Former Maryland Terps and NFL pass rush star Shawne Merriman discusses his Achilles injury and a tough first week in the NFL with the loss of Aaron Rodgers in New York and J.K. Dobbins here with the Ravens. His next Lights Out MMA card is on October 7 on FUBO.
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Shawne Merriman, Nestor Aparicio
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
Looking back at W n s t Jasper Baltimore and Baltimore positive we are positively celebrating our 25th anniversary weโre releasing our wn S T stories of glory itโs all brought to you by our friend security own foreign daughter got a big segment about cannabis so wellness and education this week with our newest sponsors as well and find it out of Baltimore positive. Weโre also doing the Maryland crabcake tour with the Maryland lottery win donation and our newest sponsors and Jiffy Lube. Weโre doing that on Friday, weโre going to be fadeless and then next Thursday Cocoโs I have the cocoa shirt on this guy knows a Maryland crab cake even though for me anyway south of Colombia you get down there to Laurel you know Lanham gig you know, itโs itโs DC itโs, they say DMV, thatโs the Cetus is Baltimore but I know this guy got some crabcakes down there at the University of Maryland heโs now I donโt know probably eat sushi or something out on the West Coast when heโs around. You know him as the likes out linebacker defensive end sensation of the one time San Diego Chargers and of course the Maryland Terps and promoting MMA and his MMA company and talking some get after the quarterback and some Achilles as well. We welcome Shawn Merriman Our defending champion Hey, how did the last the last matches go for you? I know you have another car coming up on October 7.
Shawne Merriman 01:16
Yeah, yeah, we got a huge car coming up lifetime extreme fight and 11 will be up in Long Beach and people can watch us on football TV football sports we just we crossed over 75 plus percent and viewership numbers we just jumped into the top five I think would football sports. And these are the next upcoming superstars man like that. That to me is why I got into the business and why I started running the running organization and why we launched because we wanted to get these next up and coming guys and opportunity to be seen before they make it to stardom right like theyโd be you know that that part of it was missing in the sport. Iโm glad that the fighters now are reaching all over the country man to come and see us get on a card and come fight and so people watch more football.
Nestor Aparicio 01:58
Well, Iโll tell you what, itโs youโre in a growth sport. But once this once they roll this football out so different this year for us because the baseball team, weโre playing baseball in October here we got a big series here. So I mean, in your youth, you remember all that with Cal Ripken and whatnot. But once football starts, I mean, it is theyโve got that commercial theyโre running now, which is a little sketchy given the gambling situation and can it be scripted or itโs unscripted? I mean, Aaron Rodgers thing just things like a Steeler staking and Joe burrow not being any good. And the lions beaten the chiefs and then and the Jets winning. I mean, the Cowboys blown out the judge. Itโs like, it really is a soap opera once this thing gets started, and itโs just everything else pales in comparison. It really does. Well, you know,
Shawne Merriman 02:42
obviously me being in combat sports donโt have an organization, we all know that football will be king. And it always will be especially here in this country. But you know, and because I played I understand why Right? Like youโre emotionally attached to whatโs going on. You know, youโre mostly attached to your favorite team, your favorite player. And so you see a guy like Aaron Rodgers go down on the fourth play the game and youโve like been waiting this whole offseason, youโve been watching hard knocks. Youโve been you know, hearing all the stories and tuning in, and your favorite player goes down. You know, the first game of the season for you know, four snaps in. Youโre emotionally invested in whatโs going on, man, Iโm even watching that game. I mean, he runs out there with the flag for 911. And the lights are going and Iโm sitting there Iโm shaking. I mean, this is a emotional thing, even for me as a former player, so I can only imagine what
Nestor Aparicio 03:32
a fan feels like. You know, I started covering the Ravens in 96. And Rob Burnett was my first friend on the team. He ate with me at Hooters the day they announced the name of the team before they announced named a team actually, he was on the junket from Cleveland to come over and he got hurt really, really bad crushed up. And I covered baseball, I played baseball, Iโve been around hockey players that had been injured and stuff. But seeing him on crutches, you know, at that period of time and seeing your livelihood seen what happened to Todd heap, who I knew pretty well, who had a hard time getting back on the field. And then you know, even Joe Flacco having to take it away and sitting and talking to him about All right, youโre trying to come back even after you win a Super Bowl and prove yourself again, and be what you used to be Tom Brady. Heโs won won five Super Bowls since the really bad injury. I mean, like amazing, but getting your headspace around it. I know. This is something that you dealt with. I had never dealt with until 2006. In my adult life. I lost a finger when I was a kid. But just spending a summer not being able to move and wondering when youโre gonna move again and have it it hurt like hell. It didnโt take away my salary. It changed my hope I was 38 years old Sean Iโve been doing sports my whole life. Once I saw like, Polish, you know, like, you know it, every part of it sucks. And youโve been through this.
