Our Chief Digital Officer Mike Rosenfeld of Web Connection takes Nestor on amazing journey through the power of Artificial Intelligence and the power of AI technology.
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Nestor Aparicio 00:01
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Mike Rosenfeld 02:07
area. Well, look, I look, I’m in the business. And I’ve been doing this for 28 years, and every maybe three to five years, there’s just a major technology shift or, or, or new direction. And what we’re going to talk about today is artificial intelligence, which is not a new term. What if
Nestor Aparicio 02:30
I have real intelligence? What is it? What is artificial intelligence? I don’t even know what it means. Well, it’s intelligent. Now I sound like that old clip of what’s his name on today’s show saying, what’s the internet? Right? I’m gonna look back and laugh at this right?
Mike Rosenfeld 02:47
Well, I’ve I’ve always said, I always hate when people give a definition, including in the definition, the word that you’re defining, but you asked artificial intelligence is intelligence that’s artificial, that’s programmed, in this case by programmers to create an output that is not from a human, but comes across as being from a human. So
Nestor Aparicio 03:11
sort of like the Russian conservative Patriot things were on Facebook five years ago, but only better.
Mike Rosenfeld 03:16
Well, yeah. And I’ll tell you, you know, what we’re about to what I’m about to show you is probably so think about, because you and I are about the same age. You know, we remember, web crawler was like maybe the first search engine and then ya then Yahoo, and then Google, Uber,
Nestor Aparicio 03:38
geo cities, you know, and having to remember all that, right.
Mike Rosenfeld 03:41
So so the company we’re going to be talking about today is called Open AI. It San Francisco based. Elon Musk was on their board in 2019. That guy’s got rid of him. I don’t know if he got rid of him or he stepped away.
Nestor Aparicio 03:57
He got rid of me. He threw me off Twitter six weeks ago. I’m still trying to figure that out. So as my chief digital officer, if you can, anything you could do to help let me know. All right. Oh, sure. For sure we send them a box and get get a blue chip. I don’t know.
Mike Rosenfeld 04:08
In 2019 This company I’m about to share with you got a $1 billion investment from Microsoft. So they’re, they’re probably the Coke or Pepsi in their space. And before I show you what I’m going to show you I have this disclaimer, okay, I am not I am not. I am not necessarily saying that. I’m a fan of this. I’m a fan of this direction. Every time there’s a shift and there’s a technology where I’m like this is cool. There’s always a holes out there who try to find ways in which to leverage it for bad
Nestor Aparicio 04:48
weather it’s been hell halen belt buckle that nothing ever could be bad with this, right?
Mike Rosenfeld 04:52
Like, that is the classic. Yeah, man.
Nestor Aparicio 04:55
This was the theme by the way. Van Halen theme in regard to the Raven. It’s just weak. And it’s probably going to be the headline of my next column Ness as I put this out, and it’s Van Halen Oriente ready. Where if all the good times go right, you know, I mean, right?
Mike Rosenfeld 05:13
So terrible, not the worst cover of all. I mean, that was one up there as one of the better if
Nestor Aparicio 05:18
all the good times go. Anyway, go ahead. So So AI, bring it back to this is going to be cooler than Van Allen belt buckle. That’s,
Mike Rosenfeld 05:28
I don’t know, I’m a big Van Halen fan. But I think I think most of your listeners will think so. So what I’m going to do basically is I’m going to share my screen. And for those who are listening to this
Nestor Aparicio 05:40
I sit down, I’m getting a seat. I’m sitting low here, because I shouldn’t get popcorn like Michael, like you. This is the best radio ever. Moeller wouldn’t approve this, because it’s not green room, I have no idea what you’re going to show me right now, right.
Mike Rosenfeld 05:56
And I hope this isn’t a dud, because you’re only allowed a certain number of test searches. So I think we should be okay. But I’m gonna share my screen real quick. And I’m going to try to explain as much as I can to people who are listening, but I strongly recommend people go to your website to YouTube channel, and find this video to actually see what I’m talking about. Okay, so we’re at the open AI website, and they have two products that I’m going to talk about the first one they call dal e. And basically, it’s an artificial intelligence tool that you can use to generate custom art. So you’re like, What are you talking about? So for those of you who can’t see this, there’s a search bar here. And I put
Nestor Aparicio 06:42
so if I say draw a purple Raven, it will it will do that, right?
Mike Rosenfeld 06:46
Well, I even did something more. I did a 3d render of a raven with the City of Pittsburgh in the background. So I know you, you were famous for taking really cool people to trips and imagine instead of going to Cincinnati, went to Pittsburgh, and you wanted a graphic of a raven, overlooking the city of Pittsburgh, as if we were going to
Nestor Aparicio 07:09
look like Sunday night football when we’re you know, we’re converging on the city. Okay. Yeah.
