Achtung, Baby: Violating Nirvana and the noise of the ’90s with Rob Harvilla

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Renowned music critic and author Rob Harvilla of The Ringer joins Nestor to discuss the music of Nineties and why it matters even more as we all get a little older.

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years, song, 90s, belt buckle, music, band, nirvana, teenager, rob, sports, write, work, achtung baby, ringer, love, youtube, prince, cool, baltimore, bought

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Nestor J. Aparicio

Nestor J. Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home, we are wn St. am 1570, Towson, Baltimore, Baltimore positive, I would pull my Maryland lottery tickets out and promote the crabcake tour. And all of those things we’re going to be doing next month is Luke gets ready for baseball season. We’re ready for a new owner. We get all this stuff going on. But I stop everything for rock and roll, especially when they’re not playing football games right now. And there’s no March Madness to be mad about or any of that. I would love to tell you that this segment came about honestly, but it really came about because of Blondo Miller shoulder and Todd Schuler, our dear friend here. I went to Las Vegas in in early November to see you too at the sphere and took some pictures, put some stuff up and Todd shoulder commented and I had a little comment about the album Octone baby right. I offered an official apology to John Keller, my high school chum because I didn’t love Achtung baby when it came out. sort of went through some phases with Zooropa and zoo TV and squeezing lemons and satellite dishes. And so then I fell back in love with YouTube when it was all good. We traveled the world together. We had beautiful music together and several continents. But I went to Las Vegas and on that night I apologize because I I had some YouTube isms and some soy crystals and some ultraviolet and stuff like that, but just basically apologize. And on my thread Todd Schuller said, and I quote, Achtung baby is the Joshua Tree plus violator quoted by Rob Harville. And I said well, this Rob Harvilla fella is a fellow I need to get to know of course I’m familiar with his work at the ringer. He is a Cleveland ight and a I guess a Buckeye in a in an Ohio but not really all you Ohio people stick together except when you vote please go the right way. This time. Rob Harvilla joins us from the ringer. And he writes books about the 90s and 90s music dude, I let my hair out for this. This better be good.

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01:56

As you look, it’s wonderful flowing locks. You know, it’s a great honor to me to see this Harris. If this is a rare occasion for you. I’m jealous that you saw that you went to the sphere. I did not go my parents went and told me all about it. But I did not have the pleasure of seeing the sphere in person myself. And so if that worked for you, in the end, you enjoyed yourself well guys doing

Nestor J. Aparicio  02:19

a biopic on me. So I’m kind of like looking through all these old pictures in this crazy stuff. After 25 years of doing this, you must have really cool parents. You see your parents, like you, I’d be looking at pictures of my parents. My parents camped out for ACDC tickets for us on the for those about the rock door got us tickets. So I was a music critic in the 1980s when I was 15 years old, I had a editor at the Baltimore Sun said you know, Steven Tyler’s here, take some calls. And next thing you know, I’m like three 400 by lines deep into being my own version of almost famous and all these years later, guys, like you were really doing it. I went on to sports radio superpi you know, all I really, really wanted to do was write another fast times. You know what I mean? I just the guy with Rolling Stone and you’re that guy and I Oh, you know, you do for music brother.

03:10

Well, thank you. That’s very kind of you to say when I was a teenager all I wanted to do is write for Rolling Stone that’s I went to I applied to one college here in Ohio because it was a good journalism program because I wanted to write for Rolling Stone. That was my stated ambition. I never quite made it there. You know, close enough. I think everything worked out for the best. And I still get to talk about the Smashing Pumpkins for money. You know, now and that’s that’s a pretty cool thing in and of itself.

