What is the future of Preakness and Pimlico as the big transition begins?

Sure, David Richardson runs the Greenmount Bowl in Hampstead where duckpins are readily available but whenever Nestor returns to Carroll County he summons the Executive Director of the Maryland Thoroughbred Horsemen Association to educate all of us on the changing state of Pimlico, Preakness and horse racing in Maryland.

David Richardson discussed the future of Pimlico and horse racing in Maryland with Nestor Aparicio. They highlighted the upcoming demolition of Pimlico and the construction of a new facility, expected to be completed by 2027. The new Pimlico will feature a 5,000-seat grandstand and a year-round racing facility in Sykesville, Maryland, to house 1,200 horses. Richardson emphasized the need to attract the Derby winner to the Preakness and explored potential scheduling changes, including moving the race to Sunday. They also touched on the importance of local ownership and management post-Stronach Group.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Preakness, horse racing, Pimlico, Laurel Park, Maryland racing, Stronach Group, Sykesville, training facility, environmental issues, zoning issues, NBC partnership, Fox partnership, Triple Crown, Maryland Jockey Club, community engagement.

SPEAKERS

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David Richardson, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T, am 1570 task, Baltimore. We are Baltimore, positive. We are positively here at Green mount station in Hampstead, I have the Back to the Future scratch offs. The Maryland lottery puts that on the road to eat. We call it the crab cake tour. Singular, David Richardson just saw me eat two crab cakes. So it’s the crab cakes tour, and they are delicious up here at Greenmount station in Hempstead. We’re gonna have the show back on the road. We’ll be at faetleys Next Friday. We’re doing 16, maybe 17. I got another spot crab cake tours this summer. We’re starting things off up here. And really a homeland for me, I’ve had all sorts of football players up here. Future Hall of Famers, current Hall of Famers. The last show we ever did up here. We had Sam Cook’s last appearance. He lives down the road here, beautiful Carroll County, God’s country, as I say. But David Richardson, he’s from the other part of God’s country. He is up right underneath the Twin Towers, Dundalk and gray Manor, right around the corner from where I grew up, Colgate. He is an East Side guy. He always I’m a Cray Manor guy. So that tells me I’m an East Point guy. He is the proprietor of all things green mount bowl. They are next door. We’re at Green mount station here. The OTB is, I’m literally touching the wall here, along with the Athletics Hall of Fame at the North Carroll High School. So come on up to Carroll County. Enjoy yourself. Bowl a little bit. You got a Taylor Swift dance off going. We

David Richardson  01:25

do? We do. It’s in July. I think it’s the second Saturday in July. So I’ve got a whole summer full of theme nights coming up. Is that car shake it off as well? I kind of like that though. Well, maybe we can rebrand it, but no Taylor Swift night, I’m telling you, pack, pack the house every single year. We never try to do two a year. Nobody night starts with country. Nobody

Nestor Aparicio  01:46

should hate on Taylor Swift. I mean, come on, be nice to Taylor. Look.

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David Richardson  01:49

They love her. They love her. They they line up to get in and, you know, and it’s the young girls to the, you know, 40 year old moms, and they all dress up. And it’s, it’s better with our with our big video wall over there. It’s better than being at the concert, because you’re right up there, right up close. I began

Nestor Aparicio  02:06

the day today saying that I would never play pickleball. I had Justin Drummond from Planet Fitness on all summer long. 14 to 19 year old kids go to Planet Fitness free all summer. It’s their summer pass. I’ve been talking about that, and I said there are things I’m willing to do, not willing to. I’m not going to play pickleball. My back, you know, I have the back thing going on l4 both getting all three ultimate. So like anything that, like I was a catcher, and I do squats now in yoga, so I’m strong to do that. But like anything that involves golf, swinging in a batting cage, I’m not going to do the one thing that I would like to do, that I don’t think my back, I would hurt my back, if a couple of Advil and maybe a little loosening it up, is I’d like to duck pin bowl again.

David Richardson  02:50

Well, how’s that finger? That finger gonna work out? Okay.

Nestor Aparicio  02:55

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Okay. You remember that story?