Mike Rosenfeld 07:14
And you know, we can riff right now, because I hit the button generate maybe three seconds ago, there’s a status bar going while this AI system is trying to change the sort
Nestor Aparicio 07:24
of the same things when I put a picture in and I want to render it in a Rembrandt make myself look real sexy, it renders right and rich, it’s thinking is what it’s doing pretty it
Mike Rosenfeld 07:34
is but the example you said you gave them an image of already this, we didn’t give them any image we just gave them. We just gave them words. Check that
Nestor Aparicio 07:43
out. Now look at that. So there’s a giant black raven with red. If you said Raven bird with purple eyes, it would have purple eyes, right? Absolutely. So basically, if I said, What do I have to pay this website to generate art for me like this, that I could use it Baltimore positive, because I would love to add, you know, I would love to to speak and have images generated from my website, that would be so be very, very helpful for me.
Mike Rosenfeld 08:12
Well, it’s interesting, because I’m just using the free tool right now. But, but I clicked on the image and I just downloaded it. And I can now put this you could have put this on your website with a, you know, hey, we still have x number of seats left on on the bus for blah, blah, blah. But yeah, we have a raven perched on a hill, overlooking Pittsburgh as if it’s about to swoop in there. And that took what all of 10 seconds to render.
Nestor Aparicio 08:39
Give me favorite, go back and put something like type something in for me. Okay. Let’s play some AI here. Because I know you’re gonna show me how to use this nefariously. So I want to begin I want to begin the process right now because that’s why
Mike Rosenfeld 08:52
I’m not going to teach you how to use it. And
Nestor Aparicio 08:55
I put this in here. I want a 3d rendering of Lamar Jackson in a New York Jets jersey. Let’s see if that it’ll do that. Oh, my goodness. Like, seriously, I want to know how like ESPN does this in five minutes. I mean, they they had Lamar Delta off to the jets like Tuesday morning, right? Render three to n in New York Jets. green jersey, put green green, but just put green.
Mike Rosenfeld 09:24
I don’t know if there’s any trademark issues that they won’t do.
Nestor Aparicio 09:28
I don’t know. Let’s find out. That’s why I’m asking. I don’t know. I I? I don’t know. I’m figuring you know, go out on the internet. Find out what Lamar Jackson looks like, come up with some artistic version of what he might look like. render it moving around, find the Joe Nemeth picture or a Ken O’Brien picture or I mean Boomer size to play. It could be anybody and then slap a number eight on it. And then have Lamar smiling and he’ll be sitting at Shea Stadium or something like that. What do you think? What’s this guy?
Mike Rosenfeld 10:00
Come up with I don’t know, man, this would be really impressive because
Nestor Aparicio 10:03
we’re trying to make the segment interesting. Like, let’s see what happens.
Mike Rosenfeld 10:08
We’re seconds away.
Nestor Aparicio 10:11
I’m not that bad. It’s not that bad. I could use the third one with the be on it. I could use that. I could use that one.
Mike Rosenfeld 10:19
Right. And I mean, you know, we could have done an oil, impressionist painting. Show them Mark Jack’s show a raven in a Matisse, you know, like a style of Matisse, and it would have been it would have done that. But here’s, here’s now the text. Here’s now the text search. And this is wild. So we just did the graphics. Now we have a text search and I said, I are bought and I said give step by step instructions on how to break in your baseball glove. Remember, as kids were like, you know, hey, how do you how do you break in a baseball glove. So I’m going to hit submit and we’re going to see in real time
Nestor Aparicio 11:00
the leather of your glove with the baseball glove conditioner petroleum jelly rubbing into the leather with a cloth focusing on areas that are particularly stiff or dry. Then place one hand inside the glove and press gently down to shape it around your fingers and thumb as you would when playing catch. This will help break in any tight spots around the palm area and along your fingers use of baseball to form creases in key areas such as between the thumb and forefinger where you’d expect to see a pocket form and catching a ball. You can also use another ball if you need to further shape other parts of the glove, like near your pinky.
Mike Rosenfeld 11:29
Wow. I mean that was just insane. I mean, I picked that randomly not knowing now sometimes it said these things aren’t 100% But that seems pretty interesting. And then I’m like Okay, how about right and nursery rhyme comparing baseball to football.
Nestor Aparicio 11:49
All right, so you can just tell it to do anything and now I’m going to be reading something really funny that I’m mechana baseball and football they both have their charms one is played with a bat the other with arms baseball of all skill and strategy galore football requires strength and an iron will core both sports require speed agility and grace but when it comes to which one I prefer in this race, I’ll take baseball every single time it’s my favorite game of all time. Well I’m a poet I didn’t know it
Mike Rosenfeld 12:17
That’s right now this is this is a machine but think about think about like your first computers when you had to wait for things to load and and programs to start you’re sitting there do me
Nestor Aparicio 12:29
a favor write a nursery rhyme comparing ravens to Orioles right in nursery rhyme comparing written up Baltimore now just ravens just ravens two Orioles it’s going to make it’s going to do a bird nursery rhyme let’s see if it’s any good I’m gonna read it out loud as it as it goes. Here we go AI in progress with Mike Rosenfeld, our chief digital officer who’s doing weird weird wild stuff let’s weird wild stuff Johnny. Two birds so dark and feathered one from the north one from the south. The Ravens wings are black is Cole while the Orioles flashes gold about both have a voice that calls out clear though their song sound quite different near the Raven has its calling croak and the Orioles warble sweetly spoke now right I came up with this myself Mike I did write this oh it
Mike Rosenfeld 13:29
now I could have done it. Do a poem in the style of Edgar Allan Poe about the or unreal it’s do me
Nestor Aparicio 13:38
Do me a favor to me a nursery rhyme written by Andrew Dice Clay comparing the ravens to the Orioles Can you put that in let’s see what happens right and
Mike Rosenfeld 13:49
who knows what’s gonna happen here let’s
Nestor Aparicio 13:51
well this is why it’s fun this is why it’s dangerous chief digital officer does besides entertaining said client with sports radio station that is morphed into Baltimore positive
Mike Rosenfeld 14:04
before I do that is this what you want me to do any nursery rhyme
Nestor Aparicio 14:07
in the style of Andrew Dice Clay comparing if nothing else, this is gonna get me hired in 98 Rock okay, if nothing else, maybe get my press pass back so Alright, go. Ravens are dark and strong Oreos are long in low light and long the Ravens fly high above the trees while Oreos chirp pretty songs to please Raven swooped down with a loud call Oreos flutterby in all Ravens have sharp talents so they can pray. But Oreos build nest out of hay.