Nestor J. Aparicio  03:38

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I got a rejection letter once from Rolling Stone. Oh, that’s all right. Yeah. I would trust it to frame it’s got to be in a box, man, you know, yeah,

03:48

I guess. So. You got to preserve preserve that for your archives, you know, when you when you give that to Princeton, you know, couple of decades from now,

Nestor J. Aparicio  03:56

what your parents think of your ambitions to basically be Cameron Crowe. Man,

04:01

they were into it. They were very supportive. And they were very kind about it. And I’m so grateful about that, in retrospect, certainly, majoring and magazine journalism in 1996 is a very intense, you know, severe choice. Like that’s not something that you can do now. I imagine, you know, I imagined that they my parents had a lot of trepidation about going into journalism, you know, and about trying to write about music for a career, but they were all they were supportive. Like I went I remember so vividly in high school. I went to like a summer writing workshop that concluded after a week with like, everybody reading their poetry, you know, that they’d written in it was all this super angsty, you know, moping

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Nestor J. Aparicio  04:47

involved. I just need to ask, Oh, that’s

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how uncool it was. That’s how uncool environment this was it it was just everybody, you know, just reading Tom Robbins, you know, and being sad, you know, and not hooking up with each other at least I wasn’t but like my parents sat there for two hours and listen to a bunch of teenagers, you know emotes you know, including me and I just I was so grateful to them in that moment for how supportive they were just being there so that you know, I they are responsible for me still being around and still doing this for better for worse hopefully for better but I’m very grateful nonetheless.

Nestor J. Aparicio  05:22

Anybody that knows my journey knows about my sports thing and you grew up with the Colts here we lost the Colts in the Mayflower I did sports radio here pretty capably for about three decades through all of it all the cow all the Ray Lewis all the like all that. And I sports became like a vocation for me and like the thing I had to do to pay my bills, love it no more about forgotten more about sports. But rock and roll makes my blood pump. And I’m 55 years old, you know what I mean? So, and it’s the one thing I’m surrounded by Pacific a belt buckles. It’s the one I don’t collect baseball cards, although I did four years ago. I have like a Supertramp and Van Halen and a BGS belt buckle. So I’m more of the disco meets Zeplin totally hairspray, everything about poison everything about guns in the 70s and into the 80s. I could be the you of that. We also we have like real hard to do that here in Baltimore. One of the points seven, who’s my buddy from hammer, I was the hammer Jack’s backstage guy. So like, that’s my era, right? And then it all I mean, I’m not literally I’m not BS in you. So I worked at the paper from 84 to 8686 to 9219 92. I left Camden Yards opened in Baltimore, name’s Aparicio. And I never really wrote another music story after writing probably 500 On every genre, you could possibly every rock star 100 hall of famers and Paul Turkey in 1991 92. And it’s right when Nirvana and Pearl Jam and it stepped in. And I still loved music. I was still a hooting the blowfish guy and like all of that chin blot like all of that, but I didn’t do it from chasing somebody get Polygram trying to get an interview and going back to like, I didn’t do it. It was cold turkey was all Mike Messina Cal Ripken football after that. But I’ve been going to concerts, and it’s my thing. I traveled the world for concerts. It’s taken me to Australia to see Bruce if they come into Europe, like but your 90s thing is just fascinating to me, because I didn’t interact with music journalism in the 90s I just interacted with the music. So seeing your thoughts about how it all melded together when you were my age when all of this other stuff happened. It really is generational, right and whatever musicals you were 18 It’s yours for life. And then you’ve chronicled it all these years later.

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That’s what I’ve come to realize is the music you love as a teenager is the music that’s going to be most important for you and like hearing Nirvana at 13 You know, versus hearing Nirvana like 23 or hearing Nirvana at 13 like 20 years later, right? Like it’s cool now. The teenagers now are still getting into nirvana or at least still wearing the T shirts right? But there there is no replacing the real time experience of I was like you I grew up on MTV on 80s MTV I loved you know, hair metal, you know, and it’s not that I stopped loving Hair Metal the moment you know, the Smells Like Teen Spirit video premiered for the first time, but I totally as a teenager bought into that narrative that like grunge killed Hair Metal. Right, you know, and like guns. But he did. Yeah, it felt that if you were watching MTV, it certainly did. But just going from Guns and Roses being the biggest band on Earth, you know, in 1990, to Nirvana being the biggest band on Earth in 1992. Like that whiplash effect, coinciding with the whiplash experience of being a teenager like there’s just there’s no replacing or replicating that, you know, whether you were born earlier or later.