David Richardson  02:56

Remember that story? I don’t want a 10 pin. I want a duck pin. Well, let’s make it happen, huh? Let’s make it duck pins. Over there, yeah, it’s Hampton. I’m a duck. I’m a Dundalk guy. What do you think? Well,

Nestor Aparicio  03:08

everybody in the east side says they closed down Patterson then they reopened. Closed down Patterson side, Alice

David Richardson  03:14

companies, bowling alley. My father worked at Bethlehem fair. I know that’s what’s going on, but that’s where I grew up. I was, that was, you know, probably four years old when I started bowling East Point bowling. My father worked at Bethlehem Steel. That’s what everybody did on Sunday nights. We went to

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Nestor Aparicio  03:29

East Sunday night. So we were, that’s why I bowled sound. I would get up watch Super Friends on Saturday morning, and then I would go over and I would get bowling alley pizza proper crinkle cut french fries that you can still get a pizza John’s in Essex, and then we would have that red fruit punch, and they put into the big thing there. And the original machines, you know, I remember play Pac Man, play asteroids, Space Invaders, chase girls. That’s why we

David Richardson  03:54

bought that. But we could not see another duck pin bowling alley go the way of the dodo bird. I mean, we’ve already lost two this year. Glenn Bernie the Glen Burnie duck pin bowling alley that close. What I think that last day was

Nestor Aparicio  04:06

dunk pin bowling. Can’t survive

David Richardson  04:08

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England, surviving here. I will tell you that we’re, we’re doing really well. I got

Nestor Aparicio  04:14

to come up and bowl then. I mean, like, literally, if it’s about supporting you and keeping you my work,

David Richardson  04:19

we’re keeping it going. If it’ll be nowhere else, it’ll be still be up here. And I’m not convinced

Nestor Aparicio  04:23

I’m ever going to swing a tennis rack. And again, I love tennis. I’m not going to fall in love with pickleball, so I’m not going to play it. Yeah, I do like swinging a baseball bat, but I’ve done enough of that. And golf now, but, but bowling, I’m missing that at the lane, you know. And it’s not as much about

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David Richardson  04:42

the bowl, and that’s why we try to do things a little different. It’s more about the social aspect of things tonight, you know. And that’s what we don’t have that much. There’s not an environment, especially ever since COVID, you know, we built such a good community over there. It’s more about just going, hanging out with your friends, having. Beer. The bowling is kind of secondary. But, you know, we just built a anybody

Nestor Aparicio  05:05

like bowl a perfect game over there go eight frames. There has never

David Richardson  05:08

been a perfect game in duck pin bowling, ever, ever. There’s never been a 300 game. Never, really, never, never. No, it’s that hard to do. That hard. Everybody thinks a lot of easy game. It’s like easier, it’s easier to do, it’s easier to throw the ball. But if you think, if you got a duck pinball, you go right through the middle, a 10 Pin Ball is huge. You’re not going to chop right through the middle, but we have duck pin and temp, and we’re half and half. It’s 12 duck pins, half temp, half 10 pins.

Nestor Aparicio  05:36

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I picked up a 710 split one time in duck pin. So that’s really, that’s tough. You have to go, that’s not Yeah, but I did it once in my life. Yeah, I did. I mean, I’ll brag about it 40 years later, but I did a lot of duck pin bowling. I mean, like I bowled your ball to 45 when everybody here and I did pin land years and years ago. I did my charity challenge. Yeah, I just had an idea play went on, huh? All right, if I knew a guy who had a duck pin bowling alley, David Richardson is here. We’re Greenmount station next to Greenmount bowl. Yeah, look, I like talking bowling with you. We can talk gambling and OTB as I’m touching the wall here. But what I really brought you here to talk about was your involvement in horse racing. And last time you had me up, we had an unbelievable conversation with Alan foreman. We did a good hour and a half, two hours. So Chris brought crab cakes over for us. I told you how good the crab cakes were. Yeah, you just didn’t know. You still

David Richardson  06:36

fry them, though. I tell you you should burrow these crab cakes Ness I mean

Nestor Aparicio  06:42

that plates empty, I know, and it’s because I enjoyed I’m still stuck in my teeth because I fried it horse racing industry. Don’t be mad at me. Don’t be mad at me. All right. No, no, I’m still friends, right? I did not go to the Preakness. Oh, well, what happened was, what had happened? I fried my board, so I have my alessis old school radio board here. I went out to the Maryland party, which a lot of people do, by the way, at the win with Howard Perlow and a bunch of developers and other business and political leaders. And so I went out a little early. Sammy Hagar was involved. So Sammy Hagar played on that Saturday night. So I did go out a little early, but the Preakness and horse racing and the track, you know, my dear friends at Costas open this week in simonia. That’s exciting. And really it’s exciting. I’m gonna be doing the show over there first week of July. And you know, their family to me, Mr. Costas, bless his soul. And and there’s an example I just name dropped the Costas family, and anything you would know about them if you ever have been to CASAS and Dundalk and you peed in the main restaurant, the entire back wall is nothing but horse racing winner photos of this great

