Serving gratitude and holiday peace of mind with our football

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In an all-too-rare holiday sit down amongst friends, Bill Cole joins Nestor at State Fare in Catonsville to discuss all of of the football we’ve been watching and the season of holiday gratitude upon us to immerse and enjoy. Christmas is a time to say I love you!


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Bill Cole, Nestor J. Aparicio

Nestor J. Aparicio  00:00

Welcome back wn st Towson, Baltimore. Baltimore positive we’re positively at State Fair in Catonsville folks are coming in and they’re having fare and it’s stately and I had a Western omelet. Sounds really delicious man I had to ham the cheese all that stuff because here I did have the coal roofing mug out this morning I drank out of it. I was gonna bring it but I’m afraid to break in it because it’s it’s like the last ones vintage it says 2019 on which I think you probably made it like 18 which makes it like six years old so it’s getting to be that point. It’s vintage. We’re doing this courtesy the Maryland lottery it is the crab cake tour. They have crabcakes now that they sit on eggs benedict here in the morning, it’s delicious. I’ve given away a whole bunch of the unwrap the cash we had fine our Winter $2 Winter $10 Winter, winter winter winter winter I have the oh snap the you’re under the weather so you’re sitting a little bit away from me which I appreciate for him to be sharing the smell like gingerbread they smell nice and then the peppermint payouts the smell nice too and these are $3 which you can get a lot of money on this year. You got your multiplier going on. So the mental lottery put us out on the road our friends window nation I have the wacky hat and our friends of course at Jiffy Lube multi care Dennis Colossus is going to be here couldn’t be here this morning. Evan Brown was going to be here was here is under the weather did not want to come on the set and go cold sick Tom Kelso still sick couldn’t be here today. I’m the only one not sick and it’s I got to stay away from you. Right. What did you do? Well, you get on rubes in the cold and you do all this.


Bill Cole  01:33

I don’t know I’m blaming my kids for this one. But I don’t really know if that’s fair, but I’m blaming them anyway.

Nestor J. Aparicio  01:39

Is it the solar panels fault? No, I’m whipping out my trump is announcing that the windmills cause cancer to the solar panels cause colds now.

Bill Cole  01:46

Now, I don’t know. I’m not sure you know, this one snuck up on me my kids were saying a couple times but I managed to dock incubators, right so I get it but I dodged and dodge and dodge and then you know, Thanksgiving. It’s like you get it and hopefully I get rid of it. Within a month. Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  02:03


I’m gonna quote the great Anthony Fauci. Dr. Anthony Fauci calling is super spreader. Thanksgiving is a super spreader event the night before certainly when all you Calvert Hall types get together in the oil you know everybody’s hugging drinking off the same this token off the same whatever you’re doing, you know Turkey pass this hammy that I grandma’s Good to see you and then right so Yeah, buddy, that the good news. I don’t have any family so I don’t have to touch people during the holidays. That’s why I’m the only one not sick this week. Maybe

Bill Cole  02:33

I don’t know why it wasn’t like we did a lot. I love that that’s questionably my most favorite four days of the year like doesn’t have the same fever as the end of the year. It doesn’t have all this stuff. You know, I get a guy buys a turd. All I gotta do is feed people and then watch football. So I really do. It’s like a four day respite. It’s a good one.

Nestor J. Aparicio  02:56

I will say this for state fair because we’re here and if you’re looking behind me this, I don’t know whether this is Biggie Smalls, or whether this is Cobain, or whether this is Eddie Vetter could be anybody could be Stevie Wonder. But they’re all wrap the entire place. And if I had Evan on and he is sitting on the other side, but he’s under the weather. The bartender when I came here at 820 this morning, it’s all Christmas music and I was the only one here got here early. They serve breakfast at State Fair Catonsville. And it’s all holiday cheer and the whole place looks like a Christmas garden like literally, and by the way, damy from families, they’re trying to get the fishmongers daughter room, and I’m gonna talk to her about this later this month. They have a beautiful train garden in the front of their space next door. It’s not open yet obviously it’s construction too. But they put this giant old school train guard now. So Kingsville has like a vibe about it. That was the reason I wanted to do this holiday thing. But between Evan hug and relatives you hugging relatives, kelsoe hug and REL and I’d lost all my guests so you’re nice enough to come out you sound like crap you feel as bad as you sound.

Bill Cole  04:01

Oh no, I’m on the mend. I’m on the mend. Like I haven’t slowed down. You know, I don’t know. We don’t have rules about being sick right now. So just keep you know, I’ve my wife’s been stable ever rely on me and things that I need to get done and got to do what I got to do. And I don’t know. Just


Nestor J. Aparicio  04:19

Well, football is on your mind. You’ve been sitting here for 20 minutes. And sometimes I can’t talk sports with you and I’ve been trying to talk Baseball, baseball winter meetings are on a cell. Shannon Sharpe over here is Florida State circumstance with college football. We got college basketball Terps look awful. Right. Let’s start the season. But in the meantime, I don’t know that you and I have known each other almost 30 years. I’ve had the station 25 years. We’ve been a part of this. I don’t know that we’ve ever had nine and three football team. Everybody getting out of the way. Coming off of a buy home game this week. Big road games right. National TV next weekend. Jacksonville we’ll see Trevor Lawrence Maybe maybe not national TV Christmas night playing the best team and land. Then we play Miami who might be the second best team in the right. I mean, so we have all of these little mini playoff games coming up here. Sports is back. The baseball team won 101 games, they’re not doing anything at the winter meetings. We don’t have a whole lot of confidence in them. But first place baseball team division champion baseball team football. For me. That doesn’t know we thought it was perspective. If this isn’t the good threat, and what’s the