Shawne Merriman 04:52
Yeah, and itโs the toughest thing to do. Right because the expectations the offseason workouts, youโre the promises to your team. I donโt know if it It feels Sarsgaard, the wide receiver there who Aaron Rodgers came and says Sorry, can apologize. I mean, itโs a lot of things is behind the scenes, I think and the craziest part is when I hear people say, Oh, well, heโs still making 20 million this year, we still you can replace that fill in the going out there with your teammates, in getting hurt, led and feeling that feeling of letting them down, letting the fan base down. And now youโre a rehab, Washington going out to practice every day. Thereโs nothing you can do to help write a good a bad game, you canโt get in and help your teammates. Thereโs no feeling like that. And what the Achilles expecially. What are Rogers? This is a long road to recovery. You know, I hurt when I blew my Achilles,
Nestor Aparicio 05:40
give me your story, when and where did yours happen?
Shawne Merriman 05:43
I had a partial a partial tear. And it was the same kind of thing that Richard Sherman had when he tore his Achilles, you get a partial tear was about a 30 or 40% tear, I wanted to go see Ron Anderson in North Carolina, who was one of the best foot and ankle doctors in the country. They didnโt want to do surgery on me until it was more than 50 or 60%. They were almost wanting it to be a clean snap like Aaron Rodgers had because you can go to go in and fix it right away. Mine was happening gradually, right? It tore 40% 50% And it got up to about 75 or 80% definitely went in and did it. But you can fill that thing pop and you could fill it fill a turn when Aaron Rodgers got up and then kind of bring you into the psyche of what happens with this Achilles injury. When he got up the first time. He didnโt know Right? Because it just feels like youโve been kicked. And that that that ligament from the heel detaches from your heel and then rolls up into your calf. And so when it happens, it just feels like someone kicked
Nestor Aparicio 06:39
me hurt like hell just talking about it like it is
Shawne Merriman 06:42
itโs not painful initially, but it just felt like someone kicked the hell out of you. In fact, when it happened to me, I was chasing Michael Vick when he was there with the with the Eagles. And I sat on the ground looking around and it was nobody near me 15 yards I thought one of my teammates did kick me. And so you have that feeling you stand up, you realize that itโs a serious injury, your foot drops straight down, it doesnโt have a ligament to pull it back up. So Iโve just I sympathize with Aaron Rodgers because of the pressure and the responsibility that he had with that team organization and him getting paid finally getting out of Green Bay. I sympathize for him or that the only thing is I think heโll come back if he really wants to go and play again and not hang it up. I think heโll be completely fine.
Nestor Aparicio 07:28
Shawn Merriman is our guest weโre going to talk some MMA Iโm certainly gonna talk some Terps he watches the Terps every week as well. You mentioned you know, Achilles injuries. We got JK Dobbins here over the weekend, you talked about getting paid or not getting paid. You went down that road to making sure you get paid for what you do so you can do these things that youโre enjoying later in life after your retirement appointees running backs, man, you know, I mean, Chad recently is a local agent here I sure you know, champion a tough guy to here locally. I had him out for a crab cake on our tour. And he was the Josh Jacobs working on that deal with running backs get screwed amongst all the guys. I mean, all you guys play hard, and thereโs an investment mentally, spiritually, physically for lifespan, all of those things for your families. But the running backs I mean, and to have this happen to this kid again here. I mean, I saw people in tears here.