Nestor J. Aparicio  09:09

Well to him being dead three years later, and the Foo Fighters still being this extension in the way wings was to The Beatles to the you know, to whatever the wings, well, yeah, Listen, I gotta go back to the original quote. This is how you I mean, literally, how you wound up on the show. I violator and Joshua Tree are probably for me. If I got on an island and only had 10 they would be to Thailand.

09:37

They were choices. Yes. Excellent choices. That’s legit.

Nestor J. Aparicio  09:42

Well, so how did the Achtung baby reference happened? I need to know this.

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09:46

Well, YouTube is an interest like I grew up listening to you too. And in the 80s you know YouTube comments, you know Heartlands arena rock right like I you know, the Joshua Tree unforgettable fire, like that’s where I got into them in my mind. I’m in my mom’s brothers love. Do you too, like my mom took me to see the zoo TV tour. You know, the Octomom baby tour. Mashu

Nestor J. Aparicio  10:08

was probably my YouTube, which is like sort of bond on a barge, and rain falling in Red Rocks, right?

10:15

That’s right. Yes. Right. Yeah, but I so it’s interesting. That experience YouTube feels like a different band in the 90s. And late October Baby is as I like a classic, you sort of universally agreed upon like Joshua Tree and Octone baby, I think our other piece as their peak for a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot of people. But I do have a lot of you know, I there’s a lot of charisma to later to 90s You too, when they get a little shaky when they go a little too far with like irony and dance music and like MTV, and like image making, you know, Zooropa and pop are like very weird records, you know, sort of uncomfortable sort of awkward, but in a way that’s really endearing for me, but something that I love about YouTube is that they have these errors, you know, they have these errors. For me personally, like what stage in my life I was in, be, you know, from my up and coming, you know, like punk rockers like post punk rockers you know, as in the Joy Division as anything else to like, on top of the world, from the Joshua Tree forward, you know, to like this weird sort of ironic dead zone where they’re not quite the cool thing anymore, but they’re still really, really trying the mid 90s. Like, it’s cool to me, how many different eras of YouTube there are now,

Nestor J. Aparicio  11:32

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I think for bands that survived that period of time. And I’m thinking to like rush because I’m a rush guy. But bands that really the beginning, the middle and the end were very, very different books very, very different sounds, different instruments, different voices, different everything with the same artists, right? Like, no other different pieces were like clap and play with everybody and Ronnie would play would you move around from band to band? These are the same humans. Just being in the different look, I saw staying with the Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra on Friday night with my wife made her very, very happy. My wife loved that. Right. I have seen sting now in the synchronicity toward the capital center with rem and 93. I’ve seen them in stadiums.

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You saw the police and REM opened up for the

Nestor J. Aparicio  12:22

police on the Yeah, the synchronicity. I looked that one up.

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I’m jealous of that I was true. In that. Yeah.

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Nestor J. Aparicio  12:29

Yeah. But so like, like, I saw all these arrows in REM is another band and they broke up into said, we’re done. And we’re out. And like, no, it’s just playing with orchestras. Now down in Atlanta, right? There’s a period for your music. We, you know, your people aren’t as old as like me. You know what I mean? Like, I’m very interested to see what the Green Days and what some of the 90s artists are leaving us as well. But like that the next chapter, to your point of what does come next for some of these artists that are John Mayer evolving, always evolving,