Bill Cole  05:32

I hear, I think it was really good up until I saw our schedule the Ravens schedule for like, I didn’t realize it and I

Nestor J. Aparicio  05:41

say that. Yeah, I

Bill Cole  05:42


think it could be tough, you know, I mean, Andrews, and we’re gonna miss him. And I don’t know, I just, I think two weeks ago or whatever, it was kind of like, Yeah, we’re good. But I don’t know if we’re this good. And everybody was, you know, squarely making that question. And then now it’s like, Well, we’re about to find out. You’re like, the charger. Yeah, like if we win, if we win, the majority of their games left, then I think you have to consider us legitimate. We have one they’re very legit. Yeah, no doubt, you

Nestor J. Aparicio  06:15

know, to the lose in Jacksonville, you lose in San Francisco. I mean, I don’t say the Steelers is a giveaway at the end. But I don’t know where Mitch Trubisky is certainly where Joe Flacco is at this point for Cleveland. We’re not playing them, but they have an easier schedule. And I thought the Flacco thing was fascinating over the weekend that he can still play sure he can still play. I mean,

Bill Cole  06:38

don’t sleep on Miami where Miami and there too. Right? Well,

Nestor J. Aparicio  06:42

Miami and Kansas City are the you know, have sort of replaced Buffalo and Cincinnati. Now that we’ve in Cincinnati one I mean, they think they’re alive in their White Helmets this week. Right? But the ravens are in the catbird position here. The Ravens own their destiny, and they’ve stacked up wins against backup quarterbacks backup, you know, they had the PJ kid from Cleveland back in the beginning and Dorian I mean, they played bad quarterbacks the first half of the season, this defense is going to get a chance much like the Browns number one Browns defense until they weren’t a war against against chargers. This defense is going to see a gauntlet here the next five weeks that’s going to show us whether we’re meant for Las Vegas. I agree.


Bill Cole  07:29

I agree. I just want to be on the record like the Bengals going White is just terrible. Like Well, I think that unlike a lot of other teams and logos and helmets and color schemes and all that stuff. The the Bengal helmet like for children that never goes out of style. Like it is cool as cool gets well now they have to, you know, yeah, but that’s I don’t know. I

Nestor J. Aparicio  07:58

assumed it was 1981. When they change that helmet. You can Google this. CHRIS COLLINS worth was a rookie. They played at Memorial Stadium. And the Bengals always said that boring Boogie Clark, Ken Anderson, be NGLS. Right. You said Bengals on it. Right. And when they went to that thing, I would agree with you that iconic. Yeah, I mean, the Zubaz jungle II kind of thing. My wife saw them on TV. That’s ugly. I’m like, every person who’s a Bengals fan thinks that white thing is the greatest thing ever sure.

Bill Cole  08:28

I’m sure. Well, like the Seahawks in the neon green. That was a that that was big. That’s such a bad idea.

Nestor J. Aparicio  08:36


Well, when they played in the Superbowl, I went up to New York. And it’s just Mr. Yuk everywhere in Times Square. Right.

Bill Cole  08:43

You know, I mean, I look I appreciate neon green being like on the color palette for the team. Like I think that’s cool. But not run out there in a full neon green uniform is just such a

Nestor J. Aparicio  08:58

color rush. You know, when they look like ketchup and mustard and jelly and we look like skinny grapes kind of sort of

Bill Cole  09:06

talk about timeless helmets. Here’s your segue like that Michigan Wolverine helmet. Like don’t ever change that. Like that is that’s that’s legit. Like that’s well, they’re


Nestor J. Aparicio  09:17

in the playoffs for steaks not right.

Bill Cole  09:19

That wouldn’t be the way I’ve done it.

Nestor J. Aparicio  09:23

Well, but you’re not trying to sell 10 I mean, it’s a game.



And I really, look when

Nestor J. Aparicio  09:30

I talk about college football. You’re gonna ask me what I think of it. I would say to you, what did you expect? This isn’t sure this is back to Brigham Young being undefeated 30 years ago and why we needed to play what we need to play. I’ve been on the air 32 years I spent the first 15 nationally syndicated we need to play off we need to play then they get a playoff and then they screw the whole bowl system. Then we’re going to do one Fiesta one rose one orange. We’re gonna get money to everybody. We’re gonna give Fox a game. We’re gonna give ESPN Now ESPN is gonna buy them all we’re gonna get like, so it goes on and on. But the SEC is where the money is like, at one point it was with Notre Dame it was with Miami. It’s now with Alabama and with Georgia, and they have built the model that shakes out all the money for the NFL and for all of it, get used to it.

Bill Cole  10:22

Right. So they clearly made decisions that they knew were going to be controversial, although I don’t know that there was any decision that wasn’t going to be controversial. So the fact that we’re all talking about it, well, we’ll have to Well, that’s like, sure. That’s victory one for them. I don’t you know, what’s weird and hard to comprehend is even watching the Michigan Iowa game. Like the number of times the announcers said, oh, you know, whatever the kid’s name was transfer from wherever, right? I mean, it’s almost every guy on the field. And that’s for Iowa, and every other team. Well, yesterday, how does this even how does this even work? Like what is like, like, if you’re able to do free agency and cultural which you are right, and you’re able to pay them? They are that is a significantly better show than pro football. From the standpoint of they also have the pomp and circumstance and big alumni base, right. So it’s an event and football pro football is struggling with that they’re struggling with the game day experience. College football, it’s all

Nestor J. Aparicio  11:36

about the deal told me it’s perfect and that I should go home and watch the games on television. Okay, they didn’t need more reporters. They don’t need more tickets. By the way, I got my email this morning trying to sell me tickets for a game that they threw seats they threw me out of they want me to buy the PSL now for 500 bucks, and they can’t give the tickets away. And all my how is this with a nine and three football team? Right? I mean, the weather doesn’t look bad. This isn’t a night game. It’s going to your kids and the rams are coming in Matt Stafford Aaron Donald’s going to the Hall of Fame right, Aaron, Donald Aaron, Donald’s the greatest defensive player of this generation, not named Rayleigh and I had this argument with with Luke this week, I believe maybe it was Raskin. I don’t know that Aaron Donald might be the best defensive player of the century of the century. That’s that’s a Ray Lewis argument. Or lacquer. You know, pick your read pick your player. Sure. But Aaron, Donald’s that gun of them. Yeah, he’s that good?