Mike Rosenfeld 14:42
Well clearly that wasn’t in the style of Andrew. Breezy. Oh, yeah, that’s right. All we did was add Andrew Dice Clay But this is a totally different nursery rhyme. Yeah, go
Nestor Aparicio 14:55
back to like middle school. I never have to do anything. like this, this is gonna help me breeze eighth grade dude. Well, it sounds great.
Mike Rosenfeld 15:04
This is great. Right? A 2000. Let’s just do that right a 2000 word essay about the history of Baltimore as an eighth grader.
Nestor Aparicio 15:15
Oh, no. So this is like a Wikipedia cheat, right? Like kinda sort of Right. Right. So now we’re getting the various This is kinda like when we took the calculator in the school remember that? For sure. Yeah. I mean, because you could cheat you did you know, if you cheat you’re not trying right
Mike Rosenfeld 15:32
now when I was researching for the segment that it’s writing. So we’ll kind of summarize in a moment, there was a company that was that was created an app to help teachers determine if people were using this to write their stuff
Nestor Aparicio 15:49
is unique place with a long and complex history was founded in 1729 by the British and assessment home to many different cultures, including Germanic, African American, Irish, Italian and Jewish people. What about my people? They haven’t been on a tear. Lately, the city has seen its fair share of tragedy over the years, but also experienced periods of growth and prosperity. I love that it’s Baltimore positive. The first settlers of Baltimore English colonists imagine that who arrived in 1729, after receiving a charter from Queen Anne, they named her new settlement, Baltimore Town. I liked that I’m going to use that, after Lord Baltimore who granted them the Charter, the town quickly grows and became an important port on the Chesapeake Bay for trade between Europe and North America. So it’s this is sort of like googling it. But asking it way more specifically, correct?
Mike Rosenfeld 16:35
Well, guten, though, because Google will do a search and find something that’s already been
Nestor Aparicio 16:40
written, right? It’s already right to wickedness. It’s already been created. Okay, this
Mike Rosenfeld 16:44
is doing it. This is this is and it’s all in its banks. And it continues to learn. Right. And so you asked what is an outsourced Chief Digital Officer. And that’s a great segue to the last search that I did. And if we want to play a little bit more we can, but you know, I help people I help small to midsize businesses win when a digitally whether it’s their website, their apps, they don’t know how to do their social media strategy. They don’t know how to do an email strategy. They don’t know how to pull it all together to grow their business.
Nestor Aparicio 17:17
They’re smart like me, and I’m good at a lot of things. I yeah, you’re so many, you know, it’s, there’s a whole different level of being good on the internet. You know, I thought 15 years ago when I built wn St. dotnet I’m like, Hey, man, like, you know, how hard can this be? I’ll learn I’ll figure it out. You never figure it out? Because it always evolves for things like this. Right? For sure.
Mike Rosenfeld 17:35
And for me, the the the frustrating thing is, I help my clients in ways that it’s very difficult to help out my own business. And the reason for that is that like for you people know what sports radio is, you know, for automobile. You know, dealers, they know automotive, they know for dealerships, but no one really is familiar yet with the what an outsourced Chief Digital Officer is. So think about it, no one’s going to Google typing outsource Chief Digital Officer. So what I have to do is do some maybe old school techniques to get the word out about what an outsourced chief digital officer was. So I was thinking and as I was giving these examples, what if I was to ask this to create a marketing email explaining the benefits of using outsource Chief Digital Officers? Okay, crap you not that what they came out with is better than whatever anything I’ve been able to come out with for myself. So it’s basically says the subject line should be unlocked the benefits of outsourced Chief Digital Officers. And it basically says, Are you looking
Nestor Aparicio 18:41
for Nestor? Are you looking for ways to accelerate your digital transformation efforts? A great option is to outsource a Chief Digital Officer CDO, who can provide experienced leadership and guidance, here are some key benefits that you can expect when outsourcing a CDO expertise. And outsource CTO brings in depth knowledge about digital strategy, technology and operations. They understand how all the pieces fit together, and will be able to quickly identify areas where improvements can be made. Number two, flexibility and outsource CTO allows you to scale up or down your digital initiatives as needed to without having to
Mike Rosenfeld 19:19
stop because this is a trial. Ah Oh, that’s that’s the tease. But is it?