13:02

right. Right. Now he’s in the 80s. John Mayer is somehow evolving. You know, John Mayer is becoming dead rock in real time. But John Mayer is also you know, part of the Grateful Dead, extended universe, you know, yeah. John Mayer has a fascinating case. You know, there’s the Dave Chappelle era. You know, they’re sort of the heartthrob era, you know, there’s the bad boy era, there’s the sort of fake country, you know, you know, Cormac McCarthy era and yeah, it’s Yeah, John

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:31

Brock era, if that matters, and he took it. Yeah, that’s

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a great record. That’s a really cool record. And it’s cool, because it’s like a guy from the early 2000s, who’s reminding me of the 80s You know, but now it’s, you know, listen

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:45

to clap and journeyman, and you’d like, right into that groove the same. It’s awesome, dude.

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It’s legit. I saw that tour. And I really, really, really dug that a lot. Yeah,

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:55

I saw the tour too. And I saw it weird because like I was at the garden the night everybody got COVID So you just came out and played on Questlove came in like an Uber and saved his ass and they got up and they’re doing vultures. Rob. Orville is here. I’ve waited. Well, only six to nine. He’s not a whole lifetime. Only a half a lifetime. Madmen tell me what the ringer is just in case they don’t know. And, you know, like, like, it’s a little bit of everything now, isn’t it?

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Yeah. Well, it’s sports and pop culture. That’s what it is. The ringer is a website. You know, started by Bill Simmons. You know, the very famous sports writer, you know, culture writer podcaster Bill Simmons. So it’s a website and it’s also a pretty healthy, pretty robust Podcast Network. You know, where it’s it. It’s not 5050 Right. But it’s like half sports, you know, half culture and I am for sure. On the culture side on the music side. You know, I’ve had this podcast I’ve been doing since 2020. You know, I’m coming to it pretty late. The ringer has been around since 2016. You know, there was a site called Grantland. It was an extension of ESPN. That was sort of Bill’s first big thing. But yeah, it’s just it’s the combination of sports and pop culture. You know, the combination of a website, you know, and a podcast network. You know, we do documentaries through HBO, we got a lot of stuff happening, but I’m just hanging out here in Ohio, just trying to keep my head down. You know, and just doing my little stories about YouTube and whatnot. I’m having a great time. Here’s

Nestor J. Aparicio  15:20

something that gets me to be an old guy to do two topics here. Festivals in general, just festivals, right? Where like, you can’t pitch you can’t get in your weather related. I don’t want to be a Get off my lawn guy, but it’s not necessarily the way I want to experience music. And I don’t need to be up on top of it or, but it feels like these festivals. I don’t do most of them. I mean, it would take I mean, if the weather were perfect in Ocean City last year, Sheryl Crow, they they would meet Dave it would have gotten me, but the weather wasn’t. You know, it doesn’t need to be 72 Sunny, but it just needs to be comfortable to be out 12 hours I don’t do rain and cold. So that is one topic and the other one is etiquette and one sort of leads to the other because festivals are a party and whatever, whatever lawn seats, I am so effing frustrated with spending a lot of money. I had eight of the nastiest Drunkest 55 year old women yelling at me at a toto concert Rob Arvilla grinning at me during ballads edit. I don’t understand, like, get a different drug. But but people just people who talk during concerts like that and we fix this man. You have proud dude, you have straight grew I I don’t

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know that I do. I can’t make the ladies at the TODO concert Shut up. If that’s what you’re asking me. I don’t have that sort of authority. I can commiserate with you. You know, I can share in your sorrows. I’m too old to go to festivals. You know, partly this is a child rearing situation like I don’t I can’t leave this house basically. And so I’m not, you’re not gonna see me at Coachella or whatever. But I’m like you like I’m not going unless the weather is perfect. And I have a chair. You know, and I have a certain you know, pretty short distance from the stage like I’m just not doing it. But now like people talking during concerts, you know, it’s a terrible curse, you know, you should be able to spray them with a hose or something. But I todo though like just this conflict transpiring while todo is on stage is scored for me to process happens

Nestor J. Aparicio  17:34

in every city. In every show. It happened at a symphony hall during this thing the other night, it happens with John Mayer is singing comfortable. And you can’t shut up. You know, for the one three times on the tour. He doesn’t Rob or Phil is here. He writes books i Let’s talk about your book. Because the 90s and I, this whole thing began with me in the 70s and 80s. And I’ll read his Epilim book, I’ll read books on my bands, you however, have sort of taken on the whole genre of anything that was written during that period of time, and finding sort of a modern place for all of it.

