Attorney Steve Miles tells Nestor why he’s still in Baltimore as he celebrates his 83rd birthday with us at Faidley’s Seafood on the Maryland Crab Cake Tour. Nothing better than spending time with the wisdom of old friends who never seem to age at all.

• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Get Steve Miles a crab cake from Luke during the Faidley’s segment as a thank-you gesture.
• [ ] @Nestor Aparicio – Host the next segment of the show at Faidley’s Lexington Market, including a discussion with Luke about fashion and throwback Orioles jerseys, followed by bringing Shana Hernandez onto the set to talk about markets around the city such as Cross Street and Harbor Island.

Celebrating Steve Miles’ 83rd Birthday at Faidley’s

• Nestor Aparicio introduces the show and mentions the Maryland crab cake contest sponsored by the Maryland lottery.
• Nestor shares his excitement about winning a checkup at GBMC and thanks Dermer for saving his basement during a flood.
• Nestor introduces Steve Miles, who is celebrating his 83rd birthday at Faidley’s, and reminisces about Steve’s long-time connection to Baltimore.
• Steve Miles talks about the familiarity and comfort of being home and the joy of reconnecting with old friends.

Memories of Past Legal Cases and Friendships

• Nestor recalls a past incident where Steve stood by his side during a riot, showing his loyalty and friendship.
• Steve mentions a potential lawsuit involving Angelo’s, but insists he did it out of friendship rather than financial gain.
• Nestor reflects on Angelo’s life, expressing sympathy for his struggles and the negative public perception despite his charitable contributions.
• Steve shares a story about Jim Palmer, advising Nestor to outlive his adversaries, which Nestor finds amusing and insightful.

Reflections on Memorial Stadium and Orioles Fandom

• Steve reminisces about his season tickets at Memorial Stadium and the unique corporate sign he had for his ornithological society.
• Nestor and Steve discuss the high cost of attending games at Camden Yards compared to the affordable prices at Memorial Stadium.
• Steve mentions the high cost of attending NFL games and the difficulty of affording tickets for his wife’s friends.
• Nestor and Steve talk about the changes in the Orioles’ fan base and the impact of high ticket prices on attendance.

The Impact of Modern Baseball and Umpire Technology

• Nestor and Steve discuss the new strike zone technology and its impact on the game, noting the increased pace and reduced delays.
• Steve shares his initial skepticism about the new technology but acknowledges its benefits for the game.
• Nestor compares the new strike zone to American Idol or Dancing with the Stars, highlighting the added drama and conflict.
• Steve and Nestor discuss the changes in umpiring and the modern approach to calling balls and strikes.

The Challenges of Modern Sports Media and Fan Engagement

• Nestor and Steve talk about the challenges of streaming services like Apple TV and the impact on fan engagement.
• Steve expresses concern that the fragmentation of sports media is driving fans away from watching live games.
• Nestor shares his experience of attending a game in Toronto and the difficulty of finding the game on TV due to streaming restrictions.
• Steve and Nestor discuss the importance of making games accessible to fans and the potential negative impact of restricting access.

The Role of Advertising in Legal Profession and Personal Branding

• Steve reflects on his decision to advertise his law firm on TV, which was uncommon for lawyers at the time.
• Nestor praises Steve for his innovative approach to advertising and its impact on his legal career.
• Steve explains the initial resistance from other lawyers to his advertising strategy but acknowledges its long-term success.
• Nestor and Steve discuss the evolution of advertising and its importance in building a personal brand in the legal profession.

The Charm and Familiarity of Baltimore

• Steve shares his love for Baltimore, highlighting its ease of access, friendly atmosphere, and familiarity.
• Nestor and Steve discuss the negative perception of Baltimore due to media portrayals and the need to promote its positive aspects.
• Steve mentions the logistical advantages of living in Baltimore and the sense of community it offers.
• Nestor and Steve talk about the importance of preserving Baltimore’s unique character and the challenges of maintaining a vibrant city.

The Future of Baltimore and Its Markets

• Steve discusses the decline in Baltimore’s population and the impact on the city’s tax base and infrastructure.
• Nestor and Steve talk about the importance of supporting local businesses and the role of markets like Lexington Market in maintaining Baltimore’s character.
• Steve praises the recent renovations at Lexington Market and the increased foot traffic it has brought.
• Nestor and Steve discuss the potential for advertising Lexington Market on TV to attract more visitors and support local vendors.

