Luke Jones and Nestor evaluate words and deeds of John Angelos and the lackluster Baltimore Orioles offseason after finishing a hopeful 83-79 last season.
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Luke Jones, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
What about W N S, T, Towson, Baltimore and Baltimore positive we are positively into that middle season where it’s that first Sunday, that first weekend. It’s like, there’s not even a pro bowl. There’s not even a flag football game. And we’re amidst a Hall of Fame conversations and radio row conversations here. But we have real time activities, including a new offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens, as well as the Angelo’s family coming out of its shell and meeting with selected members of the media. Luke Jones joins us now to discuss all things that are relevant and real and 2023. As we sort of gear it back up here at Baltimore positive for the spring training run. You know, look, I remember these days back at Spring Training, where you know, we’re broadcasting from the dugout, and there’s Earl Weaver, and there’s David Ziggy, and there’s Brady Anderson, or there’s Miguel to hodda, or there’s Javi Lopez or There’s Mike Flanagan, or there’s Mike Hargrove or, you know, I don’t know where we are in the cosmos of all of this and who gets taken to task because I’m stale, right. I’m still bred I’m 17 years removed from free the birds when I quite frankly cared a lot more about it and the way that people around me cared a lot more about it and the way that it said my family and before you were a part of it, but as a as a flyover, baseball Aparicio at this point, engaged with Bruce Springsteen concerts, and quite frankly, I’m coming from a baseball town. I was in Houston for a couple days last week with friends, family who go to Astros Astros stuff everywhere. And feel in that vibe that, you know, baseball, making the news in the offseason for anything, even if it’s Angelo’s is kid at this point, being crazy and doing crazy stuff. I mean, they’ve got good players. They’re a relevant franchise again, with all of these tentacles of Nashville ownership, money, future ownership dyeing owner. And even in February and March, we’re still liking them. Maybe the offense coordinator is more interesting. I don’t know. You tell me but welcome in. I want to talk some sports today and certainly want to get your feedback on Team Angelo’s. Now that lawsuits are done, and they’re gonna like, Hey, Paul, in a couple of weeks, like this should be an exciting time for baseball fans. It should be. Yeah. And
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Luke Jones 02:32
it is to a degree as I heard it, Baltimore positive.com. If you don’t have some reason for optimism, and some excitement, based on what we endured over the last four or five, six years, especially, you know that the posts book show Walter Dan do cat that crashed and burned late in 2017 18 was awful. And then obviously, they they reset everything. If you endured all of that, and you maintain some level of engagement with that product over the last three, four or five years, where that was not easy. I mean, let’s be very honest about that. Just putting aside all the off field drama, just how awful that was on a nightly basis. We’ll certainly do
Nestor Aparicio 03:16
it professionally. And thinking about doing it seven days a week when they are 12 and 29 to be 28 and 51. Like, it’s just, it became not a going concern. And it very much is again, right, it really is right. And when John Angelos is out in front of this and there’s no lease, and he’s a dishonest human and appearing human after three decades, all of a sudden, to run the thing. This should make everybody sit up and say what’s going on, at least because baseball is going to be on every night if you can find that on your cable, you know,
Luke Jones 03:53
right. But even before you get to that just strictly talking in terms of what you’re seeing on the field, certainly 2022 is a great story for the I mean, the Orioles were one of the best stories in baseball with the what 31 game turnaround that they had and finishing 83 and 79 after being a 110 plus loss team, each of the previous three full seasons. I mean, that was something to celebrate if you’re an Orioles fan, just in terms of what they had endured in recent seasons. However, all of the excitement for Adley rutschman got our Henderson, Grayson Rodriguez and continuing to have a consensus best form system in baseball, which shows that the future continues to remain bright beyond 2023. Even you look at this team. There’s plenty to be excited about. But there’s still a lot of questions. And that’s where we come back to the offseason. And that’s when we start to ask the questions of why does this team still had the 29th ranked payroll in all of baseball? No one is expecting with any level of reality that this team was going to suddenly have a 200 million Dollar payroll. We talked about that to beating the offseason. But when you’re last or next to last in the way that the Orioles were last year, as Oakland was trimming more and more payroll and getting rid of more and more players, which they continued this offseason, mind you, there was a thought that there should be some money to spend here and yes, the payroll is more than it was last year. And if the Orioles want to puff out their chest and say, Well, it’s a sizable percentage higher than it was a year ago. Technically, that’s true. But in terms of where the Orioles rank compared to even other teams that you would consider. We’re somewhere in that mid to small market tear in terms of media markets and clubs. It’s still on the very low side. So that’s why what I wrote at Baltimore positive.com Last week, you know, I’ll stand behind that. There’s absolutely reason for excitement. There’s absolutely reason for optimism. I think this is going to be a team that’s going to be really interesting to watch and I think there is much more upside for this club than there’s been in a long time. When you look at at Adley rutschman. When you look at Gunnar Henderson, when you look at Grayson Rodriguez, however, when