Bill Cole and Nestor return from MACO business networking in Ocean City with virtually every leader in the state – and all of them talking about the Orioles lease stall and the outlandish demands of John Angelos to keep Baltimore baseball alive at Camden Yards.
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Nestor Aparicio, Bill Cole
Nestor Aparicio 00:01
W n s t Towson, Baltimore and Baltimore positive we’re positively into crabcakes season into the baseball playoff season. This close to the Ravens beginning we’re gonna be back out on the Maryland crabcake tour next week we’re gonna be at Pappas and Glen Burnie the new Pappas not not up here, not Valley not Parkville not the one in Bel Air, which really is the new one. I’ve never been to the Glenburnie pap, so I’m looking forward to it. The 29th will be there two to five we’re gonna have anaerobic county executive Steuart Pittman joining us also our friends at window nation, 866 90 nation, making sure that summer leaves us in the right way. I got my windows open, it’s cracked the Orioles are in first place. They’re trying to win their home. And we’re trying to keep them in Baltimore. Bill Cole joins us now from coal roofing and Gordian energy. He is recovering from yet another Mako in Ocean City, Maryland. Phil had a heck of a time Mattamy governor’s senators, county executives, leaders, mayors, business owners, you know, what a time and everywhere I went, it wasn’t even had ravens gonna do or at Orioles gonna win the World Series. It’s how they’re gonna get this creek to sign a lease. So it’s a different kind of civic conversation than we’ve had here over 30 years. And 25 years of having wn St. What’s going on brother? How are you?
Bill Cole 01:21
I’m good. You know, it was a fun time I do enjoy. You know, it loosens up a little bit people’s guards are down, it’s at the beach, it’s kind of it’s kind of fun mixing that place that you went to as a kid. And then all of a sudden, you’re kind of trying to like, oh, not necessarily do business. But see a lot of people that you don’t get to see on a regular basis. And I do personally really enjoy the connecting part of it. Like you can meet a new person that you’d like and you think is useful in the universe. And then you can sort of bring them in and introduce them to lots of people. And I find a lot of satisfaction out of those connections. So for people
Nestor Aparicio 02:01
that you’ve never had a chance to talk to. He’s somebody seeing the room, you’re like, hey, I met you once bet. Yeah, you’re you know, and in my case being the public figure, you know, I stand in the middle of failures and people come up like I went on that road trip to Green Bay with you. I went on that trip to Philadelphia. Oh, the one with the carpet came up. Yeah. So I started telling them I’m doing this 25th anniversary. I said, Every memory that I’ve ever had that anybody comes up and says, I remember the time I blanked with you. You know who Steve that’s what the celebrations about. So it gave me I got two or three ideas from people, because they came up to me and they’re like, Hey, you never talked about the time you blanked, and I’m like, oh, yeah, the monkey in the studio. Everybody remembers the monkey chasing me around the studio. They do remember that? I get that one more than anything else. What do you make of the Oracle thing? I mean, I You were drinking in that corner, and I was over in this corner. We were going I don’t think we really had any conversation at all about the thing everybody was talking to me about which is the Oreos are red hot and they don’t have a lease.
Bill Cole 03:05
Yeah, you know, I think I have such a bad taste in my mouth. Because of the well wait a second, are you going to you’re going to suspend me if I talk nasty about them? Because, you know, a bad about the Orioles.