David Richardson  07:53

guy, fantastic guy, and what happened with him was just a shame. Well, and you’re

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Nestor Aparicio  07:57

from Dundalk. I’m from over there. Ronnie Franklin, you know, whatever. I mean, we didn’t grow up with horses in the backyard. I certainly didn’t grow up a bookie on my street or anything like that, either. But the the nature of horse racing being a part of the Maryland culture, a part of my background, your background, things we’ve talked about and trying to build a race back up. We’re going down to Laurel now. Let’s just go soup to nuts. I’m not going to do an hour. We’ll do 1520 minutes on this. But I want you to give me like I’m from out of state, like, if I’m not from around here, move to Baltimore. I hear there’s a race. I hear there’s a track. I hear there used to be a thing here. What do people need to know about what’s coming and what is and what the dilapidated facility that we saw on television a couple weeks ago. They were all a little wistful about, but a little embarrassed by. We all know it’s time. It’s kind of gone. You’re kind of not in charge of it, but you’re you got a piece of the action. Sure you what I’m getting here for my listeners is authoritative information. Tell everybody

David Richardson  08:59

what you do? Yeah, no, what I do. I’m the Executive Director of the Maryland thurbert Horseman’s Association, which are like when I’ve told Ness in the past, we’re kind of like the Players Association. That’s the good, the best way to equate what we do here,

Nestor Aparicio  09:12

not the jockeys, though, you say the Players Association. I’m thinking everyone that touches the horse or owns the horse correct, or has a piece of the horse in any way except the jock, correct, so the people that rub down the horse, Eve veterinary, I know now, we’re

David Richardson  09:29

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all part of one community, the horse racing. It’s a community here in Maryland. That’s what’s a little bit different in in Maryland, you know, a lot of the other states are very transient, and we, you know, in Maryland, we’ve got a year round industry, you know, we really, really do we race from January to December every single year. You know, horse race, the Preakness is our premier event. Preakness is as ingrained in our community, our heritage or culture as duck pin. Bowling is as the as crab cakes as the. Of Orioles. I mean, it’s a part of who we are, and that’s kind of, you know, what we’re in the midst of right now. It’s going to be a total rebirth of the, you know, Preakness, of the whole Maryland racing industry. And that was the difficult challenge that we had as, you know, we’ve, we’ve raced at Laurel and Pimlico. Pimlico is only on a small little piece of property. That’s kind of the challenge that we’ve had. This doesn’t have the barn

Nestor Aparicio  10:30

area, the stable area,

David Richardson  10:32

not enough, not enough. The Pimlico property is only about 100 acres. And, you know, it was very important. It is very important. It is very important. It’s very important to the state of Maryland that Preakness stays within the Park Heights in the Baltimore community. But that facility just can’t house the entire Maryland racing industry to sustain it from July or, I’m sorry, from January to December. So we had to creatively figure out, how do we, you know, rebuild these facilities, the Laurel Park facility, which is owned by the Stronach group, first racing that piece of property is worth a fortune. You got to think where it is in the dynamics of Maryland. It’s

Nestor Aparicio  11:15

that will not be a racetrack 10 years from now.

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David Richardson  11:18

No, no. I mean, the goal is to the Preakness has run. So I believe within the next few days, the power at Pimlico is getting cut off. The property is getting turned over to Clark construction, and they’re going to demolish really everything, aside from the racing oval. Ya know, it’s within weeks. Within weeks, I mean, well, this is timely. I appreciate you coming. Yeah. No, no, no. So that whole property will totally be leveled. I’m sure you’ve seen some preliminary drawings online. If not, you can go to the Baltimore Sun and you can just Google it. You can see some preliminary drawings still a work in progress, but the demolition is going to take place first. But in conjunction with that, we you just can’t rebuild Pimlico. We have 1000s, you know, about 1000 other horses that have to sustain Maryland racing year round. So you have to have a home for those, those horses as well. And that’s why, when

Nestor Aparicio  12:12

I was with you, is about two years ago, with Alan foreman, this was all about to go into action. We’re about a year, yeah, a little over a year into the momentum of getting a fork in the ground. Yep, right there. Do we know what this structure is?

