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After Nestor broke out a cocktail napkin and did the math on the $173 million price tag of the Baltimore Orioles in 1993 (that came with $45 million in cash) and the recent sale price of $1.7 billion to David Rubenstein (that comes with $600 million in free money from Maryland taxpayers), he wanted to confirm his Dundalk math with our financial advisor Leonard Raskin as to just how much money the Angelos family actually made while attempting to destroy the franchise for the fan base.

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SPEAKERS

Nestor J. Aparicio, Leonard Raskin

Nestor J. Aparicio  00:01

Welcome home we are wn S T am 1570, Towson, Baltimore and Baltimore positive you watch that on YouTube Facebook, the interwebs if you listen to us on and 1570 We’re appreciative 25th anniversary documentaries coming out in a couple of weeks. My pal Linda Raskin is going to be in it. He doesn’t know it yet. But you know, I’ve tried to put cameos with everybody that I know because it is a little lengthier because I have kind of an interesting story to tell. And some good friends have been involved in this I just want to give some love the genie shock and Keith Brewer and John Allen and Mickey Coachella and and Ray Bachman and Mike blowhard for swooping in and contributing, we’re going to be kicking off the Maryland crabcake tour in an anniversary month for us here at Costas on the knife. That’s Tuesday, we’re gonna be talking about the tragedy the Cambridge Maryland lottery sending me out with 10 times the cash we have some Pac Man giveaways probably by Friday, when we get the fade leaves on the 12th. We are live at fadeless which will the five Luke Jones will be live like Brent Musburger each and every Friday. And I’ll let her ask it I don’t know if I’m going to have already opened the bottle of the prisoner. And my wife is chasing the solar eclipse this week. And I’m sort of home alone. And I don’t know if I’m getting my press credential back or not. But I’m not opening this bottle of the prisoner until I get my press credential back because like I have learned that the prison was not Peter Angelos or John Angelo’s withstanding my media credential. It’s just more sort of the indignity of being a real media member and having legitimate people tell me that not chats, the legitimate people tell me that I’m not a media member. So I have the bottle I just want you to know because you know about the bottle, you know, the prisoner has been released. But for for my heart and my spirit, seeing Cal Ripken on opening day and we have not been together. You know, since all of this match happened on opening day we were anticipating the bridge fell. We did a whole thing on the bridge you and it’s still raw began to cost this. How are you? It’s tax season. You have any crazy clients coming up? Because you keep people like me in line?

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Leonard Raskin  02:06

Right? Well, yeah, but you know, we got some last minute, folks not not including, or including yours truly. Yeah.

Nestor J. Aparicio  02:13

Right. I mean, I was on the phone

Leonard Raskin  02:16

talking to me, I’m talking about me. I’m a I’m a habitual extension filer, I have no concern. The rules, let’s be sure everybody’s clear on the rules. The rules are by April 15. you file your return, you pay your taxes, or by April the 15th. You have the right to file an extension and pay your taxes. Okay, there is no getting out of the pay the taxes Park filing the extension. A lot of people don’t get this by Madison is what you’re telling us? No, yeah, I’m saying filing the extension does not let you off the hook to extend the due date, when the taxes are due, you still have to pay by April 15. You just don’t have to give them all the reporting. By April the 15th, you’re allowed to say I’m not ready yet to show you all I got. But I’m ready to write you the big ugly check, or the small ugly check or whatever the check is and and I gotta I got a query this week. It’s really funny. I think you’ll appreciate this from a media member in the business press who asked me what people should do with their refund with their tax refund. And I gave her an interesting response. I hold on. Okay, can

Nestor J. Aparicio  03:35

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I answer it and say, You should find a guy like me to tell you that refunds are bad and pay me so you don’t get refunds? And you keep the money on your side of the table? Is that a good? Brother?

Leonard Raskin  03:45

Amen. Right. 100% Oh, my God, that’s tosses she didn’t like that answer.

