re, you know, supportive. Besides, I don’t like soccer, you know, like, I don’t like soccer. I said, Well, you like baseball? He said, Yeah, I like baseball. But like, if I bought the Orioles, we couldn’t win. Like, became win. How am I going to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox? We can’t win. Like, I don’t believe in buying a business at that level. That’s bottom of industry, when you look at it and you know, we’re never going to generate that revenue. So then, where is it coming from? It better be fun for you, Mr. Rubenstein, and it better be we bought 1,000,000,008 depressed because of the clowns that owned it. We it comes with 600 million to fix up our house, and we get to decide what happens. Oh, we got gambling revenue now too. So we got that going on and Okay, so paid 1,000,000,008 let’s pretend we paid 2.3 put another 500 million in for the first five years to wow them so we can make sure we have enough money for Henderson rushman. Anybody comes along, but we the wow people. We the wow people. The Ravens play. There they have Lamar, that’s wow, you know, like, there’s no Wow here, it’s Christmas time, and I don’t see any Wow Tim, and I’m really, really underwhelmed and shocked and disappointed. You know early on that they haven’t come forth right away with this is Katie Griggs. This is Mike Elias. We’re doing things differently. Stadiums open. Winter carnivals on. You remember the Winter Carnival, you know, like, like, let’s go build an ice rink. It’s, it’s center field, net. People come, I don’t know, do something that says to me, we’re the angels. Family’s gone. We’re gonna we’re gonna be good to all the people me being one of them that were completely poorly treated by these people, which is why the empty seats were. That’s the trauma. I went back to Mr. Robinson, and I just don’t feel it that there’s a plan yet. And I I’m shocked by this, because I thought they were really sharp, you know, well funded, they could afford to buy goodwill,
Tim Wendel 43:27
you know what I mean, like, at least, afford to do a splash, or something like that. And you and what you’re saying is the off season is as Pivotal, or more important, in some ways than the regular season.
Nestor Aparicio 43:40
They’re wasting valuable time.
Tim Wendel 43:41
Well, what the and they’re losing headlines and such. You know, I It’s funny when, when you called up and said, Hey, come on, on the show. We’ll, we’ll talk some baseball on the Orioles, and it must have been a win. I haven’t heard much of anything about the Orioles unless, you know they lost out on Blake Snell. I mean, maybe they’re gonna maybe lose some other guys.
8Nestor Aparicio 43:58
Was good at that too. He was in on to share Sure. He was like, you laugh out loud. That’s where we got. 15 years into this, he was, well, we’re gonna sign all the basketball except for Mashiach, because we gave him enough money, stupid ish that came out of his mouth. But
Tim Wendel 44:16
at least he was like, you know, making headlines. It’s funny. And Angelos was but I don’t know, I still flashback to Angelo’s. You were there the time. You know, in a sense, his group bought the Orioles, and they had that presser and
Nestor Aparicio 44:32
out of the plaza in right field. I
Tim Wendel 44:34
8remember it well, and it was still one of the most surreal things, but it generated headlines. I heard, I don’t know if I was sitting next, he was sitting next to somebody, and the way Angelus was going on, he sounded like Al Haig after Reagan had been shot, or something, like, I’m in control here now in the West Wing of the White House. And yet, you know, you can make jokes about it, and some of it was just totally out of bounds, but he made headlines. You know. I think it’s even worse to have things dead in the water and nothing going on. What are we like? Three days for Christmas? And, you know, that would be kind of fun if they were had their act together. You know, some nice season ticket tickets. You know, partial seeds, a ticket plan you give to somebody for
Nestor Aparicio 45:14
Christmas to do that
Tim Wendel 45:16
like, but there’s no but there’s no splash.