Shawne Merriman 08:21
I understand it. Thereโs nothing like coming back from major injury and and having another major injury. Because youโve worked so hard that rehab process is grueling that therapy that the pain that certain days you donโt want to get out of out of bed because youโre just you have so much pain, youโre all these thoughts about whether you can even still play again if you do play again, well, you have a play at that level. And you finally get back there and then you go out and have what he had without Achilles and itโs such high hopes man like even me itโs kind of a former player and watching what theyโre building with the Ravens I was I couldnโt wait for JK dub I couldnโt wait to see him want to feel healthy and what he was going to be able to do to that team so I know this this the psychological fight that you have with yourself on a day in and day out basis when those things happen. He Iโm sure some days heโs now at this point for sure. Heโs like man, itโs just not for me, right? This ainโt this not in the stacking the deck of cards for me and Iโm sure heโs thinking about retiring moving on and I plan that goes through your mind it goes through everyoneโs mind. So I always sympathize when I see guys like that. You know, weโll make it back and have something like this happen.
Nestor Aparicio 09:27
So for you week one, you had a lot of week one some wins and losses, some big wins, big losses, whatever. We we wait all year for this, right? This is the hardest week of the year because youโre either thumbs up and your thumbs down for a week from the Ravens perspective mean you know they win the game, but itโs like oh, you know, like, complete Pyrrhic victory here. I mean, the center the left tackle the safety the running, but everybodyโs banged up trying to get Andrews back out on the field. And thereโs just that Cincinnati, they got their ass kick. You know, Pittsburgh got THRASS kicked him Thereโs thereโs places where you feel like I donโt know that weโve ever felt worse about week one when around here than we did with the injury report this week.
Shawne Merriman 10:08
Yeah and thatโs always the scariest thing my first of all though, the week one is the toughest because youโre itโs unexpected we donโt have a lot of film on the status most starters donโt play during the preseason. So the first time we get a chance to see what that team actually is capable of doing is week one right and so now youโre all excited to team one but one at what cost right five five guys injured one a couple of guys this down for the year or a long period of time like you got to go through those emotional battles they gotta figure it out. And you know, thereโs always going to be talk about the preseason and more games Iโve seen some coaches coming out saying that maybe they should have more priests like this a longer period whatever that is. At the end of the day football is football you cannot stop those injuries from happening especially some freakish what you know everybodyโs injury that can happen to anybody and that standpoint in that position he got put in JK Dobbins same thing that can happen you can explode off of that Achilles that and Achilles can go at any point. I donโt care if you had 10 preseason games, you already had that Achilles can go How do I
Nestor Aparicio 11:11
feel was trash. I just want to point that out. Thatโs
Shawne Merriman 11:15
no doubt about it. No doubt about the field was trash. I mean, no, no doubt about that. And I think that thereโs going to be some serious conversation here with the NFL coming up saying, Hey, guys, listen, we know that the cost benefits of having a turf and itโs concerts here and weโre saving, you know, $5 million a year or whatever that number is, but when you got a franchise quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, going down a fourth play the game, you got to at least look at it. JK Dobbins on some of these guys is going down with season ending injuries. Is that saving that three to $5 million a year and upkeep? Maybe itโs a lot more, Iโm just throwing a number out there. Is that is that upkeep a lot worse than your stock guy going down and I wouldnโt I wouldnโt debate that.
Nestor Aparicio 11:55
Shawn Merriman is here. He still watches the Terps as well as my first drink. Thanks for I get the Terps and even your sport. How old are you now? 39? Yeah, I was gonna say I thought you might have been a little older man, youโre in a hell of a shape and what are you like? Are you training to fight doing that sort of training? Like what where are you at this because you look like you could come back and I could get 1214 snaps out are you getting after the quarterback?