Nestor J. Aparicio  03:51

You know what? We didn’t even train we

Leonard Raskin  03:55

did? She didn’t like that answer. She wanted me to say you should invest it, you should save it. You should go on vacation. Whatever. I said exactly that I said, bulls get refunds. The bottom line? Well, if you had something extraordinary happen, that caused you to get a refund. Okay, that’s fine. That’s out of the ordinary, that’s okay. But you should not plan to get a refund. People use their tax refund like a savings plan. And and you gave the government an interest free loan for a year. And they gave you back your money. And you think you got something you didn’t get anything. You got your money back. So I answered that way. And she didn’t like that answer. So she wanted to get somebody else’s opinion. I said go right ahead. Like

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Nestor J. Aparicio  04:41

my Seinfeld video from last week, which I thought was one of the all times phone rings and it’s the telemarketer. And he says give me your home phone number. I’ll call you I’m not gonna you know, I’m not giving you my number. He said, You got mine, you know. Call me goodbye. You know,

Leonard Raskin  04:57

there’s a little bit back there. was back in the day before caller ID and the Do Not Call Registry and everything else man to do

Nestor J. Aparicio  05:05

on a political level. I know you don’t want to hear this. I got Joe Biden’s people, Trump’s people, they text me let you give money like I like I can’t. Everybody

Leonard Raskin  05:15

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wants it look here, I get texts, I find it stunning. I the only people and you may know this, your audience, our audience may know this. The only people that are exempted from the Do Not Call list are politicians. They can do whatever they want. And they bug the hell idea. Like you said, I get emails, I get texts on my phone. They want money they want me to answer.

Nestor J. Aparicio  05:44

I just wanted to come on the show and answer questions, honestly, where their communication specialists don’t ask me for the questions at a time. Because it’s offensive to me every time. That’s right. That’s, to me, that’s

Leonard Raskin  05:55

a horrible thing. It’s one thing if you’re gonna do a podcast, and you want the questions ahead of time, so you’re ready for the show. But even then, if you’re if you’re on your game, answer the questions come on, are just telling me you’ll get me the answers laid, right? I’m not 100% Sure. I’ll get you that answer.

Nestor J. Aparicio  06:14

I don’t have trick questions. There’s no, I’ve never been that guy and all these years, right? Let it I want to talk some sports with you. Because let’s have it we do bridge and we tax and I meandered into this I stepped into the GM with your tax situation for people to know stuff and then laugh a little bit. Where are you on the baseball side? Like give me give me I’m

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Leonard Raskin  06:37

wearing my shoes right here. Big black and orange. It’s in season. It is time to get out to the yard. Although I must say I am a non April. Baseball goer unless it’s a sunny Sunday that pops up out of nowhere. I don’t like sitting out of the cold. I don’t like sitting out of the rain for baseball.

Nestor J. Aparicio  06:57

I don’t see rain delays when it’s 85 I’m not well, right. But this is

Leonard Raskin  07:01

you know, I’ll go to the Ravens in 20 degrees rain and snow and I’m ready but I’m dressed for it. It’s football. But baseball is a spring summer. I want a beautiful day sitting by the park sitting at the park sipping a lemonade with my hot dog and my nachos and I’m a happy guy so I’m not out there yet. But But I am paying attention I am watching spent Easter holiday in Charlotte with the wife’s family and and watch the games on my maths and feed on my iPad.

Nestor J. Aparicio  07:38

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Okay, so it’s working for you. You’re my wife has been watching the games in the kitchen on the iPad that a minute behind you know committed ahead it’s a little bit I’m

Leonard Raskin  07:49

watching I’m watching it and and then home watching them on the TV and we watch Caitlin plus the other night in the game Iowa LSU big, big shooter 41 points has made the women’s game a big deal for the Final Four. How about how about having NC State and UConn? Men and women in the final for a stator?

Nestor J. Aparicio  08:14

Yeah, and the NC State things interesting to me because we never really hated them the way we hated Duke and we added Grant Hill even in the booth the other night people were given time.

Leonard Raskin  08:25

Alone. He’s in Nigeria. Do you know him? Have you met him? I know his story.

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Nestor J. Aparicio  08:29

I know his father. I knew his father was right. There was an executive with you. I

Leonard Raskin  08:35

did not know that story that his father was that guy? Oh,

Nestor J. Aparicio  08:39

I knew his father was you know his father was running back with with the Cowboys. No,

Leonard Raskin  08:43

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I didn’t know that. I knew his father. But I didn’t know he was an Orioles owner, whatever, front office guy who then went to San Diego with Larry Lucchino who just passed? Correct. I did not know that he was that involved. And I did not I don’t know why I didn’t know. Grant Hill was a Baltimore guy. I did not know that and and now he’s part of the ownership group talk about a life well lived, right? I mean, he’s, he’s now part of that ownership group with cow and

Nestor J. Aparicio  09:14

when I tell them the story, aren’t they? I mean, they really are right. They are

Leonard Raskin  09:17

listening to him in the booth. It was it was funny when he talked about how he got involved with the ownership group. Did you hear that little give

Nestor J. Aparicio  09:24

me a little because I did. I said the sound up at that point.