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Yeah, I, I was a teenager in the 90s. Right, I went to high school, I went to college, and this is the music that imprinted on me. You know, there’s an inherent nostalgic quality to me writing a book about the 90s. Now, right, but I do think that a lot of this music is still present tense. You know, I still think people young people even are still listening to it. And the music being made now by young people is still influenced by it. You know, and I’m curious about the difference between Nirvana as I experienced them as a 13 year old in 1991, versus like the the myth of nirvana. Now, right? Like somebody, a kid, a teenager now who buys a Nirvana t shirt and target or whatever their parents buy it for them, like, what does that then mean to them versus what that band meant to me? At the time, I’m sort of interested in sort of interrogating the difference between the myth and reality of the 90s themselves. But I do think that the 90s as a culture as a decade, you know, as a period as an epoch or whatever, like it does hang together, it does feel coherent, you know, it does feel distinct in a way different, you know, I don’t think about the 2000s or the 2010s. The same way, I think that we have a better defined culture and I’m trying to figure out if that’s just because I was a teenager at the time, or whether I’m on to something that does

Nestor J. Aparicio  19:34

that make the Foo Fighters the wings of the Beatles to do that? Because listen, I have memories in 1976 with my dad. Now my first 45 was got to get you into my life website helter skelter right now also my other friends cool. The other three were Starland vocal bands, afternoon delight, and for Will Ferrell and the other one was Neil Diamond, if you know what I mean. So this is 19 Seven The 374 And I then heard, let him in the wing song, someone’s knocking on the door, you know, right. And silly love songs. And it didn’t equate to me that poem. I mean, I’m eight years old and nine years old, right? So it didn’t equate to me that one’s the other. Once one became the other, he became Paul McCartney. And he became, there’s Lennon and candlestick and you know, Ed Sullivan and all that. But I think there’s a point where if you’re a 13 year old kid, and you’re at Target, and the happy face of Nirvana, the same one that I bought, when he played American university that night, I saw him there at Bender arena.

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Once again,

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Nestor J. Aparicio  20:39

right? You know, I mean, I lived I just older dude, I’m just older, you know. So it’s just all there. That’s all there is. I saw Sean Cassidy and his prime too, but we don’t know, all right. But, but I do wonder for a 13 year old where I had WL PL I had it all, every one of these belt buckles was predetermined, by me from Saturday Night Fever through the disco era, through your experience with MTV, where everything was sort of funneled at you to some degree, and then radio went away or is going away or when it was well on its way to be going away and Napster and all that young people now when they see. I mean, any young band, there is do lip, pick anything that’s sort of a new thing to say, where they’re where they find that on their journey, and the Taylor Swift thing is just beyond Beatles and Elvis to me in the modern era. So it’s still still sitting there for bands. But I think it’s so much harder to latch on to something.