Nestor Aparicio 03:21
I hear that. My name is Aparicio,
Bill Cole 03:23
do you say some? If you say some, you know, I don’t know. I think I just have so much pent up disappointment from the last decade. You know that? It’s like when they kind of take these missteps in the middle of what is an amazing season. You’re kind of like yeah, I guess we should have expected that to come. Oh, you know, they spend the announcer that’s weird. Oh, they still haven’t signed the lease. That’s weird. But
Nestor Aparicio 03:50
we thought the kid that’d be worse than the old man. We really believe that. Like we knew the old man was was a demon on awful human. We didn’t think like, well, the kid can’t be worse. Like it just
Bill Cole 04:03
that unnamed manager that hides in the closet. That is the one that suspended him. Right. Like, we don’t know how it happened, but it’ll never happen again. Well, that is just want to, you know, the easiest thing to do in the world is to accept responsibility for something that is yours. Yeah, well, even if it’s not totally yours, or you feel like it’s shared. It doesn’t matter. The minute you sit down and you say, that was on me. I’m the top of the organization. Everything is on me, right? So that’s my mistake. We’re going to fix it. All of a sudden, all these other people pop up. And then like, Well, no, no, you don’t have to say that. John, that’s not true. You weren’t actually in the room when we decided to do that. I did that. And this other guy says, Well, no, no, hold on. You only did that because we convinced you to do that. And then all of a sudden it’s really easy for people to all share the guilt Right, the mistake. Well, the press
Nestor Aparicio 05:03
they crafted for Kevin Brown on that Friday night and dropping it on a Friday night with his face on it Greg gators name on it. I mean, Greg Bader is a punch line, you know, has been a punch line for 30 years here in my case, but because he hides, he’s the spokesperson who doesn’t speak. It’s like Chad Steele saying he was a brand manager. I’m like, what brand Have you ever managed? What brand Have you ever built? So they get given these billion dollar brands that stand for Cal Ripken and Brooks Robinson and Boog Powell and Jim Palmer, or Ray Lewis and John Ogden and Ed Reed, and don’t even understand the genesis of how it was built on the backs of fans, on the backs of people on the backs of businesses, and really, on the backs of government sticking their ass out, because that’s how the stadiums got built. Government had to be involved. Once we lost our say, and that picture or say wagging his finger in Mayor Schaefers face in that press conference has popped up again. And that’s pretty much what John Angeles is doing the West more just not at a press conference wagging his finger. Give me more Give me more. And once it’s like, do we got a football owner across you? Can you imagine for shotty laughing at this at Fredo trying to take the land and get $300 million more knowing that he doesn’t have to do anything that if Angeles is actually successful, he gets the money too. So John could say, Hey, Steve, I’m fighting for you. I’m trying to get you $300 million more from the people, we’re gonna rip the people off more, because we’re billionaires and we can’t afford it. Then the New York Times piece comes out. And he basically is pretending that they don’t get revenue from everywhere else that equals $300 million. The stupid fans all think I got in for eight bucks and I didn’t buy any beer. And I snuck my food in. And, you know, that’s how I’m gonna see the Orioles. Well, that’s not how they’re gonna pay Adley rutschman. They’re gonna pay Adley rutschman out of the pool money, because he’s got $300 million dollars a year revenue coming in $300 million a year and he’s crying for crying like he couldn’t afford players. Do this is a con game. This is a contract that’s going on with his baseball team. And it’s like Trump, it’s how many people will believe it. And how many people will research the truth about how much money that baseball team throws off that you don’t see. And I don’t see that doesn’t come in the stance.
Bill Cole 07:29
All right. So let’s just let’s preface it. Number one. This is extremely complicated, right? So you’re the juxtaposition of major league sports, you know, a modern American city, state government, like
Nestor Aparicio 07:47
your rare state government. Governments don’t share a place like Baltimore in the middle where people in Cumberland and people in Crisfield care about it enough politically, that Karl Anderton comes in from y comico County and says, Yeah, let’s give the city folks something, you know, because that doesn’t happen in other but it happened in Arizona. It doesn’t happen in California doesn’t happen in Florida, that things don’t get built like this. And that was the part for all the politicians at the beach to say to me, you know, this would never happen in Alabama. This won’t happen in Tennessee. And Carl Anderson informed me this. You know, in Tennessee, it’s not the state that gave the Titans $2 billion to build a stadium. It’s the county that that county is so rich, the downtown Nashville County, Cumberland County. They’re so rich. They’re Johnny yo and their steward Pittman is so rich, they can do a $2 billion bond to put a stadium in because it’s actually going to like have country music festivals, it’s really going to affect hotel rooms, they’re really going to bring guns and roses or Ed Sheeran or whatever in Billy Joel, Taylor Swift for a month, she’ll do a month residency in Nashville, and it’ll be insane, right? She’ll make $100 billion, but the city will be full. And they’ll pick a month when nobody’s there, which is impossible. But they don’t have any money for baseball. They already gave 2 billion that the county gave $2 billion to build a stadium. Where’s Nashville coming up with $600 million for John boy?
