Two old sportswriters with tales to tell of the Jim Irsay they got to know long after Bob Irsay pirated the Baltimore Colts off to Indiana amidst the cloak of darkness. Longtime Indianapolis NFL insider and sportswriter Bob Kravitz tells Nestor about the Colts legacy that Jim Irsay has left behind in the friendly heart of the midwest.
Nestor Aparicio and Bob Kravitz discuss the legacy of Jim Irsay, owner of the Indianapolis Colts. Despite initial animosity towards Irsay, Aparicio reflects on his evolving relationship with Irsay, who was known for his generosity and efforts to make amends for his father’s actions. Kravitz shares personal stories, including Irsay’s support for a young cancer patient and his commitment to mental health advocacy. They also touch on Irsay’s involvement in the NFL, his unique personality, and his impact on the Indianapolis community. The conversation ends with reflections on Irsay’s daughters, Carly and Casey, and their potential to continue his legacy.
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Jim Irsay, Indianapolis Colts, legacy, generosity, mental health, addiction, leadership, Baltimore Colts, Super Bowl, rock and roll, community impact, family, NFL, sports journalism, personal stories.
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Nestor Aparicio, Bob Kravitz
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Welcome home. We are W, N, S T am 1570 task of Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive, and we are positively into a memorial day week and fun around here in lots and lots of ways, watching some baseball. We had lacrosse going on over the weekend. My My heartfelt apologies to all the Maryland fans out there, but I do know some Cornell people, so they’re all happy. Let them win. We win enough around here. We had a strange death in the Baltimore vernacular last week, the loss of Jim or say. And I realize many in our audience do not share any affinity for Jim IRSA. Have spent any time with him. I have reached to people who did know Jim Irsay and know him well. Clark judge joined me. We did about an hour of memories, going back to Clark’s days of covering the Baltimore Colts. This guy and I’ve gotten to know each other in his time in Indianapolis. He’s been there a couple of decades, chronicling all things colts, but was not there in 1984 Bob Kravitz has worked in other markets and including Denver and other places like, Bob, were you in Cincinnati? So you were in other places? I know
Bob Kravitz 01:07
I was an intern in Cincinnati. I worked in Pittsburgh. I worked in San Diego for about 10 minutes. I’ve been all over the damn place, but Indianapolis
Nestor Aparicio 01:16
is what sort of you’re known for. As Chuck pagano comes back to Baltimore this year and to flake gate and all of that, and your involvement and all of that nonsense with Tom Brady and being a journalist, journalist in Indiana for so many years, you got a different version of Jim Irsay right, and Clark bared his soul to me about how he never wanted to think about her. Say, speaker, say, the loss of the franchise chased him to San Diego, and San Francisco changed his life that the Colts left Baltimore, and then he found himself later in life, really taking a liking to Jim, as did I over the last 20 years. And I think you know that, and sort of my famous putting down the sword the week of the Super Bowl in 2009 or whatever that was out in Indianapolis, 2012 was your Super Bowl, right? 2012 Yeah, 12, right. I wrote a piece that had a million views in Indiana the week I was there, just about like. I did not want to carry that hatred any longer, so I guess I gave the hatred up 14 years ago. I befriended Jim Irsay along the way, I went to his rock and roll exhibition in New York. And so I as Jim leaves the planet, I need to talk to people like you in Indianapolis who have seen what he has done for your community. And I’m not going to bring everybody on. And I did air the 125 minute piece that I sat with Jim, the one time in my life we sat on the record and chatted, which I never released until last week, about leadership and but I’m, I’m a little busted up that I’m never going to have a chance to talk. Yeah, yeah, you
8Bob Kravitz 02:47
know. I’ll tell you what. I was gutted when I you know, we all knew this day was going to come sooner rather than later. I mean, obviously, you know his day was going to come, but you know, living the life that he led and his addiction issues. We all knew that this day was going to come, but that made it no less gutting. He was, look, he was not he, he was not a great owner in the sense that he just let the football people do the football stuff. He got a little too involved at times. We saw that a couple of years ago when he fired Frank Reich and insisted, really mandated that Sam Ellinger start. But I’m telling you, man, his spirit of generosity in this town, and it’s not just handing out $100 bills at at training camp. I’ll just give you a quick story. I wrote a I wrote a piece about a young man who had cancer who was Marion universities, kind of, kind of their guy. He was their cheerleader, uses the guy who went to all the games and using the locker room and everything, and they were playing a national championship game down in Daytona. This is Marion University, and I wrote about it, and he couldn’t go because of his health situation. Well, Jim saw the story and immediately called and made his plane available for for the the young man and his family, and they went down to Daytona, and they watched the game on Jim Irsay, and that’s something he did constantly. He reads stuff in the paper, he’d hear stuff on the radio, and he would act upon it in the most generous manner you can imagine.