21:41

Yeah, I mean, nobody sells as many records anymore, you know, as they did in the 80s. And the 90s. You know, I was thinking about, you know, a Taylor Swift is probably the biggest cultural phenomenon, musical phenomenon, since probably Michael Jackson at this point, you know, but the light, how huge Michael Jackson loomed over me. You know, in 1984, when I was six years old, I’ve never had that feeling again, even with her, you know, and so it’s sort of an easy shorthand to say that partly because of the internet, right? Like, culture is scattered. Now. You know, there isn’t a monoculture. We’re not all watching the same TV shows, we’re not all watching the same movies, like everybody’s picking their own, you know, everyone’s got their own algorithm, their own bubble, their end have their own thing, you know, and there are far fewer intersection points than there were in 1992, or 1982. You know, and I think that’s mostly a good thing, versus a bad thing. You know, my kids having the choice to get into anything and not having to pay $20, you know, to buy, you know, a 30 minute CD, like, that’s a great thing that they can do anything that they want, but it does lead to this scattered scatterbrain sort of feel where like, it’s the culture feels less distinct now than it did when I can just very blindly summarize the 80s as Michael Jackson now, like, you can’t do that so much in this era, even if maybe Taylor Swift is proving us wrong. My

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:02

wife just started that we are the world doc the other and I’m only 20 minutes into that. I don’t need to know how it ends. Robber Ville is here from the ringer. He writes books about the 90s. I, every once in a while I get a while in here, because people think me for sports. And I’ve been known to opine about politics and whatnot. But everyone’s just put one line at like, last week I put air supply or Little River Band pick one, you know what I mean? Like so I throw that sort of thing out, but I threw something about nine months ago, that created like a really long thread and all I was really trying to do was like put together a playlist like a mixtape like we people my age, we call it mixtape. And I said, What’s the greatest song ever written?

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What? Wow. Yeah, it was. Right. And

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:54

you know, the worst part Dave shine and, and you’re in the sports world to some degree. Thanks, John is Washington Post report. He’s a musician. He’s beautiful guy. He does the theme song for all my music here at Baltimore positive. Dave came. He came on the thread and he wrote starer and I thought, I’m gonna go back and listen to Fleetwood Mac and I went back and I listened to Fleetwood Mac. I had him on the show two months ago, I grabbed my Fleetwood Mac. Pacifica belt buckle I brought it out. He said no, no, no. The Bob Dylan Sarah.

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And I’m like come on, man. Say Oh, come

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:28

on, man. You know so what’s Jeffers? what’s your what’s your number one? Come on, give me great

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song. A song ever written? Holy moly.

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Whichever asked you that? No, not.

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I don’t know if anyone ever has let me okay. All right. Okay. All right. All right. Okay.

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:47

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It’s always mood related, isn’t it? It depends on what the lighting is and how you’re feeling and you know, whether you want to rock out or whether you want to be romantic, you know what I mean? Yeah.

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I have to Do you get back to me?

25:01

No, no, I It’s feels like a niche thing for me. But I common people buy pulp immediately popped into my head, as in my opinion, one of the best written songs in any genre of all time, you know, and I can say that is a 90s guy or whatever, you know, but I think there is a quality and anthemic and sort of an articulate quality that that has where that’s, that’s one of the all time greats, you know, of course, I wanted to jump right to like Prince, or the Beatles, or whoever. And that’s probably objectively the right answer. But I think one thing that I love about the 90s is that there are songs that I do think stands, you know, with the ultimate Pantheon, and I’m gonna just sort of honor the first thing that popped into my head. What are

Nestor J. Aparicio  25:45

they then come on now, because you’re always making these cases that the 90s were the greatest cross section, but I can read from the back of the book cover now. You know, so, so, so pick, pick a few more pick. Because the reason I did this thing nine months ago, when I got that Sarah thing wrong, was just to go back. You know what, the last time I had a music guest was about three weeks ago, I had Rick Emmett from trial and fawn. And the whole reason he wrote a book, The whole reason I had him on was someone on that thread, wrote magic power. And I went back and I listened to and I’m like, that’s a effing great song. And then six months later, I had him on. So that’s why you’re just giving me little nuggets here. I’ll remember anything you say, and Todd Schuler, and I will remember this as gospel so whatever you say, I’m going to add it to my playlist and reconsider the song.

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Well, geez, man, I haven’t had to think I as I said, Prince has to be you know, probably, you know, is it just prints like When Doves Cry or kiss? You know, or Purple Rain? If you want to do that there has to be a Prince song in there.