you look at the offseason activity, it was much more about it felt much more of let’s try to duplicate what we did a year ago without putting meaningful long term investment in the Major League payroll Now, part of that is some of the younger guys that they’ve had that have been around a few years not talking rutschman and Gunnar Henderson but the Cedric Mullins the Anthony Santander is guys who have been around for a few years. Yeah, they are making more money than than they had been. So there was always going to be a natural increase in the payroll to at least a small degree. But you look at the rotation moves, okay, they signed Kyle Gibson, he replaces Jordan Lyles. They they added Cole Irvin in a trade, which I actually think was a good trade. I think he’s going to be a solid, raise the floor of the rotation kind of guy. But I keep looking at this roster. And I say, all of their upside it continues to be tied into their youngest players, which I think Adley rutschman can handle that. I think he proved that last year. But I look at Gunnar Henderson who I think the world let’s be clear about that. And Grayson Rodriguez, who so many people have watched him on a consistent basis in the minors think the world of just asking so much out of those two, which gunner has been was in the majors a month down the stretch last year, and Grayson Rodriguez has yet to make his major league debut now he wouldn’t have last year hadn’t had he hadn’t had the health issue. But those are the guys that you’re counting on for this team taking the next step. Now, the moves that they’ve made, as far as some of their veteran additions are much more guys that okay, they raised the floor a little bit. But are they making a difference of this team, taking the next step going from 83 and 79 to making the playoffs being one of those three wildcards having some semblance of of a shot to make some noise in the division race, which certainly I’m not looking at the Orioles to win the division but like to be in there be in the hunt, right? I mean, wildcard teams are generally going to be in the division hunt, at the very least. So that’s where you look at this offseason and you kind of say, Okay, what’s going on? Exactly? Oh, well, why didn’t the payroll go up a little bit more than it? Did? You know, and that’s where we get to John Angelo’s comments in Sarasota on Sunday. But, you know, he did talk to the media in person for the first time and fall of 2018, you know, the day that Mike Elias was hired, you know, he had had a couple of zooms, and in fairness, the pandemic was going on. So that was, you know, not not something that was out of the ordinary. But, uh, when he was asked about the payroll, it was foggy, foggy, I mean, he makes the comment that yeah, there’s more to spend, and they’re not there yet. But, you know, alludes to the fact that they’ll spend more but okay, what does that look like? No. And he talks about aspiring to look like teams like Tampa Bay and Milwaukee and Cleveland in terms of they’ve remained competitive. I mean, we’ve talked a lot about the race with our farm system. But at the same time, it’s fair to question well, is that your ceiling because as well as the raise of played in terms of sustaining a level of being competitive and making the playoffs, and being able to be a team that’s played in October, we’ve also talked about what’s wrong with Tampa Bay and the viability of the rays and their ballpark and their location and all these other issues that have prevented them from what taking the next step to becoming a team that can win a World Series now I get it. They made it there in 2020, the weird pandemic year. You know, I think everyone kind of, in their mind slaps an asterisk on that seasonal for a number of reasons out of anyone’s control. as it pertains to baseball people, but when you’re talking about aspiring to those teams, that’s when people start to ask, okay, well, then what’s the long term objective here? I mean, concerts are great. And wanting to improve the city is awesome. Don’t get me wrong, that not saying that community partnerships, which Angelo’s talks about aren’t important because they are, but at the same time, you know, what else is really important to people who have continued to support this baseball franchise over really over the last 3035 years where, frankly, it hasn’t had deserved a whole lot of support based on the results that they’ve given in return, winning, and being able to compete for a World Series and we’re coming up on 40 years now since the Orioles have last been in a World Series. So you know, when you’re so vague about the baseball part of the of this, and, and anyone who follows it understands NASA has an issue and the family lawsuit that now appears to be in the rearview mirror, which is good, but at the same time, you know, people still look at it and say, What the heck’s going on? So the lease, all those different things are part of that. But you saw a team that took a massive step last year, and there was a lot of excitement, and rightfully so. And people were excited to your point how excited relative to the ravens and Todd Monken. And being at this inflection point with Lamar Jackson. To me, this was a golden opportunity for the Orioles to not capture the city’s full attention because the NFL is king and Baltimore just like it’s King in any other market that has an NFL team. But I do I do come away from this offseason just feeling like wow, what a colossal missed opportunity. And that’s not to say that the Orioles stuck won’t be good. Or that’s not to say the Orioles can’t make the postseason in 2023. But did they do all that they possibly could? With a reasonable range of expectation, no elevating the payroll but not doing it too. Insane. One year, one winter increase? That’s where I look at this thing and say, No, I’m left wanting, quite frankly. And that’s where that does temper. A little bit of that excitement that is kind of natural for a baseball fan. When you’re talking about pitchers and catchers reporting and coming off of what was a really fun 2022 season. How
Nestor Aparicio 12:21
8old were you in 2006 when I did the walk out?