The Legacy of Steve Miles and His Contributions

• Nestor reflects on Steve’s contributions to Baltimore and his long-standing friendship with Steve.
• Steve shares his thoughts on retirement and the importance of staying active and engaged in the community.
• Nestor and Steve discuss the impact of Steve’s advertising strategy on the legal profession and its lasting influence.
• Steve expresses gratitude for the support and friendship he has received over the years and looks forward to continuing to contribute to Baltimore’s community.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Baltimore, Steve Miles, crab cakes, Maryland lottery, GBMC, Orioles, Memorial Stadium, Camden Yards, Apple TV, baseball, advertising, legal profession, Lexington Market, Jim Palmer, Angelo’s.

SPEAKERS

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Nestor Aparicio, Steve Miles

Nestor Aparicio  00:00

Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T. Am 1570 to Baltimore. We’re back here at Fayette Lee’s election to market. It is the Maryland crab cake torch presented by the Maryland lottery. There’s four different they did this art contest last year, and we had four artists that had four different winning art pieces. One is Ocean City. One is the bridge, a bay bridge, and some horses and some crabs and some herons. I’ve been giving these away. People are excited to get them. Haven’t any winners yet, but we’ll have winners. Everybody’s winner to Maryland lottery. Our friends at GBMC as well. I’ll be a winner when I get my checkup later on in the month. Know that I’m healthy at 57 GBMC, keeping me alive and foreign, and Dermer, when I had that flood last Wednesday morning, saved my keister and my basement, and my wife is appreciative. She’s in Italy right now. Stephen l miles, the man, the myth, the legend is here we are at faidley’s Having crab cakes, trying to have some fun. So I was talking to Baltimore, and you talked about being in Santa, Barbara, your whole life is in Baltimore. You never, you never You can’t leave here, right? I mean, and

Steve Miles  01:02

everybody I know who moved away, friends, they all end up coming back. Something about being home. What is it? I think it’s the familiarity and sitting down with an old friend that you haven’t seen for 30 years. Time stand stills.

Nestor Aparicio  01:18

You can’t, you can’t visit old friends when you’re in Peru, right?

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Steve Miles  01:23

I can’t visit them. And also, I think they reach a point in life where you become acquaintances. You know what I mean? Like, I’ve known you for a zillion years now, so I haven’t seen you for years. This is fun, but it’s like, what time stood still? You’re the same, Nestor, that’s

Nestor Aparicio  01:36

my point. It was 20 years ago that you stood with me when they were trying to when Angeles was gonna arrest me if a riot, right? Right? At that free the birds, right? You literally met me as my lawyer and stood next to me and sat next to me in case they pulled some shit. Right? Literally, that’s kind of guy you are, yeah, 20

Steve Miles  01:59

years probably also thinking about a lawsuit. I can make some money, but yeah, I did it out of the goodness, no, you did you want? You want to sue Angelo’s? No, I’m just saying, listen to me throwing you out

Nestor Aparicio  02:08

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couple things about Angelos that I don’t talk much about him, and certainly, you know, he’s been dead two years, and the day he died, everybody reached to me thinking I was going to have some Trump, awful thing. I mean, at the end of his life, I felt sorry for him having that kind of money in that kind of life and not being able to enjoy being the king of the Orioles. He did not enjoy he

Steve Miles  02:29

didn’t enjoy it, and he was always kind of like miserable. And the tragedy of his life was he gave so much money to charities and stuff, but he just always had bad optics. He really couldn’t read the room. And I mean, because on paper, the guy really died. He couldn’t read. Even won the smoking lawsuit, and the public wanted to hang him because he got a half, a half a billion dollar fee. But he actually was entitled. He was entitled to a billion, but he cut it in half. And somehow or other they mention they still they still hated them. I felt bad for the guy.