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Leonard Raskin  09:27

Okay, so he said, he said he knew Rubenstein. How did he know him? Through through his mother who worked for the Carlyle Group, which is an investment firm. And Rubinstein was involved with that. And he knew him and he said to him back when back when when he when he knew when you’re ready to buy the Orioles call me. I’m in and he said he called him in November and said I’m ready. Are you in? He said I’m in.

Nestor J. Aparicio  10:05

So he because they really they’re having fun with this right. And buying beer and all that. Yeah.

Leonard Raskin  10:13

I mean, that is a Bloomberg. Yeah,

Nestor J. Aparicio  10:17

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Bloomberg is involved. Like it’s a civic play Leonard. That’s why sitting with these people it’s not going to be talking about whether they’re resigning Cedric Mullins or where the money’s going for Gunnar Henderson at the big picture level what you people are going to hear me talk about here and looking are going to talk about the pitching rotation and all that sure different level of conversation here about what the real plan is because in order to afford Gunnar Henderson and afford Corbin burns or Grayson Rodriguez or JAXA pick any player if they’re gonna have 150 to honor an $80 million legitimate Yeah, not top five payroll, but a it’s gonna be based through 12 payroll. Yeah, nobody’s

Leonard Raskin  11:02

gonna be the Dodgers these days. Right?

Nestor J. Aparicio  11:04

I mean, I don’t think they can be that. But I need to know that their what their business, what their model is how they see this. And certainly from the revenue standpoint of $15 beers. I mean, look, this time of year, they give the tickets away for five bucks. We’re not going down there because the weather stinks. Right. So now how are you getting 38 40,000 people down there? How are you engaging younger people?

Leonard Raskin  11:27

And then the summer’s gonna be tell this summer is going to be a big towel because they’ve got a good team. I daresay a great team. These guys can hit the ball, it appears the pitchers can pitch we got two pitchers that aren’t even here yet. But how did they grow their business? It Well, that’s the thing this this summer, I think is a big tell. They gotta they gotta get butts in seats. And they gotta like you said they gotta be a civic minded thing. And David has said, you know, he said, Look, the goal is to bring a World Series here. Make this a first class organization mind the ship, and and be out there doing things. Look, they’re there. They’re going out. This was opening day they went out to I don’t know what it was, was it pickles or whatever pub over there? Bought around for everybody. They bought everybody in the in the bar drink on the owners. I don’t remember Peter doing that. But I might have missed that day at school. But but if they get out into the

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Nestor J. Aparicio  12:29

community often that way, and you don’t I mean, Peter, when he was I think,

Leonard Raskin  12:33

look, look, here’s an assignment for you. Not, maybe not you, maybe somebody else. And I know you wrote stuff, but somebody’s got to write the book on Peter Angelos. Right. Somebody’s got to close that chapter and write that book. Because the, who knows what the real Peter Angelos was, right? You got lawyers that worked for him. You got baseball people that worked for him, you got apparently from his lawyer, who would, of course, put the best face forward and his friends the man gave other than charitable, I mean, help people left and right in his lifetime, but then was disliked by a lot of people as well. So really a dichotomy the man and, and these guys look like they want to go out there and make it happen. And they’re gonna find a way to bring people to this park. And that’s what they got to do. They got to reach out to Howard County and Baltimore County and montgomery county, you know, people that don’t want the Nationals and and they got to reach out and say the Orioles are your team. And we want you here to, to bring home the World Series. And then they gotta show up, like you said, and pay a couple players and prove that, that these guys are gonna be here for a while that it’s not a flash in the pan one or two years and we are the Montreal Expos of the past. Some

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:58

of you I want to do a little math with you. Sure. And by the way, you know the Peter thing I had Tom Libero on this week talking about Peter Angelos for real. I had Janet Marie Smith on talking about stadia on Stadium and the Key Bridge falling in architecture. And she was very fond to Peter and I know you’re fond of Peter. So she went on about Sarasota and building stadium and how much right here? Fair enough. He did not save the franchise for the city. Let’s literally quinoa. Right, so, but I want to do math for you. Okay.