Nestor J. Aparicio  26:53

You didn’t say that? Did you? Because last week I tweeted out that I would die for you on any hill that cream is Princess Bessel. Wow,

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that’s a great choice. That’s a fantastic song and 90 song there you go cream. You know, I don’t know if I would say the best song ever. But that’s again that’s in the pantheon. I totally respect that opinion. Cream is a great song. You know, Beatles wise, I would probably go let it be you know, I would you know, like Missy Elliott’s work yet, you know, is one of my favorite rap songs of all time, early 2000s. You know, I think that has to be then a greatest song of all time. Conversation like YouTube wise, like, you got to put something in there. And that’s gonna be again, there are micro areas you could say with or without you. You could say one. You know, you could say where the streets have no name. You know, like, that might be it for me. Still. You know, the first band I ever loved dude, honestly, was the cars first you know, and so I you know, I that whole album. Really? It’s like just what I needed by the cars. Are you pulling out of cars belt buckle?

Nestor J. Aparicio  27:59

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Well, dude, I mean, come on. Like I have three actually. I can’t reach them right now. Yeah, the other ones going on? Yeah, I’m holding it upside down.

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Do you have well total? I’ve never several collecting several

Nestor J. Aparicio  28:15

several. Yeah, I have several. Well, it all started. It actually all started with my Led Zeppelin belt buckle that I bought at KB toy store. 1879. And it’s sort of the spread eagle, Zeppelin Eagle thing. And I own that belt buckle for 35 years and my wife after my wife survived cancer the second time, she was trying to do something nice for Christmas for me. And she surprised me because I never had a belt to wear it on. It was a standalone. I never really own that. I was never that kind of belt guy. Wasn’t that cool? I never had a chain jacket either. But don’t cry for me. So my wife saw and she knows I love Russia. She went on the Russia website and they had remanufactured a modern version. And she bought me a belt and it was beautiful. I had two belts, and I’m out drinking wine one night with John Allen from the Charm City devils. My childhood buddy. He sees the belt. He’s like Hey, I got an Aerosmith one. I have a semblance and he said I have a Stevie Wonder one I’m like you got a one. So then we went on the internet and then it cost me a lot of money you know what I mean? Yeah, it was about this was the first one I bought do this this one was the first one that caught my eye literally this was extremely cool. And so I lend it out to my buddy Ron West who’s in in a band and the cultivated that but they don’t do just call it music. But I let I let him wear the belt buckle of his choice because they’re cool and they’re fun. So the cars, man that you you know like, that’s a great base. If you love the cars we can hang out like serious. Okay,

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well I’m glad to hear that drive. I love the car song drive. Also, that might be my favorite song of theirs overall, but that first cars record was the first album I ever loved you know as a fleet of four or five year old and so something from there’s got to be in the old time pantheon. I don’t have a belt buckle up. I’m not about that life, apparently. But

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Nestor J. Aparicio  30:10

were you when you saw Phoebe Cates get out of the pool and fast times, I just need to know.

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I was not late teens. I did not have that association with moving at stereo. Well, I mean, I certainly never lost it. Exactly. Yeah, yes. I you know, I caught up fast, but I I used to think that song was sung by Darth Vader, just because it sounded it had a Darth Vader sort of sound to it. So I did not come to that song the way. Yeah.

Nestor J. Aparicio  30:41

And at baseline hook, so I’m gonna leave you with this because, uh, Todd Schuler is your biggest fan. He reads all your work and is even Tay Yeah, and he’s a local lawyer, but don’t hold that against him. He’s reformed politician, but he was on the right side of the world wants good causes and doesn’t believe in insurrectionist and criminals. He wants me to ask you this is asked Rob asked Rob Harville asked him how we’re supposed to celebrate our first St. Patty’s Day without Shane McGowan and Sinead O’Connor and reason i i bring that in because the Prince song write nothing compares to you. So when we think about great prince songs, we think of Sinead with that, but that is a great principle.