Nestor Aparicio 04:48
I don’t know. What else can you say about a guy that you know other than that, who inherited this wealth through his father’s good fortune of having bought the 10. Team, flipped the team, moved the team, milk the team, no doubt, wrecked the team, you know, wrecked the family reputation in the last name that he decided he wasn’t going to be like that. And Bob, you know, I’ll say this. I’m a Baltimore kid, right? And I was at the paper in 84 at the at the news American in March of 84 then I worked at the evening sun all during the herb Bell grab. We’re trying to get a team back. Is I can hold up my st Louis Cardinals. We tried to steal this team, you know, we tried to steal all sorts of TV. We tried to steal this team. Peter Angelo study at this team, right? And, you know, we went we so I’m collecting these old 1970s belt buckles, because I have a Baltimore Colts one. And everyone would say, in the late 80s, Jim Irsay is different. And people knew Jim Irsay around town because he was a young guy. He was always sort of banging around Goucher and and you know, where they trained and what they were. And people knew him, even Ernie, of course, he, who I knew would say James different, Bruce lair, the the players that had befriended him, even though his old man was drunk and crazy and moved the team, they kept these relationships with him, and, um, I never knew much. And obviously we celebrated the death of Bob Earth. Say, here, I’m not proud of that, but we did it. It’s on the record. In the late 90s, we got our own team, and at some point we won the Super Bowl in oh one, and Bucha he bought the team, and Bucha D took me under wing, because Bucha he got a lot of pushback, and I’m talking Oh 4567, Bucha D Moving into the model seat at that point. It was about the Colt records. It was about our fans having now won a Super Bowl Ray Lewis, that Ray Lewis wasn’t connected and John Ogden weren’t connected to Johnny you in the Football Hall of Fame, that in order to see Johnny you and Lenny Moore and art don’t see any of that you had to go to the Indianapolis Colts wing in Canton, and this is before they put all the money into it and did all that they’ve done with the league over the last 20 years. So this complaint was very common for Bucha D when he’s drinking down in College Park out amongst Ravens fans, and he was out now, Steve’s been hiding for well over a decade. Took my press, all of this, all of this Justin talk, everything in the aftermath of Ray Rice changed Steve in a dramatic way. But Steve cared so much. That was the one complaint that Steve wanted as a colts fan himself and a guy who went out to Western Maryland at Johnny you sign an autograph. So Steve grabbed me at the owners meetings and said, I want you to take a walk with Jim Irsay and I and talk about the records and how maybe that that Steve wanted to do that for the Baltimore fans. So we went for this walk at the Biltmore and before we went for the walk, Steve said to me, Look, man, Jim Irsay is real. Slow, kinesthetic, thoughtful guy, you need to match his heartbeat a little bit when we talk to Jim. So we went for this walk with cigars. I’m not a cigar smoker, but it was at the Biltmore. I know you’ve been there in Arizona, and we did a good hour sitting out on this for just us. There was nobody came near us walk, just the three of us, talking about the Colts records. And Steve said to Jim, it’s kind of like after divorce, where does the family sit in the church pews at the at the wedding? For, you know, like, so he was trying to, like, frame this thing up. And I didn’t talk about it at all at the time. I’ve talked about it a little bit over the last decade, especially since Bucha, he took my press pass and the sleaze of all that’s gone on with the Ravens over the last 1012, years. But the earth say thing to me after that moment, Jim would never not see me and say Baltimore guy or come up to me, but we would talk Beatles. We talked Tom Petty, we talked music. He and Pete Ward invited me to New York, but, but all of that would Jim was so magnanimous in that hour to say, I would do anything to change this. You want Johnny use records they should be in Baltimore side. This is what Jim’s saying. He said, but I can’t affect the Hall of Fame, and I can’t change it. The mayflowers moved, and I can’t tell the Hall of Fame what to do with franchises. But my God, yeah, if Johnny, if it made things right in Baltimore, to put Johnny used records next to Ray Lewis, I would do that. Jim mercy said that to me, right? I believe it. Well, we never changed anything, but we tried like hell, and it frustrated Steve to no end. It really did, but there, because Jim had already won a Super Bowl at that point, had already had all of, let’s start the Colts records in 84 like Jim was okay with all of that. But Jim, to me, was this guy always trying to make things right, because he knew he didn’t, he didn’t be, you know, besmirch his dad. Had, or the, you know, the I don’t, I don’t ever, I don’t remember him saying anything really negative about his dad, but he carried it, man, it’s his to the end, right