Bill Cole  12:32

I don’t know. That’s a tough one. So yeah, I get it. I don’t understand. There’s there’s something missing demographics. I don’t know. The television is too good. I don’t know. I mean, I’m not going. So you know,

Nestor J. Aparicio  12:50

Thursday night, or you’re an old guy like me, like logging into Amazon stealing my kids account, which is the way I do it. Because I’m an American. I use his account to log in just to watch like, week five, the bears were playing the commander’s half the time I’m like, do I care that much to log in, right?

Bill Cole  13:09

I forget and don’t adjust my fantasy, my

Nestor J. Aparicio  13:13


computer. And I don’t have like the Smart TV, like people get on me, but the Smart TV thing, and I’m like, I have a TV. I don’t want to spend $300 to have Netflix on my TV. Maybe my wife watches Netflix on her iPad. So we’re all having screen issues, right? About how we do this. But sports is pushing us in a different direction, right with Amazon and with games on computers and games, on tablets and slime games for Nickelodeon. But baseball can’t even John Angelos can’t figure out how to get me the game in the car when I’m on 50 Drive in Ocean City on a Friday night on television, because I can’t stream it. Even though I’m paying him. To have it. You have saying I’m buying this subscription right through my cable provider. Right. And I’m in the car, and I have to listen to the radio. I don’t

Bill Cole  14:03

think that’s not intentional. You know,


what do you mean? I mean, would you want to charge me twice? Yeah,

Bill Cole  14:11

of course they do. Of course they do. That’s the old way. With the old model. We need to do something different in the new model, but I can watch Netflix anywhere I want. I am a Disney plus subscriber and Indiana Jones. The new one just came out on there. So I sat down to watch that with my daughter over the weekend. You know, they have commercials in it now.


Nestor J. Aparicio  14:33

See paying for HBO with commercials

Bill Cole  14:36

or Disney right? And it’s like an honor and I’m like, why are they showing us questions like Oh, I’m sure they have like a premium subscription now, and we just have the regular one. Like Wait, wait a second. What? What is going on? Like

Nestor J. Aparicio  14:51

I couldn’t pay you more? Yeah

Bill Cole  14:52


servile. It’s terrible. I don’t get it.

Nestor J. Aparicio  14:55

Well, we’re all trying to figure this out like from

Bill Cole  14:58

a golden age of television has passed. Despite when everybody canceled

Nestor J. Aparicio  15:01

on me today, I invited a whole bunch of people to come over today. So Pam wood from the banner, she’s gonna come on soon. Chris pike you couldn’t get here today but I’m going to have him on soon. Chris Corman from the banner sports editor invited him over. We’re going to have Gina shock at a foreign dollar get confirmation on next Friday. So come on out the foreign daughter for the crabcake tour. Janet Marie Smith is going to be coming on soon. Karen Faulkner is trying to I’m trying to get her on the show talks and leadership and stuff. So she’s gonna go Marty Conway was unavailable. Chad, we sling I’m trying to find agent Chad, Allen McCallum, he couldn’t do it today. So I had all these people when I cancelled and all this stuff going on. But I wanted to talk a little bit of baseball at some point.


Bill Cole  15:46

Baseball, I want to go back to the college football thing, because I have, I believe there was a big miss in the world of like, teaching our children in like good society and like, like student athletes. Oh, well, yeah, that’s a loose term. Like they could have taken the opportunity to not take Michigan and tell them because you lack integrity. We don’t really know how good you are. So we’re not picking you. You cheated. Yes. You cheated. And this is this is the consequence. Like they had it was I mean, to have another team that they could reasonably make the argument for, gave them this giant door to walk through to say, We will not tolerate

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:40

that. They’re about selling tickets to Wolverine supporters.

Bill Cole  16:43

I know. But I’m just saying it’s a really big missed opportunity is just try news

Nestor J. Aparicio  16:50


when it comes to like education and state financing and funding and its significance and going into class. And it’s always a bit slippery,

Bill Cole  17:01


Nestor J. Aparicio  17:02

But now it’s just out of the open for full bands or tree right? Like,

Bill Cole  17:07

see like in the NFL. When you cheat, right? The owner has to go to a meeting with the other owners and they’re all sit around the table like, seriously, man, we’re all trying to do this together while trying to make money. And you’re gonna cheat one of us like, that’s literally taking money out of my pocket. Don’t do that again. Are


Nestor J. Aparicio  17:25

you not gonna be a partner? That’s really what got Britta Snyder in the end, right? He stole money from them. So,

Bill Cole  17:30

but in college football, you don’t have that. You don’t have this honor amongst thieves. I mean, it’s just it’s too fragmented. And you know, too many different schools and too much stuff going on, that they can sit around and hold each other accountable. That just doesn’t exist. I mean, so I think they missed a golden opportunity. There

Nestor J. Aparicio  17:48

was no overall strategy for how this was going to work. The whole idea was land rush, wild, wild west go. And I heard Gary Williams almost a year ago now talking about there’ll be guardrails put in really by whom whom who who who is really going to use what’s Florida State gonna do a back end there’s they’re gonna do there’s a mike leach clip. What’s the ACC gonna do about this? There’s

Bill Cole  18:13


a mike Leach. I think it’s Mike leach right when he Washington State Yeah. There’s a clip of his almost Maryland right there’s a clip of him talking about putting together a committee to decide which football teams should play in the playoffs and who picks the committee that’s my head like, oh, Bob’s a nice guy. He should be on the committee and No, no,

Nestor J. Aparicio  18:34

Cole and I are going to pick the people we like it’s a really

Bill Cole  18:37

good it’s pretty he’s pretty funny because he just like well, why don’t y’all just decide at the beginning of the year and we don’t even have to play any games because you already know put Alabama just put it’s pretty funny. It’s worthwhile goals here.

