From the paddock at Churchill Downs to the mortgage industry, one-time aspiring WBAL sportscaster Greg Sher returns to sports media as Preakness week comes down the stretch with Nestor, who remains antsy about the future of horse racing and the impact this Triple Crown series can have on Pimlico and Baltimore. Oh, and Sher shared some words about John Harbaugh and the future of the Ravens and Orioles as well…

Nestor Aparicio and Greg Sher discuss the upcoming Preakness week, highlighting guests like Donna Brothers and Randy Moss. They reminisce about Greg’s transition from sports media to the mortgage industry, where he now runs the largest Maryland lender, NFM Lending. They debate the state of horse racing, praising the $400 million investment in Pimlico but lamenting the decline in attendance and the impact of PETA. They also touch on the challenges faced by Baltimore sports teams, particularly the Orioles and Ravens, and the need for better leadership and fan engagement.

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Attend and host the crab races event at Faidley’s on Wednesday (promote on Baltimore Positive and appear in person).
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Have Ivan Bates as the guest on Wednesday to talk law and order and include Maryland Lottery ‘Maryland treasures’ scratch-off publicity as part of that segment.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Attempt to corral/invite Dave Sims to come down, have a crab cake, and appear on the show during Preakness week.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Christen the Fishmonger’s Daughter (new Faidley’s location in Frederick) on the 21st and host the opening event there.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Schedule and run a leadership summit with Greg Sher in July (include discussion of the 21 Laws of Leadership/John Maxwell content).

Greg Sher’s Return to Sports Media

• Nestor Aparicio welcomes Greg Sher to WNST AM 1570, highlighting the Maryland Lottery’s Maryland Treasures giveaways and upcoming events like the crab races at Faidley’s.
• Nestor mentions upcoming guests, including Donna Brothers, Randy Moss, and Dick Girardi, to discuss the state of horse racing and the Triple Crown series.
• Nestor reminisces about Clem Florio, his longtime racing analyst, and introduces Greg Sher as his replacement, noting Greg’s familiarity with horse racing and his recent attendance at the Derby.
• Greg Sher shares his excitement about the Derby and his involvement in the mortgage business, emphasizing his continued love for sports and his ability to blend his passion with his career.

Greg Sher’s Career Transition and Personal Insights

• Greg Sher discusses his transition from sports media to the mortgage business, highlighting his role at NFM Lending and the company’s success.
• Nestor and Greg share personal anecdotes about their experiences in sports media, including Nestor’s interactions with Greg’s father and his own experiences with Oprah and other notable figures.
• Greg reflects on the financial benefits of leaving sports media and the emotional connection he still has with the industry.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the changes in the sports media landscape, including the rise of new platforms and the challenges faced by traditional media outlets.

The State of Horse Racing and the Preakness

• Nestor and Greg discuss the current state of horse racing, including the challenges faced by tracks and the impact of PETA and other animal welfare organizations.
• Greg highlights the progress being made in Baltimore to improve the Preakness and the overall horse racing industry, including the $400 million investment in Pimlico.
• Nestor expresses concern about the deterioration of horse racing in Baltimore over the past 25 years and the need for better leadership and coordination among stakeholders.
• Greg emphasizes the importance of maintaining the Preakness in Baltimore and the potential benefits of moving the race to a more central location.

The Impact of the Preakness on Baltimore and the Triple Crown

• Nestor and Greg discuss the significance of the Preakness to Baltimore and the broader impact of the Triple Crown on horse racing.
• Greg explains the challenges of getting Derby winners to participate in the Preakness and the potential solutions, such as increasing the purse and adjusting the race schedule.
• Nestor highlights the historical importance of the Preakness and the need for a cohesive strategy to ensure the race’s relevance and success.
• Greg and Nestor agree on the importance of collaboration among industry leaders to improve the Triple Crown and the overall health of horse racing.

Greg Sher’s Insights on Leadership and Sports Media

• Greg shares his insights on leadership, drawing parallels between his experience in the mortgage industry and the challenges faced by sports media.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the importance of integrity and accountability in leadership, particularly in the context of sports media and team ownership.
• Greg reflects on the changes in the sports media landscape and the need for journalists to maintain their independence and integrity.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the impact of new media platforms and the challenges faced by traditional media outlets in maintaining their relevance and credibility.

Greg Sher’s Personal Reflections and Future Plans

• Greg shares his personal reflections on his career in sports media and his transition to the mortgage industry.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the importance of maintaining personal connections and integrity in their professional lives.
• Greg expresses his continued love for sports and his desire to stay involved in the industry through his work in the mortgage business.
• Nestor and Greg discuss their future plans, including potential collaborations and projects that blend their passion for sports and real estate.

The Importance of Owning Real Estate

• Greg shares his insights on the importance of owning real estate and the current market conditions for homebuyers.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the challenges faced by first-time homebuyers and the impact of rising prices and interest rates on the housing market.
• Greg emphasizes the long-term benefits of owning real estate and the importance of making informed decisions about home purchases.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the potential opportunities for real estate investment and the importance of staying informed about market trends.

The Role of Leadership in Sports and Business

• Greg reflects on the role of leadership in sports and business, drawing parallels between his experience in the mortgage industry and the challenges faced by sports teams.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the importance of accountability and integrity in leadership, particularly in the context of sports team ownership.
• Greg emphasizes the need for transparency and collaboration among team leaders to ensure the long-term success of sports franchises.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the impact of leadership on team performance and the importance of making informed decisions about team management.

The Future of Sports Media and Team Ownership

• Nestor and Greg discuss the future of sports media and the challenges faced by traditional media outlets in maintaining their relevance and credibility.
• Greg reflects on the importance of maintaining independence and integrity in sports media and the need for journalists to stay informed about industry trends.
• Nestor and Greg discuss the potential opportunities for new media platforms and the importance of adapting to changing market conditions.
• Greg emphasizes the need for collaboration among industry leaders to ensure the long-term success of sports media and team ownership.

Final Thoughts and Future Collaborations

• Nestor and Greg discuss their final thoughts on the conversation and their plans for future collaborations.
• Greg expresses his appreciation for the opportunity to share his insights and experiences with Nestor and the audience.
• Nestor and Greg discuss potential future projects and the importance of staying connected and informed about industry trends.
• Nestor concludes the conversation by highlighting the importance of maintaining integrity and accountability in all aspects of life and work.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Preakness week, horse racing, Maryland lottery, crab races, Donna Brothers, Randy Moss, Greg Sher, mortgage business, NFM Lending, Pimlico renovation, Triple Crown, Baltimore sports, media credentials, Chad Steel, Steve Bisciotti.