Shawne Merriman 12:20
You know, Iโm making a joke up and Iโm good for 20 Plus snaps a game if I really wanted to. But you know, for me, man, look, I think theyโre making that transition to combat sport because I trained with a lot of the fighters. When we get off here, Iโm going to spar, you know, a couple of professional boxes here in a couple hours. I just like that discipline, right? Iโm a Iโm a 535 oโclock in the morning. 530 waking up every single day Iโm in the gym doing this and Iโm working all day. I think I just think that transitioning because Iโm so used to a regimen thatโs all I know is that
Nestor Aparicio 12:50
so important for guys that retire, right?
Shawne Merriman 12:53
No doubt about it. You You look like
Nestor Aparicio 12:55
youโre still playing and I see other guys. No offense on the Ravens had a reunion last week. Some guys look really skinny or used to be big and they look fit some guys the other way. So some guys a little dough who are smaller guy. Like, thereโs no basis for all of your world class athletes when youโre 2325 28. I mean, itโs harder as you get older for all of us. You know it is
Shawne Merriman 13:17
it is but itโs more so a bit consistent, right? Like, Iโll never be as strong as I was, Iโm never going to move like I used to feel all the time is gonna kick all of our assets at some point in time. Itโs gonna get us but you can for sure prolong it by just taking care of yourself and being consistent.
Nestor Aparicio 13:32
Well, Iโll tell you what, what stays consistent. You watch church play and coach LOCKSS Danner trying to make this thing happen. Yeah. Interesting game early in the season. You never know how you know, the big 10 is big 10. But where are you in all of this in regard to the kid from Hawaii coming in and quarterbacking, which wasnโt really the way it worked at Maryland for a long period of time. And the fact that the NFL moneyโs there. I mean, there thereโs a possibility here for things to change, you know, at a place like Maryland for a thing like football and basketball.
Shawne Merriman 14:04
Yeah, no doubt about it. And you know, I was one of the guys thatโs lobbying to get Mike Locksley back there a long time ago. Iโve always said that. When he was running back coach day, he was a big part and a big reason why I went to University of Maryland at Vernon Davis and EJ Anderson to quote Jackson, you name it. He was a big part of us going in because we all trusted him not only as a coach but someone that you maybe look up to as a uncle right or Big Brother or something like that. And you just had that feeling. I always said this. If the DMV kids from DC, Maryland, Virginia, they stay home the top players Maryland can play with anybody in this country, period. You know, those guys that leave leave the state leave the area and go to Penn State of Florida State of Florida. You know, these Alabama they go to these other schools is kind of breaking everything up because of being held deal because Alabama was able to offer more money they got their access more money, but Maryland has a shot right now youโll look at the team what look what they did last year. They just got to go out and win the games. Theyโre supposed to win, right? Youโre supposed to be Charlotte, youโre supposed to be talented. Youโre supposed to be last year when they dropped against Northwestern to Purdue and like, youโre supposed to win those games. The games that is going to be in the middle that is going to be tough are the Michiganโs are the Ohio States, those games, you know, youโre going to be in a physical battle and you got to win one of those bigger games in order to get the notoriety that youโre looking for as as a programmer, but if youโre not excited about the church right now, maybe you just I donโt think you got to pause I mean, they got a real shot with a team that they have to wait quarterbacks is crossed over the 8000 yard mark the first quarterback in history at University of Maryland to do that theyโve got something special they did they just need to go and handle business.
Nestor Aparicio 15:42
Well, youโre handling your business with the MMA. You got the ecard coming up on October 7 we couple couple of weeks from now in the NFL parlance. Tell me about where the sport is. You know, I see stockmarket stuff and I see crossover stuff and the wrestling worlds change the boxing worlds change youโre in this space to be as you said maybe a first step for some of these guys but I know youโre looking to grow your business as well and thatโs this you donโt see a ceiling on this no is
Shawne Merriman 16:12
no ceiling and you know Iโve never gotten into the debate about you know trying to be UFC I think that us offering these guys an opportunity to get there is really cool for us and more importantly man Iโm fan oriented I always been fan first in the fans will tell us what they perceive as being in this in this sport, right which level organization would it kind of put us at? We want to keep the throne you know delivering great fights on football. You know these numbers that we have on football the fans are telling us exactly that. Hey, you guys are doing a good job. Weโre watching more weโre paying attention to these upcoming guys. So we got we got a big card October 7 will be live on fubo at 7pm Pacific
Nestor Aparicio 16:52
no pay per view this is food Yeah, this
Shawne Merriman 16:55
is the football itโs been football sports. You guys donโt have football get it they got this new multiview thatโs super cool. You can watch like three or four things at one time. They got a lot of other cool programs on there. And you know whatโs the crossover to the top five top 10 most watched football sports of all time that you know theyโve been around for almost eight years right international soccer so to be up there with those guys is saying a lot.