Luke Jones 12:24
I was that was so September of 2026. I was just almost 23 years old.
Nestor Aparicio 12:30
So you weren’t adult you were drinking thinking adult? And I know you’re gonna be pretty astute. I met you within 18 months of that and it’s now 17 years later, it’s been 17 years, I found the science 17 years I’ve counted shirts free the birth shirts from 17 years ago. The pictures the Hard Rock the walk the march, Peter Schmuck, you know all of it, right. And it’s amazing that like all these years later, the heat for me was how much they lied how dishonest they were just in general, how incompetent grossly incompetent, but on top of incompetent, how malicious they were, and how petty they were, and how everyone in the line from players, agents, owners, business people, local people, sponsors, ticket holders. Everyone saw the situation for what it was 17 years ago, and I ran in the middle of the streets and scream like it’s going to burn down. It’s going to be terrible. One day, they might not even resign a lease. Here we are 17 years later. And every single thing you just went on your five and a half minute rant about really just goes back to confidence level of ownership. Do these people know what they’re doing? And at what point will they ever know what they were doing? And when will we know it? I mean, we know Mike Elias knows what he’s doing right? I mean, we’re you know, top of class consensus baseball, America, blah, blah, blah, blah. On the field. You see these players, you see all of that, and then you’re wondering, do they know at any other point, what they’re doing? Like it like what? I don’t know what they’re selling in the offseason marketing in the offseason, TJ Brightman, the Oriole bird, these caravans they’ve done spring training, the owner pops off a couple of weeks ago on Martin Luther King day then pops off again, sort of a little bit. And like to your point, you say something about John Angeles, I don’t know he’s a real man when he wants to sit and take questions from somebody like me. I mean, like hiding and we’re going to pick the media and we’re going to do it in Florida under dude, come sit in my studio and sit down, put your feet up for two hours and let’s talk about the city and your causes. And Martin Luther King and the baseball team and commitment and what casino needs to go in and what needs to happen in the parking lot. How much money of the 600 million that you need to make the deal happen. Have you really talked to the Nashville people down there house, Tim McGraw, Joe. And you know, Garth Brooks. How are they feeling about things? How is Nashville? Do you like it down there? Why do you live down there? Things like that? Well, he wants to sit like I talked to everybody else, including Diamond Dallas Page on this program with you last week, right? Like, there’s 17 years later, I still look at this as a flyover. And doing this for a living, which is trying to help the city investigating things, talking to people asking about causes trying to fix the Preakness trying to fit you know, the Ravens has signed a lease good for them while they’re kicking media people out intimidating media people. But this Orioles thing, it still comes back to it’s 2023. And even when they’re getting some aspects, right. And they can, and the price and the cost of admission has gone up. And wherever they are with television and getting me their games to this device, where my grandchildren are going to want to need to see that write that somewhere in a lacrosse town somewhere in here. They would figure out how to do this correctly. And they’re still doing these half assed press conferences, and I was taking notes on everything you said, because I’m writing a future column this right now, Luke, but you called it foggy? That was your work? What’s foggy about this? In your mind? What’s foggy about the franchise at this point?