Nestor Aparicio  03:05

Well, he was his own worst PR machine in a lot of ways, but you gave me a piece of advice, and I’m gonna tell you what Jim Palmer said to me Jim hennemann’s funeral, because not many people come up to me and talk to me about him. Like, the day he died, there was some weird like, Nestor is happy. I’m like, What do you mean? The new owner treats me worse for no good reason to be honest with you, you told me that day, and you said it in your flip it. Steve Miles, way, you’re like, you outlive him. That’s what you said to me. You’re like, you’re gonna outlive him. Well, I outlived him. There you go. You were like, you’re gonna live longer. You’re gonna be happier. And that’s what you told me 20 years ago, when I was 36 and I thought I ruled the world. I’m 57 now. I’m like, well, he’s gone. The kids have all the money. They have very little of the glory. They had really not a lot of fun. And I hope they’re having fun with all the money they made. I mean, and if you’re not, if you made $2 billion and you’re not having a good time, that’s on you, you know, because the rest of us are here trying to figure

Steve Miles  04:04

this out right now, I had season tickets for very long time at Memorial Stadium, and for a good while the new ballpark, until I couldn’t even give them away, because theirs were so bad. But did you know in Memorial Stadium at that time, if you got a box, they actually had a box with a rail around that

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Nestor Aparicio  04:21

with metal rail. I

Steve Miles  04:23

had the only corporate sign that wasn’t the name of my company, and they allowed it. It was The SLM Ornithological Society. And I have a great picture of the last game of that.

Nestor Aparicio  04:36

That was your LLC. That was they

Steve Miles  04:38

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bought the tickets. Oh, yeah. I just know. I just made have it on there, yeah, and they let

Nestor Aparicio  04:43

you know his name on your Well, I

Steve Miles  04:45

wanted to be ornithological because SLM, it said, That’s SLM or Theological Society, because we are bird watching. And I’ve got a picture in my house. The last day, it was me, my good friend, Andy pine and Gary Williams were there in the. And I got the tickets framed fourth row behind the visitors dugout.

Nestor Aparicio  05:06

Fourth row, that was the first base side.

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Steve Miles  05:08

Then $11 a ticket. Could you imagine 11?

Nestor Aparicio  05:13

Mind them turning a buck or Alonzo? I don’t even mind. I’m charging $20 for a beer. It does go back to like, where’s the accountability? They’ve taken $600 million they’ve thrown the press box. Move that out for this truest club. They think people got $500 a game to go down there. You’ve lived here a long time. You know a lot of rich people, the rich people in the city, the few that there are, who are their customers. You know, I mean all of our lives, the customers were you and your poor kid working for Uncle Jack over luskins and East Point me and my dad, my dad getting a senior, senior ticket, and me getting a kid ticket and going out and sitting in the bleachers, the gold bleachers in left field for a buck and a half. That’s why we went to the game a lot, because it was affordable. We felt welcomed. It felt like a place black, white, young, old. It was non denominational, going to a ball game. We could all love the Orioles. They’ve classed it out. And I think Camden yard started that with the wine and cheeses coming up from DC and the north of grumman’s buying a pub started.

Steve Miles  06:13

And course, the NFL football tickets now are just so, so expensive for people. But it’s a good point. My wife has a girlfriend, she has two big sons, and she can’t get your tickets from free, for free from her law firm, but she can’t afford to go for free anymore because of the parking because what it costs for a beer, and her kids are big guys, and eating that, it’s a $200 night just to eat. No, it’s unbelievable. It’s they just yesterday, where I was, wherever I was, Costco, or Sam’s Club, whatever, and you get the certificates. Actually, was Costco and Glenn Bernie picking up for the for the charity, where you could get selected games box seats for $49 a piece. Now you know that are their games, that they’re the these are not New York Yankee games or playing the Dodgers on occasion, whatever. And but that is like a bargain. But it’s that’s 100 bucks 20 to park, and then your kid, mommy kind of have some peanuts, can I so you’re $200 Wednesday night. It’s become a very class thing. It’s an absolute class.

Nestor Aparicio  07:20

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You watch the games. You’re you still an oral fan? Are you engaged? No, not like pitching tonight, no.