Nestor J. Aparicio  18:49

We’re giving away some Oh snaps, we’re giving away some peppermint payouts. I’ve got some unrushed unwrapped on wrap the cache and big appreciation for Ross for putting these together work state fair, we are in Catonsville in the 21228. Window nation. 866 90 nation I gotta talk to about doors as well because they do doors. It is a holiday you buy two you get two free 0% financing, and Jiffy Lube, multi care. They gotta give me a fun hat or something to wear. So I’m going to talk about Jiffy Lube people. Were giving me winners out here. We’re at State Fair, folks under the weather. We’re doing the show at foreign dollar next Friday. We’re going to be wise and honey go the week of Christmas. We’re going to be failing at the end of the year on the 28th of December. But it’s been a hell of a run dude. I did I did crab cake tours every day. Friday. I’m up at Hollywood Casino. My wife’s like you’re bringing more crab cakes home, aren’t you? I’m like yep. So I had five crab cakes that John shields.


Bill Cole  19:39

Are you ever gonna burn out on crab cakes now, though? I

Nestor J. Aparicio  19:43

did oysters last week and gertrudes. And that’s going to be it’s no secret. I’m going to do oysters next year. And I told John shields. So here’s the crazy story of I’m not really related to anybody, right. I mean, at the Aparicio side, I had my adopted McGugan saw I had my mother’s maternal family. There was nobody else right? Like she didn’t make any more babies. She had a half brother. I got a half cousin and Dundalk got a couple of cousins like scattered around the country. I have relatives from my adopted family in Delaware a little bit but not, but I don’t have any internal like Baltimore family, right. And I only have a son right. And he doesn’t have any kids. He has a wife, right. And I never really think much about her family because I knew her father. He died kind of tragic. I know her mother, she catsuits and whatever. So I don’t like ask about family much. So John shields came on the show last week, John shields a celebrity chef. He owns gertrudes he’s a beautiful man. Wonderful man. He came on the show. I’d never met him before. I had heard all these great things about him. We were Facebook friends. And I went to the bottom of magazine party a year and a half ago, and somebody from his place was there and I gave a car manager was there and I’m like, Hey, I hear you at the greatest crab cake. I’m doing this crab cake tour. But I don’t really want your crab cake. I want your vegan crab cake because that Ramos Council Moran was told me you have a vegan crab cake that’s delicious. And nobody has such a thing. So I want but he has he has three crab cakes on his menu occur treats. He has a boardwalk which is East Side fried the way you and I know it grew up with he has the goodies which is more of a Baltimore you know, nice, Lumpy, you know, crab Country Club crab cake. And then he has a Barbara Mikulski crab cake because she eats it and she insert crab cake. I don’t even know what it is. It’s some bread prompt. I don’t know it’s a bakery crab cake. So Tuesday last week, set up with John coming in to your place on Thursday. And I put out online his menu because his menus eloquent. It’s beautiful, like fried oyster, just all these beautiful Chesapeake kitchen items. And my I don’t know what the relationship is. You’re going to be the the judge of this bill Cole, my daughter in law, my son’s wife’s mother rights. I don’t know what her relationship is to move other than in the mother in law. You know, the mother of my daughter in law sent us wonderful. Her name is Cindy shields fate. Kevin Vate, her ex husband was my Kevin was on my little league team and his daughter married my son crazy thing, my dad’s Little League team. So it’s this crazy little family thing. So the shields side of her name. She writes on my Facebook, John’s my cousin, give him my love. I love him. Tell them I said Lo. And I’m like, am I related to John shields? Like, so I asked him he thinks we’re marriage. Right? Yeah. But is that the most small to more thing you’ve ever heard in your life? That I have a relative that’s a famous crabcake. His his handle on Instagram is Mr. crabcake. John,

Bill Cole  22:54

right? No, the most the typical Baltimore style is like my mom’s swears that Cal Ripken is my cousin. How? I don’t know. Right? Like, she’ll try and explain it to me. But like, how does she explain it? You know, come on. No, I have no idea. Like, I can’t repeat it. But it’s like, her mother’s sister’s, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know what? I thought you were like,

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:16


she’s causing 14th? Cause me what does that mean? So

Bill Cole  23:20

it’s that’s what we’re all I mean, you’ll think that’s fairly normal.

Nestor J. Aparicio  23:26

It’s not normal to me, I would say, with exception that I have a related a related person who, you know, makes crab cakes with

Bill Cole  23:35

the exception of transient communities like Washington DC or New York or where so many people don’t aren’t born there and they move there. That’s it’s different. But for places like Baltimore, or Detroit or St. Louis, I mean, in Arizona, my family, right, like we’re all like, you know, three cousins away from each other something I don’t know. I


Nestor J. Aparicio  23:56

was just happy to be related to such a nice man so well, we had a nice visit. We talked about crabcakes talked about oysters. Talked about the oyster tour I’m going to do next year he had these fried oysters on his menu you and I went through this at Amy’s I never ordered fried oysters but when when I’ve eaten them I’m like, oh my because I don’t know where to get them very all you know, it’s not a common

Bill Cole  24:15

I know a fried oysters and

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:18

these were getting the gertrudes no offense, the damy I love YouTube one of those ones that gertrudes were and I said these special now we just fish shuck them and you know, do them up in a little bit of real simple and I’m like flash fry them and they’re crispy.