Luke Jones 16:26
Well, I mean, the lease and Macedon I mean, those are the state and the obvious things. Right? I’m talking in terms of if you’re because I always talk about it, there’s a range of fandom. Not every fan has the interest in keeping up to date with the mass something other than just acknowledging it exists. And it is important, and it does have an impact. But they’re not going to sit there and read court documents. I mean, that’s, you know, that that’s not what a lot of fans are going to do. My my question when you’re looking at it strictly from a baseball standpoint, and this is where I will give John Angelo’s his two in terms of he did hire Mike Elias, unlike his father, he did recognize the value in a farm system and dipping into the international market, which is slowly but surely starting to pay some dividends when you start to see some prospects that are on their radar, still a couple years away, but guys that that they’ve signed internationally and doing infrastructure, you know, improving the infrastructure and baseball ops and the
8Nestor Aparicio 17:23
security baseball guy, there’s no Yeah, absolutely did. And that’s why he does deserve credit for that. Now, that aside, acknowledging that, because any baseball fan is paying attention to these things, again, whether you’re going to get into the weeds of the details you recognize in 2023. That is part of what makes things successful. Even the teams that have the highest payrolls, do those still do those other things? By the way, his father hired Pat Gillick. His father hired Frank Wren, his father hired, you know, competent people along the way. Sometimes he screwed it up. Sometimes he couldn’t figure it out. Sometimes it was Mike Flanagan or Brady Anderson or somebody from it, you know, Rick Dempsey inside of the family tree of whatever they Tom Davis, whatever they considered to be trustworthy humans, but along the way, they have hired competent people. I think Mike Harker was a competent manager. I think Sam Plaza was a competition. I mean, I think they had competent men along the way, all men by the way. But that it takes a lot more than that, right. I mean, it takes a lot more than Oh, we drafted Adley rutschman. You know, we stunk bad enough to get him right. So it’s nice that you at least hit on a one one right is Ben McDonald sits in the booth 30 years later, in opines about being a one one, right. We have PJ star off running around here as well. But it takes more it takes so much more, like it just does. And when I talk to and I know you’ve had breakfast with, you know, a Charles Steinberg Wright, who worked here to work for Larry Lucchino and and you’ve been around the Ravens excellence, and their lack of excellence, quite frankly, at various points in terms of management, leadership, human intelligence, emotional intelligence, how much you rely on statistics and analysis and being modern and all of that. I know some people that respect John Angelo’s I’m not one of them, because I’ve seen the recent show. And if he wants to earn civic respect your move back be a part of the community backup what you say be true, be the leader be whatever the clock, haunt is out in Kansas, beyond front of it, not only when it makes you feel good, and you got Billy Joel or Bruce Springsteen in town, right like this is it’s a helicopter situation, and it’s not great ownership. But that being said, to your point, you got to celebrate that they’ve done so Some things well, well enough to get to 83 wins last year. Now the next question is what’s next?
Luke Jones 20:07
Right. And that’s where I look at this. And when you asked me what I feel is foggy beyond the off field issues that are still there until a lease is officially signed, whether it’s at the All Star break or the end of the season, I mean, you can keep talking about it, you can keep issuing statements, even with the new governor. And that’s well and good. But until there is action, they are just words at the end of the day. And that’s not to say that I don’t think there will be a lease because I, I fully expect that. But until there is it’s still part of the story and still part of that. But for me, what gets foggy beyond those off field things, which impacts the baseball team. And what happens on the field to varying degrees at varying times, is you’ve gotten to this point now, where you are at you were 83 and 79, you have this fantastic farm system. You’ve trim payroll over the last few years. And again, when they were losing 110 plus games in 2019. I wasn’t suggesting that they should go out and buy Major League Baseball players and have a big payroll at that point in time. Because what’s the difference between winning 100 or losing 110 games as opposed to 103? They stink either way. So but now you are at this point where you’re asking the question. All right. How do they take the next step? Yes, the young guys are going to continue to do a massive amount of the lifting, if not all of the heavy lifting. However, this to me and I even talked about this some last year and it may be if they did it last year, they win more than 83 games. Who knows it’s revisionist history, you know, hindsight being 2020 but certainly this offseason, how do you take the next step? You’ve saved on payroll over the last three, four or five years including in the midst of a pandemic, which was kind of an odd statement that that he made on Sunday talking about the timing of the pandemic with with them going through the massive rebuild that they were going he’s an
Nestor Aparicio 21:55