Nestor Aparicio 19:26
What’s it cost to get this thing?
Mike Rosenfeld 19:28
It’s great. I don’t really I don’t actually know but but but this is what I wanted to show you now we can sit here I’m going to stop sharing my screen. We can think about all the great things that that this can do. But we’ve already stumbled upon, you know, eighth graders cheating on their fun The Tick Tock so far. That’s right, you know, but you can imagine, you know, someone in Russia for example, I’m using this to Right to build disinformation campaigns about the American US political system, and come and by way, coming up with it imperfect English, you know, instead of broken English so that you
Nestor Aparicio 20:12
can write your story rhyme if they want to Sandra, like Andrew Dice Clay, right? Exactly, exactly. We’re really good poems I’m gonna steal knows they’re pretty good.
Mike Rosenfeld 20:20
So that. So this is pretty heavy stuff and probably, hopefully things you haven’t seen yet. And hopefully your listeners have heard of
Nestor Aparicio 20:29
my mind that it wrote a really fun poem, that would have gotten me in a plus in any grade. What about mean a plus third year college? Right? Come up with that, as a poem,
Mike Rosenfeld 20:42
think of all the times where you’re struggling to get an image that you have the rights to, you know, that you have to go to a, you know, like the the generic shaking of hands or whatever. And now, this came up with a custom image of a raven overlooking Pittsburgh. I mean, we could have go flying over their stadium, we could have put that in there, right? I mean, it’s just incredible. And then you have all these unique imagery that you can post to your social media accounts, you can post your website, I mean,
Nestor Aparicio 21:11
Sign me up. But here’s the hard part, dude. I don’t know what it costs. Right.
Mike Rosenfeld 21:15
Yeah. Well, you know, I came prepared with this
Nestor Aparicio 21:19
is almost like you and me really getting together like we really do in real life. Like, I let you great. This honor. Thanks. Great. What’s it cost? The otter things great. I mean, it should the transcription, we’ve added the Baltimore positive. I mean, these are things that people like you make sure that things happen for people like me to make my thing better, right, literally,
Mike Rosenfeld 21:39
for sure. AI.
Nestor Aparicio 21:42
AI is gonna make Baltimore positive better, don’t you? Deep down.
Mike Rosenfeld 21:47
So I have pricing. Okay, well, on the image side. It’s two cents an image.
Nestor Aparicio 21:59
That’s what they charge?
Mike Rosenfeld 22:00
Yes. Two cents an image. And that’s it. 1024 by 1024 pixels, which is
Nestor Aparicio 22:06
web, two meist.
Mike Rosenfeld 22:08
Let me see if I can find more on the other side. So let’s open that
Nestor Aparicio 22:15
Mike Rosenfeld 22:19
Learn more model language. Okay, so here, here we go. Multiple models, each with different capabilities. When
Nestor Aparicio 22:27
I pay for that poem right now. I’m wondering, but go ahead. It looks
Mike Rosenfeld 22:31
like 1000 tokens. It looks like and I’m not kidding, you. Maybe five cents, you would have been able to get 1000 tokens, and 1000 tokens gets you more than everything we just did right now. So they’re relatively cheap. Yes.
Nestor Aparicio 22:52
Wow. Yeah. Okay. Now,
Mike Rosenfeld 22:55
their goal is to have, like, for example, you can,
Nestor Aparicio 22:59
the goal is to have you used it 100 times a day. So your gift, actually, you can
Mike Rosenfeld 23:04
plug it into your live chat. So instead of having a human there, you can have there when I was reading controversial stuff, there is a app that does Mental Health Consulting that uses this not instead of a therapist, but to help answer questions. So they’ll have this open on one screen as they’re getting a question on the other to make sure that they put it in the proper verbiage. And then they paste it into their, to their thing. I mean, it’s just so much
Nestor Aparicio 23:34
the world’s changing man really is right.
Mike Rosenfeld 23:37
So this is my quick interpretation of the pricing, but the pricing is available online once again, I am not I have no interest in this company.
Nestor Aparicio 23:46
To give $10 a month now you’re telling me mine only cost me like $1 and a half a month. Yeah.
Mike Rosenfeld 23:53
And I suggest everyone go in with both eyes wide open if they choose to do this. I am not promoting this I’m using this as an example. But but if you use it use it for the right reasons. Yeah, right. Don’t be a slob Don’t get mad.
Nestor Aparicio 24:08
I can’t be responsible for what people do. But I can tell don’t gamble irresponsibly, don’t drink and drive. You know, like I’m, I’m good. I mean, I do all that city by the way. You can you can. You can buy lottery tickets. You can buy booze, but please do it responsibly. Right.
Mike Rosenfeld 24:23
What I don’t want is someone bringing down the the electric grid in the region saying How did you figure this out? I was listening to a segment with Nestor and Mike, he talked about this
Nestor Aparicio 24:34
open AI. It only cost me 12 cents to do. That’s right. Thanks, Mike. Microsoft told us our duty is web connection. He’s our outsourced Chief Digital Officer here at wn St. in Baltimore positive if you have been listening to this unique segment, it’s still been interesting from a listening standpoint, because I’m writing poems while we’re while we speak and they’re really clever if you listen, you can find out more out of the front of Baltimore positive.com Of course find my Got it web connection.com as well. All right back to Lamar, is there anything you want to say about Lamar before I let you go off into the distance here?