Bob Kravitz 10:09
there. There’s no doubt. I mean, he the, you know, he said this to me. If he said it once, he said it 1000 times. He said, My father was a brilliant man. He was a very sick man, and I do not want to be my father. And in some ways he was not, because he was, generally speaking, an owner who cared about winning and was willing to do whatever it took to win. And at the same time, he had his father’s addiction, addictive personality. Had that illness and never was able to outrun it. I mean, he was having problems as recently as two years ago, so gosh, I saw him just a couple of months ago, and I remember telling my wife, my God, we’re the same age, and I don’t take care of myself at all, and he looks like
Nestor Aparicio 11:09
8hockey Bob. I know I don’t play
Bob Kravitz 11:11
hockey anymore. That’s why you have the picture in the corner. That’s the actual that’s the actual body, because I can’t figure out how to turn my camera on. Dope, the Jim. Jim just he, he respected his father, but he didn’t want to be his father. And it’s going to be interesting to see how Carly handles this. Carly, or say, Gordon,
Nestor Aparicio 11:41
she’s going to be can you explain to me? Because I wonder who owns the Colts? Now, I really did wonder that, because I don’t know. The
Bob Kravitz 11:47
girls, the three girls, the dogs are the are the what’s that? Daughters? Correct? The daughters, yes, yes, the three daughters on the team, Carly. Carly has been deeply involved in this in this franchise for many years. She’s only 44 but like her father, she kind of grew up at the bottom of the organization. You see her during games on the sideline with a headset. You see her at practice with with a notepad. I have talked with former cult executives who say, have nothing but great things to say about Carly, or say Gordon. They say she’s going to be very sharp. And I, I think in some ways she may end up being a better owner than her father, because, if we’re being completely honest, and God rest his soul. Jim was not a great owner in the last couple of years, and I think that’s reflected in the fact that the Indianapolis Colts haven’t won an AFC South in 10 years. Bob
8Nestor Aparicio 12:51
Kravitz is here. He is a venerable Indianapolis sage, even though he’s not a native or but he’s been there. When did you arrive? He doesn’t so you, you arrived right when Peyton Manning got there.
Bob Kravitz 13:02
Yeah, it was, I was the player to be named later. What,
Nestor Aparicio 13:06
um, did you know about Jim Irsay? And give you a little bit of your back, because, I mean, everybody knows, last 25 years you’ve been in Indianapolis, but, like, you were sort of a traveling, uh, what I wanted to be an Oscar Madison. You were, yeah, you were a writer for hire. You were a sports reporter, you were a columnist, you were sage, you were tough, you were you could cover all four sports. You wore a hockey mask, you know. But like I know of you through Indianapolis, and I know of you through football in the NFL and Deflategate and covering the Colts, but you cover a lot of other things. I mean that to think that you would be tied to Indianapolis in the Earth’s a family, probably not something you would have thought if I had met you at a 1995 World Series game.
Bob Kravitz 13:46
8Look, I didn’t think I’d be in a in a non hockey town, to be honest with you. I mean, because hockey is my is my passion. But you know Jim? I knew that Jim was different. I had heard he was kind of a flower child, but I I heard that you didn’t know what you’re going to get when you sat down with Jim, because you didn’t know if he was altered in any way, shape or form. And quite honestly, in 2000 he was in a bad he was in a bad way. And the first couple of times I met him, I thought he was completely complete. I thought he was in trouble. To be perfectly honest with you, I thought he was in trouble. He did go for rehab a number of times, and he was in and out and up and down, and you never really knew. But as he sobered up, and I got to know him. And we both love counter culture. We both love rock and roll. We both love Texas blues. We we both love history. And he started inviting me to his his museum, his artifact. And everything else, I’m sure you’ve seen that used to go to the to the rock and roll concert that he would give to the city as kind of a gift back to the city the day before opening day, and we just got to know each other on a personal level. He knew, and I made it clear to him that back in I would tell him, back in my day, I drank a little bit. He said, Son, I’ve spilled more than you drank. I was like, okay, all right, yeah.