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Preakness week, horse racing, Triple Crown, Laurel, Pimlico, Maryland lottery, Baltimore sports, Greg Sher, mortgage business, NFM lending, sports media, Chad Steel, Steve Bisciotti, Justin Tucker, Orioles ownership.

SPEAKERS

Nestor Aparicio, Greg Sher

Nestor Aparicio  00:01

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Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T AM, 1570 towels, Baltimore. It’s Baltimore positive, and it is positively per week. This week I got acid tea courses here from the Maryland treasures. And our friends at the Maryland lottery been giving these away richly and freely, as we did at Planet Fitness in Timonium last week. We will be at faidley’s on Wednesday for the crab races. It’s crab Derby Day. Ivan Bates will be with us talking law and order. I also have some other cool guests coming by on Wednesday. The Yankees are in town. Pray for the Orioles. And Donna Brothers is going to be by this week. Randy Moss is going to be by this week. Dick Girardi is going to come by. We’re going to talk about the state of horse racing, why the race is where it is, why they’re racing at Laurel, what the hell is going on at Pimlico? What’s going on with the Triple Crown series? And this time, every year, I get together with some old friends, you have replaced a very significant person in my life, because Clem Florio was always my racing analyst, who had come on and we lost Clem a number of years ago. Oh, you baby doll. So instead, I bring you my old friend who’s younger than me, whose dad you know from the television. And if you’re a young, old timer around here, you remember Greg share on WB Al, or if you’re just like, from around town, Greg’s kind of been here for a while, and you still love the ponies, don’t you? Do? You just went to the Derby, right? You’re ready to go, and you’re doing mortgages and doing life and all that. It’s so good to see you. How was the derby? Man,

Greg Sher  01:28

you like my Ripken Jersey behind me?

Nestor Aparicio  01:30

That’s a roadie. I like that. What’s that patch on there? Was that 2001 or something that has a significance. That patch, it doesn’t say Angela.

Greg Sher  01:39

It’s got the years of the streak.

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Nestor Aparicio  01:41

Oh, okay, it’s a streak jersey. Okay, nice American flag. I see that. Nice.

Greg Sher  01:46

Yeah, man,

Nestor Aparicio  01:46

your guy Cal was your guy more than Eddie or more than Brady.

Greg Sher  01:50

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I mean, I’ve never, my favorite baseball player ever is Eddie Murray,

Nestor Aparicio  01:54

okay? And you

Greg Sher  01:55

know he wasn’t the nicest guy, though.

Nestor Aparicio  01:58

Yeah, experience

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Greg Sher  02:00

was with him. Yeah, he didn’t.

Nestor Aparicio  02:01

I got on okay with Eddie. But, like, I never caught I mean, I remember Ken Rosenthal covering Eddie in the 80s, when I worked at the paper, and it wasn’t good. It was, I don’t know you, you got out of the industry. I’m still in it. You have a joke for me every time we get together about and I don’t deal with these guys anymore. I don’t have to go into a room and look at Jerry Coleman anymore, or John Harbaugh or Chad steel or Greg, but, you know, so like Luke does that, I do this, but you must admit you made a good decision getting out of sports media. I think you did at least,

Greg Sher  02:30

yeah, for sure. I mean, financially that, there’s no question. But I miss it. You know, I grew up with this in my veins going in and out of the studio at television hill when I was just a little baby, man, four years old, five years old, six years old, watching my dad, you know, understanding how the green screen worked. You on the

Nestor Aparicio  02:48

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inside of people is talking. I was out here, like, calling the number, trying to talk to Oprah and your dad. I got on your dad’s show once. Do you know this? Never told

Greg Sher  02:55

you? I think you told I think you told me that.

Nestor Aparicio  02:57

Yeah, I got on the show. I had written a piece about, like, Ozzy Osbourne or something. It was, like, it was, I don’t know, I don’t even remember it. I wish we had a tape of it, because I could laugh at myself. I did get asked yesterday if my John Buren try out tape by Mike Marlow was with Dick Girardi at Costa centimonia. They asked me if the John Buren tape still exists, and I said, Yeah, it’s on the internet. When I tried out, this might have been a little before your time. This was like maybe 1988 it was 88 so I don’t how old you were then, but 13. Held an open tryout for weekend. Don Moller was part of that, but Chris Ely won the job and became the guy at Channel 30. I

Greg Sher  03:36

remember? No, no, I remember that. Greg. Yeah, Chris was a hard worker. John got out, right? Is he?

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Nestor Aparicio  03:42

John? John was doing real estate like you. You’re doing mortgages, right?

Greg Sher  03:45

Yeah, that’s right. What

Nestor Aparicio  03:46

do you do? Tell everybody what you do before we get going, because I do want to do some horse

Greg Sher  03:51

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racing with you. Man, I am in the mortgage business. We’re the largest local we’re the largest Maryland lender in in the entire state. We’re a top 15 lender. We loan money on residential mortgages. We’ll do over 20,000 loans in 2026 and totaling about 9 billion in total volume. So I help run the company, and I’m very fortunate to be in having been able to pivot into that. Now I still have this. I still have the studio, I still have a microphone, and in today’s age, I can parlay that love for the mic and the camera into video and talking about my industry. And occasionally I’ll reach back and grab somebody, for instance, Edgar Prado’s a really good friend of mine. The Hall of Fame jockeys ninth all time in winnings, won the Kentucky Derby on Barbaro. We know the whole Barbaro story. I had him on before the Preakness, before the Derby, to talk about what it’s like to ride in the Kentucky Derby. And so I’m able to touch sports here and there, but

Nestor Aparicio  04:53

it’s like me, I do sports, but I get to touch other things. And unfortunately,

Greg Sher  04:58

racing,

Nestor Aparicio  04:58

I touch racing once. Year, right? Like there’d be no reason here to ever have you on in September and talk racing Breeders Cup like all these things that go on, the foals are being sold across the street at Timonium, at the spa Saratoga, where, you know, I’ve been up there and I’ve run into a whole bunch of your buddies, David Rose, and all those guys were up there running around the day I ran around with fun hats on with my wife seeing SPAC. So, I mean, I haven’t felt like going to the derby in 15 years. I feel like what’s happened here in Baltimore’s been a real tragedy before my eyes, as much as I went after Angelo’s 20 years ago about emptying out Oriole Park. I mean, dude, you’re a horse racing guy, your buddies, you go to the derby every year. I don’t know how often you really go to the track here, or how often you make a bet on your phone, or go over to cost this in the OTB, or whatever. And I see some of your friends over at the OTB from time to time. But I mean, you witnessed this if you had been on Bal the last 25 years, doing what Brett Hollander does, or been on the air taking calls every day as a horse racing guy to watch the deterioration of what this has been over the last 40 years. It’s it’s unrecognizable. And now they’re moving at the Laurel, and I’m going down, but, well, they’re