Bill Cole 09:11
No. All right. Okay. So it’s so it’s, it’s really complicated. I think that the entire discussion around in order to pay the players were going to have to raise the prices. There’s a question about, you know, at what point do you carve out half the demand for tickets because there’s people can’t afford them anymore? You know, like that whole discussion? That is potentially negotiating 101 Right where you like, try and start way over here and paint this awful picture, like, well, I don’t care, I’ll just raise the ticket prices, you know, it’s like, or I won’t. I’ll keep them cheap enough so that 7500 people show up and watch you lose, you know? 100 aims so that you could take that and make that a complete throw away, that really has no bearing, it really has no data behind it or how I even believe those decisions are being made, right? Because to your point, there’s a much more complicated income statement and balance sheet that’s going on, that lets you decide whether you what you want your payroll to be. And I don’t know who over there has shown the interest to compete using potentially payroll. That’s not that isn’t even the general manager they hired, right, they hired a guy who
Nestor Aparicio 10:46
is gonna bring him along and cheat, right, he learned how
Bill Cole 10:49
right he’s going to use the data science to find a way to win with cheap liars. So that is, you know, that, like, watch the actions, not the words, right. These are the things they’re doing. My concern this is his argument around the stadium complex, you know, as a large scale development, city, uplifting
Nestor Aparicio 11:21
Denisha that he should Oh, yeah, I
Bill Cole 11:23
mean, that people are going to buy into that, because it pushes the buttons and it says the right things like, like, we’ve been railing on the Orioles, look, when you’re terrible, and you’re not investing in the team. All the ecosystem suffers all the restaurants suffer. I mean, 7500 people go to a game, you know, nobody’s eaten a crab cake anywhere in the city that night, because I remember when it first fell
Nestor Aparicio 11:49
apart back at the turn of the century, because I moved downtown in 2003. And it was, I mean, it didn’t take long to go from 1997 1998 Full sky boxes to Oh, there’s the Nationals in oh, five, literally. And then it was over. It was just over then we didn’t even have any expectations that people would come not even when they were winning, and 12 and 14, they won and 1415 should have been a banner year with 3 million people. It wasn’t even when they started winning again, the fan base was fractured and different because of the Nationals and massive. But I remember going to over to balls when it was still balls, I think it might have been the Pratt Street in there. When the press retail has that space, the space that’s balls, you know what I’m talking about? I remember going over them when I first got married. It was Oh 304. And it was in like May, and unlike Tampa was in or whatever. And I remember going over there and sitting there with my wife from five until seven o’clock and the games are 730 back then. Right. And there weren’t 10 People in the bar on like a Tuesday or Wednesday night, right? And this is 20 years ago. So it’s you know, it’s ancient history. But I remember the first time I saw that, the first time I saw and pickles is its own thing. That guy has done a good job with his outside, that he has become their outfield porch. And now they’re trying to put him out of business, right? Like everything they’ve done is building the deck inside $5 beers come early, get your own Saturday, we’ll send a player out to the bullpen to sign autographs, like all all of that, that they’ve done is to put pickles out of business, right? And the same way they want the off the deck from hand and Chloroquine
Bill Cole 13:27
on but you cannot get mad at them about that. That it does. It’s not okay to be mad, right? Like that is capitalism and our competitive spirit. Now, where that gets really weird, is are they able to do things at a lower price, making it unfair competition? Because they get government funding? Right? That is the subsidizing that everyone claims about with China, right like China, they just subsidize their stuff. And US manufacturers can’t compete
Nestor Aparicio 14:01
us buys the corn from them and gives it to people for free. Right? So
Bill Cole 14:06
cost. So Right. So if, if they’re selling a $5 beer, because it really wasn’t $8 beer, but those $3 are getting sucked up by government funding, then that is an unfair advantage over the guy trying to sell an $8 beer because he’s got so many sell beer. But by the way, nobody needs to sell an $8 beer. We all know that. So like, the problem is how do you protect an ecosystem of healthy capitalism? Right? That is really that is really the big number, right? You build these these mega facilities. You draw all these people down. The economic impact is all of the ecosystem that comes from that the hotel rooms and the dinners and the other tours that they take or the other. You know, that’s where you take I bought
Nestor Aparicio 14:58
into that bill. I bought a condo right here, I lost a quarter of a million dollars buying a condo, because the promise of at nights a summer, and the promise of what that was going to mean for the tax base and crime. I mean, you know, I’ll take, I could take the Harford County position on that very shoe much crime, I’m not going. Okay, that’s the modern era. But that’s not where it was in 2004 or 56789 1011, when it completely fell apart, and people stopped going, because of all of the because it was a bad product, not because they didn’t want to stay at the hotel, or they didn’t want to have dinner at Philips, or they didn’t want to go to Ruth’s Chris, they, they didn’t want to go see the baseball team at any price. I know this, I was on the radio every day reporting about it.