Nestor Aparicio 15:35
I mean the reputation and his demons and who he was. I mean, that night in New York three years ago, Clark Judge, I and we, he and I talked at length about it. But the band and Mike Mills and Kevin Shepherd and and him singing, you know, Tom Petty singing something big on stage with the cowboy hatel was there they, you know, the raising money, but the background for all of that, and that incredible night I had, and even all the guitars and the Hunter S Thompson burning a joint in the in the Cadillac, and like all the stuff that he has there, the Kerouac manuscript, just all of it, um, the mental health thing and the stigma part of his thoughts that he knew he was a little different. He knew his life was very different, and I and he was a unique cat, and he would appreciate that I called him a cat, right, like he really was, and I don’t, and I think some people were humored by some people didn’t know how to, like get at him in some way, but, man, I got him in a way that I as a Baltimore guy who hated everything about her say and the legend of her say, it, it, it changed me. You know what I mean? Like knowing him a little bit and talking to him changed me. And every time I ran into him, I would leave with a smile, and I’d say to my wife, how. How can I hate these people, you know, I don’t think you could, but I do think that there’s a feeling of, here’s a guy’s a billionaire and all these dead now, but you almost, he was like a child, a man child who was given this Disney thing and had to care for it, and by and large, did a pretty good job. Yeah.
Bob Kravitz 17:20
I mean, he, like, I say, he learned a lot from his father on what not to do in terms of, in terms of, you know, getting too involved in the process. You mentioned the the the mental health piece of this, I think, of all the things that Jim Irsay has done in his life. That will be the most important thing. I can’t tell you, the number of people who have been able to get treatment in this town and around the country because of Jim Irsay, because of the money they’ve put in and continue to put in, I think that will be the most important part of his legacy. Yes, the Super Bowl is great. It’s to his dying day. It killed him that that they didn’t win two or more, which I really think they could have. But for that damn Tom Brady and Drew Brees, he was just, I mean, can you just imagine Robert Kraft getting up and singing, lawyers, guns and money in front of 70,000 people? And that was Jim. Jim. Jim was a flower child. We, I think we got each other. We both had our moments of stupidity. And unfortunately, Jim never quite outran it. It just, it’s a terrible disease, and I think it’s incredibly important what Jim has done to to, you know, to destigmatize mental mental illness. Well, I’m here to
Nestor Aparicio 18:59
lift his name today in his honor and the dignity and respect that he treated me with and and that collection of stuff that he put together, it was in that little museum across in the Marriott during, like Super Bowl week a dozen years ago, I and it traveled around, and Jim would travel it around and higher, like the night I was there was Natalie merchant, was the singer in New York. I feel bad that I didn’t see the Ann Wilson one. I know that there were other Mellon camp, different people that he sort of vagabond, that did this traveling show, and it was his goal to take it, kind of everywhere. He took it to Chicago, took it to big cities, and now he’s gone. I don’t what do you have any idea? What happens with that stuff? Is, people have asked me about like, could they see it? And I’m like, it’s an amazing Smithsonian sort of collection of stuff. It’s it’s not, it’s not the Hard Rock Cafe. This is different. This
8Bob Kravitz 19:54
is different. They will continue. I talked to Larry Hall just to send him my. Condolences. I don’t know if you remember Larry as a ticket guy back in Baltimore, but he said they will continue, you know, rolling it around the country. And that’s the thing with Jim. It wasn’t just so he could be selfish and say, Look, I own Jerry Garcia’s guitar. He wanted to share the joy of of all these artifacts with with the city of Indianapolis and with the country at large, and that, that was Jim. He was just his spirit of generosity and his desire to reach out to people on a personal, human level was unmatched. And you know, you don’t, he was like a little kid with all these toys and but, but he’s a great caretaker, just as he was a caretaker for the Indianapolis Colts, he’s a caretaker for all these artifacts. Bob
Nestor Aparicio 21:00
Kravitz is my guest. He is in Indianapolis. It used to be a four letter word around here Indy, but we’ve we, we still, we want to Super Bowls. And he only won one. And if I see him at the pearly gates, I’ll remind him of that, you know, through all of this, but the legacy and all the stuff that’s going on, and all the artifacts and all that the football goes on right and and the franchise is certainly in the city. I mean, I always think about that when I come there, and that was where my heart was, back in 2011 and 12, when I came in for your Super Bowl and said, you know, RSA stole our team. He broke already did all this, but look at what he did for Indiana. And I think that that to me 40 years later, that allows me, as well as the fact that the Ravens were made whole, and my community was made whole at one point. It really is that that part of that legacy of what this dastardly deed his dad did, that he turned it into, and I called it a flower. I called it a flower. It’s amazing. You call him the flower child. I remember I referred to it as Yeah, this flower that was blooming in the Midwest.