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Greg Sher  06:11

finally doing something about it, though, that’s the thing. So we should tip our we should tip our caps. And I’ll tell you what the greatest, the biggest miracle in in Baltimore sports history, to me, is that the Preakness never moved that stronic never moved it, that the de Francis’s never moved it. It is a mere absolute miracle that they were able to operate in that shithole for as long as they did without somebody picking it up. Because it is, it is a it is a crown jewel. It is sacred ground, all that stuff. It’s in a terrible neighborhood, and they should have moved it years ago. I remember talking about this 25 years ago on Bal. We

Nestor Aparicio  06:50

were always worried about them Gulfstream, right?

Greg Sher  06:53

I just can’t believe it’s I cannot believe the Preakness is still going to remain, but now it’s going to remain for the longest time, right? Because they’re putting $400 million into it. And the trip to Laurel is just temporary, obviously. And then they’re going to have weddings at the new Pimlico, for God’s sakes, like they’re going to have a barn that a new stakes barn. They’re going to have the ability to hold 400 horses. They’re going to have an adjacent facility some 20 minutes away that they bought, that the state bought from the Rooneys to be able to hold another 800 horses

Nestor Aparicio  07:28

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training facility. Yes,

Greg Sher  07:30

yeah. I mean, there is, there is, there is progress being made and, and I mean it when I say

Nestor Aparicio  07:34

people need to care about it, that it’s like the Orioles. The Orioles can do whatever they want, giving bobble heads away, or, you know, Star Wars events or whatever. That’s not what is really going to make the clock turn, you know, for them. And there’s so few people. And I think if you was a young guy, because you’re a couple younger, years younger than me, you’re in your mid 50s now, like, how is this going to appeal to your kids? Well,

Greg Sher  08:00

I think the issue is that there’s a lot going on here. First of all, you don’t have to show up at the track to make a wager there. There are so many apps out there where you can bet from the comfort of your couch. You have to have a reason to want to go other than the pageantry, which doesn’t even grab 1/10 of 1% of people’s attention, and the fact that it’s, it’s in, it’s in the area that it’s in. Like, it’d be one thing if it was downtown and you were able to take a stroll down into little Italy or something, or or whatever. So that’s, that’s a that’s unfortunate. But race there, the other element here is that racing is, you know, there’s, it’s lost a lot of its luster. Tracks have shut down. Purses have diminished. Well, the industry has

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Nestor Aparicio  08:48

been under siege because we’re doing this to animals. Let’s start with that, right? So,

Greg Sher  08:52

well, I mean, you know, there was the whole PETA thing with with ass mucin and all that, yeah. I mean, that’s, that’s an age old argument, isn’t it? Though, whipping horses, and they’ve done some things there in terms of limiting how many times a horse can be whipped in a race. I love the sport, but I love to gamble too. That’s the thing. I mean, I love the animals. I love the story. I’ve been able to attend 29 consecutive Kentucky derbies, and it’s a it’s still the one thing, the one consistency is that it’s got some of the most wonderful people and the best stories. Then you look, look at Sherry DeVoe, you’ve seen the video. I’m sure she’s

Nestor Aparicio  09:28

already thrown out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium for Belmont. She hadn’t been to Baltimore. And I come I mean, that’s what I’m saying. Where we’ve really from, the Bud Light nights and bands coming in here, and the clydesdale’s rolling through, and kids getting off school Friday, and the pink party, which, for a minute and a half looked like it was going to be a thing back when you were young and sexy, and I was 20 years ago too. I don’t who’s going to lead this thing to make people care about something they don’t care about anymore or they never cared about at all, which is the. They brought a baseball

Greg Sher  10:00

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thing. That’s not a Baltimore thing, that’s an industry wide thing. I know we have our own focal pain points here, but horse racing in general is not what it was. And I’m not sure what brings that back.

Nestor Aparicio  10:16

Well, that’s that’s an empty mic drop Greg. Greg shares our guest here. He is at NFM lending. What does NFM stand for? Or should I ask that

Greg Sher  10:25

national fidelity mortgage,

Nestor Aparicio  10:27

national, okay, NFM, and he writes mortgages. If you are familiar at all with Baltimore, you know his dad. You know him from the radio all these years. So, um, what? What do you see at the derby? Give me a little I haven’t been in 15 years. They were remodeling the track the last time I was there,

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Greg Sher  10:43

every time, yeah, every time. And they continue to build on top of build on top of build. They’ve done a great job yum brands, who is the parent company of Churchill Downs, publicly traded. They’ve done a remarkable job finding ways to capitalize and monetize every sliver of that race track. So there’s always construction. But to answer your question, it is a real it’s just a three to four day spectacle. The restaurants are packed. There’s a certain buzz there. It’s it drives in enough revenue to feed the fuel the economy. In just a 72 hour period, you get a lot of beautiful people roaming around. It just has a little bit of everything, if you even if you don’t like to gamble, when they play that Old Kentucky Home song, 18 minutes before the horses go to post, and you watch them gallivanting or gallivanting around the track, and they finally load in the gate. Then you see them burst out of the gates, 20 horses, right in this crowded field that none of them have ever raced in before, all the knocking around and then eventually seeing the winner emerge. And more often than not, the winner lately has been a long shot. And golden tempo was a long shot came from the 19 post. And I think, though, the one thing that is different these days. If you won the Kentucky Derby, you automatically went to the Preakness. This was year over year over year over year. And now you get it’s a 5050, proposition. It used to be six to eight to 10 of Derby horses, no matter what would come over to Preakness, it was just what happened. It was just what they did. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  12:20

Jim Palmer will sit and tell you starting pitchers one every fourth day and through nine innings, right? Like, literally, right? So I think that that’s the equation. I always use to say pitching has changed a lot with pitch count. This is the way they want multi million dollar horses, the greatest horses in the world, to not come back and run in 14

Greg Sher  12:36

days. I think that makes sense. I’m just making I agree with that, that takes some that takes a lot of shine off of it, like part half of the the beauty and the splendor of the derby is knowing that there’s still a chance for the 14th Triple Crown winner, or whatever the number is. Now, because in the Pimlico or the Preakness, we’re going to see that horse run again this year. We’re not going to see it. We don’t see it often now, more often than not, the Preakness, the Derby winner doesn’t move on to the Preakness. So I mean that right there. That takes away that sexiness. And by the way, I still think I’m sexy. You said when we were sexy, I consider myself sexy. Still. I still have hair. This is my real hair.