Bill Cole  24:33


So you’re gonna ask your question, just totally put you on the spot. Sure. Okay. So what do you think the most significant thing that happened in 2023? Like when we look back in history at 20 Oh, Israel and Hamas.

Nestor J. Aparicio  24:49

Always a question about that. That’s going to change the face of the next 20 years of our lives. I believe that it’s not gonna end well. It’s not going well. For anybody, I don’t think, right. I think the Ukraine Russia thing is quieted down a little bit, but they’re still people over there dying. So they things this year that happened like that the AI phenomenon and it coming to a place where I’m using it, you’re using it, people are using it, and what we’re going to do with it, how we’re going to control it, I think that’s a big story for 23. What do you think? I mean, locally in Baltimore, I would tell you, it’s a sports Renaissance, right. But this clown that runs the baseball team can’t even get a lease to get prosperity like true civic buy in and but locally here, you know, I think it’s been a different kind of year with a different governor. And I think getting people out and about without a plague, even though you’re sick right now and everybody’s sick right now. I think we’ve had a much more normal year than we had in 2021 22. I think this is the first year where we’ve all felt a little bit normalized. We’re coming out of that decompression of the plane, right? No

Bill Cole  25:59

remind no reminders, no flare ups, no, none of that kind of stuff, where they put it in our face. And we were actually able to like operate for 12 months without shutting things. COVID scare your whatever it was whatever it evolved into. That’s good. All right. What do you believe? You when you look back at 23 You What is the thing that you will be the most grateful for? In 23?

Nestor J. Aparicio  26:29

Good health this year for me, like my back has been better this year. It’s still not perfect. I was stretching out. I mean, I have a degenerative disc, I’m going to need a back surgery at some point, according to three surgeons. So I’m staving that off at this point. So yes, I’ll give you something I’m really grateful for having done this year. My wife and I only really went to one vacation together this year. We went to Maui. And we didn’t want to go we weren’t I booked it. It was so cheap. I had a really cheap flight. I bought one of those Black Friday, things that happened last year. And I had some like literally $209 flight to Hawaii, and my wife could go for free. Right and then we got root. And I’m like what’s gonna be expensive to be there. Then we found some situations that were affordable. We went and we had dinner in La Jolla, three nights almost in a row. We fell in love with this little Italian Bistro, called Sol a Pepe. And it’s been separated since the time we were there. So I am really grateful that I got to see behind you and experience it one more time before the tragedy stronger. So you’re asking me deep, good questions. You’re asking me deep questions


Bill Cole  27:40

for those. That’s good stuff. How about so what do you I am

Nestor J. Aparicio  27:44

experiencing the left handed gratitude of the awfulness and the despicable nature of the Baltimore Ravens front office and their lies and the owner and Chad Steele and figuring out positive things to do with the time that I have been gifted back to not spend time asking Lamar questions that he doesn’t want to answer and asking John Harbaugh questions that he doesn’t want asked. You have to say I’m sure it’s not right. In any way, but I have really tried to use this year, specifically this year, because I’ve had more time to plan to to know that I’ve been thrown off a radio row I’ve been discredited, but they’ve called around the league to tell the league that I’m no longer a real journalist. Even though I’m sitting here doing what the work I’ve done for 32 years at the same integrity. I’ve done it. I’m using that time more wisely, sir, the Wednesdays I used to drive out. Last Monday, I would have been in an airplane all day long flying home from Los Angeles, spending money to do that, to cover the team honorably. So I’m using time differently. So that it’s 23. He’s taught me we all have the same time. I know that but to use my time even more. I don’t know expeditiously. I don’t know.

Bill Cole  29:03

strategically. Yes. passionately. Something. Yeah. All right. How about not

Nestor J. Aparicio  29:09


wasting time, I thought I did feel like a lot of and I expressed this to Chad Steele and Kevin Byrne, that I felt like as a as a human going out there to a cattle call to be treated like trash by tread steel to be treated with indifference and disgust and disdain by players and by coaches. Like an intrusion, like an imposition. Like I was lucky to be breathing their oxygen after a decade of that. I I’m okay with the fact that I I’m not subjected to that. Right? Because I did say to them, you know, this is a big waste of time, right? Like we come out here. You guys are all full of shit. You know what I mean? Like, I didn’t point that out, and it didn’t used to be that way. It doesn’t have to be this way, right? We don’t have to be treated like we’re visiting a prison. And we’re the prisoners, right? Like literally, like we could coordinate in a we Mazal put shackles on us. While we’re, you know, everybody else is free to run around. We’re almost like the zoo creatures. When we come in the locker room, we’re being looked at by them. Like, we’re the ones in the cage. It’s a really strange dynamic that I can’t, I can express to you, but like to fans. It’s bizarre. And it wasn’t that way. I did this work. I’ve done this work since I was 15 years old. Wasn’t that way walking in the Skipjacks locker room? The Orioles locker room and Rick Vaughn ran it the Ravens locker room when Brian Billick and Kevin burns humans were running it you know, I’m saying like, sports wasn’t that way. It wasn’t that way when Ron Vanderlinden ran the Terps was that way when Gary ran the Terps because you know as

Bill Cole  30:55

a as a product of money or you think something else? Like

Nestor J. Aparicio  31:01

arrogance, ego self importance, and lack of need and or respect for any of it. Or any of it. These kids come in now you’ve given them NIHL money, they think it fell off the Maryland big 10 tree, right? Like the turtle tree, right? When they come in there. They just there is no to your point. There’s no loyalty they’ll transfer out.