Mike Rosenfeld 25:10
Nestor Aparicio 25:11
it’s, you’re struggling
Mike Rosenfeld 25:13
boy, it is. It’s just riff, what’s coming to my mind is when he was drafted, and how competitive he’s he was in saying that he’s going to prove everyone wrong. And we’ve had two seasons in which things seem to be looking pretty good to be really competitive. And unfortunately, and I’m not suggesting he was faking, he was not available to the team, I think of Coleus Campbell, who came back another year sacrifices body played hurt, including the playoff game and their leader was unavailable. And it’s frustrating. And it’s, you know, as a business owner, it’s a lot of money to invest in and and in a salary cap era to give to a player who may not be available to you. So it’s it’s tricky. And as a Baltimorean, I’m a bit embarrassed to be in the national news. With a fiasco, what appears to be a fiasco, as relates to the player and the team.
Nestor Aparicio 26:23
They gave him $200 million last year, he still would have been injured on Sunday. Right? I mean, like, literally, like, I can’t get past the fact that he runs into linebackers, I’ve never been able to get past that fact. And now that I get to say, I told you so or whatever I get to say, which is, I think, and I’ve said this this week, I think they Steve’s risk tolerance as a human being as a billionaire, as a smart guy, and in many cases, would say that this experiment, they called it an experiment five years ago, the experiment as an hasn’t produced fruit the way they wish it would have, because he runs into linebackers. And maybe that’s fundamentally the reason nobody did it. You know what I mean? I don’t know what else to say. But I think that they, they’re not going to be the ones who invest in this, although I don’t think the dolphins or the Buccaneers or the Jets are good saints, all these suitors for Lamar, somebody will be happy to guarantee him the money because there’s a lot of sizzle with the state.
Mike Rosenfeld 27:26
Yeah, well, I remember vividly them saying most quarterbacks that get injured are in the pocket behind the line of scrimmage, not scrambling. And in fact, I believe definitely this injury this year, he was sacked behind the line. And last year, I believe it was behind line as well. So granted, we can’t say how much wear and tear running in the linebackers it is but that’s not when he left the field these two times injured. It’s like any other quarterback behind the line, and all that. And then there’s the ambiguity of it’s a great one. That’s it’s one to three weeks absolute, actually, it’s a great two, it’s two to four or four to six. And and this last game was in week six, and then all of a sudden, it’s borderline three, a grade three. I don’t know how bad happens. You know,
Nestor Aparicio 28:21
the hurricane was gonna hit Alabama when Trump was President kind of that way, right? Oh, yeah. Listen, man, he doesn’t have an agent. And if there was every, and he’s gonna get his money, because he is somebody’s gonna fall in love with him. He’s gonna he’s gonna get his money. I would just say that the last couple of weeks since the injury, him not having an agent, really not in his best interest. And I continue to say not in his best interest, not in his best interest when he’s guaranteed $194 million by the dolphins six weeks from now, or whatever that is, none of his tweets will matter. Hollywood brown his girlfriend, whether he was injured, whether we didn’t play for us whether we got our feelings hurt, none of that’s gonna matter because he’s Teflon when it comes to somebody’s gonna pay him. Somebody’s gonna buy in. So I don’t think he’s done anything to hurt his value or any of the things that you and I would think well, that’s not good for his image telling people to perform fellatio. And like all of these things that he’s done. None of that washes out when somebody’s ready to give Eric three number ones it turned the franchise over to him because they can sell it to their fan base. And they have a coach that would believe in it. And I think it’s another thing you know, finding a coach or a GM is gonna say, I’m gonna bet my career on him the next three years me being ready to play and winning and becoming a better pocket passer and staying safe as he gets older and slows down and we’re gonna have to pay him $50 million. And we’re not going to be able to recruit a wide receiver in that offense to play with him the way we need to play. And we’re gonna give $50 million and we’re giving them number one draft picks. We can’t draft anybody. Like I don’t know how this is gonna turn out. But I’ve seen enough desperation around Deshaun Watson, to know that there should be way more heat for Lamar Jackson than Deshaun Watson given his jurisprudence situation, versus Lamar just hurt his knee. Lamar is not injured for life. Right? This is a fascinating thing, but it’s tumultuous for the organization. In an organization where they really liked stability. They don’t like these these, they don’t like Nestor on the radio talking about this this time of year. But
Mike Rosenfeld 30:32
here’s the thing as a business owner and an entrepreneur, I look at Lamar, as from a personal standpoint, so I know him know, as someone who seems to be a solid young kid who’s figuring things out, he’s uh, he’s young, he’s younger than he’s the
Nestor Aparicio 30:48
$40 million, and he has a statue built for him already. How many 25 year olds in the world in the history of the world have ever had a statue dedicated for them? Ever?