David Richardson  12:30

Yeah, no, like I said, you can go one, it’s all, but you can go see it. You can go see it. You know, it’s still, it’s still a work in progress as to what it’s going to look like. But there are some, some drawings out there as to what it’s going to look like. It’s going to be five different drawings, in my mind, totally rebuilt grandstand itself. And, you know, a lot of the Preakness facilities are going to be built out like they do now, intense, you know, in the in these tent structures. So there’s going to be the infrastructure there to build out on these larger events, but a grandstand area that’s going to sustain racing, not just for Preakness, but for the rest of the year, is that 5000

Nestor Aparicio  13:09

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seats, 3000 seats. You know, I’m not 100% I think a lot of this is about having outdoor grassy area that is more like what the beer deck of Camden Yards exactly you’re more like and younger people prefer that, and that’s what they prefer Del Mar and these other traction racing, right? Horse

David Richardson  13:28

racing is even more to the fact. You know, in in baseball, they’re taking out just physical seats. People don’t want to go to an event and just sit at the seat for a few hours and watch and watch the event. They want to circulate around, working with populous, which is the the former H Okay, the company that actually built Camden Yards, yeah, they’re the architects for this project. And horse racing, especially, people want to walk around and engage and go into the paddock and watch the horses. And so it’s going to be built in a way that people can just circulate around, and it’s more of an event day. So so that project’s already started. Like I said, the demolition is here, starting in the next few weeks. But in conjunction with that, in order to sustain year round racing, you have to house about 1000 horses, maybe probably close to 1200 horses. We have to maintain, or house year round, there’s not enough room on the Pimlico footprint, there’ll probably be only enough room to house maybe 300 horses, 350 horses or so at Pimlico. So we need another facility. Unfortunately, the Laurel facility. There’s a lot of environmental issues with Laurel. There’s a lot of zoning issues. I mean, laurels well over 100 years old. It’s, it’s, it’s as dilapidated the bones and the structure of the racetrack in the facility as Pimlico was. Pimlico looked terrible in the face. Laurel was cleaned up to look pretty good. But as far as the the infrastructure that more money was put into Laurel in the last in my time. I mean, last year, yeah, I saw the Laurel when they first had the betting parlor and the casino, and then, like all that, the thoughts of who’s good on the inside, but the bones. I mean, the facility itself is well over 100 visit. It is what it is. It’s crumbling, yeah. So, so we need our year round racing will be a Pimlico, so that’ll be where we race from January to December every single year. But we have to house more than the 300 horses that Pimlico will be able to sustain. So that’s where we actually picked a site in Sykesville, Maryland. It was the old shamrock farm, which was actually owned by the Steelers Art Rooney. He owned it was a thoroughbred racing farm, thoroughbred racing here in Carroll County, absolutely by It was owned by the Rooney family. They were getting out of the business. So we actually had a good opportunity to acquire that property. There’s already been an authorization from the Board of Public Works to acquire that property, and the goal is, with the the rebuilt Pimlico, to also open a a training facility that that we will build from the this would

Nestor Aparicio  16:10

offset the problem with the acreage correct at Pimlico, that really, horses can’t live there stable, just because

David Richardson  16:17

you just don’t have the room. You just don’t have the I mean, ideally, it would be great to have a racetrack that houses 1200 horses, but because of the footprint of Pimlico, they just all

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Nestor Aparicio  16:26

won’t tell me about this space out here. How big is the space? It’s a

David Richardson  16:29

good 600 or so acres. The state has is going to acquire a portion of that property, and we’re still in the early planning stages of that right now, but it’ll probably house about 800 or so horses, plus the infrastructure that goes along with it, the the workforce that goes along with it, it’ll be a real boon to the local economy. There. Just for big thing for Carroll County, yeah, it really is. I mean, just for the the hay, the feed, the straw, the amount of ancillary businesses that will support that training center, it’s, it’s going to be huge. It’s going to be good for the for the state’s economy, and it’s and it’s an agricultural I tell people, better for the animals. It’s going to be more open. When you’re at a race track, you’re you’re kind of crammed in there. It’s basically going to go into be a farm with a racetrack, you know? And but

Nestor Aparicio  17:16

we’re not buoy after buoy close, and we’re going on 40 years for that. That was a true facility. Buoy was fair. Hill is too I never went to buoy after it closes a track, but I used to fly. And you could see it when you’re flying over BWI, you’d look down and say, that used to be buoy, yeah. And you’d see the track and the stands were gone, but you can see where it was.