Steve Miles  07:28

So you’re not a watch sometimes, because it helps me fall

Nestor Aparicio  07:30

asleep at night. That’s what my wife says. Although this new strike zone right keeps me on my toes, it is interesting. It’s been, it’s been the greatest

Steve Miles  07:41

addition to baseball. I was anti it, old school kind of guy, but it’s great and and it goes fast, it doesn’t delay the game. And when you think about it, you shouldn’t decide a game because a guy blows a call, because how’s it better? He doesn’t know when to swing or not swing. So it’s, it’s good for the game I’ve been throwing out for

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Nestor Aparicio  08:03

20 years. So I don’t talk to umpires, or the modern umpires. I go back to Nestor Shylock and Don denger and, you know, Ken Kaiser, you know, which were all like the nastiest gym teachers ever, which is, you’re not gonna, you know, we’re not calling, I’m no question. We’re not gonna question anything. I’m god out on the field, right? The modern part of this is the umpire getting it right or wrong. And I thought all along, well, they’re just trying to fire the umpires. They’re gonna make it like tennis, where there’s just gonna be a line and it turn around right? And I thought, no, no, no, that within the first week. And I realized, no, this is like American Idol or like Dancing with the Stars. There’s conflict now. Oh no. If it was just a ball or striking, the computer called it. Nobody could argue. There’d be nothing to talk about. It wouldn’t be fun. This is way more interesting.

Steve Miles  08:49

And I love and I love when they were throughout the manager, cause he said, our guy didn’t touch our picture didn’t touch fast enough, you know. Well, the

Nestor Aparicio  08:56

thing it reminded a lot of was being in Cuba. You mentioned Cuba and Trump in 99 I went to Cuba with the Orioles, and I’ve told this story a couple times this month, but we went to the World Series, the Cuban World Series game the night before the Castro game. You remember on TV down there, and we had the Prince and the passes, and they’re like, hey, there’s a ball game tonight. We’re like, Hey, we’re in Havana. What else we gonna do? You know? So we went to the ballpark that night was passed. Was packed, packed with Cuban people, regular people weren’t the hoi polloi that were at the Castro game. And it was a real game. It was the red team and the green team, and they didn’t like each other. And there was a bad call. And when a bad call happens in Latin America, they whistle. So you got 50 P 50,000 people whistling right, and the umpire and the manager comes out and they’re Hispanic and they’re ripping up the rule, but it’s all that Earl Weaver shit, you know what I mean? And I’m like, Yeah, I remember that 30 years later. And I’m like, Well, if you can’t argue balls and strikes, you take away all of that conflict that creates. I don’t want to see a fight on the field, but whatever Lou Pinnell and Tommy Lasorda and Earl Weaver did what Albernaz did on Sunday, yelling balls drinks, I think there, there’s a part of baseball that’s going to celebrate that conflict in the way they’re celebrating the Latin guys bat dropping. Now that’s okay, right? You don’t get you don’t get Bob Gibson or Drysdale throwing at your chin anymore. I think the modern game is going to have to be for your grandkids, and my grandkids, my kid doesn’t care, more theatrical. And I think this strike zone thing leads to strike zone

Steve Miles  10:37

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helps it, because baseball, in and of itself, can be boring. It doesn’t have the pace like the football and you have so many games, and you want to get the younger people there, and that’s, I think, a big part of the problem, because of the expense of getting younger people out, and then you can’t take them out on school nights anyway, like moving a lot of the games earlier, especially in the summer, would be a good thing, but they don’t. I think it pulls down to Nestor, you would you rather have a packed house and have less price per ticket, or just have mainly these corporate tickets, and you don’t care if the people are there, and of course, that you can only get away with willing to spend

Nestor Aparicio  11:12

20 bucks on a beer. Don’t go, right? And they’re saying to you, then don’t go, go to go to the corner bar and get a $5 beer. Watch it on TV, right? Their media model. Today’s a great example to Steve, you watching the game tonight.

Steve Miles  11:26

I’ll record it sure to watch Apple TV. Oh, it’s on apple.

Nestor Aparicio  11:31

Oh, yeah, yeah. And then probably not watching the game tonight.

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Steve Miles  11:35

And what’s amazing about that, which I think is the point you’re making, is the fact that they they’re making it harder. Like I like you in the old days, you go, I’ll watch a game tonight. Put the game on the Now Is it on parrot? In other words, the streaming things that they’re grabbing the quick, high priced Buck because they must apples, got to be paying a big number. But losing sight of the fact you’re losing fans when you do that, because the fans forgetting even the price. Who’s got the time or energy? Am I on Netflix? Am I on the World

Nestor Aparicio  12:10

Register for Apple TV tonight if I didn’t have it to watch an Oriole giant?