Mike Rosenfeld 30:57
You were right. So he seems to be a solid guy who’s trying to make real multimillion dollar multimillionaire decisions without the benefit of an agent. Now with that said, I’m not suggesting that agents are pure and, and all good and looking out for always looking out for their clients interests. But I often say to my kids, why do I see all these other lesser quarterbacks doing TV commercials? Why do I see them, you know, sponsor and then I say to myself, as a business owner, you know, you spent like, I accept credit cards. So every transaction, I’m giving X percent away, but that’s a business decision, so that I don’t have to chase people for money, or they put X percent into advertising and marketing, not knowing if that’s going to give them just a
Nestor Aparicio 31:45
Herbert’s kind of commercial. Yeah. Right. So you’re sitting there,
Mike Rosenfeld 31:50
and I’m like, I’m like, you know, it seems to me that the percentage, the small percentage points that you would give to an advisor, and an agent pales in comparison, you’re only
Nestor Aparicio 32:02
giving him money he’s finding for you, if you’re doing it, right. That’s right, like having a salesperson.
Mike Rosenfeld 32:08
Right. So. So to me, as a business person, I’m like, I see why you wouldn’t want to give away points to someone else, who you perceive as maybe not providing the value in relationship to those points are giving away. But I can’t imagine that more often than not, that agent is getting you more than you would have otherwise, whether it’s, you know, commercials or, or endorsements or whatever. And I don’t see Lamar all the time. Getting endorsements I see. Let Kyler Murray, I see an agent
Nestor Aparicio 32:39
would go to the Lamar and see Lamar, forget the contract. I’m here to help you advise you make sure money, legal, always image branding, endorsement, all of that. I will make you more money. And I will I will work for free until I make you more money. How about that, you know, like, gave money back guaranteed is as Jimmy Buffett was saying, right?
Mike Rosenfeld 33:03
And it’s not just the advising on money. It’s the advising on? Yep. Promise me you won’t tweet any more until I got this taken care of and insulating him from the Ravens so that they don’t have to tell him you want top? Listen, the
Nestor Aparicio 33:18
kid doesn’t have good judgment. Right. I mean, we’ve seen his we’ve seen his decisions and social media, he is prone to bad judgment in the real world. Right? I mean, we all are we all are right. But but his he’s written things that I would never write or say in any circumstance anywhere and expect to still keep my living. Right. Right brand, right. And he comes from a different circumstance in a different era and a different culture and a different place and a different age and like all of that, but the real world still expects different things. But again, all of these people, did you see John Angelo’s his act the other day with Dan Connolly.
Mike Rosenfeld 33:55
I did my son in Chicago, send me this and he’s like, dude, do you know this guy? I’m like, barely because he never speaks. I know his dad. I still used to see his dad all the time. And he’s like, he’s a dick. And that’s exactly what my son, right. Right. And I watched it. Right. Was
Nestor Aparicio 34:13
that your coming out party? Man, you know, anybody that’s blown smoke up my rectum in recent years. John SC it’s gonna be all different. You know, he’s different than it. Yeah. Yeah. He’s different than his dad. He’s breathing in and out loud now and out in front of it and thinks he’s in charge and worse than his dad because he’s born on third thinks he had a triple. I mean, his dad at least work for his money and, you know, God bless whatever is I mean, all of his dad’s shortcomings as a as a as a sentient human. His father had real shortcomings as a human being. They’re pretty well documented, I think in the lawsuit with him and his brother, but like, I’m on Team Dan Connolly. They kind of he’s never really cared for me in. I don’t think he’s going to come on this I don’t know, I’ve always enjoyed Dan. I hope he comes on the show as a journalist, as a journalist and was treated like that in the public space. I was treated like that and just thrown out. You know, I didn’t get that moment. I got nine 2006. And now he’s going to talk about having journalists down looking at book. He’s full of shit. You don’t I mean, he
Mike Rosenfeld 35:20
isn’t today. I think it’s Wednesday. Come on in on Wednesday, this is all about MLK. Come on in and you want to transparency. I’ll show you transparency. I just want to know why the Ravens did their deal. And you’re still going year to year and making people like me who went through the Colts just as you did leaving? Wonder what the what what’s going on here? You know, why don’t you just what tell when you’re asked
Nestor Aparicio 35:45
about it. You can’t the one time you speak. You can’t just say well, we’re here for Martin Luther King Day, but listen, nicely, like, I made a decision to open my books for you all. This is my big announcement. And I’m gonna invite Nestor Aparicio. I’m going to invite Richard justice. I’m going to invite Ken Rosenthal, we’re going to invite anyone who’s ever had a question about money in sports, Neil DeMoss. The critics we’re gonna invite the critics in, because we’re really transparent. And that’s what we’re doing. instead. This is a circuit, how about the part where he said, I’m not taking any more your questions? Dude, it’s a press conference. Like the sense of entitlement, the sense of Mafia, that’s there the sense of I’m in charge, and no soup for you. You don’t I mean, like, that’s your shot. He is. That’s who Lamar is. At this point. That’s your job hardball is if you saw how he treated Melissa Stark the other night, right? Like literally, John Harbaugh? Well, it’s in the game, you can’t expect him to not be in a Oh, no, he can. He makes $12 million a year and he’s a professional. And nobody else in any culture, place time would speak like that alive television on behalf of their brand. In given an audience where you literally have to utter three sentences, you can direct off the question and say anything you want to say, you can go and say I don’t care what the question is, I’m going to talk about the quarterback, the offense, the turnover, and how we’re going to be better in the second half and have some formulated, here’s a Tony Robbins thought for you be in control of your state. Right, control your state, you know what I mean? You’re, you’re you’re the face of the organization alive national television. And this pretty girl from Baltimore’s professional job it is, is to ask you to silly questions about the first half, that may be positive or maybe negative, you can turn them into positive you’re the coach. That’s what we’re paying $12 a year. So like, they can’t get horrible to act, right. But shoddy Chad Steele, who is its own punch line at this point in my world, and me witnessing this for 20 years. And then you wonder why this isn’t normal. I mean, the kid went out on Twitter and made a fool of himself comes back and they tell him go for it. You know, it’s a good idea on behalf of our brand, and we’re paying you $23 million as an employee, that what you did is not good, which that’s not good. Please apologize. No, I’m not doing that. And then he goes out in front of everybody on Friday and says only his girlfriend could talk about it, taking it down from Twitter. And I mean, there that’s a pretty big tell, right? That Gmail, it’s grown ups, coaches, the people who pay your salary at $23 million a year can’t get you to behave. And the only one that can talk sense into you is your girlfriend. I mean, we’ve all be Romper Room. I mean, seriously.