Bill Cole  31:26

Yeah, I don’t know. I think that’s all a big ticking time bomb that will explode at some point. How


Nestor J. Aparicio  31:31

do I go to that kid’s locker? And you can’t ask him anything about football, because he’s not allowed to talk about it. You can’t ask him anything about life because he doesn’t know anything. And you can’t ask him anything about the transfer portal? Because like, it’s this sort of like asking you why you left your ex girlfriend. You’re just not allowed to ask that question. Right? Yeah, even though you want me to buy your jersey at the team store. Right, right. Of course. Even though you were Mississippi last year, and you’re in Alabama this year, right? Like, I don’t know, dude, it’s pretty weird. So Flacco is playing for the Browns right now. We don’t think that’s weird law. Just he’s gonna run it a buck. Right? Well,

Bill Cole  32:03

except that, again, there’s a salary cap. So like, don’t don’t lose sight on like, you know, it took pro sports a long time to continue to tweak their model, right? To get a small still as an amateur. Right. Right. And there’s suffering to that and, and now you’ve got college, heading down a disastrous path, I think but who knows? All right.

Nestor J. Aparicio  32:28

I agree. It’s disastrous college. I Oh, I I fully agree. It’s disastrous. I mean, I I don’t know how anyone could ever have as much interest moving forward, as we once did in the past. I

Bill Cole  32:42


don’t know. I mean, it’s pretty compelling. Like, Alabama, Georgia that like, unless you have a really good football game to watch. Like, they like they are really good. There’s, that’s, I mean, it’s pro right. It’s like professional. It’s like Junior professional is it’s not minor leagues. Right. But it’s, I guess it is, I don’t know. It just, it almost feels more exciting. It’s more exciting than a triple A they compete

Nestor J. Aparicio  33:08

with Vanderbilt, though. You know what I mean, they’re competing with with other places, they can’t look at Maryland. Maryland is a one Oh. Merrill is a world class institution, right? It’s been there 150 years, educate people make doctors you make lawyers you make, you know, we make football players, we make basketball play, like all of that the billions of dollars that flow around from tax dollars and education. They can’t compete with Michigan or Ohio State of football or Penn State. And they will be trying that forever, even though they have a billion they don’t have a billion in one. And if they get to two billions of the Michigan on three, but you know, like, that’s the way this is. And the haves and have nots are separate used to be haves and have nots separated by cheating, right? How is Maryland ever going to put a football team on the field that competes with Michigan or Ohio State or Alabama or those places? How’s it going to happen?

Bill Cole  34:02

And to that end, it does not appear that the NCAA cares How’s Rutgers going to do but they don’t care, right? Like none other than the Washington generals playing the Globetrotters is what I mean, none of the rules. There aren’t any rules in an attempt to level the playing field.

Nestor J. Aparicio  34:21

Right. So there’s no strategy there’s no referee. Right. And there’s no judge. Right? Right. And there’s no oversight.


Bill Cole  34:29

No Limits speaking whose limits trying

Nestor J. Aparicio  34:32

to get rid of the Maryland stadium authority and we’re tick talking so letting the next time we get together January? Yeah,

Bill Cole  34:37

I don’t want to talk about that right now. You don’t at all? No, no, I do.

Nestor J. Aparicio  34:40


I was gonna I like I just want to

Bill Cole  34:42

like your updates. i It lets me not have to follow it right as closely as I would otherwise. So I do like hearing about it. I don’t know how it ends. I have not allowed myself to think about it long enough. But my biggest fear is that the Maryland legislature make some decisions that everybody’s not gonna like a whole lot. And then I think we are in jeopardy. And it could get very, very interesting. Remember the bass remember that what right but one point the $1.2 billion came from a bill, you know that they got passed so quietly, right. So if you pass a bill to give us, you pass a bill to taketh away, right. So if you really want to misbehave I mean, that that that has to be a concern that’s on the table.

Nestor J. Aparicio  35:31

Good. I like you know, legislators playing hardball. I mean, that’s what they should be

Bill Cole  35:36

made. Right? Maybe I don’t know what other billionaire would come


Nestor J. Aparicio  35:39

in and say 600 million is not enough today. Right? Under armored love that money, right. I mean, McCormack, I love that money. Black and Decker, right. You know.

Bill Cole  35:49

It’s disappointing. It’s frustrating. sort of interesting.

Nestor J. Aparicio  35:53

But much like Florida State being left out. It’s what we expect from sports. I’ve been doing this 32 years, I began by saying my father who passed away 30 years ago, his whole thing about sports, was all of those life lessons of teaching, fairness, integrity, competition, you know, shaking hands at the end, playing by the rules, penalty when you break the rules, right? Like all of that teamwork, sacrifice, like all of that we teach. It’s not really about any of that anymore, which is one of the reasons I’m not as attractive as I once was

Bill Cole  36:28


capitalism. Okay, when you make it about money, you are going to have people who work really hard to find loopholes, push the limits play in the edges, because it’s about

Nestor J. Aparicio  36:40

but that’s why we have laws in the country to put people in jail when they’re Bernie Madoff, right, like, right.