Bob Kravitz 22:02
Yeah, it’s funny. You compare him. I’ve met some of the other owners, and you know, one of the things about Jim is he was a football guy, and most of the owners, you look at their teams, and they’re just part of a larger business portfolio. And but you look, you look at Jim and I mean, he grew up watching jock straps. I’m not saying that he would wasn’t filthy rich, but he grew up, you know, grabbing waters or Gatorades for Johnny Unitas. And that’s what Carly er say. Gordon is doing, or has done he he was a football guy. He understood it. If you talk to Bill Pauline, if you talk to Ryan Griggs, and they’ll tell you that he really knows football in ways that no other owner really understands the game at a granular level.
Nestor Aparicio 23:01
8Well, well, I I’d never heard anybody say that about him. But that goes without saying. When I sat and talked leadership with him, and Pete Ward set this up, I believe it’s just in 2010 that I sat with him down in Orlando, and I made and I made a video, but the video cameras only on him, not on us. And my wife was like, sort of holding the camera from us, but I was doing a book on bald. Book on Baltimore Sports Leadership, and he agreed to sit with me and talk about where he got his leadership. Me, he had just won the Super Bowl, right? So I I sat with him, and the first things that I put it up for the first time last week. It’s literally just been on a hard drive for 15 years. I never unearthed it. I never used it. I never wrote the book. I have a bunch of videos of Jack Del Rio and a whole bunch of different people from that era. And I pulled it up, and I put it in the transcription, and I looked at it, and I thought, I’m gonna air this, because it’s amazing. The first things he talked about, and he was so excited to talk to me about it was Ted marchibroda, Joe Thomas, things he learned when he was a boy, you know, things that he learned from Frank Cush, things that you like, just all of that, even his dad. He referred to his dad, but like he ran a multi billion dollar company for the last 40 years as a drug addict that was given to him. He had no qualification to do it. And more than that, while Jack Kent cooks kids lost the team, and Dan Snyder wealthed his way in and effed it all up, and all of these families lost the model. Family lost control of the business, his family’s now third generation into it, right? Like they’ve really there has been a part of leadership. There you yuck, yuck, and say funny guy with the cowboy hat singing Tom Petty songs and so broken down and weird, gravelly voice and all of that. I don’t know there’s some genius in there. Kravitz, there really was.
Bob Kravitz 24:50
He was a very, very smart guy like me. He had a hard time sometimes articulating it, but very. Deep thinker, voracious reader. You know, it’s funny to me, or it’s weird to me that, you know, there’s this feeling about Earth Day in Baltimore, which is obviously totally understandable, and yet the people in Washington have have a, uh, a debt to pay to her, say, for saying what he said about Dan Snyder, sure,
Nestor Aparicio 25:27
right, that. And that was a bold, courageous, yes, it was. You know, billionaires don’t come out like that. I mean, they don’t, you know, I got Rubenstein here, who got thrown out of the Kennedy Center by by schittler, and can’t even speak out that that might not have been a good thing, you know, right? So, you know, these billionaires are as cowardly in general sense and a stick togetherness, even when they know they’re wrong that Jim didn’t walk that walk at the end, you know. And I said to Clark last week, I said, Hey, man, the last thing that he did in his life that that had a bang and a pop and a quote, was standing up for those women, absolutely,
Bob Kravitz 26:06
absolutely. And it surprised me to be honest with I remember watching watching Sports Center, and there he was. I was like, What has gotten into Jim? Because Jim was a go along to get along guy, you know, he he definitely had. He played an important role in the NFL. He was the longest tenured owner, or one of the longest tenured owners in the league, but he wasn’t the guy who stepped out, out of tune, you know, when it came to NFL business, and that time he did, I guess, tells you how
8Nestor Aparicio 26:43
wrong he thought it was, that exactly right.