Bill Cole 15:41
So so so the fans, the fans are going to root for Angelo’s to get all the money, because in his redevelopment, he’s likely to make it safer to park to get in a place to hang out before the game, right? Like all these amenities that come with that stadium complex, the government officials, they’re going to root for it, because he’s going to tell them all the economic good, that’s going to come to the city by doing this redevelopment. So what my concern is, is how do you disprove these these claims? How do you undermine like, you can either be okay with it, or you can not right? And if you’re not okay with with Angelo’s because he’s the owner of the baseball team, by default, being in this position to get advantages that the rest of the universe isn’t allowed to get. Right. But how do you
Nestor Aparicio 16:41
he’s already advantage the game $600 million.
Bill Cole 16:45
I understand. But what he’s saying is 600 million
Nestor Aparicio 16:47
to the good, I’m not gonna I’m not gonna I’m not
Bill Cole 16:51
get it. But if you want modern day baseball to work, the pitch is look at Atlanta. Look at these other places where it’s the stadium, it’s that that at night, and it’s this entire ecosystem, live play work, that all folds into that that’s the modern way we’re going to make baseball work because it doesn’t work just by itself anymore. Which okay, I don’t know, you know what I mean? Like, I can’t, I don’t have enough data to artists and
Nestor Aparicio 17:20
work as as in that way anymore. Because their television model is broken is gone. The old 1995 model is over the model where we build a new stadium and rub your feet up in the club level and get you Chardonnay. And, you know, bring you some beef wellington, you know, that’s not good enough anymore. That’s not good enough, right? Like, so. What is good enough? What is good enough because they don’t have acreage, they’re not rebuilding the stadium and Owings Mills, the stadium is there. The team is built. The city is built around it. And I think fundamentally, by the way, Paul calls your call a cold roofing and Gordian energy. We’re fighting about the Orioles because it’s important. Fundamentally, Major League Baseball does not envision John Angelo’s being the owner of this team five or 10 years from now, when that complex is built, right? Theoretically, they want to get rid of him, that once the old man expires, they they they don’t want him being the dreamer of the dream. First off, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He has no concept of anything. No plan, no nothing other than his hand out for money. Literally, in a project that can’t be done. Architects would say whatever you think we’re going to build underneath of those, those ramps can’t be built. There’s a tunnel underneath of it.
Bill Cole 18:47
I’m telling you right now, the New York time piece is John getting the playbook from Major League Baseball that they want him to deploy. And him saying, Guys, I’ll be a good soldier dude.
Nestor Aparicio 19:06
You’re speaking to a fan that doesn’t know and I know so I’m, I’m gonna go phone call around you. Nobody Major League Baseball speaks to him. Nobody likes him. Nobody wants him around. He doesn’t call them and they he doesn’t accept their calls. So to think that there’s any buddy buddy that Major League Baseball, St. John wants to go to the New York Times and cry poor, and that is not orchestrated. I promise. I promise you Ron Manford found that piece on Tuesday and said, God this kid is stupid. And I can’t even get him on the phone and save him from himself. They cannot get him to shut up. They cannot get him to sit down. They rob man for can’t get John Angelo’s to meet with him. Wait a second either. Can Wes Moore BOD
Bill Cole 19:52
would Why would rob Manfred think that Johnny Angelou says stupid when he is out there. trying to set an example for every other owner in Major League Baseball, to go to their municipalities and get hundreds of millions of dollars to build development that make their franchises worth 10s of billions. Because it’s apartments and shops, and retail and all this stuff like that is every mega millionaire person that owns these teams like that is the play. He is fighting the good fight on behalf of all the owners. Give me that 600 million give me 900 million. I’m, that’s I want. If I can do that, look, I’m pointing to Atlanta, because that’s what they did in Atlanta. Atlanta is not better than us. Why can’t we be Atlanta? And then Baltimore does it. And then Milwaukee comes out and says, why can’t we be Baltimore and we’re just as good as Baltimore. We’re in Milwaukee. So give us lots of money. Like we need
Nestor Aparicio 20:53
Milwaukee. We built their stadium, right? Out of nowhere, right?