Mike Rosenfeld 38:52
Well said Romper Room we’ll go back to the fact that he’s 25 years old. And he’s got some maturing to do you know I got
Nestor Aparicio 39:00
I just finished on Bushati horrible. I mean, look at what Jim Marseille’s doing out in Indianapolis. Nobody’s his keeper. He’s just doing his thing. I mean, all look at Dan Snyder. He’s done all of this stuff. And he still got a middle finger up saying you’re not gonna get rid of me whenever you get rid of me. Dan Snyder is made $2 billion since the season kicked off. His franchise was worth 5 billion in September. It’s now worth 7 billion. And all he’s done is hold on to being a scumbag that he’s been accused of being from the beginning and they can’t get rid of him. Look at Peter. The fact that this kid could sit here and be a disgrace to Dan Connolly. The other day is a testament to the fact that everybody’s hated his old man. They all tried to get rid of him. They gave him everything he wanted in the Washington deal, and they still are entangled from that because they can’t sell the Nationals they can’t sell the Oreos I mean, all of the issues that are around the business, all of this is led on by letting these people do whatever they want. Because they can, because they can say, and Lamar is gonna do whatever he wants, because he can, because the Jets are gonna give him $200 million in six weeks or somebody is right.
Mike Rosenfeld 40:20
Yeah, look, I will say that Dan Connolly, in my opinion handled himself extremely well. What’s really sad is, I can’t imagine that. Angeles went into that, not expecting someone to pivot to ask him a question like that. And he was prepared,
Nestor Aparicio 40:38
because he thought I was locked out. He thought the day was a friends and family and no real questions would be asked, because that is an Orioles press conference. That’s what they do. That’s his life. He’s never I had to ambush him at a tourism event four years ago. And now the tourism people don’t speak to me anymore. This was bad for me. While he’s up there singing Hi. Hosanna is with a real journalist. When I told Christine Brennan I text her all morning. And I said to her, I’m coming and I’m gonna ask him a real question. I want you to be prepared for that. She’s like, I’m a journalist. I’m encouraging you to do that. I will give you a rebuttal. Right, because she’s a journalist. He was on stage with a journalist to act like I’m doing journalism things in the same way with Kevin Brennan and I got sideways after Ray Rice and Kevin Byrne March Steve out with Jane Miller and said she’s a journalist. I’m like, Jamie was not a journalist today, because her boss is under the thumb of the guy she’s interviewing. And that’s a fact. Right. And that’s not journalism, then. That’s, that’s an advertorial and it’s a safe space. Because your billionaire needs a safe space. John thought he was in a safe space on Martin Luther King day sitting next to the mayor. And he thought that the miscreants were weeded out, they were left off like, like Chad Steele, leaving me out of press conferences. They don’t want that in press conferences. They want press conferences to be with Putin. You ever seen a Putin press conference? By the way?