Leonard Raskin  14:27

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Let’s do it. So,

Nestor J. Aparicio  14:28

I did write a book on Peter Angelos. It’s called the principles you can go read it in chapter one. And this was verified by Sam, I’m a journalist. I’m right. You know, I mean, I wrote it has nothing to do to third person story about Peter Angelos. Right. Yeah, turn paper. When he went into the courtroom in man, lower Manhattan in August of 1993 to buy the team. He had $29 million in cash, okay, that he brought to the table. So I want you to get Put that in your calculator. Okay, yeah, you put 29 million in to buy a team that was 173 million. It came, it came with $45 million in cash, because it was in receivership. So that 173 sale price is fake. It was really 138 million right or under 40 Whatever the number is 30 because you bought

Leonard Raskin  15:19

cash you’re saying

Nestor J. Aparicio  15:20

the cash couldn’t be touched all the money, all the operating income from 9293 All Star game sold out sweets, 3.6 million people all the marketing around Camden Yards. All of that was a $20 million a year profit for two years and 9293 That’s a lot of money then Right? Obviously was just $45 million in cash. So take that off the 173 he used build a wit and Bob cast Fellini’s line of credit to get them into the deal and Luchino he got everybody’s money into his deal, but he never brought any more money. He brought 29 million. He bid the thing through the roof without having the money. As they walked out of the courtroom. He elbow Joe fosse and said, You’ll figure it out. You’ll figure it out to his banker. Okay. So he walks in with $29 million in cash. Yeah, all the other money was buying properties and this and that the asbestos couple 100 million dollars. He used 29 million of that money. He had sacrificed about 75 million out of pocket to finance Jeff Cohn. I’m David Ziggy, Albert Bell, that whole era where he was spending a whole lot more than was. So he really did do that before I did free the birds. So I want you to do the math on this. He got one his kids and wife got $1.7 billion. Yeah, yeah. So I started thinking about the difference between 29 million. Yeah, and one point set because it’s, it’s funny money. It’s it’s it’s but

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Leonard Raskin  16:47

it’s long did he own him? How long did he own him?

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:49

32 years, 31 years, 31 years. So here’s what I did on this. And this is my Dundalk math. You ready for this? I can pull my calculator up. I can pull my calculator up. I did 52 weeks in a year, times 32 years because it wasn’t 30. And what a nice 31 years by 30. Way. Go ahead 16 150 Give or take weeks that he owned the team 1600 50 with a team and he made almost $1.7 billion as I do the math on that. Think about this. Yeah, you made a million dollars a week. A million dollars a week. Every week. He owned the baseball team. Okay, in addition to the hundreds of millions of dollars, that they siphoned in their own way out of the profit every year. Yeah, yeah. On the Forbes reported they made 90 million on the date they pocketed $90 million last year, that that’s because of the payroll being $40 million. I mean, they got 140 from the from the National deal. So but they they’re pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars as it went on. No will never know how much money they took out of Masonite. It will just never know 30 years of profit, they took profit, not in the arts because they didn’t but once Masson came, they got all that money back. Right. And the taxman would know about that. And the IRS would know about that. Yeah. He made a million dollars a week.

Leonard Raskin  18:20

So every week, so let me give you let me give you a corrected

Nestor J. Aparicio  18:24

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and wrecked, burning for the new, the new people pick it up. And it’s a shell of what it could be from a season ticket standpoint, from a media standpoint, from an advertising standpoint, from a fan community standpoint, from a clicks from every measurable standpoint. He’s left it burning other than the team’s good. But he right but the payroll isn’t. And he made a million dollars a week later Raskin. It’s a deal of a lifetime. And his wife was mortified thinking, oh my god, you took every nickel we’ve ever made, and you bought a baseball team. You know, like,