Nestor Aparicio  13:14

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Even though Marvin Lewis thinks I dye it, I don’t. It’d be way too much hair to dye.

Greg Sher  13:18

I love, I love Marvin Lewis. Can we talk about Chad steel for a minute? Please?

Nestor Aparicio  13:22

No, give me a minute, and then we’ll talk about Chad steel. I want to stay on horse racing here. So no, I mean, I’m happy to talk about Chad steel, but I don’t want to change topics. You

Greg Sher  13:32

should. I can’t believe you’re running from Chad steel. This is amazing.

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Nestor Aparicio  13:36

Oh god, I’m

Greg Sher  13:39

poking the bear? Man, come on anyway. Let me write this

Nestor Aparicio  13:44

down so we don’t forget to talk about Chad steel, because I’m happy to talk about you. I want to give a couple opinion.

Nestor Aparicio  13:49

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I have

Greg Sher  13:49

opinions about the Ravens. You know, I have a lot of opinions here. Okay, well,

Nestor Aparicio  13:52

hold on, hold on. Let’s stay on. Horse racing. Greg, okay. OCD, okay. When you came on, you’re like, they’re fixing it, and I will concur, because they’re going to be pissed off at me this week, because I’m pissed off and I should be pissed off. 5000 people racing at Laurel. Winter’s not coming like that’s unacceptable in any year, going back to spend the buck in 1985 so, and I know the history, and I’m not some jack wagon over at the fan that doesn’t know a horse from a course, like I’ve been at this a while. I got, I have 40 Preakness press passes in my in my chest.

Greg Sher  14:26

How’s that Maryland’s fault?

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Nestor Aparicio  14:27

No, no, no, it’s it’s not. I’m not. I’m not assigning blame here. I’m simply saying where we are in the timeline of getting it fixed. Fixed would be what Greg fix would be the Derby winner comes to Preakness every year, hopefully tries to win that race and then goes to the Belmont every year. Well, this involves naira. This involves television. It used to involve NBC. It’s going to involve Vox. It might involve ESPN. It like there’s all of this that goes on. But the value of this race, of the Preakness is. Worthless in no track, no Kentucky Derby winner. Two weeks out, no one wants it. No one wants to talk about it. This week, a post position draw doesn’t matter, because you don’t have the Kentucky Derby winner. So that was, I think that was always the thing that like Clem Florio and the old schoolers back in the day, the Dale Austin’s, and even Marty McGee, who was a part of this, would always say, the dirt the Preakness has what the derby doesn’t have. It has the Derby winner, and when it doesn’t have the Derby winner, it’s over. And I would agree with you from your first statement, which is, hey, hey, they’re trying to fix it. So if any of the people call me and they’re pissed at me this week, I’d say, well, you’re trying to fix it, we’ll get fix it. We’ll get out in front of it and explain to me and everyone what the end result is, what is this going to look like three or five years from now, so that I can legitimately go on to Baltimore positive with you, or Victor already, anybody else, and say, Hey, I have a dream. You know, we believe there’s going to be this incredible space on Park Heights Avenue at the corner of Northern Parkway and winter what, you know, and it’s going to have this, it’s going to have that. It’s going to be great. It’s going to be great 364, other days of the year for the like. If all of that is what you’re selling me, come on in, and I’ll ask hard questions about it. But the first question is, what are you doing to make the Triple Crown good from the leadership side of the television? It’s like boxing. Back when they had the IBF and the WBA, they could never get their shit together. Horse racing, I’ve watched this for 40 years. They better come out of this five years from now, with a TV deal, the Derby winner coming to the Preakness, the Preakness winner going to the Belmont, the New York people happy, whether it’s Memorial Day, whether it’s July 4 for the Belmont, because all of these municipalities in these leadership, the reason this thing’s so broken, Greg and you know this, they’ve been fighting for 25 years about whether moving the Preakness a week is a good idea or not. It’s clearly the only idea that’s going to resuscitate this thing. And here’s the weird part, Greg, the unintended consequences. I was at a networking event. I was with the Bal people. Hi, Jen Harrington, I was at an event Thursday morning, and I ran into the people from the zoo, the Maryland Zoo. I love those folks. And they have brew at the zoo going on next week, and they have their Zoomerang that they’re bringing back, which I’m sure you put a tuxedo on with your dad back in the days, one of the greatest events ever, Zoomerang at the zoo. And these are, like, late spring events that go into June, in the same way that New York doesn’t want to move the Belmont anywhere out toward Fourth of July. So I’ve had these arguments for 20 years, including with you, what’s perfect like, what? What are they what are they trying to do? If there was a commissioner and a God, if there was a Roger Goodell to say, this is where we’re trying to get with this race. I don’t even, I haven’t had anybody sit here and say it would be ideal for the Preakness to run three weeks after the Derby, whether it’s Memorial Day weekend or not. And then Baltimore would say, Memorial Day weekend. We’re going to run here Memorial Day weekend. And lacrosse nerds would say lacrosse Memorial Day week. So there’s all of these other things that are baked into trying to get the Triple Crown relevant again, and I think that’s at the heart of all of this, because the only thing that makes Baltimore relevant again, or Pimlico or the Preakness is if they can figure out how to make horse racing relevant and how they can take this Derby winner and make it what it always was, which is the next stop on the Wonderland tour for horse racing. And they’ve been screwing that up most of our lifetime. Greg,

Greg Sher  18:54

when you say they, who’s they?

Nestor Aparicio  18:56

The industry, all of them Churchill, saying we’re not moving the derby fine freakness saying we don’t have a race track, we can’t make it.

Greg Sher  19:04

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On one hand, you said, you said that you didn’t want the people the Maryland racing community, to be pissed at you. But you’re really not. You’re not criticizing them. It doesn’t sound I’m just trying

Nestor Aparicio  19:14

to understand. I’m criticizing how they’ve allowed

Greg Sher  19:16

this to get control, talking about they don’t have control over they have the people of the

Nestor Aparicio  19:21

people who said Naira won’t move their race, and the Derby winner won’t come, and television won’t let us move it, and our toilets don’t flush, and have to grandstands condemned. So that’s where we’ve been the last several years.