Bill Cole 20:59
I want a billion dollars to develop around it. Right? Because tailgating
Nestor Aparicio 21:03
was important. Until, by the way if you tailgating the walking in the baseball parking lot. Johnsonville Are you ready for this? They’re the sponsor of the outhouse. They’re the sponsor of the big barn where you go and pee. I peed there with Jack Harbaugh. I know this is true. So in Milwaukee, the tailgate and the Brock worst in the beer, and charging you 50 bucks to park because that’s gonna be the drive in vague, you know, because he can’t make any money on every sausage you’re burning out on the grill. They’re not made they make buys markets is making money on that, not you. So the point of what Philadelphia does, which is I we have a bar in the middle of all the arenas, and it’s giant, it’s infinity and come on in. And here’s your 12 box, and pretty girls will hand them to you. Like, I get that. But that’s not what this place is going to be. I get my hotel all along, right? You wanted to help?
Bill Cole 22:03
Right? But my concern, is it just for a guy who doesn’t talk much. And then when he normally talks, you’re kind of like, oh my gosh, this is this is what we’re dealing with. That piece smelled very much like a politically controlled, like how a guy running for Senate would talk, right? Like, these are my talking points. These are the things I need to make sure I get in the article. And it seems very collaborative, where there is a very specific group of people who would stand to benefit. If this becomes the norm. I love
Nestor Aparicio 22:42
that I talked to you before I talked to Tyler cabinet because he wrote the piece for The New York Times he’s coming on. That’s interesting. All of my research tells me that there is no collusion with John Angeles in Major League Baseball, he is completely rogue candidate at this point. And he’s a road candidate that quite frankly, they don’t want John Angelo’s cutting any deals in Maryland, because at some point they want to cut John Angelo’s out,
Bill Cole 23:04
I wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist, right? Like, it’s okay. I I can I can make some stories up.
Nestor Aparicio 23:12
I agree with your point that this this is John Angelo’s has consultants, and his lawyers telling him get yourself in the New York Times as a leader of men. I mean, Johnny was just happy to see his name and his picture in the paper at this point. He is he’s a Fredo he’s been off in the woods all this time. Every he didn’t want questions at that press conference. But he short like sitting there, didn’t he back in May, you know, he, he’s never been a big deal in his life. He’s never, he’s never been famous or infamous. And he’s gonna He’s about to be infamous. He wants to be significant. But he doesn’t know how. And if he really wanted to curry to local people and sell them his bullshit. This is a great forum for that. He could sit here and try to convince me that he’s smarter than he is that he has a real of a fixed idea and a full idea, and that it’s executable. And that this money that he’s asking for isn’t lining his family’s pocket, that it’s designed to help the city and he can’t do any of that, because he has no credibility. And he has no trust. And he’s a liar, which is what my, my letter to him two weeks ago, which was about which is you’ve been lying from the minute you open your mouth. So now you’re gonna go to the New York Times and lie about crying poor that I can’t afford this. And I can’t afford that. And Tyler Kepner should have said, well, here’s the 100 10 million you got from From Revenue Last Year from the teams. Here’s here’s the BAM revenue. here’s the here’s the club revenue. Here’s your it’s $300 million, and he’s operating a $65 million payroll. Please, please, please, please don’t believe a word of what you read The New York Times about him crying poor. It’s so.
Bill Cole 24:55
So one of the problems we have is again and I mentioned this earlier, I have, you know, 10 years of built up distrust, right? Like, like, we have all the scars from the past. So there’s no way this guy would ever get a fair shake, right? Like he can’t get a fair shake because of all of the history that has happened. So I,
Nestor Aparicio 25:17
I don’t really know get a fair shake because you’ve lied shame on you.