Steve Miles  12:15

So the point is that they’re grabbing that money from what Apple TV is paying for it, but losing sight of the fact it will hurt you eventually, very badly, because the fans, they’re going to give up and go if it’s on its own, if it’s not, it’s on, I’m not going to kill myself going to the media figuring out which one of the streaming services is it on pay. I think the phrase is penny wise and dollar foolish for the for putting for not having it same place all the time. Get your best TV contract, but keep it in one spot so people can find it.

Nestor Aparicio  12:49

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End of story. I woke up this morning and was researching like, Luke’s coming, Bob, we’re gonna do some football today here, by the way, we’re fadley’s at Lexington market. Stephen l Miles is my guest. He’s feeling good. 83 years old this week. This young man is and he’s been my friend for three decades, since I’ve been on the radio. I woke up at three, four in the morning and John Miller, I invited today. Okay, because John’s in town, and he wrote me back these he’s very funny, and he’s very nice to he’s always been nice to me. Little Louise guy, you know all that? He texts me five times last week when I told him about this. He’s like, my wife has a sky box. We have 44 people coming to the sky box. It’s like a reunion. He’s like, I don’t know how to tell the giants that I probably should take the weekend off and just entertain my friends instead of actually calling the game. He’s like, it’s a shame I actually have to call three games here this weekend so he couldn’t come down today. But you think about the glory era and the good times we had Memorial Stadium, and the fact that they’re still eating off

Steve Miles  13:43

of that going, going back to Andrew. How do you let John Miller walk?

Nestor Aparicio  13:47

How do you invite him to walk?

Steve Miles  13:48

How do you let you invite how do you how do you offend him? How do you do that? I mean, this guy is thick is so great for the game and friend and such for the franchise.

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Nestor Aparicio  13:59

How do you let that guy wall? So Jim Palmer came up to me, and I have not told this story in the air, but I’m gonna tell it to you. Jim Henneman died last year. Jim and I were colleagues in the 80s, of course, and His funeral was a baseball Baltimore, who’s who? Except the front office people, the Orioles weren’t there because they didn’t respect them enough, the new people, the Rubenstein people, didn’t know anything about you. Man, I walk into a funeral home, and you know, Tim Curtin is over there, Rick Vaughn’s over there, and Jim Palmer, who I hadn’t seen in 15 years, probably I haven’t talked to Jim Palmer 15 years, blocked me on Twitter. I don’t even know why I love Jim Palmer. You know, I thought maybe he doesn’t run his own account, but whatever, you know, are politically different, but he came up to me at the funeral and could not have been any warmer. It was a beautiful thing. Came up to me, made a joke about Angelos and me, and then proceeded to tell me that he doesn’t really get treated any better than I do that all of these years into this, he’s not allowed in the locker room. Yeah, he’s not allowed to talk to the player they I’m like, You’re Jim Palmer, and you’re getting you’re

Steve Miles  15:06

treated like that, so you don’t have a shot, Nestor.

Nestor Aparicio  15:09

So Right, exactly. I’m like, so I don’t feel so

Steve Miles  15:13

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special. It’s not personal.

Nestor Aparicio  15:14

Palmer can’t get in. I went out to bet to Philo a year and a half ago. This was the night before Trump got elected. So it’s November 6 or seventh, 1817, months ago, Rubenstein was giving his speech. He bought the team, and he’s out there. Everybody’s there. I’m the only guy without the yarmulke. You know, came out to Pikesville, and everybody in the synagogue knows me. I sat with Mark renbaum, and a bunch of friends were there. He gave a speech. I waited to the end of the end, lot of kids had baseballs and they wanted this signed or because he’s wearing his Oriole hat. You know the it kind of looks like the fourth guy in going in style to me, like art Carney, remember three guys? One was God, who was it? George Burns, right? He kind of reminds me of the fourth going in style guy when he’s got the fishing hat on. I walked up to him and a little backstories. The day he bought the team, I was running around Camden Yards on opening day, my wife texted me. She was watching the game at home. She’s like, hey, the new guy that bought the team, the Steve Martin guy. He just said Louie Aparicio is his favorite Oriole. So I said, Well, whenever I meet him, this isn’t obvious, right? That I meet him. I waited at the synagogue. It’s not a, you’re Jewish. I’m not what is the name of the it’s not a, it’s not a pulpit in your church. What is it called the centerpiece in that beautiful room? And it means a stage. I don’t know what the name but, but it’s, it’s a blessing. Oh yeah, nonetheless. So I, I waited for the line to clear out. I got in the back of the back of the line, and Greg Ash was the one that told me to come down there. And I went up and said, Mr. Rubenstein, I’m Nestor Aparicio. I’ve done sports radio here for 35 years. Louie’s my cousin. I hear that Louie was your favorite lawyer. Yeah. He thought, I want. He had a Sharpie out. He thought, I want. I’m like, listen, and I and this was right after the playoff games where they got stunked, and the stadium had 10,000 empty seats. That second playoff game, playoff game with 10,000 empty seats, tickets were 10 bucks. Nobody wanted to come. I came up to him, and I said the thing to him that I’ve said on the air, that I’ve said this President, I said, Mr. Rubenstein, there’s been a lot of trauma here. The minute I said that, his eyes glazed over, and he I saw the back of his head. He turned away from me, looking for another autograph to sign. And I thought to myself, I’m done like the arrogance. I wonder if somebody