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Greg Sher  19:32

Or takes an act of Congress to get anything done anywhere. I mean, just look at our own political situation in this country. That’s a whole different conversation.

Nestor Aparicio  19:40

It’s hard to be on Chad

Greg Sher  19:41

steel parts. What they need to do is make that adjustment you reference with Jim Palmer and take a look at what can we do to ensure that the Derby winner or more Derby horses end up coming to the Preakness? Maybe they, they, if they raise the purse from 2 million to three or four, I guarantee you the owners would think twice and consider maybe doing that also. Spreading it out a little bit, doing whatever it takes to take it from two weeks to three and a half. What who cares? Like the record books are. I mean, the NFL, there’s, there’s an X there. There were 16 games, you know, then there were 17, maybe 18, right? And so, yeah, asterisk, this or that. It doesn’t matter. Like the that’s the adjustment they haven’t made, that you’re referencing, that they need to make, in terms of the state of Maryland and all the gaps and mistakes they’ve made. I think we’re seeing progress. We’re seeing 400 million being poured in. They’re doing the best that they can. But Nestor, just understand horse racing is on life support right now, and they the industry makes its money on simulcast wagering. So So other than this, you know, majestic structure located in Louisville, horse racing is not about being there. It’s about betting around it from all over the world. So I think you have to have a really strong understanding of that to know where the North Star is it’s in ending an event saying, last year, our handle was 82 million. This year, it’s 110 right? That’s the bar that they look at.

Nestor Aparicio  21:12

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Greg shares here. He knows more about the horse racing than me. Knows more about mortgages than me. At NFM lending as well. You’re still local, right? You’re still here in Maryland,

Greg Sher  21:21

right? I live in Northern Virginia. I’m in the Tysons. I’m actually McLean, Virginia area. With my wife and two boys, and I moved from Baltimore. I used to live in Roland Park, Roland springs, right near Alonso’s man, greatest burgers ever. Moved many years ago, 18 years ago, 19 years ago.

Nestor Aparicio  21:37

I ran into you like in Silver Spring one time or something. I thought you lived like in that part of the world, like the rockville part of the world. So I wasn’t sure.

Greg Sher  21:44

I did. I lived, I lived in Bethesda, the north bethesda area, and then I moved my way towards Northern Virginia. I just

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Nestor Aparicio  21:52

remember walking the streets of like, Silver Spring or rockville, and I ran into you. I’m like, Hey, Baltimore guy running around. You know, moco, you know, so Greg share is here. So for you with going to the Derby, and is it something I need to go back to? I mean, I, and I’ll say this out loud for anyone, it’s my favorite event. I always said it was the best event to go to. I never had a bad experience there. I did get roofied one time on Millionaires Row. That was bad. I was with Robin, your friend, Robin, we got roofie like for real, blanked out for hours at a derby, for sure, for real so. But other than that, I always love going to the derby. I never gotten mind getting gouged for the hotel rooms in the three day minimum. I love going to the Oaks. I love putting a hat on. I loved I loved all of it. I stopped going,

Greg Sher  22:42

you should go.

Nestor Aparicio  22:42

I should go, okay, because I love it that

Greg Sher  22:44

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much. It hasn’t lost its it hasn’t lost its shine. Believe me, it hasn’t. In fact, they don’t really require the three days anymore, because I think fewer people buy into going on site. So they’ve taken away that requirement in a lot of instances, to be there for three days. You can come in on a Friday, leave on a Saturday, come in on a Saturday, leave on a Sunday. But to be there is, it’s, it’s something to behold. And I recommend anybody who loves like beautiful people, great alcohol, gambling, just sort of being in a moment to go to that. It’s very historic to be under those twin spires when they load into the gate. So I’m going to be there for my 30th year next year, and then after that, I don’t know,

Nestor Aparicio  23:28

I have ton of brothers coming on, and she made me, I’m going to tell her this, she makes me cry most of the time, like you’re at the race, you’re drunk. You either won the bet or you didn’t. You’re having a good time with your wife, whatever. I’m watching it on TV. And last week, when it came on, my wife and I just came came back from a workout Saturday afternoon. We’re soaking wet. Thank you Planet Fitness. And we walked in was 530 and I’m like, oh, races until 651 you want to get cleaned up? Go over to Costas. And I’m like, there’ll be a lot of people over there. And there were, and I said to her, it’s the highest compliment I could pay the NBC people. I’m like, I like watching the NBC thing for like, an hour and a half leading up to the race. You never do that, or maybe you do it afterward, but I

Greg Sher  24:05

do after,

Nestor Aparicio  24:06

yeah, the last 15 years, when I haven’t gone, I watch it, and it’s so good, you know, so happy. And the trainer losing his wife and the connections and the riders, and then at the end of the thing, the jockey’s brother is on the second horse behind him. He’s stunned. Donna’s there with the mic, and then he starts sobbing, and then my wife and I start sobbing, and it’s like, yeah, I cry on Derby Day. Every crier, dude, I’m an emotional man, absolutely man. I mean, I love, I love the emotion of sports.

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Greg Sher  24:38

How many times have the Ravens made you cry over the years.

Nestor Aparicio  24:42

Probably never. I blubbered after the Colts loss in Oh, six, but I didn’t cry. I’ve never cried.

Greg Sher  24:46

I loved your So Long John Harbaugh piece, man, I’ve read that multiple times, maybe the best piece of sports writing I’ve ever seen.

Nestor Aparicio  24:54

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What did you love about it?

Greg Sher  24:56

Just the truth. Man, just that you know. Out in the open truth about what you had seen. And I know, by the way, I suspect from reading between the lines and knowing you as many years as I have, that there’s a lot you know that you haven’t revealed.