31:18

It is a great Prince song, but it’s one of those cases you know, I It’s like respect, right? Like Aretha Franklin stealing a song from Otis Redding you know, I can appreciate the original version you know, the original Prince version eventually we got to hear of nothing compares to you. But what’s so amazing about that, is it Sinead song now, you know, as much as I love Prince and revere Prince is one of the old timers like that’s a case where she owns that song. You know, and there’s no greater accomplishment as a pop singer, that own a song from one of the greatest like prints. And so yeah, I had not made

Nestor J. Aparicio  31:53

any Rogers like sort of owns lady even though Lionel Richie wrote it. Right.

31:57

It’s very much like that. Yeah, so no, you’re absolutely right. You know, obviously Dolores O’Riordan from the cranberries has been gone a few years now. But no, this is a very different St. Patrick’s Day for that reason, and I hadn’t made that connection. But yeah, that’s a tough one. That’s a super tough one. You know, that was that was both enormous losses, you know, but Sinead was, was a wild. That was a wild story to go back and you know, to read about and read a valley Saturday Night Live and just how revolutionary she was, like, you know, in real time, it was just such a cool, really tragic, but still really honorable story.

Nestor J. Aparicio  32:36

What’s coming up on the podcast, give me a little preview here and we’ll let you get on your way and, and I hope you come back once a year so any guy that’s got that stereo behind them stole that I had?

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32:51

For the Marantz eBay dog? Yeah. All right, we can I want to hear more about your belt buckle, so I’ll be back. Absolutely for certain as we speak, it’s Monday on Wednesday is the final episode of this show, the 100 and 20th and final episode of the inaccurately named obviously 60 songs that explain the 90s You know, I felt like I could do this forever. But I felt like I should stop at some point. And so this is we’re going to go on and do something else. Very soon the show we’ll be back. But as far as the 90s is concerned, the last episode is this week and I’m you know, I need a break. Just just physically, you know, but I am very sad finally to be leaving this decade behind after like four years of my life, you

Nestor J. Aparicio  33:31

know, not leaving. What What else? You got to do your the nine? Oh,

33:36

very good question. Now,

Nestor J. Aparicio  33:39

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you may be ready for life. Only on the on the 90s. People love you, man. They love you.

33:47

You’ve convinced me. Okay, so it’s just another normal episode coming out on Wednesday. And I’ll keep doing the show forever. You’ve absolutely convinced me.

Nestor J. Aparicio  33:55

There. Listen, there’s at least 60 more songs for you to find right? Oh, yeah.

34:00

Oh, totally. I haven’t done like the Mighty Mighty Bosstones Yeah, dude, you know, I there’s plenty left on the table that I’ll get to now. Thanks to you.

Nestor J. Aparicio  34:07

When I found this radio station in 1998. The people that had it was the failed kids radio stations. So we’re celebrating 25 years, right? They had a loop tape and the Mighty Mighty Bosstones depression. I get played every because it was for kid that you know had sort of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I think of that, I think of this. And I will always Think kindly of you. I appreciate your time and your your candor and your sense of humor. Everybody appreciate your work. I encourage everybody go out and get the book, especially if you’re a child of the 90s. Or even if you were like old enough to be like drinking beer or chasing girls in the 90s it was still a good time to be listening to music. And when I hear Nirvana even though you think one thing and I think another thing. We probably both think the same thing. It’s pretty good, right? Rock and roll pretty good, right? You know, soothe your mortal soul. So, hey, take care of yourself. Rob. Thanks for Coming on so much dude rob harvilla from the ringer he does podcast he writes books he is the 90s guy when he wants to be or not its own it because it’s awesome I am Nestor we are WNS da and 1570 Towson Baltimore stay with us we’re gonna get back to Baltimore positive toxic sports event at some point why music is more fun anyway…

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