Leonard Raskin  19:00

let me give you let me give you some facts. And then

Nestor J. Aparicio  19:03

you were trying to make him a sympathetic figure five minutes. Wow,

Leonard Raskin  19:05

no, no, no. Look, I’m all about capitalism, baby. So So money is money. Okay. I’m gonna give you some math on the other side. Let’s say he had $29 million, which is what you’re saying he put down on the team. Right? Right. And we don’t know the other variables. We can fill in some blanks and figure out maybe, but let’s say he put in a million a $29 million. Is it Disney into any company America and held that stock for 31 years? Sold that stock for $1.7 billion? You with me? Yes. Without accounting for any cash flow along the way that was either cost or revenue. So we’re neutralizing all the profit here. owner Rob, he just owned a rock, right for 31 years, the annual average percentage return on investment is 14% 14%. Now for the average investor, that’s phenomenal. But if you’re a business owner, a 14% return is pretty nominal on your investment. Okay, you got to do better than that, to own a business. So the equation then is how much money did he take out? per year, Hans? Well, you know, if we look back at the records, look, I’m not crying for the for the man’s profitability. What I’m saying is what you should have

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Nestor J. Aparicio  20:45

done back in 93, is put together a consortium that came up with that kind of money to be able to pursue

Leonard Raskin  20:50

Well, he did this off. He did, he did. And he put up 29 million, and he borrowed the rest. So there’s so many interest cost, but he had revenue, so that offsets the cost. So when you figure out that, that’s

Nestor J. Aparicio  21:02

how he bought Cal Ripken, and LMR. And Walmart here like all his players, because he didn’t, so I go back to the original sin, Leonard Raskin. They can’t afford these players at this particular operation, where there’s sold out on opening day, people want $9 tickets the rest of the way because that’s the fan base, because they don’t rich fans. We’re not a rich market. We’re not in New York. We don’t have bankers and investors. We don’t have Reston, Virginia anymore. And Washington, DC money grubbing like money from it’s a common man here. They got a lot of work to do. They

Leonard Raskin  21:38

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do and they got to figure out how to sell this fan base on how great this team is and why it is a and here’s the key right. Better experience to see it at Oriole Park than to see it on your couch. On Masson, who

Nestor J. Aparicio  21:56

makes the magic happen of Oreo baseball Linda Raskin. You make the magic of Oreo. That’s

Leonard Raskin  22:01

right. And right. That’s right. And I heard something the other day, which I think is just you know, who cares? You know, who cares thing. They were touting that. Peter Angelos never sold the naming rights to the stadium. Okay, great. could have just spent more money? Betting? We’re gonna have a name on this stadium soon.

Nestor J. Aparicio  22:21

And you need that to afford darn right, Cal Ripken Jr. In the modern era. That’s

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Leonard Raskin  22:27

exactly right. So me, I

Nestor J. Aparicio  22:29

come into this and say it’s great man. The accountability of a smart watch this. They should be sitting and telling me what their strategy is. Because I want to sell it to you to tell you let it let’s go buy in the money to $1,800 that the the Ravens actually $34 ravens don’t take for me anymore, because Jack’s guilty. If I give that to the Orioles, what do I get for that? And Luke keeps saying to me, how much how often are you gonna go and you ever press credential? I said, You know what, I would have been down there on Easter Sunday, because Luke was celebrating he’s the deacon of this church. Yeah, man. He, you know, like, so Easter Sunday, we didn’t have anybody in the seat there, which is a fundamental issue for me as as a guy who owns a media company that like I should be in that seat. But on a general basis, if they gave me my press pass back, and I you know, I had this bottle of the prisoner. Have I shown you this before? Yeah, they’re not on the prisoner. I’m not releasing it until, you know, I get my press pass back. Because I imagine

Leonard Raskin  23:23

I imagined your conversations could happen, and I hope that

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:26

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I do. But I hope that I do for this reason letter. I want to give them money. I want to be a part of the orange club, I want to understand the orange club. I want to feel like a part who makes the magic you make them out. I’ve been waiting for this time. But then there, there really are hard questions for them that only people like me are going to be able to ask because I’m I just I see what’s left of the media, and who would ask questions about the $600 million that he’s got. I mean, you don’t really benefited from the new lease. John Angelo’s Right. Like he sold this thing for 1.7 billion to Rubinstein rule, besides getting a $600 million rebate from the state on a bad gig.

Leonard Raskin  24:06

We talked about Yeah, you were that’s a good get 1.7 billion and you get 600 million up front. Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:12

right. Exactly. So who kept who capitalized on that Peter Angelos did and his estate did not him but obviously not

Leonard Raskin  24:20

Yeah, and what is the new buyer and the new buyer they got what they wanted and everybody’s happy except the taxpayers please everybody.