odd fellow? Yeah, sure. Sure. He’s a billionaire skaters born off amis. I mean, I just watching it like there’s never been anything normal about it. And sit thrift said to me, at balls an introvert it was an introvert. Well, now he needs to be extroverted. And I think part of all of this stage show with his media bunkies that he wants to bring in and allow in an invite down to Florida, you know, without socks and sandals to talk about issues up there in the city where it’s cold, like the notion that they’re trying to get a least on this is his best foot forward. He’s trying hard, right? I mean, just the fact that he sat down with people he’s trying this week to at least move public opinion maybe not on me but on others that he’s going to be getting this money from the state and fix things up and make it nice under the guise that they’re going to allow him in the family to keep the team when dad dies right like at the nub of it all at the at the at the crossroads of all of it Luke it’s it’s that he’s fighting to keep the team in a way that were David Modell was resigned to the fact that he just wasn’t going to own the team that the finances the league who he was where he is. I don’t gather the John’s there. I gather that John goes to bed every night thinking John’s gonna own the Orioles the rest of his life and Baltimore and that that like, and that’s gonna be a battle unto itself, right? Like, it doesn’t feel like they’re fixing to sell this team or cheapening it down, or, or getting a better deal for the next owner. That that’s the really complicated part of the Rubik’s cube here, that entails Mr. Learners family who passed away last week, they’re trying to get rid of that team, the mass of money, dude, this is not even checkers, chess. This is Stratego. This is a different level of what’s going on here. And what I see from him in these, this guy hasn’t appeared in 25 years for anybody. He’s shown up on my timeline, you know, three times in three weeks now. And they’re looking to get to the marriage of whatever the deal is, under the notion that I think he thinks he’s keeping the team. And that is, that would be news to every other astute person I’ve talked to within the industry that thinks that John Angelos is really going to own this team. 510 Whenever this lease, they bake the cake on the lease that his family’s going to be a part of this. There’s always been a thought within baseball that some other family would own this team. But do they’ve been saying that since? Nason was born 18 years ago, 19 years ago, and
Luke Jones 24:40
8I mean, certainly you’re more you’re better versed with capital gains. And you know, with Peter, as far as
Nestor Aparicio 24:50
well, no one knows what Peter’s will or
Luke Jones 24:53
right well, in the same way that you don’t know about anyone, right? I mean, when you’re ticketed, when you’re called home, you’re called home I mean, but You know, just all the layers to that, that again, there are people that are far better versed in that than me. But certainly based on the way he spoke on Sunday, he did not give off any kind of an impression that he’s looking to sell now or anytime in the near future. Now, there are certainly there’s a range there. I mean, the family owns what roughly 70% of the club, they could sell a portion of the club, he could remain CEO, you know, as long as they have a controlling interest. So So there are a lot of scenarios that still play out. But it still begs the question, and this kind of goes back to remember what I said, all the off field stuff, but then that’s related to what happens on the field of you know, so many people have talked about their payroll, and even this offseason with them not having spent a whole lot wondering if that was related to potentially selling at some point in the near future. But if they’re not, then that begs the question even more. Well, no, why wasn’t there a little more money put into the major league payroll this offseason, in terms of no one’s saying, realistically speaking, going out and signing Jacob deGrom? I mean, I was just reading some stuff over the weekend that people think the Rangers were insane to give Jacob deGrom the deal that they gave him based on the health issues he’s had the last couple of years, Carl, was the Ray had three or four deals that were insane. Sure, well, sure, sure. But but the point is, they didn’t they didn’t go out and get a someone viewed as a top half of the rotation starter, let’s say they didn’t go out and get a middle of the order bat, you know, instead, it was moves around the edges moves around the margins, which, again, not saying that some of these guys they brought in will help them but are those the guys that are putting getting them over the hump, so to speak? No. And that’s where I say it continues to be on the back of Adley rutschman, and Gunnar Henderson and Grayson Rodriguez and go down the list of all the other guys that we’ve come to know a little bit over the last couple of years, but with Angelo saying what he said in terms of giving off no kind of an era era of looking to sell anytime soon, or to scale back, that the Angelo’s family’s involvement in any way. It’s what it does beg the question of okay, you’ve gotten to this point. And yeah, I’ll give you credit for hiring Mike Elias, and making the commitments in other elements of baseball operations that were woefully neglected for a long, long time. I mean, you go back to even the 90s when you talked about it, their farm system still wasn’t in good shape. They just spent a lot of money
Nestor Aparicio 27:25
back like you’re giving them credit for this. And I literally just wrote as a note, like, you do know Paul McCartney and Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen been playing baseball status for 20 years, right? The other Stadium on the continent, so to act like we have an academy now, and we have scouts in places where he’s requisites,
8Luke Jones 27:43
they were supposed to be requisites, right. They were supposed to be there all along, let’s
Nestor Aparicio 27:47
give them credit for getting back to like, baseline level for crying out loud, the tan, and they’re talking about Tampa Bay as being somebody with Spike the Yankees and the Dodgers in red. They play to, you know, they’re still in the league.