Bill Cole 25:21
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I’m not saying it’s not it’s not fair to be in that position. I’m just saying this is the uphill battle that he is facing. My question for the author will be would be like, when he talked. And I don’t know how long they sat together. But like, you can tell when someone is being genuine and talking to you, versus giving you a rehearse line, or having to like, contemplate how to answer your question to fit into the box that they are trying to manage? I would be really curious. I mean, that guy, he’s been around a while, right? Like, he knows how to read people. He can tell when people are lying to him, or they’re, or they’re giving him the line that I was supposed to give you. I’d be very curious how how he felt about that discussion. Look, I, I, we talk enough. I know your default position. Like
Nestor Aparicio 26:16
my default position is it could be great. And that complex, if it could be built on to be made better, and there was still parking. I like all of that I but I like someone with credibility, and someone like Larry Lucchino 35 years later, or like Marty Conway, or like, the people who Janet Marie Smith, the people who built it, they came out in 1988, and said, we’re building a stadium and 1989, we fought about it. 1990 fought about it, and went down to Annapolis. So I told you 100 times, Stedman wanted the stadium and port Covington, which is now Baltimore Peninsula. I saw those people that make her last week. So there was a a public forum, I don’t know that it was a debate because it was their money, not ours. And Camden Yards got built red, not silver, right. Like they did what they wanted to do, and the like, but there was a, there was a true feeling. And I was at the paper at this time trying to evaluate all this, right, there was a feeling that this would rise the city that it would be our Gateway Arch. It was until the product on the field was completely mismanaged by Peter Angeles. And solely by Peter angelos, for the first 25 years of this disaster. That’s now we’re now 3032 years into this. So
Bill Cole 27:38
I think my concern is that you’re two steps away from like, supporting a plan that appears to you know, do this uplifting that you’re talking about, right. But you’ll never be able to get there because of the the perceived architect or the benefactor or whatever. So I think let’s it the goal would be in further investigation around this concept is like, what are the actual projects that will actually bring tangible benefit to the city and the underserved population? And the people who need jobs? And you know, like, like, what are those projects? They
Nestor Aparicio 28:26
put a golf driving range down there in the middle of nothing. And that’s economic development. I don’t. Okay, I mean, first off, I don’t, I’m not a golfer, and that’s fine. But like,
Bill Cole 28:39
it’s a it’s a tourism thing I like, you know, in cleaning up a part of town that is, you know, fairly decimated. So, you know, nobody was moving in next to the casino anyway. Right. So I got
Nestor Aparicio 28:52
Cena was supposed to be its own thing that it hasn’t been, it’s been a lot of bullshit. It’s been a lie.
Bill Cole 28:57
My question for them is just what are these projects like? Like, my suggestion to Wes would be get granular, like, assign somebody, stadium authority, whomever, whatever, I don’t care study. I Hate Studies. studies seem like a huge waste of money. But whatever. I guess you got to do them. I understand. Just get into the projects. You know what I’m saying? Like, evaluate the projects themselves. Don’t just wholesale. And there’s not enough time, because they’ve all waited too long. Like this conversation sort of started five years ago.
Nestor Aparicio 29:40
2018 Correct. Yeah. I mean, just like Manny Machado, right, just like where they are with rutschman and where they are with Henderson that these kids keep hitting the ball. This guy screwed up. By the way. The other part of this and I know I have to let you go. John, deep down, believes that he’s acting as if he will own the team the next 25 years. I think deep down me Major League Baseball has told him and his family, dude, you’re not going to be the one. So go get the 900 million go and prove this for when you sell it, it will create more value for you. So in the end, whatever we’re giving the Angelo’s family in this case, above and beyond the first 600 million, which is pretty freaking generous, by the way, that if there was more to get, all that’s going to do is upon sale, when the old man expires, and Mom’s gone. When the sale happens to Mr. Big, the sale price will be bigger, because the project won’t be what Oakland is, which is depressed right now. Right? It’s not, it won’t be a depressed project, it’ll be a burgeoning project that he stole money from the government that Mr. Big is going to have to pay him for. So that’s really, this is his chance to bite the apple one time as I see it, because they’re going to throw him out. Now he’s not going to say that he might not even believe that he believes all sorts of things that apparently aren’t true, including that he’s taller, but bore you’re gonna make my mind you’re gonna increase the value of my franchise so that when you take it from me, and you come get it, you have to give me more for it.
Bill Cole 31:12
Or keep an eye in how that those development projects are titled, who owns them long term outright? Like what’s the group that’s put together and watch to see whether that you know, is not associated with the baseball team, because he’s worried that he’s going to lose the baseball team, but he can hold on to the entire ecosystem and hold the baseball team hostage. So lots of good stuff to keep our eye on
Nestor Aparicio 31:38
if they could bring Hooters back and bring back Mike Mussina to pitch every fifth day and I don’t know what other dreams do we have here?
Bill Cole 31:45
I mean, I was I like Jeff Ballard. But you know, I don’t know if he I don’t know if he works in today’s baseball. He’s
Nestor Aparicio 31:50
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