Nestor Aparicio  25:11

Oh, my God, I put lines in those pieces that when they read it, they know that I could

Greg Sher  25:18

tell. Yeah, I could tell being right on myself. But I mean, and I really have to give you a lot of credit, man, I got to kiss the ring for a minute, because a lot of people, after the way you’ve been treated, would just let it all hang out. You got nothing to lose. No one’s managing you. You manage yourself, right? So you could, you could be sharing some un be livable stories in a tell all. And I tell

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Nestor Aparicio  25:44

people, when they had a guy the other day, a guy came and said, Well, I think hardball is a good guy. And I’m like, You want me to open my text threads about the lies that that man sent to me? Like, do you really? Like, really for real, like, this is, you know, I’m not on the bullshit train on television here, like, like, I know what’s up, and so does Eric di Costa. So do they all of know what’s up? And I think that that’s the the hardest part for sports, for me as I navigate all of this, is that the people that have come to me and stay here 35 years later, they know I’m not lying to them. I have no interest in I’ve never lied in the microphone. That’s why you still love me and read my work when I put it out, because it’s not fiction, it’s nonfiction. So and

Greg Sher  26:32

to talk about an atrocity, the atrocity is that you are a true journalist, and that’s no longer acceptable. They don’t just lock

Nestor Aparicio  26:38

and flora, by the way, I always stand up for him, whoever

Greg Sher  26:40

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I’m just talking you know, I don’t know I don’t know lack and for it very well. I know you very well, though, and

Nestor Aparicio  26:44

lucky for was trained by Jack Gibbons and George Solomon. Like, let’s you know, to be locking me and him out of asking questions is to be locking the real truth tellers and honestly, the senior citizens and the grandpapas of sports journalism here.

Greg Sher  27:00

Now. What is your what is sports journalism, though, anymore, if you can’t be in a room after a tough moment and ask the tough questions, if they can filter, who gets to ask the questions and who doesn’t mean that’s a dictatorship. That’s, that’s, I hate. I hate that that’s happened and that you’re that you’re, you have been on the outside looking in. And, you know, I talked about the greatest miracle in sports history in Baltimore, that the Preakness is still there, right? I mean, I think maybe the greatest atrocity in sports broadcasting is the way that you’ve been treated. But kudos to you, if people want to know about your character, the fact that you haven’t done a tell all when you easily could, and that would be the ultimate freaking payback, for sure, and you haven’t gone there, and that’s amazing to me that you’ve had the class to do that in terms of har ball. I’ve, I’ve, I’ve hated the way he’s coached for years and years and years. I mean, he’s, he was a terrible clock Manager. You can tell he’s an asshole, just by the way he looks at people and in his moments, right? You find out the true character of somebody when the chips are down, not, not when you’re winning, you know, when you’re when you’re cruising,

Nestor Aparicio  28:10

how he treated Brent Harris at halftime of a preseason game on camera like that was, yeah,

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Greg Sher  28:18

Melissa or Melissa Stark, whatever. Like, I have not been a fan of this guy in the way that he’s managed, in particular, clock management and things like that. And in terms of bashati, he allowed that to sit, to stick around for as long as as he did, right? He shouldn’t have done that. You know, he’s been an owner for a long time. I’d love to see new ownership, new fresh blood in there. He’s been an asshole. He’s treated people like shit to people that I know. Very personally, he didn’t treat my dad well. You know, my dad. I think he told my dad to sit down and shut up once at a press conference. You know, my dad’s been, he was, he was a broadcast broadcaster in Baltimore for a very, very long

Nestor Aparicio  28:54

dad worked with Oprah, so, you

Greg Sher  28:56

know, 37 years, you know, and he, and you know, a news, a hard news guy covered murders and fires and these there’s

Nestor Aparicio  29:01

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no reason for anybody in sports to be as arrogant as they are. And I see this around the Greg baders and the Jennifer grand dahls and the Chad steels, the gatekeepers of this have a level of arrogance that we see in front of Donald Trump every single day, and they believe that that’s what leadership is. And it’s unfortunate. It’s unfortunate. It’s unfortunate for the fans, and more than that, they would say, well, they’re a private business. The State gave them $1.2 billion as you sit here with horse racing, looking for a handout to make the Preakness something, to make a festival for our city for a week, to give us something $1.2 billion to billionaires to basically take the press boxes, eliminate them and turn it into Gucci, club level stuff, and then throw media members out. So you said you wanted to talk about Chad steel earlier, so I’ve written that down. I’ll, I’ll put and then I want to talk about mortgages with you. Well, I

Greg Sher  29:55

don’t know. I don’t know much about the Chad thing. I was just, I’m just sort of teasing you. Mean, he was always nice. To me and my brief encounters with him, and he was an assistant to Kevin Byrne. So I don’t have anything. I don’t have any experiences with him, but I did read everything.

Nestor Aparicio  30:08

If Kevin Byrne had any guts, he would come on here and do real radio with me, like I have a real man. Conversation Kevin Byrne and I about how things have gone down here over 40 years, and who I was in 1995 and 95 and 96 helping them sell PSLs that I got thrown out of. So yeah, if Kevin Byrne wants to come by and do real radio, like a real conference, not Kevin works for the ravens and he controls my press pass, but like Citizen real the real history of what went down here 31 years ago, I’m happy to do that anytime, but it’s all contrived. It’s all fluffed out. Now carry it

Greg Sher  30:44

back around, just because before you, before you cut me off, I want to bring it back around to bashati for a minute, because I think that bad people, they always have their their moment, right? You can all you can only suppress people like you and dust so many things under the carpet and have so many cover ups before your true character is revealed. And I think that the ravens are heading south, and I don’t mind that they’re heading south for all of those reasons. Held on to HAR ball too long, holding on to Lamar for too long. And I think now you’re going to see a lot of cracks in the foundation of this franchise, and I don’t expect it to win in significantly for the next three to five years, and I’m okay with that. I think it’s good. I think it’s good. Hopefully it’ll lead bashati To sell one day. But hanging on to Lamar not a good move, in my opinion. I mean, and it’s, I see it so clearly. You know, he the running quarterback that needs his legs to be able to make a tremendous impact on the field. And we started to see wear and tear last year, and I think that, I don’t think that’s going to continue. I mean, in the history of running quarterbacks, it just is what it is. And so, yeah, you could say, well, you know, he’s had a great passer rating, you know, at times, and so he knows how to pass, yeah, off the run. When you take away the run, and he’s sitting in the pocket, and now he’s got to use his acumen and his talents as a pocket passer, that’s going to be really, really problematic. So I’m okay if they win six games next year. I think the organization has had it coming to him.