Nestor Aparicio 45:19
There’s no value in why I’m giving them money and and Tim, the big picture for me, really is what the model is going to be, because that’s what I’ve been talking about. Because the model isn’t, I’m giving mass and $3 a month, and they’re, they’re going to sign gunner Henderson with that right like the the notion is, how much money does the Aparicio family and I usually hold my credit card right around, and I say, you’re after this. You’re after my money. Shame, whatever way it is, whether it’s buying a shirt, a hat, a low What are you going to do for it? What it games on TV, the fact that they’ve started restricting their games, and my mother’s dead. She was 98 when she died, but she watched every Oreo game, and into her 90s are they on mass and one tonight? Mass and two tonight? That was hard enough. I remember back when I worked at the news, American in the sports department, a guy will call from Highland town. Make you laugh with this one. This is not fiction. This is this is a true story. A guy would call every night, and I’m a 15 year old kid answer the phone and he calls, hey, I won’t even Oreos on color or black and white tonight? Literally, that was the question. And that, like, when they play these games on Apple TV, and Corbin Burns is pitching on a Friday night, and they’re playing Milwaukee, and it’s the middle of the year and they’ve won four games in a row, and it’s a Friday night Apple TV ain’t getting anything from me. And it in like, I’m not playing that game with peacock. I got your peacock right here, like so give me a price. Give me a here’s my credit card. How much are the games? How much is me going to three or four games and getting the back Rob and getting a free sandwich and whatever, you know, whatever? How much are you to be a fan, to be in the club, to be in your country club, your Orange Country Club. What? What does it cost me to at least get the games on my television, because at the beginning, if I’m not watching the games, and I went through this with my buddy from Arkansas, from Dundalk. He’s lived in Arkansas for 20 runs the Clinton Library down there. Oh yeah. And one of my best friends in the world, he came out to pizza, John’s my birthday. This is like when it was raw. The season was over a couple of days, and I said to him, you’re tweeting about yours all the time sick. I don’t get the games. Like, cost too much money out of like, you know, I’m not paying Major League bag. And I’m thinking, you love the Orioles are in freaking Arkansas. You won’t get two 300 bucks for the year just to get to every game. Now, I love them, but I don’t like, Yeah, I’d rather buy jersey. I’d rather I watch the games. And I’m thinking to myself, the minute you stop watching the games you’re at, you’re out of the soap opera well, and to me, they needed to figure out how to get more people into the soap opera in a town Tim, where you’ll see this when you come in this week, count the lacrosse fields over by. Oh yeah, yeah. You know, in this market, specifically, we have little Johnny and little Jill, and we’re going to give him a softball bat, a baseball glove, a lacrosse stick, right? That and this community, Mr. Rubenstein and Miss Griggs, they don’t know about any of this. I live here my whole life. I’ve seen it, you know, seen it ravage my own community, where I go back to my own community now, kids are playing soccer because they’re Hispanic. I thought Hispanic kids played base. No, they play soccer, and they’re white. They play lacrosse, sure, sure. So I would just say to you this new model where you’re an Oriole fan, displaced or local, how are they getting me the games, and how are they getting that avidity and rapidity that you and I always had,
8Tim Wendel 48:44
yeah, and I’m not sure how you know, if anything. Again, going back to what we’re talking about earlier, you at least gotta get front and center on some things. I mean, the Orioles are just kind of out there what they’re doing, whereas I see about the Dodgers all the time, and I see about the Yankees, and hate the Yankees, but, you know, whatever baseball. Tim, yeah, I don’t know if I love it as much. Um, I only want that to
Nestor Aparicio 49:12
you because I love you and you’re my friend. I admit that I don’t love baseball as much I want to. I keep telling these people, why do you think I don’t write about all this stuff to talk about this, because I don’t want to love it. Give me something to love, right? Right? My daughter’s low too. I survived Angelos. You know what I mean, just, how about this? Be nice. That’s free. Lenny Morrison, it’s free. Well, I’m
Tim Wendel 49:33