David Richardson  17:36

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Buoy was an option to do the training facility. It was a quite a long drive from Bowie up to Pimlico. But there’s also a lot of environmental challenges with buoy.

Nestor Aparicio  17:45

Bring those beautiful equine creatures out here to Carol. Can we let him graze? So

David Richardson  17:49

it’s a nice it’s a nice, short drive. So the for the most part, the horses will be based at, aside from the 300 or so they could be based at Pimlico, horses will be based at the training facility in, I say Sykesville, I guess that’s winfields,

Nestor Aparicio  18:04

but not Eldersburg. I guess you could say

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David Richardson  18:06

Eldersburg too. It’s in that area, but, but No, it’ll be, it’ll be doing a

Nestor Aparicio  18:12

show at 1623, by the way, next month. There you go. Well,

David Richardson  18:14

I’m thrilled, because, look, I’m a Carroll I’m a Carroll County guy. We’ve got the bowling alley, we’ve got the OTB. I mean, I’m as Carroll County as it comes, you know, a transplant from Dundalk, transplant from Dundalk. But, yeah, I’m definitely a Carroll County guy, and I’m proud to have it. I would have, would have loved to have it here in Hampstead. Unfortunately, we couldn’t find a partial land close by here in Hampstead, but, but no, it’s a beautiful piece of property. And, you know, it’s a piece of property that it, hey, I’d rather have that piece of property as it’s not going to be a ratio, it’s going to be a training facility, then that a housing development or something like that. You know, it’s something that supports agriculture and supports 1000s of jobs in this, you know, in the state. So it’s, I think it’s a win. It’s a win for Maryland, it’s a win for the Preakness, it’s a win for Carroll County.

Nestor Aparicio  19:02

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All this stuff takes time, though, right? We’ve been talking about this for 10 years. Well, you and me were two years ago, and it feels like five minutes down the line,

David Richardson  19:12

and this isn’t happening anyone. Nestor is happening nowhere else in the country. It really is well, and

Nestor Aparicio  19:17

also it was 25 years and I go back to the broken tote board and punch in the horse and the running of the urinals and what, you know, the Belinda Stronach turning it into a, you know, a debutante ball, and Bruno Mar, Just all the iterations of what Preakness was. Preakness is the centerpiece of all of it, and sort of the why behind a lot of this, and yet, the industry has decided on its own that the Preakness isn’t that important. And that was my thesis with Donna brothers four weeks ago. That’s my thesis with Dick Girardi, when I bring him down for Philly or I’m talking to any of the old. I had Randy Moss on a couple weeks ago, just the concern that, if the Derby winner is not at the Preakness, is it a Preakness? What are we doing? And aside from all of your leg work, aside from all the Carroll County, the state of Maryland, everybody here trying to get their act together, to get Pimlico together, to get the Preakness together, and my Costas buddies doing the Timonium thing, and otbs popping up, and all of that. Preakness has to have the Derby winner. Man. It has to like, like, this triple crown thing. Y’all got to get in the room and pray and get the Churchill billionaires in the room with the naira billionaires and whoever’s running the show here, and whoever the foxes and the NBC and whoever they are, and say, if we’re gonna have a sport of kings, we you know, like, let’s go. And

David Richardson  20:49

we’ve got the opportunity to do things differently with this, with the with the opportunity we have in front of us. Sharonic is out as soon as the new Pimlico is built, the Maryland Jockey Club is transition from a foreign company. Stronach is a is a Canada is based in Canada. They don’t really know the heritage and the culture here in Maryland. I think that’s kind of where some of the disconnect was gonna hang out here to figure that out. Yeah. I mean, we’re different as you know, we’re different here. David Rubenstein, we’re not talking California, we’re not Florida, we’re Baltimore. And it’s, it’s a different culture here, especially horse racing wise. So it was tough for these guys, and I don’t fault them. I think they, they’ve, they’ve tried their best, but it was a group from from Florida and from Canada that came in and ran the Preakness, and it just give it to them.