Nestor Aparicio 17:17
So I see the main event Morales and Tala for tell me about these young guys because, you know all these guys have a story. And you know, I always talk about the gladiator gladiatorial nature of of what you do and that itโs not necessarily always appealing to me the violence, but these guys train so hard and theyโre working their way up. I mean, you got a poster there on it. Thereโs a thereโs a real story behind these two people.
Shawne Merriman 17:43
No 100% So I bought Morales for the UFC before heโs been there. Heโs a veteran. Iโve trained with both of these guys but Musa and Oliver and I normally stay out of the matchmaking side of it unless I know thereโs bad blood unless I know that a gym doesnโt like another gym a manager doesnโt like another manager thatโs when Iโll get involved and say hey, I know these guys I know these gems I know these managers I noticed Bad Blood those are the fights that you want to put together you know theyโre gonna throw down and get after for the fan so we got you know Tommy Aaron is on his card as well who is a vet? Weโre man weโre really really stacked up got a weโre gonna knock a couple of former athletes football players a guy on AJ who played at Oregon play linebacker at Oregon. Heโs gonna be fighting as an amateur we canโt find a fight for this guy because nobody wants to fight him. So my goal is to transition more these former football players NFL guys over to lightside extreme fighting man that was that was a mission of mine getting into this sport long time ago.
Nestor Aparicio 18:42
Well not just the NFL guys guys who maybe donโt make the NFL or
Shawne Merriman 18:47
you got you let me tell you you got some world champions right now playing for the SEC that wonโt have a shot at the NFL right? only play one or two years. Say you know what? My time is done here. Iโm not gonna make it. Iโm still physically fit. I want to go compete in something else. And now thereโs real money in this sport, real opportunity. Thatโs where youโre seeing these guys making the transition now.
Nestor Aparicio 19:05
Lights out extreme fighting. It is on fubo sports. Itโs fu B O lights at 11 Itโs Saturday, October the sevens. Thunder studios thunder in Long Beach. Hey, man, youโre youโre like, way younger than me you Richard Pryor guy. I am I am you know Richard Pryor did the whole thing in the red suit of say going to Long Beach. Long Beach on October long beach is beautiful man. I you know, I drove down there down the one down to tour de Huntington. And you know, I tell anybody, itโs one of the most beautiful places on earth that part of the world is making that drive from LA down to San Diego on the coast and but youโre in Vegas, right?
Shawne Merriman 19:45
Iโm in Vegas, obviously. Cuz I still do a lot of work with the Chargers. Iโm in LA a lot. But Iโm everywhere. Man. Iโm on a plane every five to seven days. Iโm in Missouri, Saturday at the PBA the rodeo on Double Bass Fishing pro got a bunch of beans going to the going to the big show there. So Iโm a wherever airport is thatโs where I live.
Nestor Aparicio 20:07
Heโs been Shawn Merriman and he stops everything Saturday whenever the Terps kick off to watch the Terps play lights out fighting. Itโs October the seventh the fights Morales and Oliver itโs on fubo and you can learn more at lights out x f.com and you can find us at Baltimore positive. Appreciate your show. Thanks for stopping by crabcakes sometime soon. Mariela crabcake tour gonna be a fade. These are Friday. It will be Cocoโs on Thursday, and we are at the nest on Friday night celebrating Oriel baseball in all of its glory. First place glory weโll be there having some booze, wearing some black and celebrating Adam Jones with your Adam Jones letter up at Baltimore positive as well. Bringing the fun back for baseball and the Ravens are in Cincinnati. Stay with us.