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Nestor J. Aparicio  24:27

Teams good now I still see TJ bright and around there on opening day like it’s the same people I don’t have a press credential because they hate me I have no idea why but but

Leonard Raskin  24:39

nonetheless time they need to hear that game they

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:42

need me and everyone like me and I’m not being arrogant about that. I just being realistic. You said they need to engage the fan base. Yeah, agreed. Agree. They need more than just their fan base. That’s my point. So the fans they have right now and I mean this for my soul of soul. The P People who are or real fans who are engaged, they’re not enough of us and rich enough to be able to to like, there’s

Leonard Raskin  25:07

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a new generation. But I

Nestor J. Aparicio  25:09

can grab a new year, 14 times a year. You know what I mean? I love and I want to love you more. But grab my son, they gotta get him. They got a great right. Any other tax this or that or baseball you want to talk about good. You want to talk? How are you? Good, good. Hockey.

Leonard Raskin  25:25

I just saw a quote, kind of interesting. I don’t know where I saw it. It said if the capitals make the playoffs to be the worst playoff team in history. I don’t know that that’s true, but it’s certainly worthwhile.

Nestor J. Aparicio  25:38

Being 79 in the NFC South and winning the division. I think like I think

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Leonard Raskin  25:42

it’s like being last in your class at med school. And when you’re done they call your doctor. Still. Still they call your doctor letters asking the

Nestor J. Aparicio  25:51

handler Yeah, and the the American dream. He said Raskin glow was also the front of Baltimore positive. And, you know, we’ll talk some football before the month is over. But it has been a nice little respite. And I’m doing this 25th anniversary document to talk base today. It’s good to to have this again. It’s good. That’s right. And I’ve talked baseball really hope not just for my sake and my curiosity and my audience. I hope these are good people. I hope that I sit with David Rubenstein at some point in Cal Ripken and Grant Hill and talk to him about my city and their investment and our baseball team and the future of our city and our downtown and how the baseball team can be can make it happen. dreamed of this? I told Rubenstein scout it I said, I’ve been waiting for you. For 20 years. I’m not looking to offend you. But I’m not looking to kiss your ass to have access. You know what I mean? Like it doesn’t benefit anybody. Like it’s time? Yeah. And I think these are good people and they want to be perceived as such. But I have good questions for them. They’re not trick questions. They’re like, man, you spent 1,000,000,007 You’re serious. MF errs. Tell me about it the vision for how we lift this thing beyond gambling parlor.

Leonard Raskin  27:04

And we don’t need you know, we don’t need it to be only on the broadcast during the game from people that you employ. Technically, right. They’re employing those people. Yeah, I,

Nestor J. Aparicio  27:14

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you know,

Leonard Raskin  27:16

I saw a long time I saw opening day I saw opening day in the interview with David on opening day was outstanding. The guy talks baseball. He knows baseball. He was a city college kid. He he loved 33rd Street. He talked some amazing stats that you could tack chat with him about baseball, he and Jim Palmer were going at it. And Ben McDonald. It was a great conversation.

Nestor J. Aparicio  27:38

I felt bad that I missed it. My wife taped the game I still haven’t watched you got to hear that. What happened was I’m walking around the stadium on my phone when I was my wife. And my wife’s like, he’s talking about how much he loves Luis Aparicio.

Leonard Raskin  27:50

Right, it was his favorite player, player, baby. So there you go. That was a great interview. I mean, that’s something to listen to. And then send him an email with that tape and say, Here I am. Oh, no.

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Nestor J. Aparicio  28:03

Listen, I gotta make this documentary. I’ve done the work I’ve done. I would love to meet David Rubenstein. You will love me. I’d love to talk baseball with him. But I would be about being serious about like, wanting, I don’t know why he would AM. I don’t know why whatever they’re going to do. That’s the city because I don’t think this is about a billionaire just trying to be famous and buy beer. People not for him to get a statue sound like a statue bill. I mean, he really did. I mean, people wanted to be a hero. I don’t think this guy wants to be a hero. I think this guy wants to get it done. Really?

Leonard Raskin  28:37

Yeah, I think I think he does. And I think it’ll be a great, great future meeting. All right, man.

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