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Nestor Aparicio  21:42

They’re not spending money on players the way baseball has done it. They spent money. It just

David Richardson  21:47

didn’t work. So but now they’re out. Once the new Pimlico was built

Nestor Aparicio  21:53

the Maryland Jockey Club. When is that? When’s the new Pimlico built? The

David Richardson  21:57

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plan right now is we’re going to be at Laurel next year, the Preakness is going to be run at Laurel. So that’s 26 the stadium authority, populous, everybody swears that 2027 Preakness will be held at the new Pimlico. It may not be completely finished. We may be in all tense but I would say we’re almost 99% sure that the new Preakness will or the 2027 Preakness will be. It’s only one you’re trying to get away with. Only one. Yeah. So it’s going to be a little bit challenging to get there, but once that happens, when the new Preakness is held at the new Pimlico, that’s going to be managed by all local folks. It’s no outside company, no Stronach group. The board of directors for this new nonprofit entity was just appointed. It’s a nine person board, all local business people. It’s going to be run by Marylanders, for Marylanders, and we have the opportunity to maybe address some of these problems. I mean, one of the biggest problems that affects the Preakness is the scheduling. You know, back 100 years ago, it was no big deal to run a horse every two weeks. Now it’s unheard of to really run a stakes quality horse every two weeks. That’s why we can’t really get the the derby horse, because it’s, it’s, you’re the Derby winner. It’s, it’s too tough when the horses to run every two weeks. So we do have the opportunity to maybe look at some new television contract. Commissioner

Nestor Aparicio  23:24

Richardson, what if you could do? What? What would happen? Give me the pathway to make it better? If you’re God, look,

David Richardson  23:33

I think there’s some opportunities. We’ve had a great partnership with NBC, but also there’s Fox out there as well.

Nestor Aparicio  23:40

And NBC screw with the time of it to accommodate hockey. They do. I was at Las Vegas that night, and they throw a party white for Taylor’s doing a big party. And the timing of it’s different, because, like, we’re thinking, well, they run that race about 515 530 and then it was 615 you know? So, like, they really have moved that back. I remember used to be like the ninth race, yeah, and they would run 13 races in a Pimlico, you know, they race all night, yeah. But no, so, I mean, we

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David Richardson  24:08

do have to look into, you’re absolutely right. We have to, we have to attract a bigger field. We have to attract the derby horse. And I think we do have to look at opportunities. And I respect the tradition, you know, I really do. I mean the Preakness and, you know, we’re nowhere without the tradition that we’ve had. But we do, it’s a different world. It’s a different industry. The animals are different. The horses are different. Now they’re bred differently, trained differently. There’s science involved. So there has to be, there has to be a hard look at really figuring out that schedule a little bit differently, even if it’s, you know, I’ve even thrown at the idea for years, even, you know, look into moving to Sunday, you know, maybe create an extra day of racing in there. And look, even if it’s just one day, I don’t think that’s enough to get the the derby horse, but I think we have, we have the ability to be creative. Creative to do things a little bit differently, because we have to sustain ourselves for the next 3040, 50 years of this, this race. And I think we, you know,

Nestor Aparicio  25:09

well, previous we’re moving a week, boom,

David Richardson  25:11

that then it’s up to Belmont. Yeah, that’s partly at some point somebody pulls the middle finger or the Jackknife out. But we have, we have the opportunity to also partner with, with New York and Belmont, and if we could somehow come up with a partnership, it’s

Nestor Aparicio  25:26

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kind of like trying to get Bob Aaron and Don Kane together, but

David Richardson  25:29

it’s doable. You know what? We can do it. I think we have to do it. We have to rely on one another, because the Triple Crown, it’s the, it’s the crown jewel of this industry. It really is. And we have to, you know, we have to look, we’re rebuilding Pimlico. They rebuilt Yankee Stadium. I

Nestor Aparicio  25:46

would say, look, Maryland has done its part, and that’s the part where, as a Marylander, if I were the governor, if I ran the track, if I were loud mouth on the radio, I’d say, hey, hey boys, you know, we, we ponied up, as we would say, right? Like, like the state finally came through and found us the solution that you’ve laid out. We’ve gotten rid of the bad eggs and the different eggs. We’re ready to go forward, but we can’t go forward without the derby horse. Come on. And

David Richardson  26:13

we have to run it like a successful business, that it’s, it’s, Oh, it’s on us as an industry itself to run this. Why does it

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Nestor Aparicio  26:21

Belmont people not want to if the Derby winner doesn’t come to the Preakness? How does that up the Belmont? Good