Steve Miles  17:39

poisoned the well. Somebody said, Here I am out of his

Nestor Aparicio  17:43

church on a Thursday night or Tuesday night and saying, Hello, I gave him my car. He didn’t want my car. And I’m like, okay, you don’t want me involved with your baseball team. That’s sad. That’s sad. I wonder again. And then when I talked to Jim Palmer, that’s sad to me, the way I was treated this offseason. It’s sad, no, it’s really sad. As I woke up before this morning and I went on the San Francisco Giants website. And Davey Lopes died yesterday, and he was one of the really good humans I ever met in baseball. Wonderful man and every and universally beloved. But I went on the website I was looking to pitch. I was like, trying to, who are the Giants, like Raphael Devers, trying to think who plays on the team, who’s pitching, right? So I was just gonna do a little turn. So I sounded smart when I talked to Luke, and I looked on it said, Apple TV tonight. Four o’clock. Is west coast. Four o’clock Apple TV. I’m like, Well, I’m watching the game, no question, this time last year, Luke and I, but yeah, Apple TV.

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Steve Miles  18:44

Apple TV, okay, but your point is nobody’s gonna buy it to watch a game or a couple of watch movies, and you’re not gonna go to the effort

Nestor Aparicio  18:52

to even. But here’s the real problem, Steve, last year, I went to Toronto for the opener. And you know how we always in Baltimore, we give that next day off. We don’t have to do that Toronto. They got a dome. They have to worry about it raining on opening day, right? So they had opening day was Thursday, and then our flight back was Saturday from Buffalo. So Luke went to the game on Friday because he’s got a press pass from Ron pyro’s kid who runs the Blue Jays Mark, who I know, well, Baltimore guy denied me a press credential in two countries now. So I went up to Toronto, and on that Friday night, I paid for my ticket. On Thursday, went with Howard share and all of his goons. We had a good time. They bought me vodka drinks. Orioles won rushman at two home runs opening day. The next game is Friday night, and I’m out at the bar. Went to the keg up in Toronto, and I and the Raptors were playing, obviously, basketball. Seems April, actually late March, and he’s and I said, is the game on tonight on Apple TV? He’s like, no one in the city will have the game tonight in Toronto, there’s 5 million people, right? The Blue Jays went to the World Series last year. This is the second game of that season on a Friday night. Every single bar in Toronto, the games at the dome. If you want to go to the game, you go to the game. But we don’t subscribe to Apple TV in our bar, so the game’s not going to be on bars in Baltimore tonight, either, to your point, except by restricting the game. If I’m out tonight at Costas and I want to watch the game, they have to figure out how to rip down amp Apple TV in order to get the game,

Steve Miles  20:20

I don’t get their logic. So I’m assuming that Apple TV has put out a big number

Nestor Aparicio  20:26

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to Major League Baseball.

Steve Miles  20:27

But how they don’t say to one another, yeah, but here’s all the they can give you 25 negative reasons to do that, and not one positive outside of that quick buck.

Nestor Aparicio  20:39

How can it be a good idea that the game’s not on television tonight in San Francisco either. No, if you’re in downtown San Francisco, unless you have Apple TV, you’re not watching.