Mike Rosenfeld 42:09
I see it. Yeah, he’s sitting behind. I don’t know. No, no,
Nestor Aparicio 42:13
no, no, no, they do this thing. If I, this is like AI, this is gonna blow your mind. And what I’m not going to show it, but I want you to google it every year around this time in Russia. And I’m not making this up. So this is not me being funny. It’s not a punch line. Although I’m a funny guy being serious. It looks like and I’m not kidding you. A WWE wrestling match 15 years ago, and I don’t watch it anymore. Where everybody had signs during rose war. Everyone came to the arena with a sign. He does that. It’s like a Springsteen concert. People have signs up. And it looks like he’s randomly answering questions about the state. I’m not kidding. You are, please go do it. Because that’s what democracy looks like in Russia. Because it it it’s it’s propaganda in the way that John Harbaugh’s press conference was propaganda Sunday night, because I’ve been locked out, right. There were four reporters when Harbaugh season ended the other night, there’s four reporters in the room. You only see John, and he looks around the room and he waist high. He made googly eyes at a reporter on the podium after he got eliminated. I was blown away. I was watching it on TV. And he made googly eyes and he had a warm, really warm glow for someone who walked in on the press conference. And I thought it must have been a pretty girl. It was Bill Rodin from the New York Times. Because when the press conference is over, I saw Bill stand up. And I’ve always been in that room. So you make that room now what Putin has done, and so you’re asking about John Angelou said about John Harbaugh and about Steve shotty. I mean, I was whisked away, but they would have had me arrested at the at the at the breakers down in Florida. And I walked across the courtyard and interrupted my competitors. Jamison, Hensley, Jonah Schaefer, Jeff’s riebeck sitting and talking to the owner of the team. I experienced that last year, and then I was thrown out when I was asked what WTF, then I’m retaliated against. So it’s gonna be really interesting now that John has promised to open the books for the baseball team, right? That he’s not going to open the books. You know what I mean? Like he’s now this made this ludicrous, crazy promise that he Checky can’t cash right? So he’s already he’s a liar into eternity now, in his first press conference, right. And your son thinks he’s what would you say your son Thank you. Oh, right. Your dick, right. So and he’ll never be able to fix that. Because he doesn’t he’ll never do another one. Never do another one. Yeah. You know, John Angelo’s again for a long, long time. That’s my prediction,
Mike Rosenfeld 45:07
well, and a summary. And in summary, if he had his finger on the pulse of the city, I mean, they’re from here. So he grew up here. He doesn’t live here. But but he grew up here, if you know, when we had a football owner, who swore he wasn’t moving the team, even though all signs appeared to be like he was thinking about moving the team, and swore he wasn’t gonna move the team, and then move the team.
Nestor Aparicio 45:35
I have no attention and moving to God, dad, Jane,
Mike Rosenfeld 45:37
and then you have to sports.
Nestor Aparicio 45:41
I can do with this all day. Because I did it all during the 90s. I did back which had to do was in diapers. We were dreaming of having a team here.
Mike Rosenfeld 45:49
You have two sports teams. One is negotiating what appears to be in good faith and just announced a long term extension to stay. And then the other team who has rumors about infighting brothers lawsuits, moving the team to Nashville because that’s where he lives by
Nestor Aparicio 46:07
blah, blah, blah, rumors of infighting gets real exciting, right? And
Mike Rosenfeld 46:11
doing one year, one year deal, one year, two year one year deal, and then chastises a reporter who says can you just tell us basically what’s up so that the people in which you grew up with and your peers who went through the Colts debacle can can sleep at night, not worrying that
Nestor Aparicio 46:29
John Angelos didn’t beating up Dan Connolly is that any of these kids at the Baltimore Sun or their banners going to hire or any, you know, reporter over WJC? That they’re going to be scared to death to ask real questions of him, which is exactly what throwing me out did for Chad Steele. You think Jamison, Hensley is not afraid to get thrown out at this point and have it not be able to feed his family? You know, if he gets out of line or report something untoward? I mean, it’s insane. What’s going on with journalists, right? And this was out in front of every I mean, this is a legitimate journalist gives his life to this travels around the owners meetings, winter maze, watch a lot of really, really, really shitty baseball, Dan Connolly has seen the dregs of all of it, and ask a legitimate question. It gets treated like that. It’s gross. It’s disgraceful. It really is. It’s disgraceful.
Mike Rosenfeld 47:28
All right, bravo, bravo. This is good stuff. Love you,
Nestor Aparicio 47:31
Mike Rosenfeld, web connection, outsource chief digital officer asked him to write you a poem about the ravens and the Orioles. And he knows how to tell when he could do anything kind of reminds me of my wife in 2007. And eight got the first phone she had a G a storm. Do you remember this? It was it was web enabled. It was web enabled. And in 2007. I remember being on the corner. That’s literally I mean, horrible to say this, the corner where the squeegee boy, the murder happened on the corner. It’s literally that corner. For one four wasn’t there. It was a parking lot. It was though McCormick parking lot. So we’re talking back and the odds, right? And I remember standing on the corner and a guy was on the corner without the internet in the old world, and was looking for something. And this is before like Google Maps, and you can just say he was looking he was downtown as a tourist and a little nappy world that are scared of us just sort of like hey, can you tell me where? And I said, ask my wife. She knows everything. Now now she’s got the internet. Like she can look it up. I mean, she just she knows everything. So that was the first time I had a chance to say that but now I can say that about you that you can do anything you have aI
Mike Rosenfeld 48:43
Well, I don’t know about that. That was pretty good segment. My family would disagree, but But I try I strive to be as good as I can.
Nestor Aparicio 48:50
Still not as cool as this Van Halen belt buckle but much cheaper if you can write a raven poem for three cents. So I am Nestor. We are wn sta and 1570, Towson Baltimore. I appreciate Mike Roosevelt being the first person to deal with the ire of my I told you so about John Angeles. I am Nestor we are wn St. Am 57 He Towson Baltimore we never stop talking Baltimore positive, you know that wasn’t all positive.