David Richardson  26:26

question, you know, but it’s it. But it now that Stronach is out of the picture long term here, it kind of gives us look. We’re coming into this as a blank slate. We don’t have the the baggage, I guess you know, to go to make it better for every Absolutely, that’s all I’m speaking I think we’ve got a good opportunity to do that. I can’t say that we’re gonna get x done, but, you know, we have a clean slate, and we have an opportunity to do this, do this differently. And I think I’m excited. I really am. I feel really, really good about where we’re headed. All

Nestor Aparicio  26:56

right, look, man, you planted the seed, and me doing a charity duck pin bowling event. You know, I love the sound. I love everything about

David Richardson  27:04

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Nestor. I love everything about that. We do a lot of look. We got to

Nestor Aparicio  27:08

do a light charity, Carroll County, beer bowling,

27:14

10 pin bowling. What else you need

Nestor Aparicio  27:19

to do? I’m gonna, I’m gonna send out a challenge right now. Danny Wiseman, you want some of this? You want some of this, come get some of this. Green mount bowl. Is that that good? I think we’ve got Danny. You know, Danny grew up a colt lanes, and that’s on the gray man or side of Merritt Boulevard. Even though he was on the Berkshire side and I was on the Colgate side.

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David Richardson  27:41

The rumor is they’re taking the duck pin lanes out of the old Colt lanes.

Nestor Aparicio  27:47

I’m gonna have to look into that. Yeah, somebody look into that. How many duck pin houses are left? Yes,

David Richardson  27:53

there’s not many. I’m telling you, if, how do you repair your machines? How do you order duck bins? It’s, does anybody make it’s a funny story. I want to take you back there, the the old machines. And the reason why duck pins never really expanded, the patent died with the guy who invented these machines, who was an old World War Two submarine mechanic. And you go back there and it’s literally like you’re in an old World War Two submarine. How these

Nestor Aparicio  28:20

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Is it, like the Flintstones. You got monkeys back,

David Richardson  28:24

you know, look, I’ve got the world’s best mechanic who keeps those things running. But it’s really, it’s a better come throw a party soon. I’m not, we’re gonna be, look, we’re in it for the long he going nowhere, not going as long as I’m around that place is going to be here. So these other places, but that’s that. But no, I was like, I said, we, they. We lost the duck pin house just this past weekend in Glen, Burnie. That’s done. There’s place in Hagerstown that just closed, and yeah, the duck pins were coming out of I

Nestor Aparicio  28:55

wish I could go retrieve my duck playing balls, the ones I got. I’m not gonna bowl with any house ball, you know,

David Richardson  29:05

grade with, Oh, Master logo. We can, we can hook you

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Nestor Aparicio  29:09

up. You know, Wiseman and I graduated together on the stage at Dundalk, a community college 40 years ago. Monday, wow. Well, same graduating class. So Wiseman, I’m coming to get you. I got the tell me about the gangster green mount bull rock.

David Richardson  29:24

That’s we do that every Friday. Could do that every Friday, Saturday night. Say you got duck pins and 10 pins right there. So we try to do things a little differently up here. And I’m gonna

Nestor Aparicio  29:34

make you book my friend’s band. Is what I’m gonna make you do come up here.

David Richardson  29:37

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Yes, if I had, if I had the room over there, maybe I could figure this out. Maybe, you know, when things slow down a little bit, I like to have a little bit little nightclub over there. We can host some bands.

Nestor Aparicio  29:46

We’ll have to get along in the parking lot dry. Love them after up something up here, especially all these orange crushes on the menu now, all my friends at Deep Eddy, thanks to our friends at Maryland lottery, putting us out on the road, we got 16 Maryland crab cake tours this summer. Be. Getting right here at Greenmount station today, as we get the party started. We’ll be at fade leaves next Friday. We’re going to be at readers in Reisterstown. We’re going to be at the Y in Randallstown, at the pool two weeks from now, we’re going to be at the new Costas OTB location in Timonium, first week of July, and then we’re going to be at 1623 brewing in Eldersburg, second week of July, right after the all star game. And then 27th anniversary in August, 27 of my favorite dishes in 27 days, and all roads lead back to Dundalk and an egg custard snowball. I am Nestor. We are wnst. Am 1570 Taos of Baltimore. Back for more Maryland crab cake tour. I’m two crab cakes in with my man. David Richardson. Melanie Baron is going to join us here talk about LinkedIn local as well as networking and one of my favorite places inside the city limits, the Maryland Zoo, chimpanzees, giraffes and penguins. Back for more. We’re Greenmount station. Stay with us. You.