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Nestor Aparicio  32:14

Well, I don’t root against them. There’s

Greg Sher  32:17

no rooting against them. But

Nestor Aparicio  32:19

in my there, and I’ve said this to Chad steel, and he and I have not had a lot of conversations over 30 years, believe it or not, like we just we don’t sit and talk, because he talks at me, and I don’t tolerate that shit. So, but I would say nothing good happens here in our city when the teams don’t play well, and the baseball team being at the center of that 20 years ago, when I did free the birds, by the way, Greg, I did free the birds 20 years ago, in September 21 it’ll be 20 years. How many playoff games have the Orioles won since I did free the birds? Victories. Playoff victories. Six they’ve won six games in 20 years in postseason. So it hasn’t gotten really any better. The Rubenstein thing is, it’s an ARRA Getty is its own thing, but trying to resuscitate sports as a sports guy, and you left the industry wisely, you know, Stan, Charles and press box, and people in the fan and the few of us, I mean, Comcast sports net is gone. Sports sections are gone. The banner and the sun sit behind the paywall for their writers and their irrelevant writers at this point. And I would tell them that to their face, because I wouldn’t recognize them. That’s how irrelevant they are, that I don’t even know what they look like to be honest with you. So the television sports guys, I had Viviano here this week, Marty’s retiring. Now, people that love sports and really love the teams, Sandusky retired. Thank you for mentioning that. So we’re in a different lock. And four has been thrown out. We’re in a different era now, where the Chad Steel’s and the Jennifer grand dolls and the mark finds that seek to control this through ravens.com and orioles.com they don’t realize at all, first, our community, but like the only people that are going to fill the seats or make the bets or buy the bird lands or buy the truest clubs or be a PSL holder, although that seems really Antiqua. That seems like a sell in the dark ages at this point. But it’s expensive to go to these games. And the outreach they have, they think they’re going to do it by doing this Pleasantville Pollyanna come to our website and and their social media is so trite. I mean, all of it is it’s really hard to follow it, because you have to be a completely in the cult. And it’s like a family, and it’s like we can’t criticize our own players. All of these foundational things that you and I never believed in as reporters, that that most fans here, smart fans that listen to me don’t believe. And even the people listen to the fan don’t believe there should not be criticism of the team, but they’re foundationally running it that way. And when shag Steele goes to league headquarters at the NFL, the TV network says, we’re going to protect this, whether it’s Diana Rossini and and Vrabel, we’re not going to talk about this. I mean, the Tucker thing was unbelievable Greg, because the Tucker thing was really criminal, really horrible, really covered up. Well, they knew about it. Arbonne knew about it. The Costa, they all knew I, I don’t promise you, as a reporter, they knew about it. I, they absolutely, I don’t think they knew about it. They knew about it. They sat on it. They hid this, this free kicker they had out there for all these years, and then they roll over on them a year and a half later, and the truth is never allowed to be told. And they scolded the banner people. They they they threatened journalists over this. Tucker got his lawyers out. Tucker called them jello journalist, all of that. And if you went to w, B, A, L’s website or W Jay Z’s website, it was like, that’s just a banner report. We’re not even gonna bother with that. Like they didn’t the next three reports. They didn’t even show up on their web streams. They didn’t even show up on the news because Chad steel, it’s so intimidated these local news organizations to say you’re not going to report anything on Justin talking,

Greg Sher  36:26

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yeah, but Steve bashati allowed this.

Nestor Aparicio  36:28

Of course,

Greg Sher  36:29

he has allowed this. And so I just, I just want to say, okay, because I’m in the business world now, I know a lot about leadership. I’ve seen a lot of good leaders. I’ve seen a lot of bad leaders. All roads end with him. So any decisions that are made, he owns that right. Chad Steel’s behavior, whatever you say it is, he owns that, the cover up of Justin Tucker, he owns that any other nefarious things going on at the organization, particularly,

Nestor Aparicio  36:54

and there have been, by the way,

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Greg Sher  36:55

particularly around men and women, which women?

Nestor Aparicio  36:58

Thank you. Thank Thank

Nestor Aparicio  36:59

you. I mean, I

Greg Sher  36:59

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know, I know. I know lots of things too. I may not be on the radio anymore. How women are treated,

Nestor Aparicio  37:04

how women are

Greg Sher  37:05

treated, is owned by Steve Bisti. Okay? He owns all that. Just making it clear, very clear. So I hope everybody understands that, and that’s just the way reality works in the world. Everybody speaks for him. I’m in the mortgage business now, right? Every time a loan officer speaks to a consumer, the owner of the company owns that conversation. And if you don’t, and if that conversation goes sideways, you can’t say, oh, I didn’t know about it. You know, we’re so big now you have to have controls in place to know what’s happening. That’s your responsibility as an owner. Steve Basti, so the quicker he gets out of town, the better Baltimore will be. I need to

Nestor Aparicio  37:45

get you on the air more, just because you hold people accountable. And I appreciate that. Greg share was trained as a journalist because his father was trained as a journalist and worked with Oprah. He, of course, was on WPL for a number of years. Back at turn of the century, he wisened up, got the hell out of this industry. He’s doing mortgages now at NFM lending. You can find him out on the internet, on

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Greg Sher  38:02

LinkedIn, I’m the most followed mortgage executive on LinkedIn, by the way. I’ve got 40,000 followers, and I’m posting every day lots of opinion stuff as well. Took what I did in sports and translates into into the mortgage industry.

Nestor Aparicio  38:15

Can you give me a two minute like, if my wife and I were to buy right now? One of the we haven’t even looked or anything like that in any way, because rates and this and that and it’s just not where we were. We moved four and a half years ago from downtown. We’re comfortable where we are. But if we wanted to go suck up a half million or three quarter million dollar, million dollar loan, whatever, what’s the reality of the marketplace right now? Greg,

Greg Sher  38:38

well, the reality of the marketplace is that we’re at a 40 year low as far as homeowner affordability is concerned. So there’s, there, there are a lot of headwinds in the in the mortgage industry right now. And as it relates to first time homebuyers, which it used to be, the median age used to be in the 30s, it’s gone up to 40 now. And that’s indicative of the fact that it’s just it’s harder. I mean, prices have gone up too far, too fast, so that’s that’s made it very challenging. You know, wages have not gone up enough. Interest rates have been high for a long time, artificially pushed up by the Fed with too much QE quantitative easing off the heels of covid, which, I guess anybody could have made that mistake, not knowing just how terrible that disease could have turned out to be. So it’s, it’s a rough it’s a rough patch right now for the industry. But to answer your question, historically, you know, over 100 years or more, nothing appreciates like real estate, and so you can rent and pay someone else’s mortgage, or you can own your own home. Rates are still historically low. They’re in the mid sixes or so. So if you want to have real estate, you should for sure you don’t want to rent, if you can help it. And I still think it’s it is the true American dream to own a home. So if. You and your wife are out there looking, or wanting to look, for sure. You want to put all those other noises aside and just make your bet and bring in this bet thing back to to the center here, that owning real estate is the single best investment you can make, and has been for over a century. So you can always refinance down the road later and again, six and a half is a good rate. So I would, I would own a home over renting every single time.