Bill Cole  36:46

Yeah, but I don’t like deflating the football. Right. That’s a that’s not a jailable offense. Right. Other than if, like, I think the gamblers might think that’s a jailable offense. Right. So so the closer that gets to it, the more

Nestor J. Aparicio  37:05

will you and I did an hour on officiating last. Yeah, we get on that. No calls here. We’re at State Fair. He doesn’t want to talk anymore about leases. He wants to talk about peppermint payouts, and gingerbread cookies, and Christmas trees. And just really cheers to Evan out here, not just running all these great places and kittens. He’s been under the weather, but it’s Holy Spirit in here. You know, he’s taking Kurt Cobain off the wall, and I got Joan Jett, off the wall, they’ve wrapped all of the paintings in these fantastic Christmas wrap


Bill Cole  37:34

actually going to take the other side of that argument. Like I get it. I appreciate the festiveness of it. But the pictures are one of my favorite things about the place like I bring my kids in here and we have a quiz.

Nestor J. Aparicio  37:44

Back in three weeks. We

Bill Cole  37:45

have quiz time.

Nestor J. Aparicio  37:46


Who’s that Biggie Smalls. That is that remember

Bill Cole  37:49

that? Yeah, that’s fun. It’s always fun game. Sure. All right.

Nestor J. Aparicio  37:53

Well, you got anything else you will talk about solar roofs. We’ll talk about getting a good snowstorm. So you roofer types can stay in business? Yeah, no, I mean, we’re gonna get some snow right at some

Bill Cole  38:01

point. That’s what they say. But like I told him, and I’m not sure who they are. So I don’t really know how that works. You know, just blessed and grateful. Another really good year, feel like our world is moving the ball forward. Like, we seem to be finding ways to overcome challenges. See, for


Nestor J. Aparicio  38:23

me, the things that are getting worse, I’m finding other things that are getting better, right, I’m finding other things that I can enjoy about life.

Bill Cole  38:30

And from a really high vantage point, it looks like we may have been distracted by things that weren’t always the most important thing and now we’ve been told to look and pay attention to other stuff and that stuff might be more useful for us to look and work on.

Nestor J. Aparicio  38:46

I’m going to give you a Maryland lottery ticket here it’s because I love you bill coal from coal roofing I’m going to give you and I’m going to give you the purple Oh snap. It’s it’s scented like gingerbread if you do it so just you could smell it on your own because I’m not touching anything you’re touching because very Doesn’t that make you want cookies and smells now that peppermint ones have been compromised because they’ve been next to the OH snaps. And John Martin warned me that if I push one against the other the peppermint would would would be the the non Well no, no, really? No the gingerbreads the overwhelming overwhelming. It smells a little bit like when you went the Inner Harbor did in the 80s when I was a boy at the McCormick plant it would smell like cinnamon.

Bill Cole  39:25


You’re being generously nice.

Nestor J. Aparicio  39:27

You don’t think the Inner Harbor smell like cinnamon? Some mornings did

Bill Cole  39:30

it did a lot. Of course some very good. I can’t imagine there was a day when the Inner Harbor smelled this good. Well, we’re sniffing

Nestor J. Aparicio  39:38

lottery tickets out here. It’s what we do. That’s all brought to you by the Maryland lottery our friends at window nation 866 90 nation you buy two you get two free 0% financing through the holidays for five years. And that Dennis was going to be overused over Coons, Baltimore for letter Rask and we’re supposed to be here. We’re gonna get him next week. We’re gonna get him up at the foreign daughter and then Evan, we gotta get him better. We’re out of stay. Fair they do such a great job out here. This is the original location. You couldn’t believe this was a friendlies right? This was a friendlies for a generation. Yeah,


Bill Cole  40:09

I did not know that. I did not know that. Love

Nestor J. Aparicio  40:11

fribble Sir, I

Bill Cole  40:12

can’t even I can’t even really envision the friendlies in this space right. This was a

Nestor J. Aparicio  40:17

friendly. So we got this we have El Guapo across the street, the basement underneath where you can play simulated golf. Have a good time with the game’s Real Sports Bar in a basement near Gainesville? Great great not just Mexican food upstairs but all sorts of Latin American food. Then Beaumont, which is my wife’s favorite place where we get the big old pork chop get a big steak. I love the love the brussel sprouts or they have a great salad with this. They have this candied bacon that they put on the salad and vinegar breads delicious. And they do a fried lobster tail there that they only do there. That’s a chicken fried lobster tail. This is over Beaumont. Why am I doing the show? It’s a fair again. Why Why am I not? I

Bill Cole  40:54

don’t know. I yeah, I had the Beaumont couple months ago and it was dying. You

Nestor J. Aparicio  40:58

know I’m doing it here because I came over today and I surprised everyone. Always the shrimp and grits guy, usually a chicken waffles guy, sometimes a crab Benedict TierPoint have had a lot of crab cake last week. Thanks to Coco’s. And thanks to Pappas, and thanks to Costas, and thanks to gertrudes and thanks to the Hollywood casinos, which was a great crabcake as well. But I had just a Western omelet here today and, and home fries. Great. The home fries were a 10 the omelet was a 9.8. Delicious, so I’m all about it the holidays, state fair, good stuff, come on out to Gainesville, and tell me what you do in the roofing business. And

Bill Cole  41:39

so we try and fix commercial roofs. And then if appropriate, we’ll put solar on top of those same roofs or other roofs or the ground or parking garages. Really just trying to be the trusted phone call when something happens on your roof. That’s weird. Or if you want to try and get ahead of that and think about your roof before something bad happens. Like we love all your


Nestor J. Aparicio  42:04

cars came out to me last spring and they’re like, it’s getting to be time is what they told me. And I think I still owe you money from the gutter project you did for me. You say it’s getting to be time this is when it’s a tough talk, right? Like I have a massive project that the radio station that’s going to cost me about 20 grand, right? You know what I mean? It’s a it’s a, it’s a, it’s something that has to be done. I’d like to talk about it in gross terms on the air, but there’s something that has to be it’s not septic, something has to be done, right? So this is a $20,000 project that Jr’s like, I might be able to get it done for 10 or 12. And I’m like, now then I’m gonna come to you and say, All right, dude, sent me square on this. What’s this really good, you know? And it’s and I’m gonna think, well, it’s a roof, it’s probably what 510 grand and you’re gonna say it’s 28 grand, right? Or you’re, you’re gonna give me some number that I’m gonna think 1985 pricing about this. And I am the candidate you’re talking to Bill, I have a roof. You know, your guys had been up there and told me it’s been three decades, dude, it’s getting to be time you’re gonna need to do something here. And I don’t want to hear it as a human. I don’t want to hear Jr. Telling me this other $20,000 project. Although if the tower fell, that wouldn’t be good. So you know, there are fundamental things like when septic goes bad, you can’t see it. You can smell it, but you got to fix it. No. I don’t want to do a roof.