Luke Jones 28:01
No, I understood, but at the same time, I want to be objective and fair about it, too. And the elements of this organization that we complained about for a long, long time. I mean, talk about the farm system, it dried up in the 80s. I mean, even before Peter Angelos bought the team, this farm system and really dried up compared to where it was in the 60s in the 70s. Let’s be honest to Altobelli Oh, complaints I will give credit in. Yeah, I mean, right, exactly. He didn’t last very long after 83 Because it all dried up at that point. But my point is with that is lots of teams recognize that, but they still don’t execute it. Well, there are still teams that have lousy farm systems. How much have we talked about? We don’t even live in Los Angeles or anywhere close or on the other side of the country? And how much have you and I mentioned, at least in passing, how the angels have wasted Mike Trout and Shohei Otani. Why? Because they’ve had a lousy farm system, and they haven’t been able to put a good enough team around them, because you can’t just have two players and expect to win meaningfully. So I will give them that credit. But to your point, and I agree. Yeah, let’s not I don’t want this to be a case of giving credit means that John Angeles in the end, the organization, just patting himself on the back and say mission accomplished 83 and 79 is not mission accomplished. 83 and 79. In my mind, and my expectation and I’m not talking out of turn here I’m not talking like any different than any fan would, at this point should be a step a stepping stone to next being competitive. And my question is then is okay, being competitive and making the playoffs is great. And we’ve talked about this a little bit with the Ravens over the last 10 years Right? You know, they haven’t had these three and 13 kind of seasons but they have two playoff wins over a decade. So you know, different sport, different economics, all of that. No one’s questioning the Ravens wanting to win but with the Orioles. It’s a case of okay, you’re at this point now. Got a good start. system, you have a low payrolls, that should mean flexibility that you can go out and spend smart, wisely, intelligently, but spend and augment what you have. Why was it more done? And to your point
Nestor Aparicio 30:11
8where the GJ heart is where it is where, where’s that? Exactly? Where’s that coming from? From 10 years ago, right?
Luke Jones 30:19
And let me say this and my final thought on it is, if it’s not that, then at the very least, give me a show of good faith and go extend Adley rutschman Then go extend Gunnar Henderson then. And at least if you’re not going to spend on outside free agents, these these special young players that you have signaled to me they’re going to be around for the long term because in my final thought on Tampa Bay, as great as they’ve been in building a farm system and being competitive, they’ve also cycled players in and I think that’s a big reason beyond the location and in the lousy stadium that is Tropicana Field at all that is their fans don’t have anyone to identify with because those guys are there for 234 maybe five years, with a couple of exceptions, and then they’re gone and they just cycle players in and out so if you’re telling me that’s the model for the Orioles, then I don’t know what the ceiling is there but it doesn’t feel like it’s having a great chance to win a World Series you know, on a multiple year kind of basis. So that’s where it’s foggy for me in terms of what does the next step look like? Because it felt like a half measure this offseason and that’s where some of my excitement for 2023 is really tempered.
Nestor Aparicio 31:35
Hey man, don’t play me we’re talking baseball look John series Baltimore, Luke, you can find him out on the interwebs and of course spring training not around the corner of spring training is here and we’re gonna have real games coming up very soon. We are doing still some radio row programming here we’re gonna get back out on the Maryland crab cakes were presented by the Maryland lottery judge with our friends at window nation about window nation shirt on you buy two you get two free two years 0% financing that’s 866 90 nation make sure you’re checking them out as well. I’m gonna have some new scratch offs because of Maryland lotteries. 50th anniversary on the third we’re going to be drug city in Dundalk. And on the eighth we’re going to be fadeless in Lexington market. Yes, the old fatally still there may be one last crabcake in some fried oysters. So stay with us. We’re gonna be doing some football obviously new offensive coordinator Todd Monken. Luke is out of Baltimore positive we’re out together with wn St. Out on the Twitter thing. I am Nestor he is Luke we are wn st am 1570, Towson Baltimore. We never stopped talking. Oh, real baseball.