losing, I’m afraid they’re losing the next generation. And you’re asking, do I love baseball like I used to? And one of the reasons I hesitate is my son’s now, what? 31 my son was a great baseball player, great catcher. He does not really watch baseball anymore. My kid doesn’t watch baseball and I and it breaks my heart, you know, at first I was going, well, he’s not watching baseball during the regular season. Yeah, I can somewhat see that. And in May. Be maybe he’ll watch one or two games during the playoffs and and the thing is, that’s, that’s a way we stay in contact. You know, he lives up in New York, you know, when we’re watching a game, like we were last night watching the bills. I mean, we’re texting all the time. We’re going back and forth. It’s half the fun. You just like going, wow. Do you believe that? You know, what do you think of this? And it was amazing weekend for him, because he went to Michigan, so he got to see Michigan, upset Ohio State and all that. He’s gone the last four Michigan, Ohio State Games. Do
Nestor Aparicio 50:27
8you have a sports relationship with your son? My son, my son just, you know, he’s seen the way I’ve been treated. He didn’t like it. You know, my son sat in the upper deck, and my son carried a notebook and went out and covered, you know, tried to be involved in what I like. He’s just like, man, you know, my son doesn’t like arrogance. My son doesn’t like,
Tim Wendel 50:43
Well, I kind of agree with that, but it’s a language, it’s a world, at least in part, my son and I share, but as you’re bringing that up, I’m realizing we don’t share the baseball world that much anymore. It’s probably been, good, gosh, four or five years since we went to a baseball game together. We’ve gone to football games together. I mean, the last snow game before the last night’s snow game in Buffalo, we were at when they beat Miami on that field, field goal with as time ran out, and it was a snow globe, and
Nestor Aparicio 51:13
the bills are at your soul, right? If the bills win the Super Bowl, you’ll cry, I’ll cry, and
Tim Wendel 51:18
I’ll probably go to the victory parade, and I’ll probably be there with Paul white and resig and whole
8Nestor Aparicio 51:23
bunch of other Balani. Take Balani with you. Balani will be
Tim Wendel 51:27
there. Balani will be in the parade.
Nestor Aparicio 51:31
I mean, I speak a little buffalo with a guy in Charlottesville who is the writer in residence and professor at the Baltimore jobs office. Tim Wendell is a great friend, a great author, a good baseball sage. His book is Rebel falls and nothing to do with baseball. It’s at the Civil War. You can have him sign it and get a handshake and hopefully a hot cup of cocoa, or,
Tim Wendel 51:50
8Oh yeah, please come out. Spike that. People love baseball questions. I’m actually happy to answer those too, so be good.
Nestor Aparicio 51:56
Thanks for coming on.
Tim Wendel 51:57
You’re always a pleasure.
Nestor Aparicio 51:59
I don’t talk baseball with a lot of people, because unless they know more than me, I don’t really want to talk to them. So you’re, you’re one of those people like you forgot more things. And if I delved into when you said 8687 I Bay Area. I’m like, Oh man, you know, will the thrill and and can’t say go and the bash. Brother, you you were there. I was
8Tim Wendel 52:18
there for all that. That’s That was my, my entry into it, no. And I love coming on too. I love learning about what’s going on up there. And it worries me a little bit. So worries
Nestor Aparicio 52:27
me a lot of it, I mean, and you know, I don’t have to make this stuff up, because the truth has been Stranger Than Fiction here ever since Angelus got involved. And my last name still Aparicio, and I still am begging to be involved, holding my credit card out and just saying, Be nice, and let me do my job and come back and be a part of the baseball thing. And we’ll have a good time. By the way, I leave you with this sage little snippet that came, and it came from Bob Ryan. So you know, it’s good, it’s legitimate. The day that Willie Mays died, that morning he put up, Luis Aparicio is now the oldest living Hall of Famer. So I’ve got that going on. Louie’s going to live a little while. Hopefully we’re going to hang in there, but so at least got that going on. So I still got the last name. That’s great, even though I’ve been exited for 18 years. Tim Wendell still in. Buy his books. Buy his baseball books. Castro’s Cuba, 68 all this stuff that’s out there. Make sure you can check it all out and find him out on Amazon, where good books are sold. And buy local, buy local authors. He is the professor in residence here at Johns Hopkins. I am Nestor. We are W, N, S, D, A, 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We never stop talking fiction and non fiction in baseball and Baltimore positive.com see, we made it through the whole week. It didn’t talk about Justin Tucker. You.