Nestor Aparicio  40:29

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Kept a lot of friends. I’ve lost a lot of friends along the way. Here you can go on to Reddit or the internet and read all sorts of nasty things about me, but it’s the friendships I keep 30 years later, not just guys introduced me to my first girlfriends, but you know, people to keep it real all these years later and least understand what I do, where we come from, and our role in all this, even when you’re not a part of it anymore. And we competed for a

Nestor Aparicio  40:52

long

Greg Sher  40:53

time. There was a time where you were the name in town, like you were, you were the I was afraid of you, like you had such The reason I was afraid of you, by the way, was not because you were ever bad to me, and you were always so kind to me, right? But you had, and still do the most powerful, real voice in sports radio. And here I was at WB Al, where I’m controlled. Over there, you know, Jeff Beauchamp, Ed Kiernan, every word I uttered, you know, was closely monitored, right? And so they

Nestor Aparicio  41:19

never listened to my show,

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Greg Sher  41:22

bullshit

Nestor Aparicio  41:26

enough to hate me

Greg Sher  41:29

when I took over for Josh, when I took over for Josh Lewin, they their target was you. They told me that Jeff Beauchamp, you know, rest his soul. He told me that you know, Nestor Aparicio. You know, that’s the guy we have to keep down. That’s the guy we have to keep kind of under control. We got to make sure that he doesn’t get too big, too fast, like so I was Gregor

Nestor Aparicio  41:51

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aided in that when he took my press credentials.

Greg Sher  41:54

So, I mean, I was, that was Nestor Aparicio. I heard you in my, in my, my dreams, man, years. I’m like, you know, so by the

Nestor Aparicio  42:01

way, it’s good to have Josh Lewin back. By the way, I listen to him and and I know Holland is one of your contemporaries that you

Greg Sher  42:07

know. Like, I like Brett. Brett. He loves fantasy football, which I do. He loves horse racing, and he hits me every year. Hey, tell me, you know who the Derby winner is going to be. Unfortunately, this year, I got it wrong. Sorry, Brett, but he’s a great guy. You know he’s, he’s a Baltimore kid who’s

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Nestor Aparicio  42:22

so excitable on the air, like,

Greg Sher  42:24

cares a lot. Man, it’s

Nestor Aparicio  42:25

fun when, when the Orioles, when I get in the car for the 1015, minutes when I’m driving around between places at night, I listen, and he gets so excited. And I’m like, All right, this is good. This is fun. So

Greg Sher  42:36

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he’s a good person. Man, you know, at the end of the day, shouldn’t that matter? That

Nestor Aparicio  42:41

should matter. It

Greg Sher  42:43

doesn’t, but does it? But does it matter?

Nestor Aparicio  42:45

It matters to me. With you, if you weren’t a good person, I wouldn’t

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Greg Sher  42:48

have I understand. But when you know, does it matter to the people who you have to beg to get a press credential from? No, it shouldn’t. You know, it should. It doesn’t matter, but it

Nestor Aparicio  42:57

should. Mark, fine. This is what makes it worse, and I’ll drop the mic on this because you asked me about Chad steel Mark fine, who is the Orioles version of that has been helicoptered in from the UFC. So, you know, he has integrity, working for Dana White and that outfit out there. But he’s been my LinkedIn LinkedIn for 20 years. He worked for the Mets for a period of time, and when I my wife, was doing the give us bit tour in 15 Adam Schefter was my celebrity that night at the Mets game in New York, and Adam brought his brother and his daughter and his dad, and, like, it was a big we had a great time. But Mark fine knows I’m a media member and is still denying me media credentials. And that’s the part where I’m like, you know when you know better, and you’re still making poor decisions. Go get spanked on wnst. You know Greg shares here, he will sell you a mortgage. So literally, it’s as simple as if somebody’s listening and they’re buying a home and they have a realtor and they don’t have a bank, or you want to hear from them, right? You want to get one of your loan officers in front of them. If they’re in Rosedale, Parkville, Glen, Burnie, I’m there.

Greg Sher  44:03

Yeah, for sure, people can find me on Linkedin, G, R, E, G, S, H, E, R, drop me a line. Definitely follow me next

Nestor Aparicio  44:10

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time I have you on, we’re gonna go through the 21 Laws of Leadership behind you, on your back there. And any

Greg Sher  44:14

John Maxwell, man, I love that guy.

Nestor Aparicio  44:17

See you break that out. And here’s what I’m gonna do. I’m going to come in with, with with, with wooden’s pyramid of success, and we’ll, we’ll do a whole Tony Robbins hour together. You and I, we’ll talk any ravens note. We’ll do it once the Orioles are eliminated. So I’ll see you in early July. All right, I’ll hit you in July, and we’ll do, we’ll do a leadership summit. You and I. How about that?

Greg Sher  44:36

I do have faith that the Orioles ownership will get there, even if they have, even if they have to spend, you know, out of control to just from an ego standpoint,

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Nestor Aparicio  44:47

there’s the erogetti guy. Where’s the arrogance guy? He’s the big he’s the big pants. Watch him. That’s my media note to you. Eric Getty is running the place, trust me. I know these things.

Greg Sher  44:57

Alright, buddy. It’s great seeing you. Thank you, Baltimore. Miss you. Love you. What

Nestor Aparicio  45:01

do you mean? You’re here right now. You don’t miss them. You come up. You come up to a game with me. Get some crab kicks. Greg shares here. He knows where to get you know, I see your old man at Costas and Dundalk. Now he can go over to Timonium. It’s closer to home. He’s not looking for crabs. I was at Costas on Friday with Dick Girardi, with Luke Jones and with Mike Marlowe, telling old war stories from the newspaper industry. It is an old war story week. It is Preakness week here. We’re going to be on Wednesday at fadeleys. We’re going to be doing the crab races there that Bill Devine and Nancy Devine have been doing for almost 50 years. I will have the scratch off some Maryland treasures talking about law and order. Ivan Bates is going to be our guest on Wednesday. The Yankees are in town. I’m trying to corral Dave Sims to come down and have a crab cake with me as well talk some sports. Luke’s going to be coming by, and on the 21st we will christen the fish mongers daughter in Frederick, on Frederick Road in Catonsville, as the new faidleys location in Catonsville. And it’s fancy and upscale and awesome. I am Nestor. We are W, N, S T. Am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We never stop talking Baltimore positive.