Bill Cole  43:27

Nobody. Nobody likes it. Like I understand that’s that is my fate.

Nestor J. Aparicio  43:38

To get a lot of lottery tickets and state fairs very popular.

Bill Cole  43:41


Yes. Everybody’s filling in here. Yes, good stuff.

Nestor J. Aparicio  43:44

Now, yeah, you mean you’re gonna give me a number is that is that the way you’re, you and I are going to, you’re gonna come over and say look, you can go a B or C you should do C because C is gonna be good for the next 2020 years or whatever your thing’s gonna be. And you’re gonna give me a number and then I’m gonna have to like bite hard on my budget, my business budget next year and say 28 grand goal and rental you know, whatever that number is right off the bat because I’m already dealing with that next year as a business owner like literally and if you have a little surplus pay for it this year right for the tax man whatever, but this is a time of the year like your like worse than a car your worst because I don’t even see the roof right? Like if I gotta buy a new car, I’m like new house, new washer and dryer, man roof doesn’t have any function although it is the function. I know I had a basement flooding problem, you know about this couple of years ago, right? It’s like, there’s no upside to all this money on pissing away. But when the basement happens, it’s a flood and it’s an it’s a mess. Same thing with the roof but this preventative notion that you have told me Do you need to get a roof and then you need to budget it. That’s probably the toughest part of your job is getting me to like realize my tower is going to fall unless I put this money at it. I got to do it this year, you got to bite the bullet as you say, right? It

Bill Cole  45:04

is, but But what we believe strongly is that if we can have some of those conversations before it’s really time to do it, then there are steps that you can take to, you know, make it last longer. So, in your life, if you’re a lifecycle buyer, right, like building is going to be there forever, and you do proactive maintenance, so that you have to replace it every 30 years instead of every 20. Well, you know, that means that you’re saving money in 90 instead of 40 and 60. So twice instead of three times and 60 years, I mean that for our clients, for institutional buyers for schools and

Nestor J. Aparicio  45:46

come back to my place and lay about 10 solar panels and price that out for me and let me know how that’s gonna save me some dough because that might pay for the roof itself. I don’t know if put the roof the panels on my roof or not because I got land. But like I, I am at the point now where like, you have told me he sat here before we went on the air. And he’s like, Well, we had 12 inches of snow on a Friday, and it melted on a Saturday and by Sunday, you’d really be screwed. You’d be the guy that has to get the whole new roof because I’m already getting there and you’ve warned me that if I get it done ahead of time I won’t have water coming in falling off in the middle of my


Bill Cole  46:25

Well you definitely stuff would prefer to do it before it starts damaging we’ve already

Nestor J. Aparicio  46:30

saw because nasty storm, it goes the wrong way on a Saturday night with a photo snow right will really screw me up and you’ll be backlogged right at that point. Right. So I’m, I’m speaking for you and I get it. No, I totally get it. I know that I need you. I’m sitting next to you. It’s still gonna make you go the other direction and say, Call me when the whole roof caves in because that’s the way people are.

Bill Cole  46:54

Yeah, it’s maintenance of your asset, right? Like you’re building your house, whatever their assets that you’ve invested in them. You have to think about how much you’re willing to be proactive, to prevent rusted

Nestor J. Aparicio  47:09


are holding the cables up to my tower right now and thinking, yeah, better fix that. Right. Can’t see it can’t eat it can’t enjoy. It can’t lay on the beach. Can’t get any pleasure out of it at all. But it has to be done. Right. Remind me to call my septic I don’t

Bill Cole  47:23

know how we justify that in our brains. That is a challenge we all have. Right? I

Nestor J. Aparicio  47:27

know. All right. It’s like buying insurance cars are way more it’s like Atlanta Rascon. for that. I call them say how much insurance do I really need? Right? I mean, Bilco was here, he will insure your roof. And as well, it’s safely and well done. If you’re a commercial space, as well as solar. He’s also my pal he’s also somebody I shouldn’t be touching or coming near at this point. Even though he says it’s a sinus infection are friends of the Maryland lottery giving me these to give away we’re going to be at the foreign Doctor next Friday the 15th. We’re going to be wise markets the week after I’m still working on the time there. Maybe I’ll get Dennis out and Leonard out for that. And then we’re going to be at a fade list and wrap up the year. And I’ll be eating crab cakes to end the year. And lots folks coming out this week to enjoy Dan Rodricks in our show. Baltimore you have no idea big thanks to everybody here at State Fair for treating us right. Kirby has been great to let us in this morning. Tamizh make sure my coffee is delicious. And Evans under the weather Keith Get on out here eat Zippy from them. Get over to El Guapo hit the base Minot State Fair. Enjoy all the Christmas decorations. They do not I found this out. There’s only one Mariah Carey song in the whole playlist. That alone makes it a place you want to visit. I am Nestor. We are wn st signing off from State Fair in Catonsville. On behalf of Bill Cole. We are wn st am 1570, Towson Baltimore. We never stop talking Baltimore positive

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