Steve Miles  20:47

It’s the short sightedness of it that like, I like the behavior, there’s no question, because you’re you don’t have it, you know. Again, it’s also the human nature. I’m not going to go search around, like, what streaming? Because eventually they’re all going to start bidding each other on the streaming services. And again, you gotta it’s got to be one. It’d be like fraley’s market here, which, by the way, is great been takes you back to my law school days. No, it’s the great. It’s the greatest. How many times I was here during law school? Because it’s right up for from the law school, and it’d be like if families had a different location every day, people stopped coming. Are they on Howard Street today? Are they on East monument today? They go, forget it. Let’s go. We’ll go to Starbucks. It’s right across from law school. What’s there every day. We’ll do that so that that’s the astonishing thing, that it is so stupid. Well, you’re

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Nestor Aparicio  21:46

genius in your day. Stephen l miles, our guest, the reason anybody even knows who you are is you took 10% 20% 40% of your original budget and gave it to channel 1311, and two right to put your let’s talk about it. Sure. I don’t even know. Where did you come up with all that? I mean, like, was that your Uncle Jack being the cheapest guy in town, and knowing

Steve Miles  22:09

that I grew up in a retail business?

Nestor Aparicio  22:12

Well, lawyers couldn’t advertise. You were the first one that could. Yeah, you couldn’t,

Steve Miles  22:15

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ever you couldn’t, which is kind of funny, and of itself, that lawyers who will send lawyers to to file a lawsuit so that the crazy groups have the right to parade, but the lawyers, with themselves attack, would not let other lawyers advertise for freedom of speech like they want to give it to the lawyers. It was very bizarre. It was a little

Nestor Aparicio  22:39

bit tawdry that you advertise right? Be like a doctor advertising. If I was a doc, I don’t need to ever. I’m such a great doctor. Lawyers don’t advertise. No lawyers advertise. Back in your era, you were

Steve Miles  22:50

really the young lawyers. Ought to thank me. I’m like, I was like the Jackie Robinson of the time, because Jackie took the arrows. He took some crap. Yeah. And I, because the other lawyers, they all hated lawyers advertising. And I really say the reason was two and one, they didn’t want me getting the business as a result of advertising. Number one. And they always had this holier than now, and it’ll cheap in the profession, but so I took the bullets for them. Number one, I took the equivalent of the n words for poor Jackie Robinson. What that poor guy went through being the first black guy course in baseball. And I think it was also because they wanted to protect their fiefdom. And the best thing that happened to lawyers now is the fact that all the hospitals advertise, okay, that changed the landscape scape on that because they were part of putting them the money up for the Bar Association. They get a lot of donations to fight lawyers from average. What was your percentage

Nestor Aparicio  23:45

of advertising in the early days, when you just had an office or two, right? And you became famous in my world, I just started seeing you on evening magazine or on TV or in the news. You were a unique dude in a suit, and let’s talk about it. And you were ubiquitous. I’m sure that time it was just incredibly expensive for you to advertise.

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Steve Miles  24:07

It Right? Expensive, but you could, as the first one, you could do it easy. In other words, first off, you basically had three stations. You had WB, FF, and if you wanted to watch reruns and hop along, Cassidy, if you hold the antenna head and then so, so you basically, you only had three stations, and there was no competition. So you could start off slow. And then when I saw it working the first day, then I started to, yeah, and I started pouring, pour, you know, money into it. Nowadays, a young guy coming out, they got to have a strong bankroll to get to advertise, because there’s so it’s so bifurcated advertising that it’s the best thing that ever happened to busses, best thing to the billboard guys. I mean, it’s made them a fortune, because you got to do alternative, because you can’t reach it like I could. And what I would do is one month, I’d give all the money to channel 2w, M, A, R, I. Another month, I’d give it all, because that way you pick up everybody and but again, it’s a strategy that was, oh no, no question I had. Again, I was always involved either with luskins and my uncles had car dealerships, burger motors at the time, sure, and I did a lot of stuff for them. So I knew about marketing and advertising. But it was easier. That was a good thing, as I look back, that you could do it slow and easy, and then once you started seeing it’s working, then you could go for it like much faster than normal. In other words, how much of my paycheck do I want to put towards this? Well, it started working right away. It was the

Nestor Aparicio  25:36

greatest thing advertising. Imagine that everybody could do that. My friends at foreign and Durham are advertised with me, GBMC and our friends at the Maryland lottery. Look, I brought you down here not to run your ragged, not to talk about I brought you in here. Have a crab cake, and you got me that Dinosaur Barbecue book 25 years ago, and I still get Barber. And I am grateful to you. Luke’s here now, so I’m gonna get you a crab Mr. Luke. But yeah, he’s fan of yours, Luke, by the way, last thing for because, if we’re Baltimore positive and you don’t visit me much, what do you love about Baltimore? What? What? What? When you meet someone on an airplane, to meet somebody in Santa Barbara, and they shit on Baltimore, why are this or that? You’re like, look 83 years as of this week, birthday crab cake for Steve. You’re still here. You could be anywhere. You could you could have lived. You could just decide to go to California, Florida, wherever you want to go. When people ask you, what’s great about Baltimore? What do you say, other than faith? Is crab cakes?