Bob Kravitz 26:45
That’s exactly right. Well,
Nestor Aparicio 26:47
Bob Kravitz is here. I like talking good about Jim Irsay on the Baltimore airways, because he deserved that. And and I, and I saw some disparaging remarks last week, and I would hope, and I say this to everyone, Bob, because everyone likes my son more than me. Don’t blame my son for my stuff, right? Don’t blame me for my father. I was a better guy than my father, but, you know, my real father, trust me, you know, I’ve worked hard at that. So I think we’ve all worked hard to be better than our parents, and I think Jim Irsay is a shining example of that, literally,
Bob Kravitz 27:20
8right? Yeah, I would agree completely. I mean, the, you know, sometimes you learn more from other people’s mistakes, and you do their successes. And I think he saw the way his father, he comported himself. I mean, the stories I you know, Rick venturi, I assume, pretty, pretty well. And the stories that Rick tells, I mean, you the old man Earth Day would come in around after lunch, after a couple of cocktails, and fire everybody. And by four o’clock he had no memory of having fired anybody. So, you know, it was really important to Jim, you know, I guess you could say he was a functional addict, if there is such a thing. I mean, he got, he got the job done, but obviously he had more than his unfair share of issues.
Nestor Aparicio 28:15
All right, Bob, so your homework, and the last parting shot for you with Jim Irsay is I found that night 2022 that he and Pete Ward invited me up to New York. I did not take my wife. And I told my my wife was offered to come. She had a family thing, didn’t, didn’t go along with me. And when I came, I’m sure, how was it? I’m like, You really missed you screwed this one up. This, this was one you should have gone to and but the concert was amazing, that merchant, Natalie merchant, got snippy with the crowd because they weren’t paying attention to her, and then they had a press conference, and then Mike Mills, in the band did, don’t go back to rockville. I mean, it was insane. But then Jim got up and sang, and I’m like, he’s gonna sing, yeah, he did lawyers, guns and money. I you’ll appreciate this since Jim died, and as we record, it’s been about a week since Jim died. I found the video that I shot up against the stage of him sitting in the chair singing Tom Petty’s not a hit song, a song called something big, great, great song, downbeat, Song kind of dark, kind of ominous, mid range, petty, and he’s sitting smoking a cigarette, singing something, something big. And I have the video. I put it up on my Facebook. Go watch it. It’ll make you want
Bob Kravitz 29:29
to listen to Tom Petty. If nothing. All right, sounds good. I always want to listen to Tom Petty. Well, absolutely, I always want
Nestor Aparicio 29:35
to talk sports with you. Bob, put the mask. Be playing any air hockey, any bubble hockey, any hockey.
8Bob Kravitz 29:40
Nothing, nothing. I am completely retired to sell her, giving away my equipment 10 years ago was one of the most painful ordeals ever. But no, no more, no more, big five holes on this guy. I’m I’m done giving up bad goals.
Nestor Aparicio 29:56
Alright, well, you know, we could you. I’m telling you, move on to air. Hockey. Move on the video game, huh? Do something like that, or just the Stanley Cup Finals.
Bob Kravitz 30:04
I’m at the pickleball age. Are you kidding me? That
Nestor Aparicio 30:08
8didn’t happen to me yet, and ain’t gonna happen to me yet. I’m gonna keep away from that. I am on the hot yoga mat. Everyone knows that my thanks to our friends at Planet Fitness for keeping me in shape. Kravitz is so out of shape he can’t figure out how to work his camera. That’s my body right there. Next time I get you on, we’re going to talk some football. Football season. Bob Kravitz is out in Indianapolis. My appreciation to him for incredible memories of Jim Irsay. And I’d even bring in six little Bob Dummy, which I now have back in my possession after Nacho Mama’s closed down. So we still keep the Baltimore Colts flame burning around here, even if, even if it’s a Baltimore Ravens flame. At this point, it’s been 40 years. It’s been 40 years. And for some people, they’re not over it. I’ve been over it a long, long time, and I appreciate the history we have here. Bob Kravitz, Indianapolis, Sage reporter. You can find him in semi retirement, adult sub stacking on the interwebs. I am Nestor. We are W, N, S, T. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore, and we never stop talking Baltimore positive. I.