Steve Miles  26:33

I think it’s an easy city. Number one, I like logistically. It’s so easy to get around. You can live 25 minutes out of Baltimore and have 25 acres if you want it, it’s really, you know, you don’t have to get on a train or drive for two hours, and it’s just home. You know, I know a lot of rich guys that move away from Baltimore, they all come back. It’s the familiarity of it. And I actually find Baltimore to be a friendly town, I really do. And it’s, you’re right, I kind of started with the wire, which was actually pretty accurate at the time, but it’s created this, this negative thing. But, yeah, it says Baltimore. Look, it’s a blue collar town, and it is what it is, so to speak. And I think everything kind of gets blown out of proportion. And it’s, it’s a problem.

Nestor Aparicio  27:21

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You know, we’re at Fay Lee’s right now, relaxing market. 150 people in here. People. Luke’s got his ball cap on. He’s ready to go. And this is the way it’s supposed to be. I mean, for me, no question, they redid the market. It’s beautiful down here. We want to welcome everybody down

Steve Miles  27:37

let me give you credit for the ball. But by the way, foreign Dermer and I have no connection. Now, they took air all my properties when I practice. And the old man, they were, they were, they were really terrific people. But you know, the population from years ago, when I started practicing loan was over a million. Now you’re down to half a million and you have a small tax base. I don’t know what you do about that, but yeah, that’s the big part of the problem with it, and the tragedy of it is because there are, there’s so many people walking around here, and this actually would be a great ad on TV for the Lexington market. Like there are soft

Nestor Aparicio  28:12

crab sandwich here we got oysters. No, it’s a great I gotta get you crab cake. Stephen l miles, we talked about it like we always do. He’s got nothing to plug. He’s not coming for the injury case. He’s in semi retirement. He doesn’t even golf as Gary Williams doing, I know you. Gary’s doing great, good.

Steve Miles  28:28

He’s got a good luck. She happy.

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Nestor Aparicio  28:30

I think he’s always he never strike. He can’t tell. He’s got

Steve Miles  28:35

a great wife, great family. And he, he, yeah, Gary land, your name on the court. So just

Nestor Aparicio  28:41

tell him he should be happy. I remember when he won the national championship, he came out to art Donovan’s place in a church. You might have been there that night, all the terms, oh, my God, we finally won. Gary came out two weeks after he won. I’m like, Gary, you just take, take the chip off the shoulder. Your name’s on a cool I just he all he was never happy in my present. You’re pretty

Steve Miles  29:04

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warm guy with a great sense of humor. I hear you, but he’s very happy.

Nestor Aparicio  29:08

Beautiful notes over here. He’s got a great

Steve Miles  29:11

wife there. Have a great marriage. He’s happy

Nestor Aparicio  29:15

our guy. I’m like calling your PR guy, but I can’t call you to ain’t doing it, right? I call your PR guy. I didn’t call your wife. I am the PR guy. Well, I know that’s why you’re Stephen l miles, my guest. All are brought to you by the Maryland lottery. I do finally. John Martin, I want you to see I have the new scratch offs. There’s four different kinds. I don’t know whether to hold the horse up or the boardwalk or the bridges or the birds or the crabs. We’re faintly at Lexington market. Luke and I are going to talk fashion, fashion. I brought my Orioles throwback Jersey, and I want you to explain to me how these throw up jerseys you city connects could possibly be better than a proper Doug to sense a throwback from 79 back for more from Fayette Lee’s my friend Steven l miles, we’re also gonna have Shana Hernandez down from the markets. We’re gonna talk about all the markets in the city, including cross street. I. Islands, all of them back on Fells Point. I’ll leave that one out back for more from Fay Lee’s right after this.